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Revision as of 18:43, 12 July 2009

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Revert

Just an FYI, in case you don't see the edit summary right away, for some reason, your revert didn't work. I reverted my edits for you. Jauerback/_dude. 00:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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DRV

Hey, just be careful with your notifications to editors about the DRV. Unless you intend to notify those who may not agree with you, it can be seen as canvassing, which is frowned upon. Jauerback/_dude. 20:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank's for telling. Anyway, I have not done and will not do anything that violates canvassing. Why should i?? The outcome of the debate] has never been imported to me. The way it has been done so far just stands as an example how you and your friends abuse the system. Iqinn (talk) 00:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Exactly what abuse are you speaking of? I have no friends on Misplaced Pages. Not one. I'm not here to make friends or enemies. I think that you're just misunderstanding... a lot. Jauerback/_dude. 02:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

...misunderstanding... a lot? Such statements could be seen as an insult. But i assume i am just misunderstanding? It's the abuse of Misplaced Pages by special interest groups. For what ever reasons. You know i am the at least interested in the outcome of the AfD/DRV. It's Misplaced Pages as a whole who will feel the pain when facts get distorted.

lol. If you believe that's an insult, then you really need to grow some thicker skin. However, accusing me of belonging to special interest groups who abuse the system is a compliment from you, right? So, yes, you are misunderstanding a lot of things - everywhere from my intentions to Misplaced Pages policies.

I believe you to be a good faith editor, but you really have a lot to learn about Misplaced Pages. First of all, there is no cabal or special interest groups (that I know of) that are determined to see this or any other article deleted. Or to the opposite extreme, I don't know of any special interest group wanting to keep this article (or any other).

As a new editor, you're trying to fit your article into the guidelines and policies because you believe the article/topic is notable to you, but sometimes they just don't fit. It's really frustrating when others aren't convinced of the same thing. Trust me, I understand that. Sometimes it just doesn't work, and in this case it doesn't. If you refuse to see how WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NOTMEMORIAL, and WP:BIO, apply this particular article, then I can't really explain it to you any better than what I've already tried. On the other hand, if you just don't agree with those policies/guidelines, then that's fine. I can respect that. Personally, I don't think her killers deserve their own articles either, but I don't see the consensus on that agreeing with me.

Finally, good luck and I hope you stick around and don't let this experience taint you no matter how much you keep trying to tell yourself that you have no interest in the outcome. Jauerback/_dude. 10:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

←Please do not paraphrase me! What i have said is clear and i mean it exactly that way. I do not have and had never a personal interest in the outcome of the AfD/DRV. No i am Not trying to fit the article under the guidelines and policies. The article is in line with these guidelines and policies. Yes i agree and have always agreed with these guidelines and policies. It is you who want to fit the article under these guidelines for your personal crusade. I have mentioned other policies that should be applied because they fit better in this special and important case.

Why should anybody trust you if you constantly turn facts and words around? To gain a small advantage for your crusade. No matter if it is for special interest or for your personal 'do not like' interest. The truth is distorted what is harmful for Misplaced Pages. Of course i will stick around Misplaced Pages. Looks like somebody is needed to fight vandalism, and you never know at the end i could become your first friend here.

What crusade is that exactly? Nice try on the username report, BTW. Who's on the crusade now? Jauerback/_dude. 16:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back to my page. The more we speak the sooner we can overcome our problems. So where do we start? Mediation...Conflict..resolution. I think it may be better if we could find a third party that could help us out to overcome our differences. Any thoughts on that? Iqinn (talk) 17:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you think we need to resolve. You're going to continue believing that I'm on some sort of crusade, which I find rather amusing, to be honest. Stop with the accusations and bogus reports and I have no problem with you. Jauerback/_dude. 17:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I guessed you are not very keen of consulting a third party. I still believe it would be a good idea but anyway if you do not want. Thats fine with me.

Personal Attacks

Unless you provide specific examples of how I've personally attacked you or followed you around, you need to stop accusing me of this. Unsubstantiated claims of personal attacks or of hounding without any evidence (e.g. diffs and links) are considered personal attacks in themselves. Ironically enough, you claimed that I made ad hominem attacks on you, when it is in fact, you who have done that very thing to me with your accusations about "abuse of Misplaced Pages by special interest groups" and my "personal crusade". Read WP:NPA for clarification. Enough is enough. Jauerback/_dude. 14:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Mahmudiyah

Do you have any reliable sources speaking of a cover up? It seems the easiest way to cover it up would be to not charge the soldiers and keep everything hush, but if you have good sources then it should be added. Otherwise all I can find is several sources citing a birth cirtificate that was never produced, versus several sources estimating her age; I'm not sure unless there is clear evidence that one is right and the other is wrong that we can pick one and leave out the others...? Fuzbaby (talk) 04:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I just evaluated hundreds of sources again and with no doubt Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (August 19, 1991 - March 12, 2006) was 14 when she was gang-raped and murdered. ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]... Do you have any reliable source from 2009, 2008, 2007 that shows she was not 14? The wrongly claims she was older then 14 originates mainly from the early testimonies of the convicted rapists and murders. For example Steven Green guilty on all 17 counts and you can read the 17 counts here. Have a close look at the counts and you will probably understand what i mean with cover up. You can also find more information here, here and here. Do you still think we should not write she was 14 and instead repeat the false statements of the rapists and murders? Iqinn (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources, after looking through them I agree with you. Best, Fuzbaby (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Allegations against Isa Khan

Greetings!

You have added interesting material on articles on my watchlist. After an edit you made to Isa Khan it occurred to me we ought to consider having an article just about the May 2009 report that "one in seven" former Guantanamo captives actively supports terrorism. Here is my suggestion.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 18:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I think this is not suitable for an own article and i do not think it would be a good idea to repeat false statements in an BLP article. Anyway, thanks for asking. Regards Iqinn (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)