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::As I said, I did not revere the order. Please don't assume bad faith.--] 14:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ::As I said, I did not revere the order. Please don't assume bad faith.--] 14:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly== | |||
I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...? | |||
===ArbCom remedy=== | |||
Voting is underway at . In part because of , the was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that ] has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at . I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically. | |||
ArbCom findings of fact included: | |||
* . "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case." | |||
ArbCom remedies included: | |||
* : "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion." | |||
* : "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought." | |||
It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable. | |||
If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- ] (]) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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before the question. Again, welcome! --Caspian blue (talk) 13:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Welcome, Caspian blue. You are the first person on my page. And you gave me helpful message. Thank you! --Bukubku (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I love your userpage!
Sorry, I was getting tired of all those discussions where Japan is vilified in articles. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you, Chris. I understand this message is one of cheer. Thank you.--Bukubku (talk) 03:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
A plausibly calming thought?
The seasonal colors of autumn leaves -- perennially expected, but always a bit of a surprise ....
Caspian blue explains here: "One thing about myself, I really don't like "orange color" which is the complementary color to blue."
Are you familiar with the Latin phrase, Caveat lector -- perennially expected, but always a bit of a surprise? --Tenmei (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Translation
Hi. I got your message on the article. I will look over it when I have time; it will probably be sometime this weekend. It's a pretty contentious topic but I'll do what I can. Konamaiki (talk) 19:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hi. Don't worry about it, it's not a really painful topic. I'm not the nationalistic type so it won't be a problem. What might be a problem is time -- right now I'm super busy because I'm applying for graduate schools. But if I have some free time somewhere I will take a look at it.Konamaiki (talk) 21:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Mediation
Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-11-06 Woo Jang-choon Here's hoping it helps your dispute. Best wishes, Durova 01:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
MedCab
Hi. A MedCab case has been opened here, regarding Woo Jang-choon. You have been named as a participant. Please visit the case page and indicate whether or not you will participate. Thank you. 23:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Blocked again
I have blocked you again for your unabated edit-warring and tendentious editing on Comfort women. In view of your previous block history, the block length is 72hrs this time. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).Bukubku (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I didn't 3 revert. And I talked in Talk:Comfort women. On the other hand, Melonbarmonster2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) didn't talk. And he also reverted again again. However ] (] · ]) blocked only me without reason. I provided some sources both Comfort women and Talk:Comfort women. I did as possible as I could be civilly. Why I was blocked? I hope this is just only his mishandling. Please unblock me. Please tell me satisfactory explanation. *** --Bukubku (talk) 08:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Decline reason:
reason — Your account has a documented record of edit warring and tendentious editing patterns, and I am not encouraged with your unblock rationale, in that you acknowledge no fault. You have been topic banned, and you will respect not only our policies and guidelines, but our topic bans, or you'll be facing a lengthy block in the future. As a side note, please do not post exceedingly lengthy unblock requests or they will be ignored. seicer | talk | contribs 15:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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... and topic-banned
Actually, on reviewing your contributions a bit further, it is very clear that your activities here are entirely focused on nationalist polemics and POV-pushing, and that you are pursuing a POV campaign previously pursued by various serial sockpuppeters. I am therefore banning you from all topic areas dealing with Japanese-Korean political, historical and cultural controversies. You may edit elsewhere, once your present block expires, but don't try to edit in this area or you will immediately be blocked indefinitely, without further warning. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- ? I used Talk page, Melonbarmonster2 (talk · contribs) didn't talk. And reverted without talking. Moreover, the last person until now, edited Talk:Comfort women is me. You seems backing up some people, I don't want to think so. Your English seems better than me, you can read New York Times correctly. Why you ban my edition? Please cancel your block. I hope this is your accidentally mistake. Sorry my too poor English.--Bukubku (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs), please, Don't block other Non South Korean nationalistic editors moreover.--Bukubku (talk) 14:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
why?
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).Bukubku (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I understand ] (] · ]) opinion sincerely. I become more carfuly. I becom having more respect for Admins. Please, please tell me why only me was blocked. I talked in talk page and the last person until now, edited Talk:Comfort women is me. And I provied sources. LikeNew York times and so on. Melonbarmonster2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) did not talk. why he was not blocked? Why I was blocked without warning after 21 hours my last edition of Comfort women? Topic-banned is too harsh, I don't vandalized, this is only edition war. Anyway, I bothered Admins sorry.--Bukubku (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Decline reason:
The existance of sources does not allow you to repeatedly add the same text to an article over and over again. The use of a talk page is good, but doing so also does NOT allow you to make the same edits over and over again. Other people, despite these things you have done, may have valid reasons to remove or change the information you have added. The proper course of action is to leave the information out of the article (EVEN IF IT HAS SOURCES) until you can reach an agreement to re-add it via the talk page. If there is an impasse at the talk page, you may request outside opinions. Several options for doing so are listed at WP:DR. However, seeing as this was not your first encounter with this policy WP:EW, that is, I find it hard to believe you don't yet understand what edit warring entails. — Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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There additional sources.
- Japanes News Paper Asahi Shimbun(Japanese) translated by Google Translate
- South Korean researchers announced in the Korean military comfort women system during the Korean War
It was also the Korean military comfort women system during the Korean War 23, Ritsumeikan University (Kita Ward, Kyoto) is being held in "peace and human rights in East Asia," International Symposium Japan tournament (sponsored by The Asahi Shimbun) was revealed. Of the public in Japan for Korean comfort women for the first time. Visiting Professor Yu Kon Takashi Hiroshi Minami Korea's Kyung (Kim GIOKU), (40) = sociology = "Do not imitated the Japanese military comfort women system," the newspaper said.
Kim was in 1996, separated families in an interview, "in October 1950, the prisoners of the Korean military, he met military comfort women and the party" from the testimony of men. Interviews over the five years since the "comfort station used" directly "took to the comfort women were abducted by the army" of eight men and women who heard the testimony.
Friday's addition, the South Korean Army headquarters has 56 official documents to compile the history of warfare, backward (ed personnel), the "comfort station fixed - special relief team" found a description. Established for "the nature of the action and physiological changes caused by Heterosexual longing for, to prevent other things hurt and depression", and four of the 89 comfort women but only 52 in 20 years the 10,000 slaves in 4560, has brought a special relief team performance statistics are described.
Together with the testimony, the comfort station was directly managed by the military, Mr. Kim has concluded.
Some military sources, the military supplies from the first to have four, "the fifth seed supplies" in the receipt of orders, the company of one "at the limit of eight hours during the day 6 The comfort women were outfitted in "some of the content.
What the comfort women who were in the clear, but during the Korean War prostitute (prostitute) increased rapidly from 30 million to be claimed, he "wartime rape (rape) and her husband Many civilians were killed by a trigger comfort women "are looking at.
Kim said "many of the leaders of the Army's initiative was the establishment of the Japanese military experience. Step forward for the Korean military comfort women, it is essential to the comfort women issue. And government, then to pursue the responsibility of the U.S. military was holding the supreme command, "he said.
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Fuji Associate Professor of Osaka University of Foreign Studies snow (history) is of a very important story. For the comfort women, not little-known in Korea, I found it. The question of the dark side of Korean troops to Korea and it is difficult. It will be held directly in their own society with the enslavement of Korean women. Research on the history of women in Asia, will help determine what has led to the violence of the military bases around the comfort women and the present. (23:32)
Photo caption:"Comfort women is a problem across the United States and South Korea. I want to clarify the current status of U.S. troops use comfort station," said Yu = Kon Takashi Kita Ward, Ritsumeikan University in Kyoto
- South Korean News Paper Ilyosisa(Korean) translated by Google Translate
- 'Korean army comfort women' issue raised by Dr. gimgwiok
"We know some of the puzzle" July 24, one of the world, Japan's Asahi gwonwiji (朝日) newspaper, "was to mimic the Japanese system of comfort women system was in Korea that the Korean army was at war," he has focused the attention of world reportage. The school, which gimgwiok Guest gyeongnamdae of Korea (40) February 23, Dr. international symposium held in Kyoto, said the announcement together. Dr. Kim, the 'East Asian Peace and Human Rights International Symposium women abducted by the military, based on testimony that "the army headquarters in 1956 pyeonchanhan' rear Champion (insapyeon) 'in the' special brothels as recorded only to discover part of the year 1952, including four platoons of 89 women in the 204,560 yuan of the meeting that the cheombudwae statistics, "he said the paper. But the announcement of Dr. Ido were sent to the attention of suspicion. In the distance is not great news for the suspicion I've been in Japan. Dr. Kim, the "not the issue in Japan, announced that the East Asia International Symposium on Peace and Human Rights, the report said that the problem yourself," the "champion of 56 years, the library found in the rear, that I was not going to be Japan and foreign scholars, who discovered one day by materials scientists because its better to Korea because I decided to announce, "he said. Korean troops on April 13 to find additional resources related to women and Dr. gimgwiok met in full swing.
- 1997 women's champion in the rear to find related records what happened the first time. I could see other materials. ▲ people against the North wolnamhan for separated family members met with several people to study. The man was able to find just the past bukpa were spies, he learned from the military was the first time the existence of comfort women. After a series bukpa to secure testimony of the agents involved and was written by the army headquarters in the War Memorial in 1997, rear-warrior (insapyeon) has found. Of the existing materials from the army headquarters in Seoul, Research Institute under the Ministry of Defense and Military Professional Resources of major dwijyeotjiman 'does not exist, nothing is heard dapbyeonman. However, this is the opportunity to have more data coming to see the military side.
- Dr. Kim, you find the records of the 1997 champion, but the rear, the announcement of the investigation and that it could do anything and then when the time is determined. ▲ 2000 academic years of 6 May at the council, in Korea, how to finish the event, said. Korea then announced the subject of war and end the war only when the division of Korea in the history of scientific thought can study properly. Korea in the sense that war, there are still many problems to deal one of the women thought of them. The paper was published this year was decided.
- How do I accept the record of the rear of a champion. They end the war in the past ▲ yireuja and records relating to the comfort women were busy to incineration. However, the burning and eliminate the purpose of the installation from the place neunkeonyeong army headquarters, said more details about the number of use. In the perception of history, the army headquarters, which was to champion personnel, the shame (?) To determine the altitude, but did not as a result of our military, frankly admitted that the military government in Japan is better than I do is not.
- The North bukpa agents to kidnap and rape the women giving birth with the child to be able to live off the record, the official women already exists in South Korea because it was the top can not happen under the acquiescence. ▲ regular comfort women during the Korean War and are separated into non-Somali. The fixed and removable comfort women divided into regular and irregular bukpa agents in the two women kidnapped women, women with long-term fixed unyonghan to the comfort women from gimhuioh as the general's memoirs, if necessary, temporarily brought comfort temporarily separated by using can. However, that was the cause of the non-regular comfort women in the management of the comfort women, because women in the form of long-term management can be temporarily made.
- Some exhibits on women in situations of the Korean War by a soldier was first to recognize the concept of sexual assault. ▲ people talking about the comfort women issue is the way it is. Confession of comfort women during the past gimhaksun her eyes were looking at an impure intentions. Many sexual assault happened during the war, but all the indiscriminate rape during the war did not happen. This was also true of sexual assault and that the army operated for comfort is not the problem of the same nature.
- Aims comfort, size, personnel, and other materials, had been active yuan. The Defense Ministry is to do what we see. During the war, a Pentagon side ▲ Korea-related materials, if women should be released. During the war, left a lot of data may not be sogakdwae, but the U.S. side is likely to still remain. Is the will of the Ministry of Defense. One of the women so that women receive a report with the issue of compensation for the investigation to go out regularly to establish history.
Photo caption:On June 23 'International Symposium on Korean army comfort women' issue was raised with Dr. gimgwiok the Asahi Shimbun reported.
--Bukubku (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)--Bukubku (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Comment
I invite no action or comment; but I wonder if it might be worthwhile for you to examine what I have posted as a "comment" at User talk:Tznkai#Note on the topic bans (Caspain Blue and Sennen goroshi)? Plausibly useful? --Tenmei (talk) 20:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Kenroku-en
Bukubku -- I believe that the common Nandina in the center foreground of your Kenroku-en winter photo at the left is the same plant as can be seen growing next to the Onin War marker pictured at the right.
It is curious that Kenroku-en was named by Matsudaira Sadanobu, who confronted many unanticipated challenges during his lifetime. I wonder if re-considering the classical dichotomies of Chinese and Japanese landscape architecture will help me in a process of re-examining my impressions of this quintessential bakufu bureaucrat? I wonder if a similar approach might assist you in re-evaluating how to participate more effectively in in Misplaced Pages?
If Kenroku-en was designed to embody spaciousness, seclusion, artifice, antiquity, waterways, and panoramas, does it necessarily follow that similar aspects can be adduced from Misplaced Pages?
Too often, I notice that Misplaced Pages appears to be moved by the kinds of disparate factors which are mentioned as explanations for length of the Onin War.
I plan to give these musings some thought during the remaining weeks of winter.
In this or any other context, I suppose the lucky Maeda would have stumbled into ways to turn a profit. What do you think? My guess is that Ieyasu's precepts might be construed to suggest, "It is better not to reach than to go to far." -- Tenmei (talk) 20:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- In my writing, I've tried to be "diplomatic" ... but my best efforts have more often turned out to be merely obscure. Retired User:WJBscribe suggested that I was wise to keep my language "measured," but somehow vagueness was not necessary -- here. Al that any of us can hope to do is to grow a little bit better ... and a little more "measured" .... Don't you agree? --Tenmei (talk) 21:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Rude and/or vague
This issue is outside the ambit of your ban. Will you give this some thought?
From time to time, more than one editor has construed my words as "rude." Please review of the following and suggest a better way to avoid being perceived as unhelpfully rude.
In an effort to be "diplomatic," I have more often achieved merely "vague" ... and I would appreciate comments about this problem as well. In order to "find my own voice," I obviously need to learn to avoid being perceived as rude and/or vague.
Doesn't this represent an interesting change of focus -- not so much about what you may or may not have done wrong, but more to do with figuring out how to help someone else? --Tenmei (talk) 18:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Asama
Congratulations. Good step in a constructive direction. --Tenmei (talk) 15:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks.--Bukubku (talk) 11:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi!
Thank you for the recent comment. I'm doing fine now. Well, I am careless sometimes. That's my flaw. So the block was 仕方がない and that's all. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 15:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
All caps
Hi. I notice that in your last few posts at WP:AN, you've been repeating in all-caps, "NOT RACIST". All caps tends to be interpreted online as shouting... could you please stop shouting? If you wish for people to see your position as reasonable, then you do yourself a great disservice to appear so excitable. Settle down, stop repeating, "NOT RACIST", and make your points calmly, please. -GTBacchus 00:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I looks bad. You are right. Thank you.--Bukubku (talk) 00:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
AGF
I do not appreciate anyone touching others' comment without permission except special cases. I did not switch the order of your comment and mine at all if you check carefully the time stamp of mine. While I was writing the comment with an open tab, you inserted your comment. If I tried to switch it, there would be an edit conflict but I did not have that experience. You still seem not to assume good faith. Moreover, in the diff, you referred the stalking site to mock me in the public. That is my point with the diff. Best regards for your editing.--Caspian blue 02:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Please, don't reverse turns. Time stamp is not changed by user, it is saving.--Bukubku (talk) 10:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- As I said, I did not revere the order. Please don't assume bad faith.--Caspian blue 14:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly
I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...?
ArbCom remedy
Voting is underway at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Proposed decision. In part because of "Evidence presented by Caspian blue", the locus of dispute was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that Bukubku has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at "Tenmei's wikihounding and trolling". I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically.
ArbCom findings of fact included:
- 3.2.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution. "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case."
ArbCom remedies included:
- 3.3.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution: "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion."
- 3.3.3 Editors advised: "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought."
It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable.
If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- Tenmei (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)