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Hi Nihonjoe — Unfortunately {{tl|nihongo4}} is not an exact duplicate of {{tl|nihongo2}}. I'd like to help in merging the two templates, but it's probably best to restore {{tl|nihongo4}} until the merge is completed. — Regards. <span style="border:1px solid;color:#000085">]</span> 12:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | Hi Nihonjoe — Unfortunately {{tl|nihongo4}} is not an exact duplicate of {{tl|nihongo2}}. I'd like to help in merging the two templates, but it's probably best to restore {{tl|nihongo4}} until the merge is completed. — Regards. <span style="border:1px solid;color:#000085">]</span> 12:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly== | |||
I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...? | |||
===ArbCom remedy=== | |||
Voting is underway at . In part because of , the was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that ] has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at . I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically. | |||
ArbCom findings of fact included: | |||
* . "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case." | |||
ArbCom remedies included: | |||
* : "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion." | |||
* : "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought." | |||
It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable. | |||
If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- ] (]) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Archives
Generally, I'll reply here if you post here, so please watch this page if you want to see my reply. If I don't reply within a couple days on another page where you replied to one of my comments, feel free to drop a message here. I have over 9000 pages on my watchlist, so I don't always catch everything new. Thanks! ···日本穣 |
Newtype USA April 2007 Issue (Part 2)
Hi Nihonjoe! Sorry about resurrecting a really old discussion of ours, but I started working on the Le Chevalier D'Eon article again, and I need some more information about the series' novelization. I found zilch about the novel in my online research, so I thought I'd have better luck with that issue. :-/ Does the it say anything more about the novel (like release date, publisher/s, no. of pages, etc.)? And does it say if anime was based on the novel? Thanks, and sorry for the trouble! None of the public libraries that I have access to carry the magazine. :| --SilentAria 10:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'll have to look up the article again. It may be a little over a week, though, as I'm busy with some other things right now that may take my time. ···日本穣 18:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oh okay; take your time, and thanks in advance! :D --SilentAria 18:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
A little help with Japanese
I came across the following phrase, though I'm not really sure what to make of the first half the sentence since I'm still learning Japanese. It's a comment on a song by Maaya Sakamoto.
- 09.SONIC BOOM
- “王道”と言えるようなポップスをたくさん集めたアルバムにしたいという私のイメージに、忠実に応えてくださった市川さん。市川さんも「僕史上最高傑作」とまで言ってくれました!
Thank you. AngelFire3423 (talk) 14:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- It would be something like My image/idea of the "easy road" of collecting a lot of pops albums was faithfully rewarded by Ichikawa-san. Ichikawa-san even called me the "Best Apprentice Ever". ···日本穣 18:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. AngelFire3423 (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your support
Unfortunately, my RFA was closed recently with a final tally of 75½/38/10. Though it didn't succeed, I wanted to thank you for your support and I hope I can count on it in the future. Even though it didn't pass, it had a nearly 2 to 1 ratio of support and I am quite encouraged by those results. I intend to review the support, oppose, and neutral !votes and see what I can do to address those concerns that were brought up and resubmit in a few months. If you would like to assist in my betterment and/or co-nominate me in the future, please let me know on my talk page. Special thanks go to Schmidt, , TomStar81, and henrik for their co-nominations and support. — BQZip01 — |
- If you have any questions or need any help, just let me know. I'll be glad to do what I can. ···日本穣 18:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Please tell me this....
How is adding a completely unrelated TV-series (in this case: Police Academy: The Animated Series) to a lot of articles with apparently no connection constructive? Gsmgm (talk) 18:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- All of the articles to which that was added were connected: each of those voice actors played a part in that series (as the addition showed). From all appearances, it looks like you just went through and rolled-back almost everything done by that IP. ···日本穣 18:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- I have checked all those edits and the added links, the linked article itself had no mention of the included actors/actresses, and I have watched the mentioned TV-series (last time I watched, all actors/actresses were american no japanese), your claim was warranted in one single occasion out of 9. Please do review those pages and deem if those additions were warranted. For the single good-faith edit labeled as vandalism, I apologise sincerely. Gsmgm (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oh do you mean dubbed, but then why were they under the completely false category? Gsmgm (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- It sure have solved a lot of quarrel if they were under the correct category, sigh. Gsmgm (talk) 19:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- If you look at the Japanese article for the Police Academy series, you will see their names listed there. I don't know why they aren't listed here. ···日本穣 19:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- It sure have solved a lot of quarrel if they were under the correct category, sigh. Gsmgm (talk) 19:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oh do you mean dubbed, but then why were they under the completely false category? Gsmgm (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- I have checked all those edits and the added links, the linked article itself had no mention of the included actors/actresses, and I have watched the mentioned TV-series (last time I watched, all actors/actresses were american no japanese), your claim was warranted in one single occasion out of 9. Please do review those pages and deem if those additions were warranted. For the single good-faith edit labeled as vandalism, I apologise sincerely. Gsmgm (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Question about putting Kanji names...
I just wanted to consult to you about something, so sorry if I bothered you.
I'm currently in the process of making a list of episodes for the original Iron Chef using the format of the tables used in the "List of Iron Chef America episodes" article. The future contents are currently in my sandbox and it's still not finished because I'm still thinking of what else to add before moving them to the article space. Since most of the challengers in that show don't have Misplaced Pages articles, do you think it's a good idea to also add the kanji of the challenger's name upon the first mention of that challenger in the tables? The exception, of course, would be the non-Japanese and non-Chinese challengers. I was thinking of this, but I fear that it may make the tables wider if word wrapping is disabled. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- So don't disable word wrapping. It shouldn't be disabled, anyway, as that messes with the control of the browser over display. Yes, the kanji should be included for anyone who doesn't have an article here. ···日本穣 20:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
About edit of Kuril Islands
It's true that many Japanese think southernmost 4 islands of Kuril are 北方四島 (Northern 4 Islands) which are territory of Japan. However, there is are few Japanese who think all Chishima-rettou (autonym of Kuril islands) is part of Japan. Regarding ALL Chishima as Japan is regarded as making propaganda for FAR-RIGHT or NIHON-KYOUSANTOU (Japanese Communist Party) in Japan.--Kiku b (talk) 12:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- Regardless, the category should remain. It doesn't hurt anything, and helps more easily locate the articles through a variety of methods. ···日本穣 20:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
An incorrect category gives viewer an incorrect understanding. If Kimchi is categorized as Japanese cuisine, you will remove that category tag. It isn't correct to categorize Kuril as Archipelagoes of Japan. It is exactly the same as telling lies.--Kiku b (talk) 14:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- No more than any other set of disputed islands. As it's verifiably and actively disputed, it should be listed under both countries. ···日本穣 18:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
That is, you say I can replace Archipelagoes of Japanese Category tag with Territorial disputes of Japan Category tag, don't you?--Kiku b (talk) 11:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- No, they aren't mutually exclusive. ···日本穣 21:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Re: Metacommunication
Just wondering why you deleted the page on metacommunication. I used the word in the article on double bind and it showed red. Of course, what's more urgently needed is a page on logical types to explain hierarchies of communicative levels... --Margaret9mary (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- It was requested to be deleted by the author of the page. It was deleted over a month ago. ···日本穣 01:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- A special search on the word metacommunication shows it's been used in at least 9 WP articles--and is in Wiktionary. Can that be shown? Also: Can you help me set up a page on Logical Types? I wrote a section on Logical Types in Biology on the Discussion page of Double Bind which perhaps is a place to start. But I really am NOT a computer geek; starting a new page is beyond my skills.--Margaret9mary (talk) 02:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I don't have time to start up an article for you. However, I can point you in the right direction. If you have a little time to read some information, following the directions at Misplaced Pages:Your first article will help you. It gives an easy-to-follow guide for creating an article. Please let me know if you have any specific questions. ···日本穣 02:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- A special search on the word metacommunication shows it's been used in at least 9 WP articles--and is in Wiktionary. Can that be shown? Also: Can you help me set up a page on Logical Types? I wrote a section on Logical Types in Biology on the Discussion page of Double Bind which perhaps is a place to start. But I really am NOT a computer geek; starting a new page is beyond my skills.--Margaret9mary (talk) 02:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Shameless thankspam
Click on show to view the contents of this sectionFlyingToaster Barnstar
Hello Nihonjoe! Thank you so much for your support in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of 126/32/5. I am truly humbled by the trust you placed in me, and will endeavor to live up to that trust. FlyingToaster
- You're welcome. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···日本穣 21:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Category deletion
I deleted Category:Non-article Japan-related pages because it is not actively in use. The category is merely a redirect to Category:NA-Class Japan-related articles. But pages are never added to this category manually; they are always added by using the {{WikiProject Japan}} template, which automatically files pages into the correctly-named category, so the redirect does not serve any purpose. You may wish to reconsider your undeletion of the category. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's there to make sure no one else creates the category for any reason. Having it there doesn't hurt anything, so please leave it alone. ···日本穣 03:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
A tale of swords and souls
I was wondering if you could take a look at my discussion here. I am almost positive that WP:MOS-JA is supporting me there, but I just want to make sure if there was some sort of precedent in the romanization of the word "souru".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Eternally retold
The user still has issues.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- I closed the discussion and directed further comments regarding romanization to WT:MOS-JA. ···日本穣 03:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- What if he doesn't take the hint?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- We'll deal with it at that time, then. ···日本穣 03:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Damnit.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, I saw that. ···日本穣 20:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- This is getting extremely out of hand. And its getting really tiresome wading through his verbiage particularly when he picks apart your statement to point out the flaws he sees.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, I saw that. ···日本穣 20:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Damnit.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- We'll deal with it at that time, then. ···日本穣 03:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- What if he doesn't take the hint?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Newtype Japan 1990 - 1994
In any of the magazines you have, does it mention anywhere the date that members of CLAMP left the group? If any of the magazines you have does, then could you put the references to them on the article about clamp? It would help alot. Thanks for the trouble. AngelFire3423 (talk) 15:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can do. ···日本穣 18:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Movie studio vandal back again
This time he struck from 202.133.6.134 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 13:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- And again as 125.161.180.133 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), although he was blocked for it. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 04:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
ThankSpam
Thank you for participating in my "RecFA", which passed with a final tally of 153/39/22. There were issues raised regarding my adminship that I intend to cogitate upon, but I am grateful for the very many supportive comments I received and for the efforts of certain editors (Ceoil, Noroton and Lar especially) in responding to some issues. I wish to note how humbled I was when I read Buster7's support comment, although a fair majority gave me great pleasure. I would also note those whose opposes or neutral were based in process concerns and who otherwise commented kindly in regard to my record. ~~~~~ |
Category:Japanese voice actor stubs
I reverted your edit to Category:Japanese voice actor stubs. There is no need to add Category:Japanese voice actors, as the {{Stub Category}} template contains it and adds it automatically. Also, you removed Category:Japanese actor stubs, which I'm sure was an unfortunate oversight. • Lainagier • talk • 06:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello Nihonjoe
I know you are a very good editor, that's why i would like to ask you a question: what do I have to do to publish changes/comments which I made (so that they will appear on the internet). Thanks for helping! RoboRay--RoboRay (talk) 22:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Please be more specific. Which changes or comments? ···日本穣 22:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK: Chikara to Onna no Yo no Naka
On 26 May, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chikara to Onna no Yo no Naka, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Kutani
Nice work on the Kutani ware article. Ceramics and porcelains, I think, suffer even more than the rest of Japanese arts from a lack of coverage on Misplaced Pages. I've been meaning for ages to devote some attention to those topics, but frankly they're not really my interest. Thanks for getting the ball rolling or keeping it moving, or whatever. LordAmeth (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. There are a few more to do, though, as you can see by the nav template at the bottom of the articles. Feel free to jump in and help on any of them (even the ones already created could use some work). ···日本穣 19:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
2nd Sino Japanese War
In its present state the article should have the POV tag restored that blueshirts removed or it should be reverted to the last edit by Arilang1234, which represents the article prior to the contentious edits being made Sherzo (talk) 20:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- No, you don't understand how protection works. I protected it in the current state, and it's not going to change until you (all of you) can come to some sort of consensus on what changes need to be made instead of engaging in a revert war. Please go to that talk page and do so, then let me know once consensus has been reached. ···日本穣 21:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- No you should either lock it with the POV tag intact or revert it and lock it to the last version before revert war began, instead what you have done is locked a major article in a highly POV form which not only damages the quality of information provided to the reader but also the reputation of this encyclopedia, as Chinese critics who claim western or anti chinese bias can now easily point to this article as an example, which thanks to you no one can remedy. Sherzo (talk) 05:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but please don't tell me how to do my job. I know very well how to handle article protection. I am not reverting it to anything until you guys can pull yourselves together long enough to discuss the issue civilly and come to a consensus. When protection is placed on an article, it is placed leaving the article in the condition it was in at the time. This is very clearly a content dispute. However, I have placed a POV tag as there is obviously a POV dispute going on here. I suggest you go back to the talk page of the article and try to come to a consensus. ···日本穣 05:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- No you should either lock it with the POV tag intact or revert it and lock it to the last version before revert war began, instead what you have done is locked a major article in a highly POV form which not only damages the quality of information provided to the reader but also the reputation of this encyclopedia, as Chinese critics who claim western or anti chinese bias can now easily point to this article as an example, which thanks to you no one can remedy. Sherzo (talk) 05:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi
what's with the protection of the second sino japanese war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickster206 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- See the comment I left on that talk page, or read the comments above. ···日本穣 21:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
1980s in Japan
Thanks for the expansion -- that's a good direction for the article to take. I don't have the interest to focus on it, but even if I did, I would not have done as well. Fg2 (talk) 01:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sure thing. I mostly just took bits and pieces from other articles. ···日本穣 03:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Kutani ware
On May 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kutani ware, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Kanji Help
Hi! I've been trying to improve the article Glass Wings, but I've come across some problems with the kanji. It's written as 羽根玻璃ノ君。, and the romanized version is Hane Garasu no Kimi. The dictionary I'm using doesn't have any kanji for "Garasu", and I always thought it was more of a loan word (not sure, though). Would you mind telling me if it's a correct translation? Oh, and can you tell me the translation into English? Thank you for your help! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 02:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Hane Garasu no Kimi" comes from the furigana above the kanji on the cover of the book. As for what the kanji mean, they literally mean (in order): feather, root/head, glass, glass-like, and "you". So "glass wings" is fairly close to a literal meaning, though "Your Glass Wings" would be a better literal translation, IMO. ···日本穣 02:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 14:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Something not about souls
I recently found I had to do a lot of redirect fixing for the article Kamen Rider Hibiki & The Seven War Oni. I still think there's an issue with the translation/transliteration of 戦鬼. Have you come across the word "Senki" before, and would that be a better translation?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Template {{nihongo4}}
Hi Nihonjoe — Unfortunately {{nihongo4}} is not an exact duplicate of {{nihongo2}}. I'd like to help in merging the two templates, but it's probably best to restore {{nihongo4}} until the merge is completed. — Regards. Cs32en 12:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly
I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...?
ArbCom remedy
Voting is underway at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Proposed decision. In part because of "Evidence presented by Caspian blue", the locus of dispute was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that Nihonjoe has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at "Tenmei's wikihounding and trolling". I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically.
ArbCom findings of fact included:
- 3.2.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution. "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case."
ArbCom remedies included:
- 3.3.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution: "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion."
- 3.3.3 Editors advised: "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought."
It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable.
If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- Tenmei (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)