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Revision as of 18:38, 16 June 2009

Another proposed task.

I have another possible job for Polbot. I've made a list at User:BD2412/JP1 of articles on Judgepedia that should be imported to Misplaced Pages. I've trimmed out all the stuff that is clearly non-Misplaced Pages material. Can Polbot copy over the Judgepedia articles for which we have no articles, with an edit summary and a note on the bottom (like the one I put on Zoran Popovich) acknowledging the source (per the GFDL)? Cheers! bd2412 T 21:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't know that Judgepedia is free content. I can't find anywhere where they say their material may be copied under any free license, so it seems to me that any imports would be a copyright violation. :( – Quadell 21:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Here it is: Judgepedia:Copyrights - GFDL, hence the source acknowledgment. :-) bd2412 T 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Great! I'd missed that. Okay, I'll look through your subpage and get back with you. – Quadell 02:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Please ignore the blue links on the page, I just haven't gotten around to dealing with them. I'm not sure how to address the disambig pages, but that's a question for another day. Probably a good number of what gets copied over will be redirects, which need no attribution, of course. bd2412 T 02:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. Having gone through Judgepedia some more, I'm beginning to doubt my above proposal. They have an awful lot of extremely stubby articles on people of borderline notability. Could Polbot pick through categories in their category system and pluck out, for example, articles that we are missing which can be found in their "Category:State Supreme Court justices"? bd2412 T 07:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's very doable. Do you want to examine any more and make more recommendations, or do you think it's ready for me to make a bot request? – Quadell 12:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's good to go. Just have any templates stripped out of the articles, as those that JP uses are different from those that WP uses. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I made the request at Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Polbot 14. Feel free to comment there if you like. – Quadell 02:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - is there usually a need for input like that? I thought bot approvals for tasks like this are fairly routine. bd2412 T 02:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Routine, yes... but it still has to be approved by the BAG. – Quadell 02:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, commented. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Bear in mind that GFDL-only content can't be transwikied here because of the CC migration. Stifle (talk) 21:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Appreciation

		The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
		For all you do to keep Misplaced Pages clean of infringements and for your support of others who are trying to do the same. Moonriddengirl 20:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I owe this one to you. :) Thanks for your burst of activity contributor checks today, which have made me feel like maybe it isn't an insurmountable, hopeless task. Thanks also for your generous feedback on copyright issues at various points. You rock. :D --Moonriddengirl 20:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks so much! Believe me, you're just as inspirational. Glad we're taking out the backlog one chunk at a time. :D – Quadell 12:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/LivingBot 11

This bot was approved at the same time an unfinished discussion was underway at Headline hierarchies started by the bot owner Jarry1250 on May 24 at the Village Pump, also an RFC started by Jarry1250 on his own user page User:Jarry1250/RFC. None of theses discussions have been linked/mutually disclosed by Jarry1250. Changing headline levels, a bot operation involving page layout style and appearance, is controversial. Is there a procedure for cancelling approval? I'd be grateful if you could advise me. --Kleinzach 01:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid there isn't a standard way of de-approving a bot -- it's always done on an ad hoc basis. Usually someone complains and the bot is stopped (voluntary or by blocking) until consensus forms. In most cases it's easy to tell whether there's consensus or not fairly quickly. Centralized discussion is good, and as you say, there's semi-centralized discussion in two places. In my opinion, the RFC is a good place, and if consensus is going to form it's likely to do so there. – Quadell 02:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Praise

Praise indeed but I am not always right, or if I am not sure I just keep quiet. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 12:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Further to Marcd30319's cover art violations, I placed a request at Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content#Ice Station Zebra, 'cause I thought it a better place for the specific question, relative to some of his non-free image uses. Perhaps you would comment as I am not very knowledgeable on the overuse of non-free images. TIA ww2censor (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Erik9bot 9

Obviously, you were going to be careful with it, but just thought I'd remind you what happened last time a bot for auto-tagging articles was approved, and the sort of criticism that the approvals process came in for that time. You knew that already, right? Sure. Just... be careful. - Jarry1250 09:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

No, what bot are you referring to? – Quadell 11:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

You mean last time round? Must have been before you became active again. Addbot 16 and then rampant discussion at pretty much every applicable forum. - Jarry1250 11:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. – Quadell 14:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Egmontbot

Thanks for the approval, I won't let you down! :)--Egmontaz♤ 23:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't have, I'm afraid I cannot understand how can somebody else use my bot. I just use solve_disambiguation.py from pywikipedia as I already said! --Egmontaz♤ 23:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

About Template:Italictitle

Seeing how you're planning to run a bot to use this template, I think Wikispecies will benefit from the usage of this template. The template itself looks complicated, but for us, we don't have to worry about titles with brackets to un-italic upon reaching first bracket because for our project, items remain to be italicized within the bracket. Can you help us? OhanaUnited 04:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, sure, I could help you with that. I haven't really looked at WikiSpecies, but I'll check it out. – Quadell 12:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I've been trying to get {{italictitle}} to work at all on Wikispecies, but it employs some staggeringly intricate syntax. It depends, for instance, on {{Namespace detect}}, {{nowrap}}, {{str find}}, {{str find/logic}}, {{str left}}, {{str len}}, {{str len/core}}, and maybe more. I've copied all those over, but I still can't get it to work. Maybe it's a problem with the MediaWiki:Common.js on WikiSpecies? Or different MediaWiki abilities installed? I'm really over my head here. Perhaps someone who understands {{italictitle}} better than me can get it to work there. – Quadell 14:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that was a good try though. I am passing this part over to Template talk:Italictitle#Getting this to work at Wikispecies and see whether someone's got a clue about transwiki implementation. It's plausible that our Common.js is outdated, since we don't have tech-savy people working there. (Comp sci people all think taxonomy is too bio for them, and general public thinks it's too scientific for them to contribute). While I brought this discussion up, have you considered to run this task again, only in Wikispecies? In fact, it should be simpler than Misplaced Pages since we follow a guideline that is quite strict (because we're all scientists). What do you think? OhanaUnited 04:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm willing, but my plate's a bit full at the moment. I have two bot requests open here, plus and older task I'm improving. Bring it up again in a few weeks and I'll look at it. – Quadell 13:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I think for Wikispecies, it should be done directly in the css for all mainspace names and then add templates for the pages that don't need it. A lot less work. Rocket000 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

There should be a way so that only genus and below are targeted. All it needs is some clever thinking and a good programming that executes correctly. OhanaUnited 16:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot to mark unreferenced biographies

Do you think it's possible to use the code that LaraBot is using to mark articles with {{BLP unsourced}}?

It would take a list like this:

1. Silviu_Bălace
2. Doris_Mae_Oulton
3. Branimir_Petrović
4. Bruce_Williamson
5. Robert_Millar_(musician)
6. Roland_Sussex
7. Manfred_Germar
8. José_Luis_Mendilibar
9. Dominique_Kivuvu
10. Luc_Van_Lierde
11. Lorenzo_Stovini
12. Vladislav_Zlatinov
13. Valeri_Popovitch
14. Robby_Steinhardt
15. Jürgen_Röber
16. Michael_Simms_(publisher)
17. Gesine_Meißner
18. Mats_Odell
19. Stephanie_Kulp_Seymour
20. Sean_Compton
21. Bob_Litherland
22. Roya_Arab
23. Frode_Glesnes
24. Themis_Tolis
25. Kenneth_Whyte
26. Marko_Lomić
27. Jonathan_O'Callaghan
28. Heinz_Dürr
29. John_Leventhal
30. Cornel_Frăsineanu

Then it would check for certain headers, <ref, http://, etc. Any thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, we have Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Erik9bot 6. Is that what you mean? – Quadell 14:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, something like that. I wonder where he's getting his lists.... --MZMcBride (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyright cleanup

Thanks, and thank you too. I hope to get at least a good portion of these done before my real life "busy season" kicks in.radek (talk) 05:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Image

Can you take a look at File talk:Susanrice.jpg? It was uploaded by an editor whose talk page I've watchlisted for previous problem images. This one is trickier; I'd appreciate your opinion. Thanks!  Frank  |  talk  12:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I commented there. – Quadell 12:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Why we love commas!

Tell me again how vitally important the issue of comma placement is.

Gladly! Comma placement is important because even though most people don't know all the ins and outs of proper punctuation, they still notice the overall effect. A person who reads a sloppily punctuated document will get a general impression that it is low-quality or amateurish even if they cannot pinpoint exactly why they feel this way. Though, as you may have noticed, my accusers and I have some very big differences of opinion regarding what comma placement policy would be best for Misplaced Pages, we all seem to be committed to good punctuation in general.

Comma placement is a contentious issue on Misplaced Pages because Misplaced Pages's official MoS expresses a preference for what's called logical style, which differs significantly from both standard American and standard British punctuation, though many American Wikipedians have mistaken it for British. According to Finell and the others, every couple of months, someone shows up on the MoS talk page asking, "Why are we using British punctuation?" or "Why are we using wrong punctuation?" Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, actually, for your well-worded and cogent explanation. But have you ever considered adding {{user sar-0}} to your profile? ;) – Quadell 16:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really. Why? :) Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair use stamp sweep

I am continuing my sweep of improperly used copyright stamps under fair use criteria. Perhaps you would like to review a bunch I nominated today at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2009 June 10. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 19:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Good calls. I'm commenting there now. – Quadell 19:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the interest but there are loads more. Perhaps you would have a look at my review of "potentially" good uses on User:Ww2censor/Fair use stamps when you get some time. As far as I am concerned everything not listed there fails the NFCC but has links to the category pages with out useful links. This issue has raised its ugly head on other occasions but more stamps get added, so it is an ongoing issue. Perhaps the NFC should be rewritten to be more explicit. Anything you can do to help is appreciated. I started by just deleting the stamps from articles and then speedying then as orphans but a few editors just reverted, so I think WP:IfD is the better way to go. If there are no objections, it goes smoothly and if there is opposition more than just me will chime in. Do you agree with that approach?. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 20:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds like the best strategy. How many stamp images do you think will need to go? – Quadell 20:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, wow, you're very organized! My compliments. – Quadell 20:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Including those nominated but still existing, I estimate about 170 more for sure though some of the marginal ones listed might still need to go to. The review just seemed like a good idea as this issue needed to be done with some sort of organisation instead of just bulling at it piecemeal. ww2censor (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You are fast commenting on some of the stamp I listed, and nominating some too! Lots more to do but I an not going to do them all immediately. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 20:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I need to go to bed but you are still following on, good job. 20 mainly Canada and India are enough for tonight. I am sure there will be some objectors! ww2censor (talk) 04:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Two non-free stamp questions

Nature of America contains the following 9 non-free images which fail WP:NFCC#3a. How can I nominate them all together? I do suggest retaining one image to illustrate the article which is about the stamps.

• File:1999 Sonoran Desert stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2000 Pacific Coast Rain Forest stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2001 Great Plains Prairie stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2002 Longleaf Pine Forest stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2003 Arctic Tundra stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2004 Pacific Coral Reef stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2005 Northeast Deciduous Forest stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2006 Southern Florida Wetland stamp sheet.jpg
• File:2007 Alpine Tundra stamp sheet.jpg

The other curious situation concerns these UK tax discs used in Velology which are using the wrong template {{Non-free stamp}}. What do you suggest doing with them? They too would seem to fail WP:NFCC#3a if they really are still in copyright and I assume that the 50-year crown copyright applies so the first three might be improperly licenced when they are actually in the public domain.

1. File:Tax Disc (1923).jpg
2. File:Tax Disc (1952).jpg
3. File:Tax Disc (1956).jpg
4. File:Tax Disc (1967).jpg
5. File:Tax Disc (1983).jpg
6. File:Tax Disc (1985).jpg
7. File:Tax Disc (1986).jpg
8. File:Tax Disc (1987).jpg
9. File:Tax Disc (1990).jpg
10. File:Tax Disc (1992).jpg
11. File:Tax Disc (1993).jpg
12. File:Tax Disc (1994).jpg
13. File:Tax Disc (1995).jpg
14. File:Tax Disc (1996).jpg

TIA. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 04:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You're right about the Nature of America sheets and I have nominated them for deletion. If you're curious you can see how I did it. (By the way, are you using Misplaced Pages:Twinkle or User:Howcheng/quickimgdelete.js to nominate these images? I hope you're not doing them manually.)

About the tax discs, I would say that they are {{PD-ineligible}}, but you might want to ask at Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions. All the best, – Quadell 13:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No, not manually: I use Twinkle, otherwise I would be up all night right now. OK, with this edit I see how you merged the nominations by putting a new first heading and removing all the later individual headings. I never thought of that. For the Tax discs I will ask at WP:MCQ though both of us also hang out there so let's hope some others have some opinions. Cheers & thanks ww2censor (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Note this edit too, just to be polite. Thanks for all you do! – Quadell 14:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL!

Actually, this is a first. :D Maybe that's because I'm not Australian and nobody around here knows who she is? Surely, that must be it. :D --Moonriddengirl 17:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

NSCSponsors

FYI: I closed Misplaced Pages:Possibly_unfree_files/2009_May_28#File:NSCSponsors.jpg and tagged File:NSCSponsors.jpg as npd. Not sure if that was correct. – Quadell 17:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not especially correct (NPD is effectively a special case of PUF, so once a file gets there it theoretically stays there), but it'll have the right result. Stifle (talk) 21:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Andrew Peach

I see you've rightly blocked the Andrew Peach page. This was beginning to get a little stressful, as someone (and I have a n idea who!) kept adding he was "best known" for his appearance on the Chris Evans and Jonathan Ross Show.

As an employee by the BBC, I know for a fact he is NOT the regular reader for these prresenters, and is only a freelance cover reader, along with the liks or Ricky Salmon etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.197.232 (talk) 03:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:(3)olurumsanacover1.jpg)

Thanks for uploading File:(3)olurumsanacover1.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Misplaced Pages (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Rockfang (talk) 15:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I just shrank the image, for WP:NFCC#3 compliance. Feel free to delete if it's not useful. – Quadell 16:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You for Thomas Blatt Photo Clarification

I want to say thank you for your input regarding the PD of the photo. The issue was resolved with the original deleting admin after your valuable input regarding Polish public domain law. Since I am new (and not a copyright lawyer), I would not have been able to successfully revert the image without the link you posted on the media copyright page. I owe you one. Thanks again! Meishern (talk) 23:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome! Glad to help. – Quadell 19:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Equality Mississippi

Would it be possible to protect the page (complete protection) for say 72 hours so that a discussion on both ANI and the article's talk page can be completed and people don't have to have multiple tabs open to keep track of Damiens.rf's tag and template additions? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be very appropriate. Unfortunately, I don't think it would appropriate for me to do it, due to my involvement. – Quadell 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind asking an uninvolved admin to do so, cause right now it is an all out edit war with him and I and FisherQueen are doing are best (I personally think she signed off she was so upset) to revert this mess of tags, templates, sarcasm and the like. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll ask around. – Quadell 19:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Quadell, I'm having a problem with Neutralhomer reverting ever single edit of mine at that page, , sometimes with offensive edit summaries.

Please, I trust you to judge the problem impartially, based on the merit of the edits. --Damiens.rf 19:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Keeps reverting :( --Damiens.rf 19:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Please stop trying to make yourself out as the victim in all this. You aren't the victim here, you are the one who has been causing the problems all morning and afternoon. If it were for a couple involved admins, you would have been blocked about 2 hours ago and saved us all ALOT of headache. Now grow up and find someone else to bother and harrass...better yet, go outside, it is a nice day. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This is an inappropriate edit-war, and I believe both sides are acting inappropriately. There are legitimate concerns with the sourcing (and perhaps the tone) of the article, and there are also legitimate concerns with your (DRF's) motivations and tactics.

Damiens.rf, the main purpose for fact tags and COI tags, etc., is to draw attention to the issues so that interested editors can improve the article. In this case, that objective has been accomplished: there is a lot of attention on this article. Therefore tags aren't needed in the short term, unless the problems aren't fixed. I would recommend, Damiens.rf, that you voluntarily refrain from editing the article for a period of time (say, 2 weeks), and simply make recommendations on the talk page. If, after 2 weeks, you still feel there are unresolved COI problems in the article or unreferenced contentious statements, then add the tags back. – Quadell 19:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Quadell, do you understand I tried to have the article fixed solely by talk page discussion? What happened was that no attention was drawn to the article. Hence the tags. Also, notice that the tags only purpose is not to "draw attention" of editors. They are also useful to warn the occasional readers about the possible unreliability of the article. --Damiens.rf 19:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that you made this comment 27 days ago, and then (after no response) added fact tags, making this edit on the talk page]. That's not the problem. (Actually, your fact tags were a bit overdone and heavyhanded, but it's not a big deal.) You'll note that the sourcing of the article has improved much since then, and that's a good thing. My advice remains the same. – Quadell 20:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I will say I probably acted a little hasty on some edits, but I feel most of them were in good faith (mine at least). I would like to say for the record that User:Moonriddengirl has protected the page for 31 hours, until 19:15 UTC tomorrow (16/June). - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• I am going to leave you to this. I am running on fumes (no sleep in almost 24 hours). Please update my talk page with any new information from the ANI and talk page discussions and I will check up on them when I wake up...whenever that is :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Um, ya, thanks for praising me in the vital article thing. Anyway, I have some issues with the Arts section, it seems to me that it focuses on the same gender (males), culture (Western), and time period (the Renaissance), so I'm gonna try to diversify it by adding and removing a few things. About Metro Manila-I think I'm removing Melbourne because of the following:

1. Proximity to Sydney
2. Australia having two cities there despite having a population less than 50 million
3. Same ranking as [[Global city as Manila
4. Manila seems to be a more dynamic article

--23prootie (talk) 22:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Vital articles

I have some issues that should be addressed. I think too much of the same thing might not be a good idea so there should be a standard with regards to gender, culture, time period, and geographical location.--23prootie (talk) 23:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

More stamps

I'm not sure you follow the daily images deletion nomination pages but I was able to rescue a few stamps that were actually free before nominating a few more at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2009 June 16 in case you are interested in commenting. TIA ww2censor (talk) 04:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Writing Systems

Those who have problems using writing systems, because of the specifc structures of the different writing systems are defined as being dyslexic. And it is the failute to match nuerologicla abilitues with the structure of the writing system used by your culture which determines whether you are dyalexic or not. The problems is that none of the WIKI administrators have a clue waht dyslexia is about and how other topics can be causes of dyalexia, I wish i knew how to stop this lack of understanding of the facts by those who should be neutral and willing to learn and research all side of a debate or discussion before they pass an opinion.

dolfrog (talk) 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)