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What a lovely timing, considering I've been editing articles for quite a while now and nobody notices me until I finally get my lazy ass up to write a full-fledged article. Teh awesome.

Well, I catch the drift tho. Thanks for aknowledging my existence ;) --Ashmodai 00:21, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

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Please register your account at de - otherwise, the user page de:Benutzer:Ashmodai will deleted -- da didi 10:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't aware the registration of accounts is localised on Misplaced Pages. I registered an account accordingly. --Ashmodai 19:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry?

I noticed you wrote "Also, being pedophile is NOT A CRIME." in . I'm not sure what planet you live on, but here on earth pedophilia is most DEFINITELY a crime. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what planet you live on, but in most Western countries pedophilia is most definitely not a crime. Sex with children usually is one, indeed, but pedophilia as such is not. --Ashmodai 20:42, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Reenactment-stub}}

Hello. I notice that you added {{Reenactment-stub}} to the stub types page. Note that the top of the page states:

"To avoid unnecessary redirects and reverts, please discuss all new stubs at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria prior to creation of new stubs and placement in articles or tables."

I have therefore moved the entry to the relevant location, here. Please feel free to discuss it there.

--TheParanoidOne 15:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

cleanup tag

I see you have added a cleanup template to Vergangenheitsbewältigung. Not that that's necessarily objectionable, but it would be helpful if you would do more than make a passing comment to this edit and elaborate on this in the article's discussion page. Buffyg 19:29, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your response on my talk page. It is always more helpful in the cleanup of an article to have more extensive feedback than it is to deal with a general contention that an article needs improvement. I have made this mistake before. It generally contributes to the cleanup tag being removed without any cleanup. Thank you for taking the time on the talk page. I can assure you that it is appreciated. Buffyg 22:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Authenticity (reenactment)

Just a question about the main historical reenactment page, and its treatment of 'fantasy' groups

"Although most historical reenactment groups follow a very loose interpretation of history"

I can't quite put my finger on why this doesn't seem quite right, but I'm thinking along the lines of:

• If a group doesn't take care of their authenticity, do we still call them a historical reenactment group?
• What do we mean by "most"? I'm thinking it refers to the SCA, which is more numerous than anyone else, and if SCA have William the Conqueror wearing plate armour, and SCA are categorised as 'reenactment' (not sure if they define themselves that way) then indeed "most" would be the correct word.
• OTOH, I've never been to a show where someone wore glasses, cotton, black leather, etc. Maybe we're overreaching by trying to categorise so many types of group in one sentence

Ojw 00:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I guess the difference is the one between "professional" groups (basically stunt or theater groups, which "reenact" a very specific thing with access to professional costumes) and "amateur" groups (anyone else). Nearly all reenactment events I've seen so far had people wearing cotton clothes, hidden skateboard or inliner protectors, period-mismatched attire or weaponry, and so on. Heck, in some events I've seen people wearing modern sports shoes on the battle field (especially when the ground was too wet to enforce authentic-looking footwear).

Some events have very restrictive rules regarding authenticity, but while most groups (especially German ones) like to bash other people's inauthenticity, that doesn't mean THEY value it higher than anything else. The general consense is that it's okay if it LOOKS authentic from ten meters away.

As a member of a group whose battlefield colours are red on black, I have to say that while there IS a crowd that tries to be as authentic as realistically possible, most people avoid the insane price (money AND time) of such authenticity. Most people don't have the time (which is especially rare if you're more than just a display or living history group and have to maintain a certain skill level) to make their entire kit on their own (which also happens to be inauthentic for a "knight") and don't have the money to afford a (custom tailored) fully authentic kit (which IS a problem if you can't make a living off reenactment -- which is true for nearly everyone but professional groups). Additionally, egalitarianism and men-only combat groups don't go well together.

The SCA is on the borderline of LARP and reenactment, but I wasn't thinking of them in particular. Despite the inauthenticity I described most groups still regard the SCA as more of a bad joke than a reenactment group (justified or not).

With "most" I actually meant most groups, not most reenactors. Wherever reenactment isn't mainstreamed (everywhere but the U.S.A. I guess), many tiny groups coexist, oftenly without knowing of each other. There are myriads of groups in Germany alone -- most of them are just too tiny to be noticed unless they participate in a larger event. You oftenly only find out about them per hearsay and deeper investigation.

I can only talk from my experience and what I've heard,tho , and that only covers Germany and the UK. -- Ashmodai 03:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd better give my own group the 'authentic' tag when it's mentioned then, if it's a major factor distinguishing them from other groups.

I should probably mention that every amateur group I know in the UK doesn't tolerate inauthentic kit (even down to the types of wood used in eating-bowls, or making people go barefoot if they don't have authentic shoes) which is why I queried the edit about most reenactors don't care. Ojw 20:51, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd suggest "most" -> "many" then. Apparently there are reenactment groups which strictly enforce authenticity. I guess that factor is the main reason authentic and less-authentic groups don't meet a lot -- the authentic ones wouldn't accept the other type at their events and the other type's events don't appeal to them.

As a German reenactor who's mostly been to events in the UK so far (and whose choice of events was based on recommendation), I guess I cannot give an informed neutral oppinion on the scale of strictly authentic versus loosely authentic gear and groups.

Considering how authentic (or rather inauthentic) the gear of reenactors in Germany tends to be in disregard of how much they claim to value authenticity (or rather nag about the inauthenticity of others), I'd wager the less authentic crowd is larger -- probably more so in countries where the reenactment supply is very restricted (many German reenactors get most of their equipment -- especially weapons -- from Eastern European countries or the United Kingdom). If the same ratio is true in the UK, then I guess that the authenticity crowd is still very large in comparison because reenactment is more common there than it is here.

I guess the "A-factor" is a topic of its own, so the article might need a lot of expansion if we want to cover the entire issue. -- Ashmodai 22:18, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Obviously I'd be delighted to meet you regardless of costume, even if our groups have different ideas on the a-word. I do suspect that it is a factor in our groups' respective choice of engagement though... We only know 1 or 2 european groups and they do fairly realistically... (will mail..)

Re: Necromancing

I was reading over the images for deletion page and noticed your comments regarding Necromancing. I was planning on putting Necromancing on the requests for comment page, seeing as that user has been notified (by different people) regarding his apparent disregard for the image tagging policies. I am wondering if you would support such an endeavor, or if you have any other suggestions as to how to get this user to recognize and accept the applicable image policies. Thanks! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 03:03, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

So far most of his contributions seem to consist of unlisted VfDs and untagged images (most, if not all, of which seem to be copyrighted). Of course I support it. Ashmodai 05:07, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I've put up a page regarding Necromancing on RfC: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Necromancing -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 03:02, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for Support Saving User Photo

Thank you for the vote to keep my user page. I was banned here a year ago because a tiny minority of admins decided I wasn't suitable, well now I'm back, and I don't plan on getting banned again. It only took this guy Raul654 a few hours of me being reinstated before he started attacking me with his pals. I'm a lot more defensive now than when I started more than a year ago, that's for sure. Once again, thanks for helping me keep my user photo! Plautus satire 15:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, it's nothing personal. I just don't think it meets the criteria for deletion, especially in comparison to similar images which didn't get deleted or VfD'ed. I think you might be somewhat paranoid and disruptive, but so far I haven't seen anything inapropriate from you. Ashmodai 18:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Important VFD

Please see the VFD for commons:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm. This is of vital importance. This list and others like it are being pushed off of the entire Wikimedia project. It started at Misplaced Pages, where they were VFDd in favor of moving to Wikisource/Commons. Now they are being VFDd off Wikisource (they don't really belong there, since they are not original source texts), with people there saying they should be on WP/Commons, and it is also being VFDd on Commons, where people don't realize that Commons accepts texts (says so right on the Main Page). This will set a precedent for any user-created lists. -- BRIAN0918  22:25, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a memorial Ojw 23:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. Apart from that, I am neither a Commons regular nor do I know anything about the 1913 Great Lakes storm, so I see no way I could legitimately vote on that. Ashmodai 10:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Featured article for December 25th

I noticed you have listed yourself in Category:Atheist Wikipedians. That said, you will probably be interested in my suggested featured article for December 25th: Omnipotence paradox. The other suggestion being supported by others for that date is Christmas, although Raul654 has historically been against featuring articles on the same day as their anniversary/holiday. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-28 08:06