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Sincerely,--194x144x90x118 (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

haha! --PirateSmackK 16:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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Request reason:

WTF? I aint nobodies sockpuppett this is outrageous and insane.

Decline reason:

Quack quack — Daniel Case (talk) 23:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hi 194x144x90x118,

I don't know who you are, other than your commentary in the Leuchter Report discussion area and your personal edit history which I reviewed. Both your name and my name has been dragged through the mud with personal attacks, slander and ugly accusations that we are the same person. It is a very serious charge calling someone a sock puppet, a libel to be taken very serious, because its a charge if proven in reality with actual facts and not suspicions or feelings ultimately results in you get terminated from the Misplaced Pages community permanently. This slanderous libel was thrown at us from a girl named User:FisherQueen and I have a feeling it was politically motivated because both you and I were concerned with lack of neutrality and bias in the article Leuchter Report. It seems that if a Jew or a gentile has an interest in the areas which are politically taboo and controversial, and we express a desire to have neutrality and add valuable content to the article, we are some how neo-nazis, agent provocateurs, SPA and every other politically motivated slander thrown at us.

Since I originally requested that in an article about the Leuchter Report on Misplaced Pages, there should be a reference to the actual research document Leuchter Report from a reliable source that wouldn't manipulate the document, I have been insulted and called every name in the book including: neo-nazi, sock puppet, poser jew, agent provocateur, other overt insults and many couched covert insults. I'm sorry you had to have the same ugly experience from an entrenched group of editors with their own political biases and motivations, who would rather make personal attacks against people than answer the substance of their legitimate concerns and criticisms.

I hope you can get yourself unblocked and continue to work in consensus with people like me and others who genuinely wish that politics, emotions and feelings can be put aside for the goal of making wikipedia a neutral and valuable resource of encyclopedic knowledge and information.

I'm sorry you had to experience the ugliness of having your account permanently banned and being accused of being me!!

Let's not give up so easily and work within the Misplaced Pages code, system, rules and regulations for a better Misplaced Pages.

Markacohen (talk) 06:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Mark A Cohen would be my sock puppet not vice versa

Ok lets go over this shall we? Or shall we not? Any and all answers to that question would be greatly appreciated but until someone answers that question I want to tell the readers of this page a little something about myself and my activities here on Misplaced Pages.

So who exactly am I? Well I'm not Markacohens sock puppet that's for sure, my user name refers to an IP address that I used to edit from prior to adopting this account. My first edit was on the 17th of April 2007 if I am not mistaken and a good edit it was, if you'll be so kind as to view my contribution history from this link http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/194.144.90.118 then you'll probably see that an edit did indeed take place from that IP adress on that date. I'd like to point out that it looks like Markacohen appeared on the 11th of January 2009 so if there is indeed sock puppetry taking place then it would be I who was Markacohens sock puppets master and not vice versa since I would clearly be the older user, I however have very little to do with Markacohen, he wanted a link to a report on an article here on wikipedia, I too thought that it was reasonable to have such a link, he however wanted to link to warezsites and hatesites I strongly opposed that, other editors however wanted to link to a somewhat neutral site but it was my honest opinion that linking to that site didn't fully meet set requirements or normal standards for a page of this sort. In other words, Mark wanted links A and B, me and the other guys didn't want them, the other guys wanted link C to the same thing but I didn't even want that link to be in place there. I can not see how me and him were working towards the same goal regarding that matter so it would have been highly strange for me as his sock puppet to express an opinion that so radically opposed his. I'd also like to point out the fact that my edits and my IP adress strongly suggest that I am Icelandic and I want to ask if those who believe that I am Markacohen believe that he too is an Icelander?

Now a good question can be raised and that is "Am I really the IP user 194.144.90.118" and well I have to say it certainly does seem that way, the IP user showed a great deal of interest in the Bobby Fischer article and so have I and from the last few edits of that IP user you can see that he/me is given a reason to register a username and that reason is that the Dreamhost talkpage was protected after participation from that IP user. Now I would like to tell you why I exactly want so desperately to participate in the discussion regarding that article, I was looking for a good hosting company to deal with and came across dreamhost, I was just about to swallow the bait when I came across the Misplaced Pages article which seemed pretty standard really but then i looked at its discussion thread and I was simply amazed at what I saw "All out war" which sucseeded in doing what the article didn't, namely to make me realize that Dreamhost was a big no no, so I thought I'd say thanks to the people who have devoted their time to attempting to edit that article http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3ADreamHost&diff=283471510&oldid=283308163 but that thank you of mine was used as an excuse to archive the articles discussion thread meaning that those that come after me may not see an obvious truth cause it has been buried away so I thought that well I owed it to the article to have a positive impact on it and so I tried, seeing various personal attacks there and alot of bs I tried to deal with it but a biased admin Sarekofvulcan probably a dreamhost employee used that as an excuse to lock the discussion thread making it much harder for people to tell the truth about dreamhost so in short while all I really wanted to do was to say "Thank you" I ended up doing others a great disservice since an extremely biased article is going to become much better cloaked now thanks to my efforts. It is therefor my duty I believe to continue my work related to the article and to undo the damage that I have caused. And there you have the reason for why the IP user 194.144.90.118 created the User 194x144x90x118, I chose the Username cause I really didn't want to create a user it was just that I had to.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to ad that the behaviour of wikipedias admins and users is very diappointing and I want to ask, where is the propper forum to complain regarding admin behaviour? --194x144x90x118 (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Additional information provided by this user and checkuser shows that this is not a sockpuppet. Request handled by: FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

" Reporting as requested. ;-)

           Having looked into this, I have not seen any IP evidence that would support Markacohen and 194x144x90x118 being the same person.
           James F. (talk) 21:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)"

The text above can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Markacohen_disruptive_editing_and_forum_shopping as well as nonsens from some guy calling himself WilliamH claiming that my behaviour is suspicious.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 00:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi 194x144x90x118,

I don't know who you are, other than your commentary in the Leuchter Report discussion area and your personal edit history which I reviewed. Both your name and my name have been dragged through the mud with personal attacks, slander and ugly accusations that we are the same person. It is a very serious charge calling someone a sock puppet, a libel to be taken very serious, because it's a charge if proven in reality with actual facts and not suspicions or feelings, can ultimately result in one getting terminated from the Misplaced Pages community permanently. This slanderous libel was thrown at us from a girl named User:FisherQueen and I have a feeling it was politically motivated because both you and I were concerned with lack of neutrality and bias in the article Leuchter Report. It seems that if a Jew or a gentile has an interest in the areas which are politically taboo and controversial, and we express a desire to have neutrality and add valuable content to the article, we are some how neo-nazis, agent provocateurs, SPA and every other personal attack and politically motivated slander thrown at us.

Since I originally requested that in an article about the Leuchter Report on Misplaced Pages, there should be a reference to the actual research document Leuchter Report from a reliable source that wouldn't manipulate the document, I have been insulted and called every name in the book including: neo-nazi, sock puppet, poser jew, agent provocateur, other overt insults and many couched covert insults. I'm sorry you had to have the same ugly experience from an entrenched group of editors with their own political biases and motivations, who would rather make personal attacks against people than answer the substance of their legitimate concerns and criticisms.

I hope you can get yourself unblocked and continue to work in consensus with people like me and others who genuinely wish that politics, emotions and feelings can be put aside for the goal of making wikipedia a neutral and valuable resource of encyclopedic knowledge and information.

I'm sorry you had to experience the ugliness of having your account permanently banned and being accused of being me!!

Let's not give up so easily and work within the Misplaced Pages code, system, rules and regulations for a better Misplaced Pages.

Markacohen (talk) 06:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Markacohen and thanks for the effort to be honest I've never really had a great deal of faith in wikipedia and I intend to try my very best to do positive things in other areas instead, this latest bs only makes me that much more sure that wikipedia is not the way to go. I do however have 3 or 4 things which I will still attend to here on wikipedia 1. The Dreamhost article and talkpage, I've got unfinished business with it, 2. Fisherqueen, I must find a proper way to complain regarding her actions, interferance of this sort is extremely negative. 3. Bobby Fischer, I still have the drive to make it a better article. and 4. You buddy, I'm gonna keep an eye on you, they'll be accusing me soon of being your meat puppet but that's simply aokay with me really, it's as if the rules are Only supposed to apply to you and what you say and that everybody else has the greenlight to just shoot, fuck that shit. Best regards buddy.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

To answer your question, you can report me at the administrators' incident board, where you have already posted once. Make sure you can clearly explain what administrator action is called for, and don't forget diffs which you think show that I have behaved in a way that requires such action. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Unblocked

I appreciate the checkuser looking at this, and thank you for sharing the data from your ip (I am not a checkuser, so I don't have access to ip addresses). I apologize for my incorrect analysis, and have unblocked you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Far from over love. --194x144x90x118 (talk) 20:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

But wait he is still blocked BY Fisherqueen

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Block of 194.144.90.118 lifted or expired. Request handled by: FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

I think I've cleared the autoblock; can you try editing the sandbox and verify that the autoblock is cleared? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Talk:DreamHost are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. Scjessey (talk) 22:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Please do not use talk pages such as Talk:DreamHost for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article. They are not to be used as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. Scjessey (talk) 22:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

My words are related to improving the article and differ in no way from the remarks made by others before mine. And you don't get to play this game saying thank you to me while using personal attacks and threats against others on the page.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 22:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The 'thank you' is part of the Twinkle template. Once again, you need to AGF. Dougweller (talk) 05:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Please do not edit war, and consider self-reverting your edit. It appears that your comment violates WP:NOTFORUM (since it addresses editor conduct, not the improvement of the article). Additionally, it includes commentary that can be considered as personal attacks against other editors. This sort of behavior is quite capable of getting you blocked, so I am asking you nicely in the interests of assuming good faith. -- Scjessey (talk) 22:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Good faith can not be assumed from you.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Talk:DreamHost. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Personal attacks warning

I understand you're passionate about this article and don't particularly care for Scjessey, but comments like this where you call him a "coward" are personal attacks, and will not help get the problem on the page solved. If you have a problem with him as an admin, I'll advise you to take it to WP:ANI for proper attention. Attacking someone on an article's talk page is not only unhelpful, it'll get you blocked. Good luck. Dayewalker (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your comments, fact is though that if personal attacks are going to get people blocked then he should have seen one a long long time ago. I don't care too much for personal attacks really so don't worry I'm not gonna go on any personal attack spree or anything of the sort. He isn't an admin though fyi and if an admin truly were to block me for using that one word then that would just be the most hypocritical thing ever. Take care.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 23:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realize he's not an admin. The process would be the same though, it's better to bring up concerns in an RFC or at ANI. Dayewalker (talk) 23:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

Man

This wikipedia stuff is good shit, next rounds on me aye.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 01:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Premature wrestling deaths

I have nominated Category:Premature wrestling deaths (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi I really don't have any problem with the category being deleted but I suggest that you take a close look at the articles behind the men listed in it, maybe you'll come to see that the category does indeed stand for something.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 08:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

To know a death was "premature" you would need to know two variables. First, the life expectancy of the country the wrestler lived in. Hawk was 46, in a lot of countries 46 is not a young age to die. Second, the family medical history and whether the wrestler outlived their expected lifespan, if Hawk's grand-dad dies aged 40, and Hawk's dad died aged 40, then living to 46 is not premature. As you cannot say exactly when a wrestler would have lived to then you cannot accurately say the deaths were premature. If Owen Hart had not died ten years ago would he have died from a heart attack a year later? You don't know and so the category parameters are too vague. Drug related deaths (the Von Erichs), suicides (Benoit, the Von Erichs) or early deaths (before the age of 40) would need, and do have, separate categories. This category is subjective, therefore cannot stay. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I respect your opinion I do however not agree with it. Perhaps there is no better way to put these men into a category together but if there isn't then I think that it's best that this category stay. Best regards,--194x144x90x118 (talk) 09:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

If there isn't a better way to put them together then the only course of action is to delete the category, not keep it and hope that some criteria arrive in the future. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Your userpage

The template you are placing on your userpage is not a toy; it is a tool to be used for a specific purpose. If you are indeed operating multiple accounts, please list them here and explain why. If you are not operating multiple accounts, please do not use the {puppetmaster} template on your user page. Thank you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC) This is harassment, I've had enough of your bs, what exactly are you doing on my userpage? Have you not bothered me enough already with unjustified blocks and such? Please leave me alone and also read the disclaimer aye, comments of this sort are not allowed on my talkpage.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Again: You were not blocked four times in 2008. Please don't use Misplaced Pages templates as toys, and don't place inaccurate templates anywhere. Thank you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Who says that I am obliged to reveal the identities of my alleged sock puppets or to explain my reasons for using them? Where is the wikipedia policy for that? Not a normal request when you consider the numerous admitted sock puppets and sock puppeteers operating out there.Now please stop the harassment.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 16:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to reveal the identities of your sockpuppets, but if you continue telling me that they exist, I will assume that you are being truthful, and act accordingly. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Alleged sockpuppets.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 21:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Note

This is not an appropriate edit. User:Scjessey is allowed to remove things from his talk page if he chooses; it is considered an acknowledgement that he has read the message. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

There is a disclaimer at the top of my talkpage which states that you are NOT! to leave messages like this here, please respect the written guidelines for this talkpage. Thank you, --194x144x90x118 (talk) 11:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The 'disclaimer' is a funny joke, but that's all it is; your talk page is for other users to communicate with you. You should be warned that continuing to insist that no one is allowed to post on your talk page is likely to be perceived as disruptive. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

And disrupting other people's talk pages again could result in blocks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

You have no business talking smack on my talkpage claiming that I should be blocked for this or that, you are the two most incompetent and insane admins that I know of on this site, Fisherqueen the lady that somehow came to the crazy conclusion that I was that guy Markacohen and Permanently blocked me even though I took a position completely opposite to his, VERY LOGICAL. And our good friend Sarekofvulcan who Ignored Scjesseys personal attacks on the dreamhost talkpage for AGES!!!! just LOOK at the damn thing it's full of various personal attacks made by him against a number of users BUT!!!!, BUT!!!!!! when I! Dared to complain about those personal attacks well then of course those were valid grounds for blocking me.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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