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"I am a Palestinian. Hath not a Palestinian eyes? Hath not a Palestinian hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Jew is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that -- the villainy you teach me, I will execute; and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."
Tariq Ali's take on Shakespeare in the Khaleej Times

"It is not enough for the settler to delimit physically, that is to say with the help of the army and the police force, the place of the native. As if to show the totalitarian character of colonial exploitation the settler paints the native as a sort of quintessence of evil ... The native knows all this ... he knows that he is not an animal, and it is precisely at the moment he realizes his humanity that he begins to sharpen the weapons with which he will secure his victory.
From Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth

Archive #1 by Werdnabot /Archive 2 /Archive 3 /Archive 4 /Archive 5 /Archive 6 /Archive 7 /Archive 8 /Archive 9 /Archive 10 /Archive 11

You deserve this...

The Geography Barnstar
is hereby awarded to Tiamut for exemplary development work on the Outline of Palestine. The Transhumanist    23:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You've done an incredible job on this.

I can hardly wait to see how you finish it up.

If you need ideas, here are some examples: Outline of Vatican City, Outline of Japan, Outline of Iceland, Outline of Taiwan, Outline of Thailand, and Outline of Gibraltar.

(Pictures can relate a great deal about a place and its people).

Keep up the great work.

The Transhumanist    23:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: please consider joining the WP:WPOOK.

I second Transhumanist, your work is amazing and invaluable! -- penubag  (talk) 00:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome :) -- penubag  (talk) 00:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Thirded (if thats even a real word), I was considering giving you a barnstar myself! Highfields (talk, contribs, review) 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

replied

on my talk. nableezy - 18:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

On Canada Park

Hi, I now understand there is a fourth region in Palestine called "no-mans land". First reading about the sources learns I don't understand enough. The stand-off did not change the UN-borders, did it? Well, I take a dip into the naming-thing too. More eyes to be opened. -DePiep (talk) 23:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Putting Palestinian people up for AFD

I've decided to request your advice for this. Clearly no measure of public debate can expose the truth, however by increasing awareness of the article, a solution can be reached. Should we put this up for AFD? --Warm as ice (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

For your information: WP:AN/I#User:Warm as ice request admin action. Cheers. Zero 11:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

List of birds of Palestine

Hi, your bird list is a bit out of kilter with similar country lists. It's usual to list in taxonomic order, see for example, List of birds of Thailand, which you could use to sort out the order, or perhaps amend List of birds of Israel which although more basic is more relevant in terms of species. You can put the status next to each species, and perhaps put in a paragraph of text about migration without listing all the migratory species. Although soaring birds are particularly relevant, because they will not fly over the Med, many other species pass through as well Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

if you use the Israel article as a template, which I recommend since it has family summaries too, note that the headings and TOC are over-capitalised, eg Shearwaters and Petrels should be Shearwaters and petrels. You can illustrate your article, and the Thailand page will help you with layout. If you get stuck, let me know Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Your birds of Palestine reference seems suspect Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I've got the Firefox WOT extension, which evaluates this as a suspect site. Having said that, it appears to have been assessed by only one person, and I can't really see what the problem is. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I think you're right, the site looks innocuous, and most of the bird lists start from Avibase. You could save a lot of time on the list by just copying across the Israel list (I wonder if it includes the occupied territories?) cutting out any species not recorded in Palestine, and adding any recorded in Palestine but not Israel. Let me know if you get stuck Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I've edited the Israel list to remove the excessive capitalisation. I've also replaced US names and spelling with BE where I've spotted them (Avibase uses American names and spelling throughout) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Architecture

Wow, a lot of work! It's a nice article. I think there are a couple of places, particularly in the vernacular architecture section where it comes close to POV, but I'm conscious that it's in your user space so I haven't commented or amended Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Impressed

You're welcome :). Hopefully we can steer him towards an area where he can be more productive - if not, at least we tried. I've been to Jerusalem before and greatly enjoyed it - the Dome of the Rock is possibly the most beautiful man-made object in the world. Unfortunately Ironholds aged 9 didn't know what happens if you take every picture with the flash on, and none of them came out :(. Ironholds (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Will do :). I was lucky enough to see it right up close about six months before they closed the whole area off (I don't know if they've reopened it to us genocidal warmongers yet. Out of interest, while it might not be your area in anything more than a geographical sense, do you know anything about the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? I've got a history of the thing waiting for me at uni and I was looking to get it up to GA or similar. Ironholds (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Shit, that sucks :(. It's an odd day when a lapsed Jew finds it easier to get to the Dome than a Palestinian married to a Muslim. I wont't be able to start the rewrite until September (as I said, the book is at uni) but I'll give you a poke once I start doing so :). The architecture article looks brilliant, and I'll take a looksee in the university library when I get back to see if there are any architecture/design books that might help. Ironholds (talk) 13:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Religious and racial tolerance = good. I find it helps to remember that at the end of the day all races, religions, ethnic groups and the like are made up of individuals like you and me, and that to damn those individuals entirely based on a particular association makes you no better than them. On a side note, while you've probably heard of him, if you haven't you might want to check out Aviv Geffen, a big leftist Israeli jew notable for publicly speaking out against the situation in the holy land, his refusal to serve in the IDF and so on along a similar vein. His song "cloudy now" is an excellent example of his leanings (although if you don't speak hebrew you might find it better to listen to the English version he recorded with Blackfield). Ironholds (talk) 13:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeedy, it's been a pleasure to chat. I'm actually at work, so I should probably get off the intertubes anyway :). Ironholds (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Montefiore Windmill

Thanks for restoring that text. There is another issue which has arisen, see the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You've got nothing to be sorry for. I've given more than adequate explanation of the refs for the name. Will investigate the Arbcom matter as referenced material was removed from the article. Meanwhile, have one of these:-

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Mjroots (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Hummus Dispute

Left you a message on talk page Talk:Hummus#Dispute_Levant_as_Arab Igor Berger (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

As I said there, there is no dispute in the sources. So I won't be participating in that discussion any further. Feel free to retag the article if you like. I don't have time for this kind of misuse of NPOV tags, given the misuse of these tags at another article I am working on: Land Day. Tiamut 17:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for re-tagging the article. You are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Igor Berger (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookie

I left a message with Igor's post-block mentor. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Stalking

If you really think I'm stalking you, I encourage you to report me. Otherwise please don't make accusations you can't back up
I responded to your other queries on my talk page. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course I can back up the accusation, otherwise it would not be made. See User:Tiamut/No More for an outline of how I came to this conclusion. I think it would be best for you to admit that you have been following me around, and commit to not doing it anymore. There is really no other explanation for your edits between July 20 and July 30th. Every single one is one an article that I was either developing heavily previously or had just made an edit to. Its disingenous for you to pretend there is an alternate explanation.
I won't be reporting right now. I've given you what I consider a final warning. Do not follow me anymore. Okay? Tiamut 21:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The proof is in your head. The fact I made edits to 4 articles you happen to have edited is hardly proof. There is a very good alternative explanation which I'll happily present when you file your report.
Again, I encourage you to report me if you're sure I'm stalking you. I won't be threatened out of editing IP articles. Make your complaint. Lets see if it holds water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by No More Mr Nice Guy (talk • contribs) 22:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The fact that every single one of your edits over the last ten days have been to articles I edited either directly before you did or that I had been working on extensively previously is no coincidence No More Mr Nice Guy. I've given you two warnings now, and if you edit directly after me at an article you have not edited previously again, I will file the report. This is not a threat. It's a fair warning. Take it or leave it. There are thousands of I-P articles, thousands of which I have not touched. I'm sure it will be easy to find some. The ball is in your court. Tiamut 23:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
No, the ball is in your court. You're the one making the accusation. I shall continue to edit whatever I please. You decide if you want to file a report or not. I'm sure it will have no more merit in the future than it has now, which is probably why you're not filing it. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I won't be bullied into filing a report No More Mr Nice Guy. They are time-consuming and a waste of energy (just like this discussion). I've said what I want to say and you do what you want to do, andd we'll see what happens in the future. Happy editing. Tiamut 23:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/WikiProject outreach

Note

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou


-- Jaakobou 10:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou


-- Jaakobou 11:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
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-- Jaakobou 11:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Basking in the light of knowledge - 07/28/2009

Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers.

Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...

New members
Be sure to welcome our newest members to the team:
News: Outline of Palestine survives AfD
The outline was nominated for deletion for being too general in scope. The consensus was overwhelmingly for keeping it.
The most memorable comment was posted by Mandsford: I like the poetic name, anyway. . "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.
Special thanks to Tiamut for greatly improving the outline, and helping to save it from AfD.
To keep track of outline AfDs and other outline-related discussions, see WP:OOKDISC.
Who's active on Misplaced Pages this summer?
Courtesy of Rich Farmbrough, here's a list of editors by their edit counts over the previous month (8th June to 8th July).
It would be nice to get the most prolific Wikipedians involved with WP:WPOOK. If you can, find a good reason to contact one or more of them, and invite them to work on a relevant outline - or all 500!
Who's been up to what?
  • Buaidh, Highfields, and Gimme danger have been working on the government sections of the country outlines. Being that there are about 240 of these, with critical information being filled in on each, this is by far the hardest and most important chore of this WikiProject right now.
  • Penubag is working on a redesign of the top OOK page.
  • Tiamut has done an incredible job developing the Outline of Palestine.
  • And kudos also go to Eu.stefan for his work on Outline of Buddhism.

Thank you.

Here's what else has been going on...

New outlines
Recently created outlines include:
Recently converted to outlines
These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format and added to the OOK:
Recently merged into outlines
There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following articles have been recently merged into OOK pages:
Outlines that have been tagged
Tags are requests to fix a problem or improve an article in a particular way. Unless we want the tags to sit there for an extended period of time cluttering up the outlines (we don't), it is up to us to fulfill those requests or attend to underlying misassumptions (if any).
I can't stress enough the importance of watching
With so many outlines (now over 500), and a growing number of support pages (guidelines, wikiproject pages, etc.), I can no longer keep up. I need your help watching over it all.
If you'd like to omnisciently view everything "from above", see this page:
  • WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.
Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):
  • WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
  • WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
  • WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.
What's next?

There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those.

The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer!

Keep up the excellent work.

The Transhumanist    00:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline of birds

Thanks! I may be coming to you for help soon. It would be nice to have someone who knows what they're doing (more than I do anyway) have a look with "outside the project" eyes to let me know what doesn't make sense! MeegsC | Talk 21:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

OOK collaboration: Outline of knowledge (eom)

Delivered by –Juliancolton |  at 21:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian architecture

I went marauding through JSTOR in search of some sources for you and found a few useful bits. There's Ancient Palestinian Dwellings by H. Keith Beebe, which is more archaeological but might provide a source for the historical development and evolution of Palestinian architecture, Palestinian temples by M. V. Setton Williams and The Beehive Buildings of Ancient Palestine by John Currid. If you can send me a blank email or something I can send you the pdfs :). Ironholds (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem whatsoever :). I'll have a look through the physical texts at uni when I get back as well. Email has been sent, with pdfs attached :). Ironholds (talk) 09:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Iraq and outlines

Thanks. I appreciate your consideration. As a show of goodwill, you may call on me if there's a particular article you are working on you want copyedited (er, as long as it's not an outline). WesleyDodds (talk) 11:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

ha ha ha!

A good thing about Sceptic is that he is not averse to using self-depreciating irony e.g. Talk:Gaza_War#Allegations...etc where, shortly after I had complained about too much soapboxing on the talk page, he said

"Throughout our discussions I tried on numerous occasions to show nonsense in Amnesty and others, however only Monitor receives all the credit. Do I have to double the soapboxing here?".

Yeah, a bit of levity helps now and again. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikihounding

Whaw, you sure attract a "fan-club"! I´ve looked into the contributions of some of your "fans", and thought I have my suspicions, I have not found enough evidence (yet..) to file a CU-report. However, what *is* very obvious, is that you have been the subject of some, IMO, quite nasty wiki-"hounding" (I believe that is the wiki-political correct term, at present.) Especially by User:No More Mr Nice Guy ...and I must also mention User:Jaakobou. I had thought of filing an report on User:No More Mr Nice Guy at once...but then I saw that s/he had not edited for some days. If s/he returns, and follows you to as much as one single article; I *will* make a formal report. Take care! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

PS: Oh, and Ash has some information for you over at his talk-page: User_talk:Ashley_kennedy3

Hello

Thanks for your kind note. It's very good to see you back editing with your usual clarity and panache. --Ian Pitchford (talk) 09:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem discussion

Hi, you may want to re-format the content you added here. I think each primary bullet is for a new comment from a new editor, so I'm not sure if that's what you intended or if the bullets after the first bullet should be indented. Let me know if this makes any sense, because I'm not even sure that it does! -shirulashem 16:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - August 2009

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The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter
Issue XI - August 2009
Project news
  • The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 75 FAs, 8 FLs, and 147 GAs, with a net loss of one FA and one GA. Our thanks to those who helped keep some other articles listed, and to those who have worked so diligently in improving all of our articles.
Member news
  • Three new members joined this past month, including new members User:116Calvinist, User:Lrnngrbc, and User:Frazz, bringing us up to 295 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members!
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One area in particular need of attention right now is the content related to the Oriental Orthodox churches. Several of the topics within this field are of great importance, including the churches themselves, their histories, thinking, and some of the individuals associated with it. Unfortunately, the number of people who belong to the churches, and, correspondingly, the number of editors working on that content, is smaller than it could be. Anyone interested in helping to develop this content is more than welcome to look at the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy page and seeing where they can help out.

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Jerusalem talk page

Hi, My eye has been caught by a couple of Gilabrand's replies to you and the description he's given them , . How easy is it for you to visit Jerusalem as a Palestinian living in Nazareth?--Peter cohen (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Some Info on the 1988 Declaration

User talk:Harlan wilkerson/The Real Meaning of the Declarations

harlan (talk) 00:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

Warning
Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Wars of national liberation. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

You are clearly edit warring on that page, as is the other editor, whom I have also warned. You are at 3 reverts already, so it would be wise to stop. If you don't wish to be warned in the future, fine, I'll proceed directly to the appropriate noticeboard, citing this. Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)