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:Just so we're clear on this - it's me that's the POV-pushing moron. CoM has never shown the slightest hint of POV-pushing or personal attacks. P.S. I have a used bridge for sale. Some assembly required. In as good a shape as when it was dismantled 2 years ago. :) ] <sup>'']''</sup> ] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC) :Just so we're clear on this - it's me that's the POV-pushing moron. CoM has never shown the slightest hint of POV-pushing or personal attacks. P.S. I have a used bridge for sale. Some assembly required. In as good a shape as when it was dismantled 2 years ago. :) ] <sup>'']''</sup> ] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::I love ya BB but something tells me that I'll never hear the end of it if I step in to enforce an arb restriction on CoM. For my money that first one is borderline but the second one (it's on his talk page) isn't a problem. ] (]) 21:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC) ::I love ya BB but something tells me that I'll never hear the end of it if I step in to enforce an arb restriction on CoM. For my money that first one is borderline but the second one (it's on his talk page) isn't a problem. ] (]) 21:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::*Come on people--if I can handle CoM's jokes (just look on the top of my talk page) then surely you should be able to also. (The "Dutch" reference in the second comment is to me and to ], which he alerted me to on my talkpage.) I get it if you don't think he's funny, but he's not writing that for you--unless he thought he was being followed. A joke (in a USDA context) on someone's talk page, big deal. Pulling these things out of context really isn't helping the cause, which is to cool things down. That is the change we can and should accomplish, if you'll pardon the terrible joke. ] (]) 04:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not pushing for it. I have faith that he'll eventually hang himself here unless he gets a clue as to what NPOV is about. But there's no rush. ] <sup>'']''</sup> ] 23:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC) :::I'm not pushing for it. I have faith that he'll eventually hang himself here unless he gets a clue as to what NPOV is about. But there's no rush. ] <sup>'']''</sup> ] 23:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)



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Involvement

One of your favorite topics is back at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/A_Man_In_Black/Workshop#Classification_as_involved_administrators. —Kww(talk) 02:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

"attack" page

I just wanted to clear that up before somebody else tried to get a few extra miles out of this pathetic charge by using the old trick which goes "because part of this statement is factually incorrect therefore the whole statement must be invalid". pablohablo. 21:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

no worries. And I had "valid" instead of "invalid" in my post above, maybe it's time for a break! pablohablo. 21:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:NOT

I think when your protection expired, an indefinite semi-protect also then expired. Not sure if you want to semi it again. Hobit (talk) 01:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Formal Mediation for Sports Logos

As a contributor to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/RFC_on_use_of_sports_team_logos, you have been included in a request for formal mediation regarding the subject at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos. With your input and agreement to work through mediation, it is hoped we can achieve a lasting solution. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mediation at WP:FICT

I'm suggesting we ask for mediation to help build teh guidance at Misplaced Pages:Notability (fiction). What I propose is that a mediator be the only person to edit the project page itself and be the one to guide discussion and discern consensus. I've proposed it at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Mediation. As a past participant in the lengthy debates, I'd appreciate your input and hopefully your agreement. Hiding T 10:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Second opinion

Hi. Could you take a look at Iravan, please? Thank you. Kaguya-chan (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Please don't worry about it. Made up my mind :) Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

John Galt

The Misplaced Pages Project: Objectivism made the decision to redirect. Please see the links posted to the discussion page. Thank you. Ollie Garkey (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you very much for your kind words and support of my RfA Protonk. Of course you realize this means you get added to my short list of people to pester every time I have a question. ;). I consider you to be one of the true leaders here, and the support was indeed a pleasant finding. Thank you very much. Best — Ched :  ?  20:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


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wow

You have the patience of a saint my friend. ;-) — Ched :  ?  06:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Do we mean this? Does seem a bit hair trigger, doesn't it? Might be a little unfair because I am ascribing patterns of behavior to that editor that I see in like editors (i.e. editors whose uploads and edits are primarily copyvios). But I've found that ferreting out non-free images marked as free is enough of a drain on resources that an immediate response might be justified.
  • Of course this really proves the 'arc of admin evolution' from cautious newcomer to grizzled vet, doesn't it? In my defense, I'm pretty sure that I've been this cynical since I was about 12. ;) Protonk (talk) 23:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I was thinking of a different thread on the same page. The never-ending saga of Ryulong vs. Mythdon and the battle of the Power Rangers. Sometimes it just seems like there is no end in sight. ;) ... hmmm ... some of that cynicism must be rubbing off .. lol. ;) — Ched :  ?  00:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Leave it to me to assume that praise wasn't praise. There really isn't an end to any of that stuff. Ryu's comment "lol editors and characters" almost sums the whole thing up. The whole FICT debate really took the wind out of me--something so important to the project (but, it should be noted, not important to the rest of the world) and we couldn't end up with a happy compromise on the subject. No real heroes on either side of that debate (just like there aren't any heroes in this new manifestation of the notability wars). Protonk (talk) 00:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll admit that one of the main reasons that I joined WP was to work on Stargate and Star Trek articles. I quickly learned that anything related to WP:FICT could be a "spend your time at your own risk" type of thing - and have since moved on to things like NASCAR and BLP issues and gnome-like work. I did get a link from someone (Phil maybe?) about a newer proposal that wasn't quite as ... ummm... difficult to work with? I'll have to look that up, and maybe see if we're getting close to some agreements on the whole thing. To be honest, I'd likely support ANYTHING at this point - just to get some consensus and move on to building the 'pedia. I usually prefer to "include" or "add" material, but I'd be grateful just to know the rules at this point ... lol.
Ryu and Myth kind of remind me of my brother and me when we were young. Both love the same things, but just can't agree on how to work on them. If Myth would "delete" a little less, and Ryu would "ref" a little more - but, that's likely a a pipe-dream. I guess they enjoy the battle. I'd imagine a lot of folks are rather tired of it though. Nothing here puts food on the table, provides for the family, or even offers any security. I just can't find enjoyment in bickering anymore myself. But, to each their own I guess. — Ched :  ?  07:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Mark Machina

Hello--Rumor has it that there used to be an article on the economist Mark Machina (possibly as Mark J. Machina). As an admin, can you check if such existed and was deleted? CRETOG8(t/c) 21:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope, SlamDiego was the one who told me he thought he'd seen the article previously, but couldn't find it now--or when he created the redirect. So, he's the source of the rumor. (See our discussion.) CRETOG8(t/c) 21:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, nothing links to Mark J. Machina except our two talk pages and very little links to Mark Machina. You might want to ask User:Ryan_Utt--the latter is on his to-do list. He doesn't appear to be active, maybe send him an email? Protonk (talk) 22:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Economic forecast

Hey Protonk, just worked up an article on recession shapes -- my first article in too long. Has economy fatigue set in for you yet? If not, read anything good lately? Hope all is well... --JayHenry (talk) 02:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, actually it's my second article in the last month or so. Also just did one on the Magazine cover indicator. Can you think of anything to add to either? I've been meaning to flesh that second one out a little bit more and need to find some places to link it... --JayHenry (talk) 02:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I haven't done much on wp recently either. I'm hoping to get a big block of time together to start an article on ratings arbitrage (I think there is some material on it scattered here and there in other articles), but I haven't yet. I'm reading a book by Donald A. MacKenzie about financial economics (or, specifically, a sociologist's view of financial economics). Bits and pieces are fascinating, namely chapters on Black-Scholes showing how the practice of finance converged with theory precisely because the theory was inserted into practice. Protonk (talk) 18:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I'd like to thank you for your quick response and contribution to yesterday's request for semi-protection of Physical Education. Thanks again, Peace and Passion (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Wage slavery

The same editor keeps showing up in different guises to in my opinion take possession and disregard (super disruptive) the Wage slavery article. This person has a long history of sock puppetry and disruptive ax grinding on this particular article. Could I bring this to your attention for some kind of action on this issue? Here is a recent comment I made on the talk page in regard to this persons edits... - Thanks, skip sievert (talk) 03:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Good faith

Hard though it may be for you to believe, I haven't purposefully edited anything directly related to Obama (since the restrictions were put in place) and I don't think I've made a single edit of substance to any content directly related to him or his presidency. As president, he comments and has some connection to lots of subjects, so I'm sure it's possible to make connections to some of the many articles I work on. If you ever have a concern you're welcome to note it courteously on my talk page. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, you're right. It is hard for me to believe that you've never edited anything related to Obama. Protonk (talk) 06:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Since the restriction? Yes, that's correct. I haven't edited his article or any other that is about him. And let's be clear, the restriction was put in place in the first place because I refused to back down and let Misplaced Pages be censored by POV pushing morons. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't really care to hear your opinion about why you were sanctioned. Protonk (talk) 06:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, the point of my post here was to let me you know that you're expected to abide by our policies and guidelines. Try to do a better job in the future instead of acting like an arrogant jerk. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the lecture. Protonk (talk) 06:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of "POV-pushing morons", I'm supposing (AGF) that his highly neutral comments about Obama on user talk pages don't count as violations of his topic ban: Baseball Bugs carrots 14:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Just so we're clear on this - it's me that's the POV-pushing moron. CoM has never shown the slightest hint of POV-pushing or personal attacks. P.S. I have a used bridge for sale. Some assembly required. In as good a shape as when it was dismantled 2 years ago. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I love ya BB but something tells me that I'll never hear the end of it if I step in to enforce an arb restriction on CoM. For my money that first one is borderline but the second one (it's on his talk page) isn't a problem. Protonk (talk) 21:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Come on people--if I can handle CoM's jokes (just look on the top of my talk page) then surely you should be able to also. (The "Dutch" reference in the second comment is to me and to Vrouwekerk, which he alerted me to on my talkpage.) I get it if you don't think he's funny, but he's not writing that for you--unless he thought he was being followed. A joke (in a USDA context) on someone's talk page, big deal. Pulling these things out of context really isn't helping the cause, which is to cool things down. That is the change we can and should accomplish, if you'll pardon the terrible joke. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not pushing for it. I have faith that he'll eventually hang himself here unless he gets a clue as to what NPOV is about. But there's no rush. Baseball Bugs carrots 23:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Barnstar of Good Humor
I, Emily (AKA I dream of horses), noticed this and hereby announce that you have a wonderful sense of humor about something that you apparently a strong opinion about. I dream of horses @ 19:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, now you have something to remind you to be cool. :-) I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 01:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Concern

I came across this page while doing some recent changes patrol and tagged it as {{db-person}}, but it also violates WP:CHILD and gives out WAAAY too much information. Could you delete it for me quickly? - NeutralHomerTalk04:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. - NeutralHomerTalk04:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
No prob. Protonk (talk) 04:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)