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User talk:Jack Merridew/Notice

Template-y thing

I was going to do this myself but got intimidated by lots of scarey words on editing templates — I would so much like this:

If you look at this template:

{{BirdTalk}}

it lacks a direct link to the discussion page of the birds wikiproject:

like this one:

{{WikiProject Fungi}}

does for wikiproject fungi. Only a minor thing but can be an arse when I have a slow connection. I'd be grateful verily. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You just need to edit the "MAIN_TEXT" of {{BirdTalk}}; it's protected, so you have some choices; you do it, comment on the exact text you want and unprotect it for an hour... Why is it protected, anyway? The vandals hit more birds than fungi?

fyi; best comment I've seen today.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

OK - have unprotected for six hours. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done — You were gonna be up for six more hours? Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

great, thx - doubleplusgood. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, Jack Merridew 12:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

                                       

User:Daedalus969

Jack... Just some advice. While you may well be within policy to remove things from your talk page, it's not really a very friendly way to handle messages... you may find it better to neutrally say "thanks for the input, I will consider it carefully" and leave the message, instead of sparring with others with snarky removal summaries as you've been doing with Dae. Try not to let people get your goat. In some cases that is exactly what they want. Don't give them the satisfaction (or the ammo to use later). I've suggested to Dae that their approach isn't likely to be effective. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 16:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, digging around to try to find the backstory, I got a chance to read some of the posts to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/DougsTech around (before and after) this one. You both leave the impression that you need to grow up. "Sneers", "Jeers", "What the hell is your problem" ???? Completely inappropriate. You both know better. Knock it off. ++Lar: t/c 16:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure. I'd disinter those posts except that it would likely only serve to reignite that tiff. Ryulong already issued trouts all round so we all get a nice healthy meal. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

p.s. +An Enemy of the People

• http://durova.blogspot.com/2009/05/maturity-test.html
  I passed ;)
  (although 7b might be correct in the case of some Pokemon articles; not watching those, so my opinion is OR)
  Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Namibia-geo-stub

• {{Namibia-geo-stub}}

Hi,

Actually, it wasn't a good edit. You took the template and incorrectly changed the category from a more precise one (Category:Namibia geography stubs to a less precise one (Category:Namibia stubs). If you disagree, feel free to discuss it at wp:WSS/P. As for other edits, I will go back through your contributions now and look for similar edits to correct. Thanks for the heads up.--TM 15:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh. That part was inadvertent; a copypasta goof from one of the others. Please fix that part and keep the rest of the changes on those templates. I'll check stuff tomorrow. Off, it's late here. Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed it and four other where I made the same mistake. Thanks for catching this and bringing it to my attention. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Bacon, Egg and Cheese sandwich

I have nominated Bacon, Egg and Cheese sandwich, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bacon, Egg and Cheese sandwich. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. ~fl 10:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:BRC

Thanks for cleaning it up! لennavecia 14:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Still has icky font-elements in there. And your sig needs single quotes on the multi-word font-name (fixing above, see this edit).

Proximate issue with your page was that the sub-tables did not necessarily fill the parent table resulting in a ragged-right look — which wasn't pretty.

Anysways, there are too many tables in there; divs are good.

I aw you comment that you had no arbs in BRC; no soks either, I expect.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks for fixing my userpage!

Thanks, I didn't notice that. I thought it was free, but I won't again. ⊕Assasin Joe 18:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

sigh

Could you knock that off, please? It's really not helping. I know I'm hardly one to criticize being snarky, but it's well past time to de-escalate. Give me a cuff upside the head if I'm being a hypocrite, but do save the snark for the appreciative and not the hostile. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 09:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Uh, welcome back ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

See also

tag and wag. You can't make this stuff up.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack - that AfD page seems not to be displaying correctly, can't see why. The last few posts from Colonel W onward I can see in edit view but not on the page proper. Any ideas?  pablo_hablo. 12:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I works for me; the bottom posts at the moment are the two delsort lines. I just did a purge; try again. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Notability (fiction) flowchart

Do you have the means at your disposal to convert File:090427 Fiction Flowchart.jpg into a linked flow chart based on Wiki markup along the lines of Template:Pantheon of Dragonlance? I might be able to manage it myself, but I suspect it would take me a long time. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 10:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yikes! There's a reason that's in Category:Intricate templates. I'd go with the image and a more readable typeface. I don't think you'll get good results using a tool designed for family trees to produce a flowchart; it would seem that there's just not enough need for flowcharting on-wiki for a suite of templates to have been developed. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Telepathy and war edits

Hi, thanks for showing interest in the article. I've left a note on the article discussion page re the "prune" banner. The article has already been severely pruned and at this stage is in a state of rebuild with more citation and referencing preferred. More input is great but I would rather discourage pruning right now. Frei Hans (talk) 11:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You have your point of view there; that’s obvious. I've already opined that the article should be pruned right down the memory hole. Thanks for providing the impetus for {{prune}} — an overdue concept. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

{{prune}}'s a fine idea. Which reminds me - is there a WP equivalent of this template?  pablo_hablo. 12:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought so; needs to be put into use more. (There can’t be only “Teh One.”) Other one would make sense, too, but would needs a few tweaks. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Viz Pablomismo message - Clearly Unencylopedia people dont ever watch wikipedia afds enough :( viz the box For those without comedic tastes, the so-called experts at Misplaced Pages have an article about Bullshit.SatuSuro 12:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

{{bullshit}}, anyone? Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Heheh I was sure I have seen 'BS' at an Afd somewhere once - but I might be remembering wrong SatuSuro 12:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Prime candidates for prune would the greatest hist list at http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:LongPages SatuSuro 12:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

At Play in the Fields of the Lord

Before you do too many more of these: The correct disambiguator would be (novel). The clarifier (book) is usually used for nonfiction books. Cheers --ShelfSkewed Talk 13:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll revisit them; (book) will end up as a redirect. I see you got a lot; got this one? I've few with me (Bali). It was quite some time ago that I read this. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I read Far Tortuga a long time ago and enjoyed it, but not enough to become a big fan. I think I've got a copy of At Play around here somewhere, but I haven't read it. Cheers, --ShelfSkewed Talk 14:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've just tweaked the redlinks. I don't think I read any of his others; it was one of my mom's books, I think. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

webkit finangling

Ta (once again) for tweakage - I tend to use Firefox all the time nowadays, hadn't noticed that the rounded rects didn't work in Safari.  pablo_hablo. 22:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

no prob; just know that the radius doesn't work correctly in webkit when the borders of different sides are different widths. also, webkit underlays Chrome, too. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Cquote

Hi, thank you for your message. Unfortunately I don't have much time to dedicate to resolving this issue, I hope it will be repaired soon. :)

Regards, Delhovlyn (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've looked a bit but am not sure where this went; Thanks for the reminder. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association

The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here

• User:Peter Damian/Established Editors - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here

• User talk:Peter Damian/Established Editors#Other nominations

If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

• User talk:Peter Damian/Established Editors#Other nominations

Please put all discussion here

• User talk:Peter Damian/Established Editors#Discussion

Peter Damian (talk) 10:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll give it a look and see where it goes. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - do you accept the nomination or not? To be elected, you have to accept nomination. A note on my talk page will be sufficient.Peter Damian (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I said I’d see where it goes, and it did; fwiw, I’d have opined “keep” if I’d had time to read everything before it closed. I’m at UTC+8 and much shite goes on while I sleep. I think you have some interesting ideas and motives here but possibly not the right solution in-hand. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You confuse noobs

Your not blocked, but you say you are. Many noobs will not see unblocked indefinitely and will think you are blocked. Just saying, Programmer13_{What I do} 16:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I never said I was blocked, I said I'm a sockpuppet — there's a difference. “Noobs” are inherently confused, so no-worry. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Revert

Thanks! --EEMIV (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem; looks like he ran amok after that and his head's now in the basket. teh vandals — day're -so- boring. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

A challenge then

Ok, here's a challenge. I have seen userpages with an online/offline variable which editors click when they are (surprise surprise) online or offline. I was musing on a variation of this for the user talk page. An online one where the variable resulted in the page being pale blue, maybe with clouds and a sun, representing 'day' (some form of underlying sky image under writing), and an offline one which had a dark underlying image (night sky) with maybe owls and moons or something, and the script was coded to go white. Something like a prologue subpage but had its parameters over the whole page. Make sense? Speaking of which I am off to sleep (again). Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That would be things like {{statustop}}, which Rlevse uses. It's basically a switch statement and what you're thinking would entail several of them; one for each element you suggest. They would be buried in templates or user subpages. Changing background and border colors would be fairly straightforward — see user:roux and purge it a few times. Smallish images as ornaments would work about the same way. There's an issue with doing a large background image/colours of the “night” variety; we can set the text colour easily enough but the link colour is set by the site css and the only way to change that locally is to wrap the link-text with something that tweaks the color; i.e. every link and sig on the talk page. For this reason the faux background-images and background-colors have to be ones that look reasonable with standard text over them; also, since these are not really background-images, they don't repeat (“tile”) so they won't extend down the page.

My own musing; you're making an offline-at-night assumption; late night, at least. What about users on the benighted side of the planet from our region? You'd be showing them the night and the moon during their full daylight. We have {{CURRENTHOUR}} but not {{CURRENTLATITUDE}} per this (and the math would get messy anyway) — see mw:Help:Magic words. I structure user pages with the layout and technical glue in the page proper and split off the actual content into subpages; User:Jack Merridew/Body text, for example. I still typically have some xhtml in there, but it's minimal and could be lessened. I've not done this on my talk pages, but could; they tend to work a bit differently due their open-ended nature. I probably should be factoring-out things like colours to subpages for maximum flexibility; once there, using a switch is easy. My talk page editnotice uses a switch to offer a different quote each time; there are a dozen in there.

Implementing this sort of thing will not be as simple as adding a bit up top; there will be pieces scattered about; top, site of each image, site of wallpaper. Another route would entail doing this via a script in the Misplaced Pages:MediaWiki namespace, which I'd need to be able to edit ;). In effect this would amount to revisiting the skin options which have been static for a long time. I tend to opt for custom local solutions rather than for building generic tools for the proles to coat tail on.

Thanks for the idea; I'll marinate on practical techniques.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman

Hi Jack, can you please back off this user for a while? I've noted that of the last 5000 edits to Talk:Main Page, you have precisely two. Combine that with your statement/threat to EHC that they would "go on your watchlist", the fact that your comments appeared in response to a thread EHC started, and the unproductive tenor of your comments - well, I'm sure there's no need for me to start using any alphagettis I can pick out of the soup.

If you have ongoing concerns with the editor, please bring them to me as it seems I may be better at patient and friendly education. At the very least you could try waiting until there is even a hint of evidence of disruption, and even then you could still try the ol' patient-and-friendly. Alternatively, compile an RFC/U or post at a noticeboard asking for sanctions. Please don't continue in a course which appears to be application of "one man justice". Regards! Franamax (talk) 20:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I answered you on Talk:Main Page. What threat? Even Emmette apologized for calling it that. Every page I edit goes on my watchlist — at least until I prune it back. By all means take the lead with Emmette. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack, if you have ongoing concerns with me, please bring them up with Franamax.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Emmette, don't look at the above as a get out of gaol free card. If you don't want my attention, you might try not lighting up my new messages notice. Jack Merridew 08:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Userpage (rounded)

Made the change, can you check if OK. --Stephen 23:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It works for me ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:)

Wow, and Commons too. Thank you, sir. Your kindness astounds me. I give you a happy memory in return. - Josette (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool ;) it'll fit the narrow roads of Bali. Enjoy — and check Commons, again. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice. - Josette (talk) 05:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

s:user:Josette was just hit, too. ;) Jack Merridew 05:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

For fixing any errors I may have had.— Dædαlus 06:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

may have? — “px” in an html attribute, width="70px", is always wrong. Regards, Jack Merridew 06:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Book icons

They're still there! --MZMcBride (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ya, I know; things got hung-up on the rtl vs ltr issue. That seem as sorted as it's going to get for the time being. I think the page should be synced as is. I'll review it again and may ping someone to do it. Then we look forward. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello, Jack Merridew. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Harassment by user User:Jack Merridew. Thank you. — Dædαlus 09:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

well - that was the thread before I changed the name.... I'm sure you'll find it if you want to, you little shit. ;-) Privatemusings (talk) 09:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I found it ;) Sneers, Jack Merridew, who's not a “little shit”, he's a fucking-sockpuppet. 09:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

you're a fucking sockpuppet too? outrageous! Whatever is the wiki coming to? Unfortunately, I'm going to have to block you when you go to sleep for a bit because you said 'fucking' - I trust you'll agree with me that this is per longstanding policy and tradition. Privatemusings (talk) 09:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm a Notable Dick, too. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Programmer13/Vandalism Patrol#Election

We've started the election Abce2|Aww nutsWribbit!(Sign here) 00:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can run! Abce2|Aww nutsWribbit!(Sign here) 12:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed. Please fix your sig and note that I disapprove of {{talkback}}s. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Adults should not tease children. :) ++Lar: t/c 14:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The fellow there that caught my attention is in the US Navy; they still taking powder monkeys? Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Tom Nash

FYI, I did not create the Tom Nash article - I merely moved it to a different title - and have no opinion about whether it stays or goes. But I don't think the article's existence hurts anyone provided it is not titled "Tom Nash". Str1977 12:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

These articles have messy histories; I had not seen that and the note you got was an automajic one. I do agree that such things, if kept, should be at qualified names. I've noted your move at the AfD. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I see that the history look as if I created the article. When I looked at it half an hour ago, I was surprised to find this character of which I have absolutely no knowledge. I was expecting the wrestler, though I had no memory of ever creating an article about him (and my memory was correct). Str1977 12:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it; there are about 140 articles about nada, er, fictional characters in this soap opera. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The Hugo Deletions

Hey Jack, I have zero problem with you nominating characters from Far and Away or whatever that show was for deletion. I explicitly closed that AFD in a manner that they could be reopened. That being said, more controlled does not mean individual AFD's. I would suggest doing so in clusters of like 5-8... that way we can better determine if there are any that are worth keeping. My guess is that out of the 140 characters they are probably a dozen worth keeping. By noming them one at a time, it looks pointy.---Balloonman 02:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. It's been my experience that multi-article nom never work, so I though chipping away at obvious ones would be a good start. I've by no means looked at most of these and really don't want to. There *may* be a dozen or so characters that warrant an article, but I doubt any of the folks behind the ones I've looked at produced good articles. Never seen, or heard of, the show. I'll see where the 7 I nomed go and we'll take it from there. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The people who care the most have finally started discussing this at the Home and Away page in a constructive manner. This is a huge mess. What I hope for is that the people who care (which isn't us) will decide to simply redirect everything to the main article and get rid of the 130 or others via a redirect or something. Right now... argh... BTW sorry if I came across overly strong. I was a little frustrated about this last night.---Balloonman 13:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear, and don't worry about seeming harsh. It's my experience that redirects don't work unless they're protected. Anons wander about undoing them later and the crappy articles are back until someone runs a weed-whacker over them again. We need a CSD criteria that covers this sort of stuff. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, the other option, that I would support, is if the people who care decide to create a single article, then we can delete these articles as G6 uncontroversial deletions or prods. I really don't want to send these through AfD if the parties that matter can agree as to how to handle them.---Balloonman 14:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be better than a mess of resurrectable redirects. I have no idea who the folks who care are (or why; not asking). Didn't someone comment in the big AfD about anons and throwaway accounts? I've certainly seen that elsewhere. Anyway, I think I should go look at the AfDs I started and see how they're going. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Frei Hans

I know I asked you to stay away from me, but I thought you might want to know that Hans refactored your post. I reverted and left a warning.— Dædαlus 08:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jack. I'd like you to know I appreciate your efforts here. Hans has complained about the "what the fuck" in your last post. Perhaps you'd like to replace it with simply "WTF" in deference to his sensibilities. That should address the issue, until he's blocked - which is the only way I see this ending unless he changes. Verbal chat 08:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh see above, sorry for making that annoying orange bar appear twice for no reason! Verbal chat 08:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

@both; He's still here? I'll go look. I am free to say “fuck” in that context; for Christ’s sake we had the word cunt on the Main Page yesterday; see “Recently featured”. @Verbal; you need a sig fix; the colour is not spelled “grey” it is “gray” and both of you should get rid of the deprecated font-elements. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC) (Vote For Lar! User talk:Programmer13/Vandalism Patrol#Lar)

How dare you! :p Thanks, Verbal chat 10:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind

Placing what recently happened with Frei Hans on the request for comment on him? I would do it myself, but you know how this started, I just came in later. Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 09:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

If he is not indef-blocked by tomorrow, I will. I was involved concerning the Telepathy and war article and the AfD; I didn't see the aftermath or the sock-allegations until it all blew up. fyi, vote for Lar before the scuttling charges are blown. And you need to fix your sig; 3 digit hex-abbreviation are invalid in font-elements and they're deprecated anyway. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh? What about the 3 hex-abthings? I'm sorry, I dont know this kind of stuff.Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 09:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

See this very edit; and I'll comment on your talk page. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent drahahamazzz

I think I will attempt possibly unsuccessfully! to withdraw. I have a sneaking suspicion that we've been had by an attention-seeking goativore. Malicious, misguided or pathologically unable to get the point, the effect is much the same.  pablo_{no soy chupacabra!!!.} 11:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ya, we've been trolled long enough. fyi, I've put one of my meatpuppets on the indef concern. We're at the dénouement. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

(sigh) I need some more indonesian article ideas for this --> User:Casliber/To-Do#Potential_DYKs <-- or better still, work some up for DYK. I think there needs to be a ceasefire from trench warfare before something bad happens. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Uncle Tom Cobley and all

Neat! These will be popular. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Heh - I stole the code from someone who knows what he's doing!  pablo_hablo. 07:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jack

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Given to Jack in recognition of his efforts in helping clean up a very messy corner of the project. Sarah 14:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping with the Home and Away mess, nominating AFDs, tagging, cleaning up and so forth. Much appreciate your work. Unfortunately Home and Away is just the tip of the iceberg as a similar thing has been done to Neighbours character articles, too. :( Cheers, Sarah 14:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Terima kasih/Sama sama (thank you/same to you in bahasa Indonesia). I've commented on this general issue for several years; several ArbCom cases come to mind and you might like several oldids of my userpage; the top-banners.

We need a policy shift; a CSD.A7 for fictional characters. The cruft grows back as I seen you've comment. Ask me about plowing snow some time; hint: you have to angle the blade to make forward progress. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

all characters, or some, and how would you distinguish what goes by speedy and what by AfD. A7 reads "claim of importance" and asserting that the subject is a character in a major fiction is at least a weak indication of importance--not enough to keep, but enough to prevent speedy under this general rule. You would need a new criterion. We did this for recordings, (A9), because it was possible to find very narrow standards. I was skeptical, but that one seems to work. DGG (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've not got a specific wording in mind. The word I was thinking when I posted the above is “unremarkable” which isn't in CSD.A7 but is used in the dialog that WP:TWINKLE offers. No, I was not thinking all fictional characters, or even all TV characters. However, most of those characters *are* unremarkable and are best covered in a list — and listing name/actor/period will do for most. The two “works” are soap operas, for crying out loud; there is very little *import* involved here. The fans have gotten fairly adept at the boilerplate first sentence assertions, but said “articles” dive right into in-universe mode after that and amount to a blight on the project. A correct assertion that a fictional character appears in a remarkable work is an assertion of importance; a correct assertion that a fictional character appears in a ridiculous work will attract withering attention from editors who believe the bar should be set above grade, not six feet under. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jack. I was just wondering if you might be willing to hold off on the multiple noms. I know I did it already in that mass nom, but it was flawed, and individual mass noms isn't much better. Please see Talk:List of Home and Away characters. Progress is being made. Please allow us the chance to see what we can do of the articles before you AfD them. If not, though, would you perhaps consider not nominating as many at the same time? It's a lot of pressure to see what can be found for 10 articles, and then incorporate them all.

I'm not saying I disagree with most of the AfDs, in the end. It's just that there's so few people working on the articles in question that there's simply not enough time to do what's necessary. Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  08:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I nominated about 10 out of 140 over the last 3 days or so which doesn't seem like too many to me, given the scale of the problem. I've not looked at the talk page you gave. Last I looked at the ones I nomed, it looked like most were heading as I suggested. As you found out, multiple noms never fly. That said, I'll see where these go before doing more from that show. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I must admit I hate both Home and Away and Neighbours, but I can assure you its McDonald's-like popularity for whatever god-beknown reason means that there'd be oodles of drivel which could provide a stack of commentary and out-of-universe references at just about every newsagent and bookstore in Australia (and England). And, no I really really wouldn't be keen to find referencing on these characters. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle and Home and Away

Hi Jack,

I noticed you made a handfull of edits yesterday concering Leah Patterson-Baker. (, , , ), claiming it was a deleted article. Er.. It's not. In fact you edited the article yourself, just six minutes later ().

I see you use Twinkle a lot, now usually it's no problem, but Twinkle is not an automated tool. Slow down and check your edits, because in this case you've done a bit of damage. I'll leave it to you to revert the edits, please try to go easy on the Twinkle and Home and Away stuff in the future.

Cheers, — Deon555_{I'm BACK!} 13:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Check the logs: . At the time, the article *had* been deleted and was at another title. Those soap articles are pure crap and I'm not easy on such things. Jack Merridew 13:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Waterloo Road (TV series)

Hello. Perhaps you would like to sprinkle some of your magic on the many descriptive articles relating to this show. The JPS 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

• Never heard of it: Delete ;) I'll have a look as I have time... life has gotten busy. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

  Cool, cheers. For your records, the template is here: {{Waterloo Road}} Take a look at the many character articles, and Waterloo Road Comprehensive. The JPS 10:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

  fyi, both links were already visited ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

teh Vandalism Patrol redux

Thanks (I guess...) for this. I actually grabbed the code for that from another page that had overflow boxes, so there is at least one more page out there with the same problem.

On another note, what do you think of the new "Vandalism Patrol" (I don't really like that name, but I'm not really creative enough to think of a good one...)Drew Smith What I've done 22:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

You might want to apply that fix to whatever page you snagged the inset scrollbox code from; such malformed code should be fixed on sight.

See here for where this is going in a day or two. As I said before: Bad Idea™ — General Lar will opine on this; he iz seriouz Steward. The best thing you could do at this point would be to CSD.U1 tag it ({{db-u1}}) yourself and move on to better ideas. See also: WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Jack Merridew 05:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

You're still dead set against this? It's no longer a beuracracy, no longer presuming power where no power was given, and it is no longer a club. It is essentially the same as the service awards.

And I have no idea where I got the code... Might have been the doc page for {{convert}}... but I'm not sure.Drew Smith What I've done 06:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I see nothing good or appropriate there. And I'll grant that I have a dim view of Misplaced Pages:Service awards, too, as, it seems, do you:

• Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Service awards (2nd nomination)

You took some flak in there and should heed the advice on offer. Blanking Larry's bling was not a keen move, either; see the poem at the top by E. E. Cummings next to starry night? It's from from his wife.

• Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Programmer13/Vandalism Patrol have another read; specifically, Larry's comment.

I did find and fix a use of that same bad code; I noted two other instances in archives and skipped them (I was tempted;).

Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I Reckon there's at least one more instance of that code somewhere out there – wherever it was that I copied it from! Had no idea there was a problem with it. Anyway, best of luck chasing down the rest! :-) --Red Sunset 14:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Drew, et al: Stripping out everything but the service level awards helps a lot in my view, but there will still be resistance to it I expect. Keeping score just isn't a good idea in general, it promotes the wrong sort of behaviors. (I share Jack's dim view of Misplaced Pages:Service awards too) Instead of racking up "point counts" reverting vandalism, why not work to change the environment such that vandalism is demotivated. Start by supporting Flagged Revisions and liberal semiprotection of BLPs, if you don't already. ++Lar: t/c 18:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

No way. Misplaced Pages could not have possibly grown so large if it had flagged revisions when it started. Institute flagged revisions now, and all but the most dedicated will slowly leave the project. As for keeping score, you may not like it. Other people do. Go spoil someone elses fun. No one is claiming that a "high score" makes them a better editor.Drew Smith What I've done 11:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Chipping-in, since I'm your host; flagged revisions might well have served to rein in the indiscriminate creation of a great many inappropriate “articles” had it been deployed sooner; it's worked out quite well on de:wp. This toxic site might take a few pointers from a sister project that has more clue. As to shedding editors, I view that as a good thing; I call it “Editors for Wikia”. There's also bantown, for some.

Your whole notion of ”fun“ and keeping “score” is detrimental to the project. You don't seem too open to listening, so I'll not waste much effort here; I've got your MfD watchlisted and will opine when that launches. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Userpage layout

Hey! I'm new to Misplaced Pages and heard that you were good with layouts, textboxes, fonts and so fourth. How do you do it? If you look at my page it's got nothing :P. I know that there is a page with everything - Misplaced Pages:User page design center/Style but looking up skins were such a hassle! Is there an easier way? Thank you! --TUSWCB (talk) 10:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Where did you get the idea that such things are easy? Your best bet is to find a page that you like and adapt it for your own. If you've not done much of this sort of thing, I suggest you not seek a complex userpage. I've not seen that design center stuff and I wasn't impressed with it; too much cheese. Also, this is an encyclopedia; go edit something ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates

You really want to see a really bad idea? See this discussion and what chaos subst it caused. That's why I hate the idea of basic text being replaced by templates like that. Just creates complexity for no reason. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

...and someone had to clean up the mess, I see. At least that was about something of import, instead of a pair of tits on tv. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

And, oh my god, Category:1632 series templates is terrible. For example, look at the markup under 1632 places#Bamberg. God, nightmares. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It's endless; they let any idiot edit this site. The project is not scaling well. Delete! Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, this one is going to catch some eyes. The holy grail of bad ideas: every real person who was referenced in some alt history fiction. Quite a few FAs and GAs too I see. I'm glad I didn't go with the big fat notice. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

That sort of thing is core to the problem of inappropriate content and the editors who are overly enthusiastic about it. Some believe it does no harm; but it does — it infects the core content with links to the trivial and convolutes things. It also is a huge time suck to clean-up. You've done great at that; thanks much. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

What, the idiosyncratic syntax with no documentation and hidden comments at the top of articles saying "leave this alone, I'm not done" didn't clue you in? I recognized this was mostly a way of personal shorthands that nobody else could mess with (I was dealing with a mess of psych articles that had the same problems a few months ago). It's pretty much a standard tactic in numerous places (see the number of templates that link to template:cite book for an example). We haven't gotten to the really fun templates (32Char and the like used for every character mentioned). My favorite part will be the AFDs that will result in a merge that nobody is going to deal with. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I've seen some of this sort of approach before, but not this extensive. I have looked at the usages of those other templates and it's a sea of mess. Thanks for taking the lead on these; in the even of merge results, redirect with a note on target talk that yon history is . I see that one of those just up was closed as a merge two years and it was simply never done. Sheesh. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

thx

Thank you for the pretty new user page! I only noticed it this morning when I checked to make sure the new pages had turned up. :-) --John Vandenberg 03:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

you're welcome. did you notice I had to trim your transcluded section to fewer? your page has a fixed-height per the image and you have to watch that you don't run right off the bottom. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

question

Why is your editnotice quotes from LOTF? KillerChihuahuaAdvice 00:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

See my user name and the fact that Jack Merridew redirects to Lord of the Flies ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes, that was not exactly the answer I was looking for. I know who JM is; I am in fact literate enough to have read LOTF. My question is, why is your editnotice quotes from LOTF? Hoping this makes my query more clear. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 02:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok; I thought you might have realized. I spent some time adding material from LOTF to q:William Golding while on enwiki-ban. When I returned, I re-did my user space and noticed the new WP:EDITNOTICE feature and didn't have much interest in the canned-templates on-offer. And the typical use of offering local 'rules' for the talk pages is down right boring. I guess the short answer is humour and that it keeps things interesting. There are about a dozen quotes rotated through the editnotice and a somewhat larger batch at User:Jack Merridew/Quotes. fyi, I wasn't intending to be flip with my first reply; I just got up and had not had my chai, yet. You might also peek at the editnotice used on my user page. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hon, it isn't just Bali, trust me. (thanks for the chuckle) KillerChihuahuaAdvice 11:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I know; I clicked this a while ago — and have gotten around ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

My evil organization

In a disguised Belgian/Hungarian accent: Hi there! Thanks for contributing to my evil organization. You are welcome at SPECTRE anyday! Dr. Blofeld 12:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I figured that since you didn't get the rename, you should get a new user page; even if it's on your talk page ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Any chance you can see how the page looks in black with white writing? Evil like my signature? Perhaps then change the color of the Welcome part to white? Could you try that? Looks more evil I think. Dr. Blofeld 13:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I've sent you an email. Dr. Blofeld 10:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah looks better just the top in black otherwise it will hurt people's eyes!! Looks great now! Dr. Blofeld 13:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Could you also make the right side bar in black too with white lettering? Thats should do the trick. Other than that you could see how the side bar looks intergrated into the top welcome section on the right and make it just one section. Providing you make it the same length and shrink the other pics down a little it should fit in the top? Dr. Blofeld 13:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. I say we remove the side box and add the remainder to the main box so it looks all in one. Dr. Blofeld 13:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

all yours for now; the issue is that the top block ought to shrink for smaller windows, which are evil; and smaller is less evil, which is not the plan, methinks. fyi, you might want to peek at my user page as of yesterday to get an idea what I usually do. I did John's page, too; see these also. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

One last thing, can you add the three links I have currently underneath into the box linked in white underneath the globe, my archives, awards and humour page. Could you just do that? Dr. Blofeld 13:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

sure: my turn. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe at the bottom you could have the three white text links on the black, one on the left, one in the middle and one on the right, you know. That would cap off a very pleasing page development. Thanks! Dr. Blofeld 13:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

That is just about perfect now. Has to be the most sinister looking page on here. Mmmmwwooaaahaa!! Thanks. Dr. Blofeld 14:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

enjoy; I have to go soon; UTC+8 in my evil lair. The links down-left can be positioned independently; they just need to be in the own elements w/whatever values. Use p-elements of you don't want the bullets; or just divs. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

One final last thing,. How about a more coloured text section with a border kind of like yours but a blue/grene colour? Dr. Blofeld 14:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, you arne't living in my apartment in Hong Kong are you if you are +8? Perth? Dr. Blofeld 14:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope; Ubud. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow Bali? Went there about ten years ago, awesome place, went to Lombok too. Perhaps you could photograph some of the Category:Cities, towns and villages in Bali? I started a few villages around Ubud on here but they need photographs. Dr. Blofeld 15:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll grab some easy street scenes as I visit places. I have a bunch that I've been meaning to photoshop and upload; uh, from last year ;) A bunch of those villages have pics by me, but under my puppetmaster account; Padangbai, for example. Lombak's Rinjani is very cool. I've notice you doing infoboxes on pages I've worked on; I expect you pop-up on a lot of watchlists. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Your help is also needed to help me design the new wikiproject I'm starting, Could you fix Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki? I want it so the top banner is bordered off and then the text goes underneath like on my talk page. However a thickish border in the same color would also look good. Can you fix it? Dr. Blofeld 16:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

moar evil

you'll probably want to revert this; and it might be easier to restore to here. evil grin, Jack Merridew 10:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The page area underneath is intended to be white it is just the header I wanted in navy blue. Somehow you managed to make the entire screen blue!! It is intended to look as it does on my talk page Dr. Blofeld 10:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh. The sides were blue before I touched it. You're still getting a white region in the center, right? 850px wide with a bit of blue underneath. This is about what your talk page is doing only with wider side-blue (assuming a wide screen). The blue to the top and bottom is probably not viable; typy and edit the whole page or step through the diffs. evil grin, Jack Merridew 10:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I would prefer it if the title was dark blue with white text and then the rest of the page is normal. Can you please do it like my talk page with the navy blue and white header and then the rest of the page normal? Dr. Blofeld 10:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that's better, could you add a thick navy blue border around the white section? Dr. Blofeld 10:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Could you make it though so that the border frames the edge of the page like on my talk page and so there isn't a line at the top underneath the header Dr. Blofeld 10:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ya, but ya gotta not keep edit conflicting me ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hokay, go ahead and remove the top border above introduction and merge it, I won't edit until it is done. Dr. Blofeld 10:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Purrfect. Dr. Blofeld 11:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

kewl; I go fix the German page if you've not... Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool. It will have to be easily generated as I anticipate a bot will be auto generating missing lists. Dr. Blofeld 15:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I much appreciate your help with the new translation project. Dr. Blofeld 11:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You are most welcome; contrary to my Evil Delitionist™ reputation, I do believe in including a wide range of topics. It's really more a question of appropriate depth of coverage. My interest will wane if you focus on importing articles on Indonesian Soap Opera couples ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I know. If you help me fix those, subst:SUBPAGENAME works but not in no wiki text as I gathered. P.S I haven't started Indonesian transwiki and the small ones yet as I am aware that most of them them are rubbish. Dr. Blofeld 13:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Tricky. sl =Slovenian wikipedia. sk=Slovak wikipedia. The confusing think is that Slovak in slovak means something like slovenscina which looks like slovenia!! Grrr Dr. Blofeld 13:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Heres something which might test you. See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Geography. The idea is that the template I've created to link the main topic sub pages (Intertranswiki Poland) is instead written into the bottom of the main banner. However I intend to replicate the exact same process for each language so if you could write it into the main header templates to read whatever the language wiki it is and link them correct;y e.g the one for Portuguese would have the links at the bottom to e.g Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Portuguese/Geography etc this would be great. Dr. Blofeld 14:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It's late here, so I'll have to look tomorrow, or so — which is a busy day. Seems straightforward; you just want to have lateral navigation to other languages and it could work for other than "Geography". I expect it would key of the presence of one of the other args or a third. Will let you know. Might be best at the bottom, but up to you. fyi, I see how you ran up so many edits; you just roll on and on... Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah so you would just edit the header template you created and link the sub topics embolden underneath the logo across the page and where it says "Polish" or "Lithuanian" etc you would just add the SUBPAGENAME so whatever page you use the banner on it displays it correctly, they are all following the same format of course. Note I am talking about the main topics template, the small one at the top. I am not talking about the footer template to connect to other languages. That is indeed best kept at the bottom. Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

nod. I can picture it; all doable and details tweakable. I'm off now. Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

So basically it would be like as follows but the sub topics for Poland would be in white and displayed across the bottom of the template:

Jack's Intertranswiki
Translating wikiproject content from Jack's Misplaced Pages

Buildings  · Culture · Geography · History · Politics · Science · Sports · Transportation

Youz messing with mah page structure. I was thinking up in the blue... Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

So can ya do it? Once that is done I can start creating the sub pages enmasse. Dr. Blofeld 08:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ya, I'll look at this now; my whole watchlist just exploded, so Ned rather got my attention ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ned is doing OK, he has just renamed the project, hardly consensus but it does avoid confusion with the other project. I've edited Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Header. All it needs is converting to a white color. Shouldn't take a minute! Dr. Blofeld 09:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Oi! LOL. As soon as that top bar is sorted I can create over hundred or so project pages! Dr. Blofeld 09:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

It works; it has to be enabled on specific pages (we don't want it on all the header is used on). I've got it on Spanish; note not on Spanish/Culture -- that could be a different submenu. I'll hook it up on Polish and whatever else I find with sub-stuff. The look can change; messing with the link-text colour hid redlinks, which is bad; won't be as bad once you fill everything in; still would hide blue/purple. I need access to Common.css to get better control of the link colours. There's still an issue with the damn auto-cat. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. Note though at present it seem to remove "German" or Polish" from the above title. Dr. Blofeld 09:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That was just me messing with this local copy ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. As long as it doesn't still read as "Intertranswiki Translating from Misplaced Pages" and displays the language in the title as before I don't mind. Dr. Blofeld 09:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

How do you get the header on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Buildings and the other sub topic pages to display the navigation topic in the top banner? That was the idea so when you create a sub topic page it links them together at the top. Dr. Blofeld 10:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I just turned it on; <>span class="plainlinks"diff. My thinking was to be able have a different submenu for deeper levels... Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Right, err, wrong; the links are hitting the wrong level. This is because I was intending it to be a level up... Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah at present it links it as Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Buildings/Buildings so the links are red linked for Poland when they should be blue linked. That was why I thought it might have been easier to just add the lower section to the main template! But if you can get it to work! Dr. Blofeld 10:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

(had ec, again)

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Culture
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Spanish/Culture

This is the sort of thing I had in mind; not that I cut "Polish " of off "Polish painters" and "Polish writers". This will serve the project well going forward; don't duplicate the language name in the naming of subfolders. The idea here is to have standard names for the second tier folders. If this is not really your plan, we'll have to adjust some things. I'm used to using the breadcrumbs top-left, but we can get and "up" link in the box somehow. I'm focused on dinner soon, so look things over and let me know. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Now I don't mean to link sub sub topic in the banner. I mean add Buildings • Culture • Geography • History • Politics • Science • Sports • Transportation to each of the sub pages to navigate between each of them. So on the Polish culture page you should be able to navigate between geography, culture. history etc at the top exactly the same as the main polish page! Dr. Blofeld 11:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The sub sub topics shouldn't be linked in the banners. Only the core topics. Given time there will be hundreds of sub sub topic generated on different pages, this is why they shoulnd't be linked in the banner! Look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish. The banner you see now with the core topics is to be replicated for each of the sub or sub sub pages. The only difference is the sub wording as we have at present. Dr. Blofeld 11:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

So Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Culture and evne the sub sub pages etc would just have the core Buildings • Culture • Geography • History • Politics • Science • Sports • Transportation linked in the top template just like the main project pages. It should be fine then. Sorry to confuse you. But trust me when I say there ar elikely to be hundreds upon hundres of sub sub topic pages linked in these pages. Please only link the core topics at the top evne if on sub sub pages. The idea then maybe to create footer templates to connect sub sub pages so it won't bloat the top. Dr. Blofeld 11:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No the whole idea of having the main core topics linked is to be able to navigate between each core topic. There is no point in having Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Culture when there is no way for you to qiuickly navigate to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Polish/Politics. Do you follow? Dr. Blofeld 11:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

ok, I see; this puts me rather off on the wrong foot with the implementation of the submenu. I'll think on this and shift gears. And I may make you an edit conflict barnstar. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit conflicts. Mwwwoaaaaahaa! I welcome a barnstar that would be amusing. Anyway this was why I edited it here (and you reverted me darn you LOL) as I intended for the exact same headers to appear on every page, plain and simple. You started complicting things though by create special header pages and such! So basically you should be able to copy the main header on any page and it will alsways display the core topics. This is why I think we should edit the main header template and save the trouble in the long run... Dr. Blofeld 11:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

For a Resilient Editor

		The Resilient Barnstar
		For an outstandingly cool editor who when the going gets tough gets going rather than gives up. Your help and contributions are greatly appreciated and it is a pleasure to encounter you on Misplaced Pages. Dr. Blofeld 11:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Kewk; terima kasih. I'm pleases to meet you, and your white cat. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

When you've done the current task there is one more thing for the mo. Can you link all of the Misplaced Pages main pages which currently have groups on the main project page Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki in the top banner. After all it can't be an interwiki page without links to other wikis. If you link them at the top of the main project page only in the place where on the other header templates it lists the topics this would be great. Dr. Blofeld 12:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense; sure. You know I did a major refactor of http://www.wikipedia.org/ ??? The other project portals, too. I need to get back on those, too. It'll get busy up top with more than forty. I guess we stick to the English names of the languages. I'm not sure this project on the right name; seems a mouthful. Crosswiki Translations? Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. If you have a knowledge of technical issues on here I could sure use your help on a lot of things i do on here. Especially in regards to infoboxes for places which I work a lot on. Anyway maybe you could list the top 100 or 150 wikipedias at the top. Yeah I'd stick to english names for them. Only list them on the main project page though. I was thinking of maybe adding a relative link on each translation group page later in the banner. Dr. Blofeld 12:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm a professional technician; all sort of stuff. You want nuclear triggers reworked? Your virtual functions pure? An Aurora Australis? And I do lots of boxes ;) I'll push these things along as I can. Gotta eat. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, a professional technician living in Bali on english wikipedia, cool. I figured you had advanced technical skills when you started going all I can make a bomb out of a coat hanger and toothpaste, I' pity the fool on me LOL. Well, there is a German infobox needing coding for regional pin maps I created. I'll let you know about that later. For the sub groups headers see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Header. I was thinking of a plain link in the centre under the main logo which says "Interwiki". You click it and then you are on the mainpage of the foreign wiki equivalent. I'd image you'd need to pgoramme it to read "if Polish" - pl wikipedia main page etc like that so the template works according to which language group you are on. Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you list the foreign wikis in the banner of the main page and then create specific inter wiki links for each language group in the banner? I was thinking the single link for the sub group language could be linked above the logo in the centre. What do yu think? Dr. Blofeld 15:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I await your response. Dr. Blofeld 10:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I saw this last night just before I shut down; and today's busy. Ya, all doable. There are subdomains to sort out and I believe the pages between German and Russia need work. One of the other templates builds a link to whatever Main Page by just being passed the subdomain, so it's the same deal. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Templates, again - WDY

Jack, you seem to be doing a bunch of work clearing up some of the more Byzantine formatting templates, so I thought you might understand the case of {{WDY}}. That was deleted a few days ago, but it's used on quite a few articles. We clearly need to subst in some proper text where that template is used (as its leaving "template:foo" redlinks right now), but confess to not really understanding what its original intent was. Do you have a clue as to how we should treat the text that's including that template? Maybe just a regular wikitionary interwiki link? -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 15:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(oh yeah, and take a look at the markup for Barbas (Charmed))  :) -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 15:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ya, I noticed that earlier today; I don't know exactly what that template was, but it *is* from a suite of templates that all amount to Bad Ideas™. I looked for just how it's getting pulled into so many pages; mebbe ask the fellow who deleted it. I expect it should stay deleted except possibly for a peek to get the usages sorted. I'm sure the Chamed dreck is much like I've seen. I'll look tomorrow, as it's late here. Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Makeitgoaway

Teehee! :-D Bishonen | talk 14:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC).

Glad someone liked it ;) You see that I edited the motion? Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

House series template

I'm quite curious why you would remove this template from the pages of the cast members of the series, most of whom are on the template, as being inappropriate? Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Because it is is inappropriate to use a specific works' navigation template on the pages of actors who likely appear in a great many works. You would put 100 navboxes on the article on an actor who appeared in as many works? See John Gielgud#External links for the appropriate navigation. He appeared in a great many works and I'm sure the significant ones are mentioned. If readers are interested they can delve deeper. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

List of 1632 characters (fictional)

Hi Jack. You might have noticed I had a go at List of 1632 characters (fictional), removing all those nasty in-universe templates. However, I'm now wondering if I did the right thing. Before I have a go at another article, did my efforts to replace the templates with article backlinks make your subsequent editing easier or more difficult? Astronaut (talk) 17:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

This looks like it was all in the right direction; this, by me, hit a lot of the same links, but that was about cutting things down to a page-relative form as the links are local to the page. So I'd say you're on the right track. That whole page is ridiculous; better than 50 fictional characters with no significance or notability; pure fancruft. Got a machete? Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I was going to come back with my machete and trim out the detailed story elements for each character, leaving it more of a list with one or two lines for each character. Astronaut (talk) 11:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Russian template

Oh hi. I was going to see how the infobox would look if you auto hid Charter and Mayor too. Just a trial, see how it looks. At least then when somebody comes to devleop the article they can add every single detail at a later date. The important thing is that the basics are there I think, someday we'll have to get around to starting hundreds of Charter articles! Only thing is, there is an empty gap there in place now, can you remove that gap? Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You getting this weird "Override this function." message, today?

I closed up the big gap; that was in that section. There's a small gap that's part of the population chunk above and I've not looked too much at that; I will, but it's a different critter. The whole template's an interesting example. Thanks. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

There is also a skinny blank section between population and history which appears in all of the articles like Omsk. Could you also remove that gap? Dr. Blofeld 11:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeha I had it once last night when I was editing an Argentinian film. It said "Override this function", more server trouble... Dr. Blofeld 11:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually I discussed a while back changing the municipal status section so it displays in blue at the top like Limbaži. Could you change the municipal status section (its pretty important) and get it to display in a blue line at the top of the box. So for instance Omsk would have the blue line at the top like Limbaži and it would read as Urban okrug. Can you do that? So basically whatever you add in the muncipstatus=section it will display in blue at the top. Type of settlement is very important in Russia as there are many types like okrug, urban-type settlement, rural etc. Dr. Blofeld 11:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Like the blue line here:

I'm looking but I keep having to purge my talk page ;) I fixed the small gap; seems right on the pages I looked at and makes sense to me. The blue bar should be easy enough. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done however it cost the link to Subdivisions of Russia#Municipal divisions as the whole cell it was in is gone; the right-hand cell is now a colspan="2" cell that's centered. I could make the {{{MunStatus}}} itself link there, or somewhere. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Mmm maybe we can find a way to include that... One more thing, can we try to coat of arms/ flag section under the image skyline but above the map, I think it would give the box a better flow. Just see how it looks... Dr. Blofeld 12:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Bryansk. Looks pretty good now I think. I did a lot of trial and error but I think it looks best as it (was before your last edit). . Dr. Blofeld 12:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to get the website link on one line and auto-evaporating. It blew up on first go and I just put back some other tweaks that make the code a bit more readable (the html comments in lieu of newlines). I figure people know what a web link is, so we can omit that. I can not have edit conflict? Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, but when I'm working on something at the time or sharing conversations on the same page it is hard to avoid conflicts. If you answered me on my talk page me wouldn't get edit conflicts here either! Anyway I'm happy with it now except can you remove the boxing from around the COA/flag section now (remove the lines around them). All yours. Dr. Blofeld 13:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I meant the ec's on the template. The borders around the CoA/flags are the same as all the other borders. It would have to be a nested table or something; also something that's gotta wait until after dinner. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. One last thing, can you get the regional pin maps to display the name of the town on the pin, e.g Kirensk as it shows on the national map for Omsk for instance. I tried adding {pagename} to the caption of the template but for some reason it would only show when you hover not actually appearing on the map.. Dr. Blofeld 13:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you have to populate this look-up template to get the marker. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

If In jurisdiction of and Administrative center of paramteres are also missing can you also get them to hide? P.S what da ya meen bout populate. Can't you get it to display? Dr. Blofeld 13:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The template has multiple mechanisms to generate maps and one works by being listed in {{PosMapFS}}; one that gets markers. That the difference between the two examples you gave. It's rather hairy code in there and I've not worked through it all. It doesn't seem like setting an arg will do it. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Now you know why I 99% of the time insist that we use Template:Infobox Settlement.... Dr. Blofeld 14:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Just seems like a lot of very basic things need doing around here, that's why the workload piles up as a lot of people don't even like to get articles up to a decent level, just looking at some of the national roads in Japan that are unreferenced stubs. Groan groan. If you are certain you can't make those adjustments can you add an image parameter to Template:Infobox road. Seems silly that nobody has created a space for a picture of the highway... I'll let you take it easier then eh wink wink! Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Something like:

• image=
• image_size=
• image_caption=

It'll have to keep; I'm off for the night (UTC+8;) and I'm busy most of the day tomorrow off-line. Oh, and still got fix-up the invocations of all the transiwstuff; I'm adding more args to them. On teh list. Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

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• Misplaced Pages:Don't template the regulars and m:Don't be a dick. Anyway, I've stuck a {{hangon}} on it and it's late here; UTC+8, and I'll get back to this tomorrow. Jack Merridew 14:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not templating, it's tagging for copyvio, there's a difference. Besides, you'll need to read Do template the regulars because occasionally we all forget that the policies we're safeguarding apply to us too. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Hullaballoo, thanks for bringing this to Jack's attention, but tagging someone's talk page like you did can look like an attack - please remember the time difference, it is the middle of the night in Bali. I am sure Jack will be happy to take care of this issue when he wakes up tomorrow. - Josette (talk) 17:37, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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