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Domer48

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request concerning Domer48

User requesting enforcement

SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Domer48 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names#No moves pending discussion

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ireland&diff=293728520&oldid=291895789

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Changed the "Ireland" article from an article about the island to an article about the Irish state, in violation of "no moves" -- which he clearly knew about, having supplied a statement at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration/statementbyDomer48

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Temporary block at minimum

Additional comments

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Domer48&diff=293744985&oldid=292273667

Discussion concerning Domer48

• I dont consider that a breach of the ruling. Play on!--Vintagekits (talk) 16:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Reply to user:roux; Says the Anglophile monarchist! Mabye a just tab overeactionary and hypocritical imo.--Vintagekits (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• I have never to my knowledge edited a single article dealing with the whole Ireland mess (I believe I have made some minor edits to Chief Herald of Ireland--that would be Republic Of, not Northern), I left all monarchy-related articles due to a particularly tenacious tendentious editor driving me away, and I would support a topicban for anyone pushing a nationalistic POV on either side--were he pushing a RULE BRITANNIA! position, I would be saying the exact same thing. In addition, thank you for proving my point, because if I were an admin you would have received a timeout for that 'Anglophile monarchist' comment, as it is using an ethnicity or ethnic affiliation in a pejorative manner. //roux   17:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Nominate yerself fer adminje an I'll be shur ta support ya laddie!--Vintagekits (talk) 18:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• • Your comment here is enough for me!--Domer48_'fenian' 17:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh good, so you'll stop wikilawyering then. Excellent! This is good for everyone. //roux   17:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
• I move for immediate topicban of Domer from any Ireland-related editing for one year, based on my thoughts outlined here. It is past time to eradicate nationalistic bullshit from Misplaced Pages. //roux   16:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
• Domer48 knows full well that there is an ongoing debate about the Ireland naming dispute supported by Arbcom at - Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration. It is amazing that he and others made such radical changes without even informing people there or the moderators appointed by ARBCOM to resolve this dispute. Domer48, doesnt seem to think hes done anything wrong if he is unpunished it hardly sets a good example for others who will think they can simply rename articles over and over again without consensus and dispite very clear ARBCOM rulings on the matter. BritishWatcher (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• First off, I was not informed of this discussion! Second, I've not broken any ArbCom ruling. Third, I did not move any Article. So show me were I have done any thing to go against our policies. --Domer48_'fenian' 16:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  • You know, claiming that you weren't informed of the discussion doesn't work very well when the diff above shows you were notified 20 minutes before you made that claim.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Check out the link you gave, saying you gave one doesn't work very well when the diff you did give did not come here. --Domer48_'fenian' 17:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Even if he didnt think he was doing anything wrong he is clearly lying to people here. "Third, I did not move any Article" How can he say that when the evidence clearly shows hes been up to no good. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Really? Then how did I just click on it and wind up at this section?--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

"lying" ohh now that's a bit strong. I didnt do anything wrong! The "evidence clearly shows hes been up to no good" what evidence? Now who is telling pork pies. --Domer48_'fenian' 17:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You are a liar, that fact is very clear. Perhaps you should check ur contributions page to refresh your memory. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

References talk BS walks! --Domer48_'fenian' 17:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Although the edits by Domer48 weren't using the move function, they were against the spirit of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names. In this context, a short topic ban, of perhaps a week, could be appropriate. PhilKnight (talk) 18:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

He seems to be threatening to move the articles again on the Republic of Ireland talk . Can nobody stop him?? BritishWatcher (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

"Can nobody stop him??" - that genuinely made laugh, I expected to hear a "dun, dun, duuuuun!" after that. Talk about trying to create a bit of drama. Relax, chill out and stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill!--Vintagekits (talk) 18:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Well this started a couple of hours ago and yet less than 10 minutes ago he again threatened to move the article again despite being advised not to and knowing there is this on going discussion. Im not creating a drama, i popped on to wiki a couple of hours ago and found the world had gone mad, several editors along with him kept moving the articles all around, even though they all knew about the on going dispute.. Yet still Domer thinks hes done nothing wrong and nobody has punished him for his sins. This sets a very bad example, we will end up with nationalists and separatists running wild all across wikipedia.. they need rules. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

My edits were not against the spirit of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names. Just saying something does not make it so. I've not violated any policy or gone against any ArbCom ruling. Please provide diff's. In addition comment on the RoI article, and explain how I was incorrect with the edit. --Domer48_'fenian' 18:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh you admit youve been making some edits then? Awhile ago you claimed you had not moved any articles, is that still the case or were you lying? BritishWatcher (talk) 18:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

PhilKnight the text currently on RoI is a POV Fork. It is POV inspired, so do you support this violation of our policies. How are our readers to know that RoI is not the name of the Irish State, if the text which explains it keeps getting removed? The current text is against the spirit and violates a whole host of our policies. Misinforming our readers is a major no no. So comment on that before you start to talk about blocks in such a casual manner. --Domer48_'fenian' 18:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The introduction on Republic of Ireland says ". The name of the state is Ireland, while the description the Republic of Ireland is sometimes used when there is a need to differentiate the state from the island" How are people being misled and how the hell is it a POV fork??? BritishWatcher (talk) 18:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll support any solution the Ireland Collaboration produces. PhilKnight (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You agree that no solution which involves misleading our readers would be agreed by anyone? Now, please explain how I went against the spirit of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names, since your the one suggesting blocks. Do you agree that the current text on the RoI article is misleading, and removing the text I added prevents informing our readers on RoI? --Domer48_'fenian' 18:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Domer48

With his edit , Domer48 performed what amounted to a cut-and-paste move of Republic of Ireland to Ireland, in violation of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names#No moves pending discussion which forbids such moves. Since he appears intent on repeating this violation of an arbitral decision, I have blocked him for a week. I will lift the block, and I consent to another administrator lifting it, as soon as Domer48 gives credible assurances that he will not repeat such moves, whether by means of the "move" function or by cut and paste.

Whether a topic ban or other sanction is also required is for the community to decide. I suggest that any further discussion takes place at WP:ANI.  Sandstein  20:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Shutterbug

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Shutterbug

User requesting enforcement

Antaeus Feldspar (talk) 23:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Shutterbug (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Scientology

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Shutterbug topic-banned and restricted, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Scope of Scientology topic ban

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:David_Miscavige&diff=next&oldid=292796506

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

The remedy "Scope of Scientology topic ban" clearly states that "Editors topic banned by remedies in this proceeding are prohibited (i) from editing articles related to Scientology or Scientologists, broadly defined, as well as the respective article talk pages" (emphasis added.) The remedy "Shutterbug topic-banned and restricted" clearly states that "User:Shutterbug is topic-banned from Scientology" (emphasis added.) This edit to Talk:David Miscavige, made on May 30, 2009, is thus a violation of Shutterbug's topic-ban. It was made after Shutterbug indicated awareness that he was among the topic-banned.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

block, as called for in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Scientology#Enforcement by block

Additional comments

Shutterbug may claim that he was not aware that he was prohibited to edit the talk pages of Scientology articles, despite this being stated in plain language in the section "Scope of Scientology topic ban". Even if this claim of ignorance were accepted as truthful, it would not mean that the penalty for violating the topic ban should be withheld. In the arbitration that led to Shutterbug's topic ban, many editors were punished for behaviors that were not specifically prohibited anywhere (such as "over half ... of most edited articles Scientology topics") but which arbitrators chose to constitute as offenses against Misplaced Pages and to apply penalties for. If the Arbitration Committee, after examining this instance of Shutterbug violating a prohibition that was very clearly spelled-out, does not apply the penalty of a block, it will invite questions of why Shutterbug is getting more lenient treatment than other editors.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Shutterbug&diff=293835727&oldid=293637490

Discussion concerning Shutterbug

Comment to Feldspar: tl;dr.. I am not interested. Shutterbug (talk) 02:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Shutterbug

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• Shutterbug was properly notified, it is incumbent on him to ask the clerk or Arbitrators for clarification (assuming he was confused) before editing. Blocked 24 hours. Thatcher 03:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Smith2006

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request concerning Smith2006

User requesting enforcement

radek (talk) 18:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Smith2006 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

edit summary:"Polish Nationalist POV"

same diff, in talk: "In order to pop up territorial annexations.", "to Polonize him is to justify the massacring of German citizens", "to justify Polish crimes after the war."

same diff, in talk, different comment, unnecessary and offensive use of sarcasm: "Eternally Polish City of Gdansk stolen by Teutons, Reactionaries, Prussian imperialists, Hitlerite Germans and Fascists from the Greater Polish Empire from Ural to the Atlantic Ocean", "of course Hamburg will be annexed then by Greater Poland", "all will know that Berlin is "Angela Merkela Zdrój" in the Central provinces of Poland in the voivodeship Barlinski.", "All who deny the Polish identity of Berlin are Nazis and Polonophobes who will be expelled or decapitated in the KZ Lamsdorf"

on talk:"Thank you, Polish Propagandists, for falsifying", "Annexing him as a Pole", "collectively orchestrated Polish Chauvinist propaganda piece", "All lies' brigades for Poland and Annexated Polish Greater Polish History", also unnecessary and offensive use of sarcasm and accusing other editors of "lies"

on talk:"nationalist annexationist POV" "I think we must falsify the wikipedia article on Miroslav Klose also" (offensive use of sarcasm), "Polish publications from a politicized and censoring era", "these falsifications of history, but I am insulted that wikipedia is mutilated in this way"

taunting:"You can report me.", more incivility: "in order to legitimize the annexation and expulsion of Germans", "It is uncivil to falsify history", "Your dirty People's Republic of Poland", "irritated by this arrogant one-sided"

same diff, different comment: "pure falsification", "annexationist attempts", "nationalist POV must be banned from wikipedia"

on talk: "Polonized extremely Slavic-Polish name is based on nothing"

edit summary:"Polish is therefore POV"

edit summary:"Severe Polish chauvinist POV article"

edit summary:"Stalinist 1954 Polish Annexationist "history" is unscientific, like Nazi sources"

additionally, this attitude and incivility isn't confined to Poland/Germany related articles:

edit summary:"This article is not a propaganda article for the Yugoslav Communist Party Partisans or the Partisan views. Stop POV"

edit summary:"Stop POV words"

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Personal attacks directed at individual editors and whole groups (Polish and other editors). Creating a battleground atmosphere. Severe incivility. Offensive use of sarcasm which suggest extreme bad faith in others. Increasing the extent of these offenses after being warned repeatedly on talk , and on his talk page and especially after the notification of sanctions was given by User:PhilKnight

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

I think even without the restrictions notification and the previous case on this board this kind of behavior would result in a substantial block for incivility alone. The fact that this user chose to amplify his attacks after being notified of the editing restriction suggests a much more serious problem. Please note the time stamp on User:PhilKnight's notification and that all of the above violations occurred well after it was placed on the user's talk page. So topic ban and a block long enough to send the appropriate message seems in order.

Additional comments

Note how soon this user pops up again. Notification diff. Also I apologize for any formatting errors ahead of time - first time filing one of these.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning Smith2006

Result concerning Smith2006

Thank you for the detailed report. I certainly agree with Smith2006 that "nationalist POV must be banned from wikipedia". That includes attempts to turn Misplaced Pages into a nationalist battleground, as he does here.

In view of the previous case above and pursuant to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions, I am topic-banning Smith2006 from all Eastern Europe-related subjects for six months. The ban extends to all Misplaced Pages pages, including talk and other discussion pages, and especially to the subject of Polish/German identity. Any violations of this ban can be reported to me or to WP:ANI and will result in blocks.  Sandstein  18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Baku87

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Baku87

User requesting enforcement

Gazifikator (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Baku87 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

BLP violation , nearly all of his reverts are done without discussion, see those for example , , , , , , removes sourced info like here for exemple. Other disruptions include, misuse of sub template for developped articles so that the word 'Azeri' is highlined. See those: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . uncivil comments like

Being reverted for his adding of those stub, Baku87 has gone to create the template Historical regions of Caucasian Albania. It is too much disruptive, Caucasian Albania itself is a historical region and on top of it he add Azerbaijan republic's map on the template and go on to add them in those with the template on Historical regions of Armenia , , , , .

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Baku87 is techincally under restriction even though noone reported him. He has a block logged here, and while Moreschi blocked him for jumping out of nowhere and reverting without participation in the talkpage, he continue doing that.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Misuse of templates, creation of templates for POV pushing and reverting out of nowhere without participation in talkpage is more than some 1RR non compliance, this user should at the very least be blocked for a week.

Additional comments

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Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Baku87

This report seems to be a retaliation for the report concerning Gazifikator for edit warring at Radical Islamism in Azerbaijan, where Baku87 tried to restore the reliable sources, deleted by Gazifikator without any consensus with other editors. Grandmaster 11:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I disagree with his edits at Radical Islamism in Azerbaijan, but we already discussed it at the relevant report . This report is about a large number of possible disruptive edits in different articles, many of these articles I never edited or edited only one time, while his activities there need to be checked. Gazifikator (talk) 11:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Looking over at your diffs, I see no BLP violation here: It was a reliable info from Associated Press that a sock account Onlyoneanswer (talk · contribs) was trying to delete: And in articles like Varoujan Garabedian, Radical Islamism in Azerbaijan, Armenian National Committee of America Baku87 restored sourced information that you were trying to delete. If he was edit warring, then so were you. And I do not understand how creating a template about the historical kingdom of Caucasian Albania could be disruptive. We have such templates for other states. And placement of stub templates was a good faith mistake which Baku87 stopped doing after he was explained that they were not appropriate. Grandmaster 04:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

This place is not for arguing, check WP:BLP section about criticism and praise, there on sure was a clear cut violation, members were blocked or even banned for such violation. The addition on the Armenian National Committee of America was a reinsertion of a SPA account, of over half of the lead against rules. The template historical region of Caucasian Albania fails any editorial guidelines. Caucasian Albania is a historic region itself, it's an oxymoron. And I notice that you have nothing to say about the fact that he added Azerbaijan's map. Your claim that adding the template about Azeri sub was a misunderstanding from his part is innacurate, he did not stop after being explained in his talk and even despite being reverted by yourself, he even reverted you, he only stopped when he had the idea of creating that disruptive template and placing Azerbaijan's map on it. On Radical Islamism in Azerbaijan, he had no idea what he was reverting, as seen in the diff, he added a duplicate material, one following the other (see by yourself), and never discussed his edits except of this one time "justification" of obvious POV-pushing . Enough please leave admins to make the decision, this is becoming soapboxing. In any case, he violated 1RR numerous times. Gazifikator (talk) 08:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The diffs provided are not obviously problematic, at least not to the point of requiring discretionary sanctions. If the diffs represent a pattern of misconduct, the request fails to show this adequately. For instance, it is unhelpful to talk about 1RR without explaining why 1RR even applies to these edits, and by which sequence of edits exactly it was violated. I currently consider this request to be non-actionable.  Sandstein  20:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: As with Sandstein, I am of the opinion that the diffs presented are not indicative of a wider pattern of disruption. However, I am concerned that, of the diffs presented, many of the reverts are being cited as disruptive where they undid an edit by the editor filing this report. Perhaps any wider problems could be resolved by a serious effort to discuss, rather than revert, on both Gazifikator and Baku87's part. I am alarmed at the frequency at which reports are filed under the provisions of Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 by the same old faces, and am beginning to suspect that there is an inability on the part of a handful of editors to work constructively together in this subject area. AGK 14:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

To Sandstein, the members of the Armenian Wikiproject have only reported editors for clear cut disruption, and not only according to the blind 1RR rules. But since you Sandstein do not seem to know what you are supposed to enforce in this particular case, I will show you so that next time, you become more aware.

See here the initial application, as it says as put in place in AA1, and what was put in place was He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism. Further, he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. This was further extended (but still included this) to this, because the previous one was too restrictive.

If you check those reverts, Baku87 did not justify most of them in the talkpage as required by what was imposed; he jumped out of nowhere to revert (for which Baku87 was initially blocked by Moreschi). You can not selectively impose 1RR without the per rule requirement of justifying your revert in the talkpage... or else the 1RR becomes a worthless restriction.

Second clear cut disruption, which fails me, was that you ignored wondering where is the disruption. Check again here. Baku87 has created Historical regions of Caucasian Albania template by adding Azerbaijan republic map on the left side, and started adding this template in the articles where the template Historical regions of Armenia were present. The sanction should be applied when an editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.

• Caucasian Albania is already a historic region, it's not a current state or entity to have a template about its historic regions.

• 'What does the map of Azerbaijan have to do here on a template that is supposed to be about Caucasian Albania?

Here Baku87 has failed to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, he obviously knows that Caucasian Albania did not have the republic of Azerbaijan's map and that also, it is by itself a historic region. On top of that, he for ages refused to discuss his out of nowhere reverts in the talkpage as required by the 1RR rules.

If you are unwilling (appears that for you the restrictions only apply to Meowy) to prevent any further disruption by Baku87, I see no other option than going right to the Arbcom for his long standing content disruptions.

Shall I remind you Sandstein that you dismissed the report here, when just before the other day, it was CU documented that most of those reported there were sockpuppets and who were obviously disrupting. A quick and careful look at the report should have been enough to see that something wrong was going on and proceed to stop it. The ignorance of that report, initiated by your dismissal, has damaged several articles which should, as of yet, be fixed. Be careful next time please. - Fedayee (talk) 17:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Why so bitter towards Sandstein, Fedayee…? AGK 21:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

In response to Fedayee, it is worth noting that the report at WP:ANI that he claims was dismissed for no reason, was filed by MarshallBagramyan (talk · contribs), a puppetmaster himself, who was banned for 3 months for evading his parole with a sock account The Diamond Apex (talk · contribs). So it is very curious that a socking person was accusing others of disruption. Btw, I think MarshallBagramyan's original 1 year rv parole should be made indef after the last 2 blocks. As for his report, he just dumped together various unrelated users he happened to disagree with, and claimed that they all needed to be punished. Some of those accounts later turned out to be socks. I suspected one of those accounts, InRe.Po (talk · contribs), but I failed to correctly identify the puppetmaster, so my report was declined. But that was not the fault of the admins, they need a clear evidence to act on. Grandmaster 04:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Please assume good faith with MarshallBagramyan. MarshallBagramyan never evaded any blocks at all and several admins are aware that it was not sockpuppetry and that The Diamond Apex was not him and was someone who was supposed to replace VartanM who left the project because of Standstein. The rest is private. MarshallBagramyan has not appealed because he suffered Wikiburnout after being victim of massive sockpuppetry, sockpuppets supporting you. As for InRe.Po, your report here was ridiculous, because it was obvious that InRe.Po and the other user had a compleatly different and opposit POV. And it was obvious that your request was to be rejected, you filled under the base that both editors edit seemed similar in March Massacre, the result of your request was to associate him with the wrong editor. What MarshallBagramyan reported was that InRe.Po and you were opposing eachothers in talkpages while in the article InRe.Po was pushing your own POV, MarshallBagramyan has used the word strawpuppetry.

MarshallBagramyanwas was about to fill an arbitration request requiring the matter to be dealt with, but you filed one yourself and it was too late. If the case you requested was accepted the sockpuppetry would have never been documented. From the CUer block log we can assume that InRe.Po and for example Deniz Gokturk are the same users, because they were blocked exactly at the same time. We see from Deniz contributions that after two months of inactivities he came out of nowhere to edit Armenian "terrorist" related articles which was a suspicious recent interest of you and Atabey. Given this, some can assume that InRe.Po was only pretending to oppose you in talkpage. We see even an Armenian name written in Armenian alphabet who was blocked at the same time showing another strawpuppetry issue. It's funny you talk about sockpuppetry when more than a dozen from the user who was helping you on 'Armenian terrorism' were just blocked two days ago. I will assume good faith and suppose that this user who was not editing for two months misteriously became interested to what you were editing and decided to help you. Gazifikator (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi AGK. Don't know, maybe because I overestimated admins a little bit, believing that there are several admins like Moreschi out there. A little sad when those admins are the exception rather than the rule. See here the level of quality of Sandstein's blocks, Meowy was the only one engaged in the discussion, another user for the same number of revert without any engagement in the talkpage as required gets away with it and Sandstein refuses to explain it. When any administrator with any level of judgment would see that Meowy was being baited when his contribution was being reverted without any discussion as required to have him restricted. Despite several users asking for an explanation on Sandstein's talkpage, he provided no rationale (Sandstein's use of admin tools are very questionable indeed).

Your comparison between Baku87's and Gazifikator's reverts don't overrule evidence; Gazifikator was the main opposition from that side and engaged in the discussion of the controversial edits. Baku87 on the other hand reverted for other editors. That, in Wiki terms, is called meatpuppeting. Sandstein also sabotaged a genuine report by a user by dismissing it when what was reported was a real cause for concern. This has been proven later with a massive sockpuppetry case which was documented when all these users were blocked: ShykArkzin, Erkin Koray, ArmenianFromAlabama, A.Abdullayev, ErkTGP, Deniz Gokturk, J.Dain, Mol1987, Rateslines, InRe.Po, Avonosky, April1980, ButlerJim, Generalship, HubrisTN, Gazicumator, ShykMardin, Selda1982, 06singhk, DanyCarvion, Dany L. Carvion, TarikAkin, Jelali, Hadise1992, Tugralar, Kawakli Gewer, Ahmetsaatalti, SavasmaSevis, Mgortago, Անդրանիկ, Osmansdream, Phenuqio1981, FcSphere, AbdulKerim1991, Rush1937, ArgoconianGubekian. Sandstein's questionable decisions was also why VartanM left the project.

Sandstein should leave other administrators to deal with AA2 restrictions because he has shown that he is incapable of using the tools adequately. Hope this answers your question. - Fedayee (talk) 15:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Baku87

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.

Tom harrison

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request concerning Tom harrison

User requesting enforcement

Unomi (talk) 01:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Tom harrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/September_11_conspiracy_theories

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/September_11_conspiracy_theories#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Introducing 9/11 deniers

Relabeling to conspiracy theorists incite to deletion on what he must know are specious grounds further incitement ignoring discussion inexplicable removal of link misrepresenting article

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Topic ban

Additional comments

Tom harrison is well aware of the sanctions and restrictions surrounding this topic, as an admin he should be setting an example and follow the spirit of the guidelines and policies of wikipedia. There are 3 editors, Tom harrison, Verbal and Quack Guru who seem to fail to engage in constructive debate, instead resorting to low grade edit warring and starting multiple issues all at one time without trying to resolve them amicably or acknowledge when an issue has been resolved.

I am here singling out Tom harrison as I feel that he should be acting much more responsibly than what I have seen so far and seems to set a bad example for the 2 other editors. Considering the tendentious nature of his edits and his willingness to depart from NPOV as dictated by sources and collegial discussion I believe that a topic ban is in order.

Initially there was a merger discussion starting here which questioned the notability of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, I provided 9 sources on the 30th of may (which became 7, but never mind) to establish separate notability of the group. But they have so far not been commented on, and Tom Harrison seems to actively ignore them and pushing ahead for a merge.

There was also a discussion when the term 9/11 deniers was introduced. So far analysis of RS show an almost 3 to 1 prevalence of 9/11 Truth movement opposed to 9/11 deniers. These sources or the logical consequence have not been disputed. Yet Tom Harrison and Quack Guru continue to change article text so as to not reflect common usage patterns.

Tom Harrison, user Verbal,verbal also continue to link A&E for truth to 9/11 conspiracy theories rather than the more precise and correct World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories. When asked to discuss the replies were less than illuminating.

Even though he was aware of the discussion and the nature of the change he forged ahead. note the ES.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Tom harrison

I don't see a single bit of disruption on the part of Tom. This enforcement request is a complete joke. The user bringing the request can't even name a single policy or guideline that Tom has broken. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 02:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There does seem to be something a little bit wrong with ] edit. I had a look at the source, and the changes lower down made by Tom Harrison do seem to misrepresent the source. But I agree it seems excessive to call for enforcement. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 02:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

While I would probably tweak the edit, it's hardly evidence of disruption. It's pretty clear that this request is forum shopping. Unomi (talk · contribs) is trying to gain the upper hand in a content dispute. I suggest that Unomi refrains from waisting the community's time in the future. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 03:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment Ice Cold Beer is an involved editor, see my message on his talk page. Also note his bringing user Wowest here for notifying users of a merger discussion. Ignoring arguments in a discussion IS disruption. His actions are quite disruptive Unomi (talk) 03:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Would you please list a policy or guideline he has broken, and how he has broken it? Ice Cold Beer (talk) 03:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see my response to mastcell below, I believe that he has amongst other things, failed to follow the basic principles regarding RS, V and NPOV. Unomi (talk) 11:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually took the trouble of clicking on the diffs provided, and Unomi owes me 5 minutes of my life back. I would strongly encourage anyone reviewing this request to look at the diffs, and then look at how Unomi presents them. Some are edits that I wouldn't have made, but are not abusive (e.g. ). Others are completely ordinary, everyday edits. Take a look at what Unomi calls "incite to deletion on what he must know are specious grounds". Horrifying, isn't it? Then there's "further incitement" (curious, since Tom explicitly says in the diff that he "sees no grounds to justify" deletion, but who bothers to read diffs)? The WTF capper is probably this diff, which Unomi captions "ignoring discussion". If this is the worst that can be dug up on Tom, then he deserves a barnstar for remaining constructive despite this sort of vexatious litigation, and Unomi should probably receive some gentle guidance on appropriate use of dispute resolution. MastCell  03:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Intriguing, "further incitement" (curious that you should read I see grounds to justify it as explicitly says in the diff that he "sees no grounds to justify" deletion). The point is that he as an experienced admin should be decidedly better behaved. Consider the text of the discretionary sanctions regarding these articles :

I believe he has not only personally crossed the threshold but more importantly, that by virtue of his status he has enabled the continuation of improper behavior by editors who might have felt that as an admin he was setting an example to follow. I believe that if you took the time to see how the events unfolded you would be moved to agree. Unomi (talk) 10:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment I will respond in full in a few hours Unomi (talk) 05:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Most of Tom's edits cited by Unomi do not seem too far out of line to me. The particular edits cited do not seem to contribute much to a case against Tom. However, there have been other edits which I have found disturbing, and seemingly contradictory to WP:NPOV. One edit which I found particularly disturbing was this one. In my extensive readings about the 9/11 issue, I have yet to encounter a single instance of someone in a scientific capacity rejecting the claim that there are live explosives present in the dust of the WTC. So claiming that demolition is "widely rejected" seems a stretch, at least when examining the statements of scientifically qualified individuals who have evaluated the evidence in depth. Perhaps this claim is supported by the given reference. It's not easy for the typical reader to find out; as the article is (apparently) not available online. Unless one has a well-equipped library available (I do not), the article may only be available by subscribing to the journal or paying $18 to purchase the article. If it would help resolve the matter of whether or not Tom's edits are NPOV, I'll pay the $18 and find out what the article says. Wildbear (talk) 05:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

As with the report above, the diffs provided are not obviously problematic, at least not to the point of requiring discretionary sanctions. If the diffs represent a pattern of misconduct, the request fails to show this adequately. Indeed, the report is unhelpful by labeling what we must assume to be good faith talk page comments "incitements to deletion", as though deletion of a page were a crime, which it is not, and much less proposals to do so. Making talk page comments that others think are mistaken is not sanctionable. The content diffs provided seem to reflect mostly content disagreements and are, again, not sanctionable per se.

I've now seen many non-actionable 9/11-related requests on this board – both by those who seem to want to present the subject favourably and by those who seem to want to present it unfavourably. All editors in this area, please remember that just disagreeing with you is not sanctionable, and do not report editors who merely disagree with you here. Please make reports only in cases where you can provide diffs that show a manifest pattern of disruption. WP:AE is not a substitute for dispute resolution.  Sandstein  06:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I want to apologize if it seems like I am bringing this here because of a content dispute, that is not the case. I believe I am bringing to your attention behavioral issues which are disrupting efforts to improve an article. I am rather new to this sphere of articles and being faced with an environment that is utterly devoid of efforts of consensus building or plain You know, you were right about this one, whats your take on this then.. is quite depressing. From what I can see there is a small group of editors who consistently stonewall discussions, forcing it into a battleground scenario with low grade edit wars. Unomi (talk) 11:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

• This has to be taken in the context of the wider discussion, are they blatant violations? No. But they do represent a disruption and an incitement for stonewalling and further waste of time and resources. Consider that there has not been *any* discussion regarding sources showing quite clearly a lack of preference for 9/11 deniers, consider that there has been zero discussion regarding the sources showing notability for keeping a stand alone article for AE for truth, although there has been slight movement on the latter today. I do not need to report Tom Harrison or anyone here to 'get an upper hand'; the arguments stand on their own quite well. The problem is that instead of arguing the case a small scale edit war has been started to force these patently partisan and unsupported terms and POVs through. While I agree that Tom harrisons edits taken on their own do not by themselves seem obviously disruptive, they are part a streak of tendentious editing untethered by engaging in discussion with coeditors.

Consider the edit war regarding linking to [[September 11 conspiracy theories rather than World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories.

• Verbal 2009-06-05 06:38
• Tom harrison 2009-06-04 12:26
• Verbal 2009-06-3 20:30
• A Quest For Knowledge 2009-06-02 03:22
• dougweller 2009-05-31 18:59
• verbal 2009-05-31 16:57

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• Tom harris 2009-05-24 12:26 adds as an rs an opinion piece in the form of a review of a bbc documentary, the opinion piece itself has one (1) line regarding AE for truth.

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• 2009-05-23 23:42 jehochman retains] link to World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories
• initial edit by jehochman 2009-05-23 23:41 linking to September 11 conspiracy theories
• somewhat contentious and unreferenced edit by jehochman

Since 2009-05-24 Sources have been requested : Please provide a URL for a "reliable source" which states that AE922truth is a "fringe group promoting a conspiracy theory." The response has simply been to try to make the case that non English sources are not admissible, clearly false.

There should *not* be an edit war over this, it is to call a spade a spade, beyond lame. Tom Harrison and the other editors and especially admins, who have been watching from the sidelines should have stepped in here. Unomi (talk) 09:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Should people who post such requests, ones that fail to show any disruption at all, be sanctioned? Verbal chat 09:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Consider the edit war over the term 9/11 deniers, First introduced by verbal A Quest For Knowledge I reverted his Verbals edit and started discussion on the talk page 2009-05-29. Please excuse the terse nature of my replies but I was at that point quite unimpressed. The answer was prompt but oblique.

• 2009-05-27 11:27 AQFK introduces 9/11 deniers to the article based at that point on 1 source with no prior discussion. It is hard to imagine that he would not foresee that this edit would be contested.
• 2009-05-27 23:22 I revert please note the argument in the ES.
• 2009-05-28 9:02 Verbal reintroduces 9/11 deniers, no mention in ES
• 2009-05-29 16:46 I revert, note again short explanation in ES, at this point I also start thread on talk page.
• 2009-05-29 17:11 Verbal reinserts 9/11 deniers *after* acknowledging talk thread.
• 2009-05-29 18:22 I revert and give warning that 3rd revert is reached and explain that I sense a lack of sources.
• 2009-05-29 18:25 AQFK reinstates 9/11 deniers.
• 2009-05-29 20:49 Wowest reverts and gives explanation in ES
• 2009-05-29 21:41 Tom Harrison reinserts 9/11 deniers, ignoring previous arguments and relies on specious reasoning.
• 2009-05-30 19:25 cs32en reverts
• 2009-05-30 20:09 Verbal reinserts 9/11 deniers

2009-05-30 20:17 IP 76. reverts

• 2009-05-30 20:23 Verbal reinserts 9/11 deniers
• 2009-05-30 20:25 IP 76. reverts

This was also a rather lame edit war, the end I believe came when confronted with the unsurprising fact that sources overwhelmingly show a lack of preference for 9/11 deniers over 9/11 Truth movement, regardless of their stance on the 9/11 truth movement in general. It is true that Tom harrison made only 1 reinsertion of 9/11 deniers, but considering the circumstance it is appalling that he would do so.

There are is another ongoing edit war regarding the interpretation of the following quote:

as well as the rather WP:IDHT nature of the merge 'discussion', but quite frankly I am tired. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unomi (talk • contribs) 11:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC) Unomi (talk) 11:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I notice that you have named several people above without notifying them. I see that my contribution to this 'edit war' (which seems to be you against virtually everyone else) was a revert with the edit summary "no reason given for removal of cited text." I'm not convinced at all that it is Tom Harrison that should be sanctioned here, if anyone should be. Dougweller (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I did not mean to be this case be about anyone else directly, I believe that as an admin he should have stepped in and that he should have a particular clear sense of proper decorum. Unomi (talk) 11:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

To correct one of Unomi's many mistakes, I did not introduce the language 9/11 deniers, and the source was introduced by a pro"9/11 truth" editor (for want of a better term), not in order to denigrate their view as claimed by Unomi. I have not edit warred, and my edits have been supported by talk page discussion and sources. Unomi seems to have problems with consensus and civil discussion. Verbal chat 12:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

You are quite right, you did not initially introduce the term 9/11 deniers, I have edited my comment above to reflect the timeline shown by the diffs immediately following. I am a fairly recent arrival at the article and I honestly do not know who first introduced the source to the article or why. The fact remains that the source was used initially as the sole supporting 'evidence' for why 9/11 deniers should be used. I would rather avoid entering into a content discussion here, but.. either '9/11 deniers' and '9/11 truth movement' refer to the same thing or they do not. If they do refer to the same, then, I believe, that wikipedia chooses the most prevalent name as a rule. If they do not refer to the same then it would be folly to use it as a moniker for 9/11 truth movement. If you have not edit warred then you managed an artful job of convincing me that you did. I would appreciate if you would point out further mistakes of mine. Regards, Unomi (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment Tom harrison (talk · contribs) has tried to introduce "9/11 deniers" in the lead of 9/11 Truth movement at 22:17, June 5, 2009 (aka Truthers, 9/11 deniers, citations), although he must have been aware at that point that multiple reliable sources not only call the movement "9/11 Truth movement", but actually say that the movement is being called "9/11 Truth movement" (list of sources given at the talk page). No reliable sources have been found so far that would say the movement, or adherents of the movement, are being called "9/11 deniers".
The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, Vanity Fair and Skeptic say that the movement is known as the "9/11 Truth movement", the Financial Times, the Daily Telegraph, the National Post and KSL TV say that is is being described as or being called the "9/11 Truth movement".
I have corrected this edit for now, and I hope that Tom harrison (talk · contribs) will refrain from similar edits in the future.  Cs32en  12:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

What's happening is you are persistently reverting to remove the words "9/11 denier", in spite of the citations to the term, and in spite of my changes to accomodate your concerns - "referred to as "Truthers" and occasionally as "9/11 deniers"." Of the two citations I added, one is Farhad Manjoo's article in Salon, titled "The 9/11 deniers". The other citation (and it's one of several others, as you know very well because I put them all on the talk page several days ago) also mentioning the term is to The Sunday Times. So you revert again, removing the references, and then come here to complain? Amazing. I'm inclined to support a topic ban of myself just to get away from it all. Tom Harrison 13:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Tom harrison

Content dispute, not actionable. Unomi is cautioned against using WP:AE in lieu of dispute resolution.  Sandstein  13:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments posted after closure

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I just became aware of this thread. My name was invoked but nobody notified me at the time. I reuqest that Unomi's warning be logged at WP:ARB911 if not done already and they be advised how to improve their work in this area (e.g. proper use of dispute resolution). The case has formal requirements. Jehochman 14:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The only way that we could defend changing 9/11 truth movement to 9/11 denier wholesale would be if sources show a prevalence of that term, the edit you provided is from around 40 minutes ago and to the best of my recollection is the first time you have used 'occasionally as'. I don't know which sources you believe I have removed, please point out where I did that. Yes on the talk page a list of sources was created to show relative prevalence of each term; 10 sources were provided (albeit without urls for verification) that employed '9/11 deniers', 28 sources were provided that used '9/11 truth movement'. Since then there has been no discussion. Although I must say that this is rather creative. Another long thread trying to convince AQFK that WP:NEO does not apply to '9/11 truth movement', one which Tom, you should have weighed in on. Unomi (talk) 13:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? This is not the place to discuss content disagreements. Jehochman 18:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Jehochman, I do not think that any logging is necessary, since the arbitration page only contains a log of "blocks, bans, and restrictions", of which none have been issued here. – Unomi, Jehochman is right, please stop discussing this here, or you may be made subject to restrictions. This thread is now definitively closed, I hope.  Sandstein  18:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

These comments here should be moved inside the archive box, probably in a section "Comments posted after the case has been closed", so that it's clear that no further comments should be made here. As far as I see, Unomi placed his comment outside the box, in order to avoid confusion about the status of his comment with regard to the closing of the case. Unfortunately, this seems to have been understood as an attempt to continue the discussion.  Cs32en  19:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Deacon of Pndapetzim

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Deacon of Pndapetzim

User requesting enforcement

radek (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary_sanctions; the basic issue here is overstepping one's bounds and acting as an "uninvolved administrator" when Deacon is in fact quite involved in Eastern European disputes that the case covers.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

• Deacon placing Jacurek on the Digwuren notice for a vague and arbitrarily asserted "other recent edit-warring"

Following diffs and links show that Deacon is involved in Eastern European disputes that this case covers:

• Deacon is a main party in a RfA that covers Eastern European disputes and was admonished for edit warring on EE related articles
• accuses Polish editors of going on a "smear campaign" against him
• refers to Polish editors as a "bee swarm that buzz in" and condescendingly calls them "tendies" (for tendentious)
• shortly before placing Jacurek on notice Deacon showed up at a bogus 3RR report to call Jacurek a "POV-buddy" of Piotrus
• here in an ANI report he quickly changed his mind about and rescinded he accuses Jacurek of being a "hard core edit warrior"
• Deacon responds to another Polish editor's request for dialogue with an accusation of bad faith
• after an unsuccessful AE against me Deacon tries to drag the matters out by bringing it up again. Several editors and at least two admins tell him to quit wasting everyone's time - note that this is RfA for Eastern Europe

The diffs below illustrate Deacon's direct involvement in Eastern European disputes:

• Deacon always shows up for any major vote on Poland related matters and duly casts his vote
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Jogaila Deacon's involved in a dispute on a Polish-Lithuanian monarch]

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

The above sanction text states: "Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict (defined as articles which relate to Eastern Europe, broadly interpreted". I think the above diffs show unequivocally that Deacon is very much involved in many of the disputes taking place. This alone should be enough to take Jacurek off list of editors under restriction. But just to emphasize the point, in most other cases where a user was added to the list, formal procedures were followed by filing a report at this very board. Deacon circumvented this process by acting himself, in addition to being an involved administrator.

The text of the sanction also states that "For the purpose of imposing sanctions under this provision, an administrator will be considered "uninvolved" if he or she is not engaged in a current, direct, personal conflict on the topic with the user receiving sanctions." - the diffs shows that in several recent edits Deacon has made direct personal attacks on Jacurek by calling him "edit warrior" "POV pusher" and the like.

In addition to removing Jacurek from the list, Deacon should be admonished for abusing his administrative power. It should be made clear that for the purposes of this Arb Enf he is NOT considered an "uninvolved administrator".

Second, Deacon's frequent remarks about Polish editors demonstrate a profound inability to assume good faith in others, make dialogue impossible and contribute to an "us vs. them" mentality. As a result Deacon himself should be added to Misplaced Pages:DIGWUREN#List_of_editors_placed_under_editing_restriction.

The final matter here is that in addition to arbitrarily placing Jacurek on the restriction list, Deacon also unreasonably revoked Jacurek's rollback privileges. This action was very much similar in spirit to how he put Jacurek on notice: 1) usual procedures were not followed (usually the process, per is to bring the matter up at ANI) - here Deacon short circuited the whole procedure and did it himself probably because 2) his removal of rollback is based on flimsy evidence as Jacurek was mostly using it in the way it was intended to, reverting anon vandals and banned users (including user Smith2006 who was banned after a case on this board) - I (though I'm not an expert here) can see one instance of a questionable use of rollback (of Bandurist's edits which were restoring banned Smith2006 edits).

Hence, if possible and since Jacurek's usage of rollback was related to user Smith2006 who was banned after a case on this board, Jacurek's rollback privileges should be restored.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Jacurek taken of list of editors under restriction; Deacon admonished for abusing admin powers; It should also be made explicit that for the purposes of this case Deacon is not an "uninvolved administrator"; Deacon placed on list of editors under restriction; Jacurek's rollback privileges restored.

Additional comments

Notification to Deacon.
 Note: I've done some tidying of the above evidence; it was quite unprettily presented. AGK 15:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Deacon of Pndapetzim

General comment: I would urge the scope of this appeal to be limited to an examination of Deacon's status as an uninvolved administrator; ultimately, the outcome of this thread ought to be either a confirmation that Deacon is uninvolved (and thus a confirmation of the sanction), or a finding that he is not (and a lifting of the sanction). This noticeboard is not suitable for requesting admonishments of an administrator for abusing his powers (as requested at "Enforcement action requested"). AGK 15:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that's fine, although I also think that placing Deacon on the Misplaced Pages:DIGWUREN#List_of_editors_placed_under_editing_restriction is well within scope here. (Also, I apologize for the untidyiness) radek (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Remark: I find this complaint to have substance, and am of the opinion that Deacon is indeed not uninvolved in the Eastern European subject area. Perhaps the most conclusive evidence substantiating my opinion is Deacon's admonishment for edit warring in the Eastern European disputes arbitration case (see here). Absent objection from other uninvolved administrators, I intend to overturn this sanction and defer Deacon to the Committee for consideration for misuse of administrative powers (as provided for in the discretionary sanctions remedy).

We might also have to consider whether any action needs to be taken against Jacurek, although (as above) that ought to be done separately from the consideration of Deacon's uninvolved status. AGK 15:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the evidence shows that Deacon of Pndapetzim is not uninvolved in this topic area for arbitration enforcement purposes. A referral to the Committee may be appropriate. I'm not sure whether there is much we can or need to overturn here, though. The rollback was not, it seems, removed as arbitration enforcement under the discretionary sanctions remedy, so this forum may not have jurisdiction about it under that remedy's "appeals" section. The Digwuren notice could be undone as not being made by an uninvolved administrator, but since that notice references remedy 11, which is no longer in force, it has no authority or effect anyway.  Sandstein  15:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but in my understanding, remedy 11 was superseded by remedy 12, hence the still active list of editors on notice.radek (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I might also add that I have opined on my talk page that the rollback removal appears to be defensible on its merits, because Deacon of Pndapetzim has provided many diffs on his talk page of rollbacks made by Jacurek that were not reverts of either vandalism or edits by topic-banned users. However, given the circumstances, it would certainly have been better if an uninvolved administrator had decided this matter.  Sandstein  16:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking so much time on this AGK ... what's that, 15 minutes. You're being shopped and fooled. Erm ... my "involvement" is in launching an ArbCom case against Piotrus, which led to numerous admonishments and bans of users I'd never heard of. I don't edit in the area beyond the limited extent I edit anywhere, and haven't been in an "edit-war" (if you call 7 reverts in 2 weeks an edit-war) in nearly a year. And although there isn't any good reason to beyond standard wikipedia practice, I never act as an admin on any thread Piotrus launches or comments upon. I've never to my knowledge been "involved" in anything editorial with Jacurek, and it's a bit much to expect me to remain "uninvolved" just because some of Jacurek's allies have engaged in a smear campaign against me. I edit medieval history articles, why am I suddenly involved in WWII eastern European nationalist disputes? Jacurek as far as I can tell edit-wars mainly in Polish-German matters, and I have no experience I can remember in such an area. I of course welcome any feedback on my actions, but removing Jacurek's rollback and listing him in the Digwuren case weren't difficult or controversial decisions ... here are just some of the rollback abuses ...

May

April

March

• (a rollback of Smith way before he was shopped into restritions)

I mean, what was I thinking? I would ask however that Radeksz is added to the Diguren case. He appears to be a one-purpose nationalist account who does nothing on wikipedia but edit-war against German and Lithuanian users (mainly German users), and then go shopping against them. But hey, that's alright, that's natural. Why not go against neutral admins who have sometimes in the past tried enforce wikipedia's first two principles. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Deacon of Pndapetzim

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