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IMPORTANT NOTICE to would-be harassers

An admin has stated the following for the record:

"Misplaced Pages doesn't need any new volunteers for the job of harassing User:Baseball Bugs at this time."

But if anything turns up, we'll get back to you. 0:)

Regarding your comment

As an aside to this, actually the dynamic could yield opposite results for two reasons:

1. An editor who is sufficiently insulated (in terms of wiki-dynamics) may be widely hated for good reason, but few speak up because the others fear retaliation and/or anticipate that the attempt would be futile.
2. An editor who does good work across a range of difficult subjects, and blows the whistle effectively and correctly, will eventually accumulate a large number of enemies who form a political alliance to take him or her down.

Just sayin'. Durova 20:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Wow! IP 173.88.160.231 was blocked @ 15:45, May 14, 2009; thanks, it's nice to know someone is paying attention.JeanColumbia (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you watch

Recent changes? Just wondering?--Jakezing (Your King) (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Just Wondering. I watch edits by new account,s much easier to manage, leave the bots to recent changes, --Jakezing (Your King) (talk) 21:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Your Revert

Consensus says no on what?68.148.149.184 (talk) 04:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Read the previous edit summary. Baseball Bugs carrots 04:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you understand you took off a template for outside opinion? What are you trying to do? I am clearly trying to get contribution from outside of the subcommunity. Why did you take off the tag? Do you know what you did? I am readding the tag, because I think you might have reverted the REQUEST for COMMENT (yes, that is literally what I am trying to get) by mistake.68.148.149.184 (talk) 04:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Lulz at da troll. Hey Bugs, did you notice they've taken Looney Tunes of the air completely? :(. Any idea where they can be found? Soxwon (talk) 04:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Please don't act like a child.68.148.149.184 (talk) 04:28, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Chill, bro. Baseball Bugs carrots 04:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What?! This is an outrage. It's sab-oh-TAY-gee, I tell ya! Oh, well, at least we have our DVD's to fall back on. Baseball Bugs carrots 04:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I need to get me some, they've taken'em off Boomerang. Soxwon (talk) 04:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, if they were on Boomerang, they ought to come back. Baseball Bugs carrots 04:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but who wants Bugs with an Aussie accent, I much prefer the Brooklyn one. Soxwon (talk) 04:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair dinkum, Doc. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 04:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah say, ah say, that's a very poor quality pun you got there boy, very poor quality. Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 11:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

LMAO

Romper Room? Romper Room? Still picking myself off the floor. :) You didn't mention the mirror, "I see Janey and I see Charlie and I see Annie...". LOL I grew up in Canada, Romper Room was always a let-down after The Friendly Giant and Mr. Dressup. Thanks for the laugh, I spotted the "Do-Bee" reference even without the link. :) Franamax (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I made somebody laugh, anyway. I think the original target audience was too young to know the reference. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 00:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Latest Buzz: The Do-Bee brothers hung out with the Don't-Bees in Bugs' Ark-Hives (until Bugs "borrowed" Elmer Fudd's shotgun for cleanup and troll abatement. They had apparently run a-fowl of some bugsy associates, such as Foghorn Leghorn and a c-c-c-c-certain duck, who proceeded to commence a noisy, disruptive edit war. Miss was not pleased.) —— Shakescene (talk) 00:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Errgghhh

Does this passage suggest media bias to you?:

In 2008 George W. Bush's press secretary Scott McClellan published a book in which he confessed to regularly and routinely lying to the media, and describes the contempt he felt for reporters who reported his lies instead of telling the truth, because they were cowed by the fear of an accusation of "liberal bias".

Soxwon (talk) 00:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Depends on the article you're citing it for. Baseball Bugs carrots 00:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I said it was not an example of conservative bias in the media: here.

Rick Norwood has argued:

If a politician lies, that is evidence that a politician lied. If a politician lies to the media in an attempt to bias their reporting, and the media prints those lies, then that is media bias. I trust you see the difference. Similarly, if person who controls several major media outlets contributes large sums of money to the Republican party, that certainly tends to support claims that his media outlets have Republican bias. It isn't evidence in itself, but when combined with many examples in which those media outlets distort the news to support Republican candidates, it is corroborating evidence. Your paragraph above seems to suggest that the only source of media bias is reporters supporting their own worldview, but the article already lists several other sources of media bias, including the profit motive.

To which I replied:

So does Ms. Pelosi's ill-fated remarks about Waterboarding constitute liberal bias (i.e. she was lying to the media in attempt to biased the reporting). Or do any other politician's lies to the media in attempt bias what information is reported constitute media bias? Media bias is a conscious effort on the part of the media to bias the information, NOT an attempt by politicians to control information by reporting misleading information. You're not drawing a distinction between a media reporting facts in a slanted manner, and politicians or other outside groups controlling the information being offered.

All this is taking place at Media bias in the United States. Soxwon (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

You've got it right. If a politician says something and the papers report it, that's not media bias by itself. It could suggest a lack of due diligence, but I don't think that's the same thing as outright bias. That quote from McLellan implies that his distortions were reported by the media in an effort to make themselves look good. I wonder what evidence he has of that claim? Maybe they just reported what he said because he's the White House spokesman. He sounds like a line from Animal House: "Hey, you F'd up - you trusted us!" Baseball Bugs carrots 00:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, for a second I was wondering if I was turning into a right-wing blowhard, lol. Soxwon (talk) 00:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Trolling

Waah! You big baby. You can't take care of problems yourself so you report me on ANI. I have nothing against you, I am a patroller of vandalism and I revert all stupid edits I see. It's nothing personal and it will include others too. So don't be such a baby and next time treat a new user with a little respect. Have a good one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fondesep (talk • contribs) 00:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Indef'd. Thanks for giving me some new material for my troll-phy case. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 00:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if somewhere, there's a secret organization of shitheads who compare notes and wear their enshrinement on your page as a crown. They email each other saying things like "I survived a whole twelve minutes before I was banned for life." Dayewalker (talk) 00:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Could be. Although it could be a club with just one member. This guy actually lasted 36 minutes (total 1:05 before having his talk page blocked), although it seemed longer. This is another advantage in not being an admin. "Hey, Dude, I harassed that BB guy for 36 minutes before I got blocked!" "Awesome, Dude! You harassed an admin for 36 minutes!" "Well, uh, he's not actually an admin. He's just some guy. I don't want to harass an actual admin. I might get in trouble!" And check out this edit following FisherQueen's inspired comment: Ain't it just great? Baseball Bugs carrots 01:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

"Transients welcome". Seriously? Perhaps if you focused more on articles, and less on the drama at the noticeboards and on taunting would be harassers, you wouldn't have these problems. AniMate 01:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

That line is taken from the signboard of the cheap hotel in downtown Chicago that the Blues Brothers were staying at before Carrie Fisher blew up the building. An obscure reference, to be sure. But it is also another way to say what I have said elsewhere, that anyone is welcome to post here as long as it's a fair and pretty much G-rated post (or PG-13.5 at worst). I don't tell users not to post on my page. Regarding ANI, I have scaled back my activities there, but I continue to defend articles on my watch list. But you're right, I should focus more on project work. Baseball Bugs carrots 01:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I should also point out that by the time I made the "redlink" comment at 23:59, he had already reverted 6 of my recent edits, 3 of which he had labeled as "vandalism", so it was he who started this brouhaha. Occasional harassment is just a cost of doing business here. Belligerent users don't like getting blocked, and they blame whoever it was that turned them in, rather than looking inward and realizing that they did it to themselves. Baseball Bugs carrots 01:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you may have missed this

I attempted to close the discussion, and was reverted. Xeno promptly marked it resolved, same reason as my attempt to close. It is the wrong venue for either complaint, so I will not be responding there further, and suggest you do the same. Hope this clears up any confusion! KillerChihuahua 15:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Btw Baseball Bugs, just to clarify, it was I who unarchived it. ;) Just to recap, I tried to point out that there was no attacks to the filing party, but seeing there was still a possible issue regarding a more minor aspect on standard of commentary based on a couple of the diffs he provided on my request, I suggested both sides resolve their differences personally. This was so that the content issues could be addressed and we could all move on. But as I noted there, that didn't quite work out as planned. Still, given that the incivility in the thread by Drew Smith was directed at (and imo, in some ways brought on by) KillerChihuahua, I didn't think it was right for him to close the thread, particularly when the filing party had an issue with it. So I unarchived with a request that an uninvolved party close it, after which Xeno did just that and moved their short discourse to the bottom of the thread. The end. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I had missed the archiving/unarchiving part. The complainant is apparently still not getting the point. Sometimes, even when you hit a smart mule with a 2 by 4, it does not get his attention. (And I don't disagree that I am that mule, sometimes - see below.) Baseball Bugs carrots 16:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI, Cubs, etc.

This is my second urging of you to spend far less time at ANI. –xeno 15:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

If your complaint about my ANI activities is that it will hurt my chances for adminship, it doesn't matter, as I am even less interested in adminship now than I was before I was nominated for it. I stick with wikipedia because I think it has value, and that's why I defend it. If that seems like "drama" sometimes, it can't be helped. There are a lot bigger drama queens than I on this site. Baseball Bugs carrots 15:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it has nothing to do with a potential RFA (though you have effectively torpedoed your chance at that venue). My urging is because you often make off-the-cuff comments that are unhelpful and seem to come from a less-than-complete understanding of the situation at hand. –xeno 15:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, as I spend more time here, I've learned that the talk pages (of which ANI is effectively one) are the places to get things done, rather than edit warring. Would you prefer I go back to edit warring? I think not. Baseball Bugs carrots

No, not at all. Perhaps consider taking ANI off your watchlist when there are no incidents that involve you. That is what I do. –xeno 15:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I keep hearing from various editors, "Tut-tut, you'll hurt your chances for adminship!" as if that mattered to me. The more I see of how admins become targets, both internally and externally, the less interested I become in the job. So that kind of chiding is like water off a duck's back. I am a much more effective vandal-hunter by staying a plain old non-admin user. If an admin blocks a user, he might be chided for being "involved". If I simply turn a vandal in, then an admin makes the block or no-block decision, and that's how it should be. The opposers didn't realize they were actually doing me a favor, as adminship puts too many restrictions on. Regarding "drama", my approach is to raise questions that I think need to be considered - and sometimes to nudge editors into revealing themselves more fully. You call that "drama", I call it "bringing them out". As far as the Noah's Ark thing, maybe you're unaware that I was in on that discussion some months back, so it is not unfamiliar ground (or water). I happen to agree that "mythology" is total POV-pushing on the part of the editors. But as I tried to get the complainant to see, there is no winning this particular battle. He can take it to WQA and get plaxicoed, or he can take it to RFC, where it will go nowhere. Baseball Bugs carrots 15:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, none of my business, and I sympathise with your reasoning about Adminship, but sometimes less is more, as the cliche goes. Dougweller (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Who says it's none of your business? And do I push too hard sometimes? Apparently so. It's my nature in general. But if I push hard enough, I usually, eventually, get an honest response. If that's "drama", so be it. Baseball Bugs carrots 16:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that adminship would hurt your career as a gadabout. That career seems useful to me; there's value in annoying some people, it's fun to watch, and you're impervious to the resultant slings and arrows. Keep it up. PhGustaf (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll do my best. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 19:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, the adminship issue is really peripheral here. My primary concern is that it seems you tend to spread yourself too thin over the various ANI threads such that your input may at times generates more heat than light. –xeno 16:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't always get it right. But I often do. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 19:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

On the other hand, if one feels one has valid input, one ought to present it "without fear or favor." Collect (talk) 17:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

And although I can't cite data to back it up, since the RfA I think I have scaled back my overall activity at ANI, in the sense that I used to get involved in more of the discussions than I do now. And it may surprise y'all to know that my main activity is not ANI, but in watching quite a few pages that I think are worth defending. That, unfortunately, is a consequence of an encyclopedia that any idiot (me included) can edit. Baseball Bugs carrots 19:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, WP is going through its annual seasonal slump right now ... if you look at all the stats available. Collect (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a corrolation could be drawn between wikipedia's annual slump and the Chicago Cubs' annual slump. Although that might be a cruel comparison. :( However, I have noticed that it's taking the admins a tad longer to respond in recent times, than earlier. Maybe they have other things to do; like, maybe, going outdoors. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 20:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not exactly right to call a hundred-year drought an "annual slump". Do we break out the Steve Goodman music yet? PhGustaf (talk) 20:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey - As George Will pointed out about the Cubs, anyone can have a bad century. I have a concern, though, that the Cubs will continue to fail as long as Stevie remains dead. Baseball Bugs carrots 20:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Some things are just doomed to not change. Today the NYT covered this remarkable Cubs loss of thirty years ago. PhGustaf (talk) 22:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

That was one amazing game. Here are retrosheet box scores for three high-scoring Cubs-Phillies games at Wrigley. Schmidt was a killer in the two from the 70s. The 1976 game featured 4 HR's by Schmidt, and tied the record for largest comeback. Had the Phils come back and won in 1922, which they came close to doing, that would have been the record:

Aug 25, 1922

Apr 17, 1976

May 17, 1979

Baseball Bugs carrots 22:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hey Baseball Bugs. I just want you to know that I fully support you in your quest. I'm behind you 100 percent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Horneldinkrag (talk • contribs) 14:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiLove, kind of like the "good game" butt-slap in baseball.

Our Cheerios exchange, while founded on a basic content disagreement, has been entertaining and cordial. Wikiwikikid (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Baseball Bugs, Wikiwikikid has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

It's hard to get into a heated argument when the subject is "Cheerio!" :) Baseball Bugs carrots 22:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Plaxico alert

Misplaced Pages:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#Public reactions to death of Rachel Corrie - in the works. Man, I wish that term had any notability to it ;) MuZemike 19:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Hey, I wanna tell ya, I am the king of all things non-notable. Otherwise called "trivia". :) Baseball Bugs carrots 19:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

How old is Bugs?

See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Ages? for discussion ;-) LeadSongDog come howl 20:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I have on good authority Bugs was the kid Babe Ruth visited in the hospital. Dayewalker (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

My Future Plans

I have some news for my friends (and enemies?). I am leaving Misplaced Pages (this time for real) at the end of June 2009. I have gotten tired of the daily grind, and of the other combative editors. I will use the remaining time to catch up on projects that I wish to complete at Misplaced Pages. Now you can all get out the crying towels!! (User talk: Baseball Bugs 21:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Courtesy of Sports Desks --Sports Desks (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Courtesy of Soccer News --Soccer News (talk) 21:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You're a really rude and abusive user baseball bugs. You should be ashamed

1. Scott McClellan, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception, PublicAffairs, 2008, ISBN 978-1586485566.