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His heritage

Please check Arash's own website: http://www.arash.se, under biography. It says he is of "Persian" heritage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddd0dd (talk • contribs) 01:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC) Also I'm gonna translate parts of his song, Iran Iran: "...I'm an Aryan child....Cyrus the great is the king...legendary Arash is an Iranian... I'd die for 2500 years history and culture of my country...". LOL if he is not Persian then I don't know who is!--Ddd0dd (talk) 01:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Iranian vs. Swedish

This should be in the Iranian Artists section not Sewedish

- Sassan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.119.185 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 4 April 2006

If a foreigner in Sweden becomes famous, the Swedes will claim him. Otherwise, foreigners will remain foreigners. --Candide, or Optimism 21:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Amusing. So much prejudice and ignorance in the discussion section. Arash is not a foreigner to Sweden and having that mentality says more about you than it does about "views of Swedes". He did not migrate to Sweden as an adult. He migrated to Sweden as a child, thereby making him partly Swedish. I'd attempt changing his nationality to Iranian-Swedish yet I know it will only be changed back. --Lilyserbia (talk) 10:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL

He won gold? on Top charts? you sure? --Spahbod 16:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that this should be merged with the other article because it is the same persoN!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.48.137 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 14 September 2006

Fair use rationale for Image:Arash pub.jpg

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You might want to use Image:Arash Labaf.JPG instead. --LA2 (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality

This article sounds like it comes directly from material produced by a promotion agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.96.182.84 (talk) 08:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I have tried very much to improve on the obvious neutrality issues and corrected a lot of the text and its language to make it a more neutral presentation. Hope the neutrality issue can be reconsidered after my further edits on this. werldwayd (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Temptation and Alabina

As an old fan of Alabina I immediately recognised the Arash+Rebecca song "Temptation" the first time I heard it. It seems to partially be a cover of the song "Baila Maria" on Alabina's album named "Alabina" from 1996. The song is also in the end of the "Alabina Megamix" on the Alabina album "The Album II" from 1998.

But I am not complaining, Arash and Rebecca have done a very nice job of it, I like both their and Alabina's version of the song.

--David Göthberg (talk) 00:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Nationality, ethnicity, roots?

I think people who have editted this article made some mistakes about the origin of Arash. He is not Iranian in fact, he was born in Tehran but he is Iranian Azerbaijani (Azeri) or simple Azeri. Azeri and Iranian are not the same things, because they are two different nationalities of different origin. However, most Azeris are living in Iran (about 20-25 mln people), and Azerbaijani people are the second largest ethnic group in Iran after Iranians (or Persians to be specific). It is correct to write Iranian in terms of belonging appurtenant or related to Iran but if the goal is to specify nationality it will be correct to write Azerbaijani or Azeri in extremis Iranian Azeri. Giovanni Paradise (talk) 06:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC) Giovanni

Sorry your comments were so weak that I did not like to answer to it first. Azeri is an ethnicity and Iranian is a nationality. Az Azeri can be Iranian and an Azeri is most of the time Iranians. About Arash: It is not important where in Iran he is from. But in this case his mother is from Shiraz and his father from Esfahan.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 22:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I have reported you to the admin for your inflammatory comments as you need to become familiar with Arbcomm I and II, which should restrict exactly your types. . As per Arash, he says here: "He says he chooses to sing in his native language because of his deep attachment to Iran and Persian culture."". So I think that should be sufficient to respond to your inflammatory comments. In Misplaced Pages we work with valid sources. Parishan provided one although it seems that the source got its information perhaps from another media. Anyhow these sources seem contradictory so I added and/or. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 16:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I would check his own website also: ](music impresario of Persian Heritage). Many of these news sources can get the wrong information from one bad source and then repeat it. This occurred during the Anoosheh Ansari story as well, when some medias printed wrong information (I am not saying this is the case but it should be double checked). --Nepaheshgar (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

People who are putting in that Arash is Azerbaijani are using sources that say nothing of the sort. None of the sources that these editors are using support their claim. Infact, the source from Radio Free Europe said the opposite. I dont really care what Arash is, but seriously, I just can't stand when people just want to come and take advantage of Misplaced Pages to spread misinformation just because anyone can edit it. And Arash has done songs songs in many languages, he is a very talented artist, but that doesnt say anything about his ethnic background (is Arash Russian?). The article clearly states:

"He says he chooses to sing in his native language because of his deep attachment to Iran and Persian culture. But he says he deliberately writes lyrics that are easy to pronounce, so that people can sing along regardless of whether they speak Persian."

"Platinum-selling singer and producer ARASH stakes his claim as one of the biggest pop music sensations to originate from Sweden, home to such pop pioneers as Abba and Ace of Base. But, it's the distinction of being the only music impresario of PERSIAN heritage whose success has translated into the Western and European mainstream music market that makes his story one for the history books." On his official webpage and myspace. I think that's a reliable source. --Lilyserbia (talk) 06:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Poeple he is NOT Azerbaijani, he is Iranian. That is his nationality. He had said over and over again that Persian is his "MOTHER LANGUAGE". Please do not put your wishful thinking in the article ok?? ok!--74.12.105.44 (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is is nationality and he has Azerbaijani roots, these are two different things, why is this such a problem? The official Eurovision biography of Arash even says so, I added it as a source.Baku87 (talk) 14:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

"roots" are not added to the opening of pages, he is not an Azerbaijani national, everyone has African roots too, so what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arashfans (talk • contribs) 23:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Descent, origins, roots whatever you wanna call it, is always mentioned, just take a look at the article of Rebecca Zadig (duet singer of Arash) it clearly says in the first rule of Mexican descent. Baku87 (talk) 17:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

The ultimate authority is the interview and his website which were provided , His Bibliography on the official site: The only music impresario of Persian heritage. Most Iranian people have different roots with Azeris, etc in their backgrounds, Arash is not an exception and wikipedia is not for listing the genealogy of people. There is a proposed project that you would be able to use latter :Wikipeople--Raayen (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This is regrettable. Iranians in Europe were supporting Aysel and Arash, look what some people wrote: : After initial complaint made by BayBak against the selecting of mentioned song to represent Azerbaijani in “Eurovision 2009”, many Azerbaijani groups have joined in and are condemning that choice by Northern Azerbaijani officials. BayBak also have informed ITV, which is one of the main sponsors of the event, but unfortunately have not received any reply.--Raayen (talk) 00:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion it was mostly because of Arash - Azerbaijan managed to get 3rd place and I had hoped this would ease tensions between the two nationalities, I guess people will always find something to complain. Anyways back to the topic, I think its only logical to add both Persian aswell as Azeri origins to this article based upon the countless of biographies and interviews with Arash. Baku87 (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Another point, this aritlce should be named Arash Labbaf, since that is his full name. Baku87 (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

well there are not two nationalities. Arash might have an ethnicity but his nationality is Iranian. WArash has himself said that his mother is Shirazi and his father is Esfahani. This makes him an Ethnic Fars. But I do not exclude that like most Iranians he is of mixed origins and hshas Azeri, Kurdish, Gilaki etc... roots too. what I suggets is to formulate this as follows: " Though he stated his roots are from Shiraz and Esfahan from maternal and paternal sides respectively, he is likely to be of mixed orifins, like most Iranians and reportedly has some Iranian Azerbaijani roots>: Then link it to Iranian Azerbaijani. But the info that his father and mother are from Esfahan and Shiraz should be there. The fact that he helped republic of Azerbaijan had not anything to do with ethnicty. All Iranians like republic of Azerbaijan and supported Arash and Aysel. All except the Panturkists such as Bay Bak and other extremists. Any way I agree with you that it is Labbf with two Bs and not one. I corrected it once but someone has changed it again.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Some talks about ethnycities are irrational. As I said, most Iranians have different backgrounds. I can say all of them. For many of them backgrounds have been lost. Only the language has remained and other factors of ethnicity are lacking to a great extent and are vague. Clear cut way of thinking is the human tendency to label things for simplicity (sluggish mind), but the world is not simple. Ethno-engineering is also the other interfering factor in the contemporary time: Colonialism and Stalinist consolidation of socialist nations have found their ways to the content of curriculums of academic institutions, sarcastically showing themselves as the truth to people while even ethnologists know that the ethnicity is more or less misty. Now I don't understand why some of us are so eager to make it sharp! Of course the history shows who has been what to some extent and how changes occurred. BTW "Fars" is not an English word (this is an English Misplaced Pages) and Persian-speakers of Iran don't call themselves neither "Fars" nor "Persian" or any other thing. The only thing that they identify themselves of is "Iran". "Persian" in English have a more wider range of meanings and it is not exclusive to "Persian-speakers". I propose to only mention that he is from "Iran" and "Sweden", the countries. The present opening (me myself had a hand on it) is childish. Misplaced Pages don't deserve that.--Raayen (talk) 16:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--Raayen (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Raayen the problem is , I think, understanding of ethnicity in Iran is different than that in the Republic of Azerbaijan and Armenia. In Iran it is a cultural concept but in the Republic of Azerbaijan and Armenia it is a static concept and very political. You are either this or that etc.... It is the legacy of Stalins policy.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 16:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we can make a compremize like: Though he stated his roots are from Shiraz and Esfahan from maternal and paternal sides respectively, he is likely to be of mixed origins of Persian and Azeri, like most Iranians. - Then link it to both Persian and Azerbaijani people articles. Baku87 (talk) 13:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes something like that works well--Babakexorramdin (talk) 17:43, 18

May 2009 (UTC)

that sucks. The word Azeri mut be mentioned.

Russian Misplaced Pages

• Please also pursue the article and its talk page on Russian Misplaced Pages.--Raayen (talk) 00:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

• @ Goldorack

"his numerous declarations as well as Eurovision website specifying his Azeri roots are very authoritative, hence his mixed Perso-Azeri heritage should be reflected properly as it is in this version." His great grandfather was Azeri. This is Misplaced Pages not Wikipeople. This source is dubious. In YouTube, Arash himself doesn't say about it. This source is just there to push. There is nothing about Azeri root there. Overall, we know that his great grandfather was Azeri. Who was the great grand mother of Newton?! Do you see it on his article and especially on its lead. Please use eventual Wikipeople for these roots.--Raayen (talk) 19:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

• : "Arash will be in Eurovision 2009, as the first Persian ever !!" 7 sources were provided for "Azeri root", that is for proving a Half Truth, or may I say "one eighth" truth: i.e. great grandfather. I am talking Stalinistic or Darwinistic by th way. :-) Don't get me wrong, I am fine with the present version. I would just like to mention that the lead is not a lead of Misplaced Pages.--Raayen (talk) 21:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Raayen, the fact that you agree and cite the same evidence of Arash's roots being also ethnically Azeri, shows that it should be reflected in the page, as it's not an obscure or debatable information, but a valid fact. Secondly, it's extremely important insofar as explaining why of all available entertainers Azerbaijan choose Arash, and why Arash decided to agree to this duo, despite it being for neither Iran, nor Sweden. As he explained it numerous times, starting from his solo concert in Baku last year, it is because of his Azeri roots. So this information is very important and makes a lot of sense to be reported in an encyclopedia like Misplaced Pages. Any attempt to supress it is invalid, is POV, bias, and essentially vandalism. --Goldorack (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

just his great grandfather was azery not more.he say always im iranian.even after the uruvison he told to bbc reporter: i saing always i love iran and im iranian.and when reporter asked him why selected azerbaijan he answered: when i was in baku i heared aboute uruvision and i heared aysel selected for this so i send my poem to her and.....he didnt say because im azery!!!i dont think he know azery even!if one man in azerbaijan has a 1 armanian grandfather you think he is armanian??oliver kahn have a one grandmother from latovia.but any boady dont say he is german-latovian.but when he did go to latvia say it because he wanted become closer to them when he was in latvia.--Iroony (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

he isnt persian-azery.his mother and father no one isnt azery.who he is azery?!!!for one grandfather any boady dont become to azery.--Iroony (talk) 09:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it does, one granparent, especially a grandFATHER, is enough to have it reflected, and makes Arash partly Azeri. Especially in Iran, like in Azerbaijan and elsewhere, where nationality passes from a male line. So having an Azeri grandfather, makes Arash at least 25% Azeri. And if that's his father's father, then Arash is Azeri ethnically according to the laws of Iran, Sweden, Azerbaijan, and any other country except Israel. DO NOT REMOVE THIS INFORMATION, THAT IS VANDALISM! --Goldorack (talk) 10:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

in iran dont aske than pepole you are persian or azer or other.in iran we have just one nationality and this is iranian and just wrot this in IDcart.you cant say he is azery when he dont know azery even!!he sad every iranian must speaking with persian.you can just say he have one grandfather in azery root not more.you say he is persian azery its mean he is 50-50%.my father is turk.i know turkish im 50-50 no arash.my last name have one part complete turkish and that is gardash.you just can say in this article arsh have one grandfathers azery not more.you wrote in azery wikipedia he is turk complete!!!ama bu yalandi.--Iroony (talk) 10:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

What you are saying is completely irrelevant and inconsequential -- this is not Iran, this is Misplaced Pages, and all authoritative, sourced information must remain. You are repeatedly comitting edit warring and vandalism by supressing major information about Arash's ethnicity, which hints at your bias and POV. --Goldorack (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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