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| :: I am in two minds, on principal he was did nothing to deserve media attention he just happened to be the father of the daughter of someone famous - but if I am realistic his name was fully disclosed in the media and there is unlikely to be any harm done by having his name in the article - personal details are not required but revealing his name is not going to do him any harm. ] (]) 00:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC) | :: I am in two minds, on principal he was did nothing to deserve media attention he just happened to be the father of the daughter of someone famous - but if I am realistic his name was fully disclosed in the media and there is unlikely to be any harm done by having his name in the article - personal details are not required but revealing his name is not going to do him any harm. ] (]) 00:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
| ==Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly== | |||
| I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...? | |||
| ===ArbCom remedy=== | |||
| Voting is underway at . In part because of , the was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that ] has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at . I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically. | |||
| ArbCom findings of fact included: | |||
| * . "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case." | |||
| ArbCom remedies included: | |||
| * : "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion." | |||
| * : "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought." | |||
| It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable. | |||
| If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- ] (]) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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You have new messages (last change).
I do tend to delete messages when they are no longer relevant, so don't take offence if/when your message goes the way of the dodo
Re: Palin article..
In fact, I started by reverting you but I then searched for prior discussions about the subject and what I found seemed to back up your version. Since the matter is apparently not as trivial as I thought, I preferred letting the editors with more knowledge of the article deal with it and I undid my edit. Apologies for the confusion! (I still think having his name is not such a good idea, though) -- lucasbfr 15:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- I am in two minds, on principal he was did nothing to deserve media attention he just happened to be the father of the daughter of someone famous - but if I am realistic his name was fully disclosed in the media and there is unlikely to be any harm done by having his name in the article - personal details are not required but revealing his name is not going to do him any harm. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 00:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly
I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...?
ArbCom remedy
Voting is underway at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Proposed decision. In part because of "Evidence presented by Caspian blue", the locus of dispute was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that Sennen goroshi has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at "Tenmei's wikihounding and trolling". I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically.
ArbCom findings of fact included:
- 3.2.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution. "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case."
ArbCom remedies included:
- 3.3.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution: "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion."
- 3.3.3 Editors advised: "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought."
It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable.
If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- Tenmei (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)