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can you take a look at a couple things:
ACs edits at the asmahan article. Amongst them: this was removed "'Alia and the three children moved to Beirut, then to Haifa, Palestine and eventually immigrated to Egypt." and also in the marriage section he removed that she had "returned" to Syria to "relocated". Because he doesn't think she lived there. We have been over this before, the author uses the word "returned" at one point and "relocated" at another. He also removed that she had been "required" to sing. Dont know if you actually supported the removal of it. And also he added something to the first part of the early life section that I do not believe have anything to to with early life. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
- I do not know why he removed Beirut and Palestine, they were both referenced. Relocated or returned - either way -- because the reader will already understand that she lived there as a child. The "required to sing" was still being discussed, but as you know, I found it fairly meaningless anyway. And if you are talking about the "princely family" paragraph, not only is that meaningless to the biography, it appears to be an extreme fringe viewpoint. The Al-Taba'i book (which was written in 1965, only republished in 2009) was mostly discredited by Zuhur. Any other source lists Al-Atrash as Amir, Prince, Druze leader, etc. — CactusWriter | 20:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
- What discussion? shouldn't the discussion begin if someone wants to delete something from the article as he did in two places? And is it really necessary to discuss a clarification of where al-Qrayya is?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- No. You have been warned too often for just this kind of thing -- quick reversions. You need to slow down. Grabbing my opinion off this talk page, pasting it onto the article talk page and then using that as an excuse to make your own reversions is poor form. Especially, when you deleted AC's paragraph because I said it was out of context or "meaningless", but replaced your own sentence even though I had also told you I considered it out of context. You need to use the talk page and allow for discussion or response. It might take days for a response. This isn't life or death surgery. Have some patience. — CactusWriter | 13:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Why do you accept him deleting the sentence that I had added then? Why didn't you revert it when he deleted it? Discussion with him hasnt worked for half a year, so why would it now? Until now it has been his way or edit war.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I would like an answer to my post here above why you let him delete the sentence I had added. And what am I supposed to do now at the talkpage? Your post has been added there.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I suggest you take it to WP:3O or WP:DRR. If you are interested in actual mediation, than you must be willing to accept third-party advice -- even when that opinion goes against your own wishes. You have previously had mediation from good editors who walked away after growing weary of constant arguing over minor issues - especially after giving an opinion. I fully relate to their experience. I also recommend that you find a mediator who understands Arabic since some of the references require it. I think you should refamiliarize yourself with the entire editing policy page starting with WP:IMPERFECT and Misplaced Pages:Revert only when necessary. Good luck. — CactusWriter | 09:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- How can you even suggest something like that when i have told you before that I asked for 3O and AC did not listen to him and we got another mediator that AC did not listen to? You have not answered me above and I want an answer. I'm serious. Why did you accept him deleting the sentences that I had added, yet you reverted my edits? Including an explanation for where Al-Qrayya is which is of no controversy at all? You said to me: "use the talk page and allow for discussion and response." Then why didnt you revert my edits AC had deleted and tell him to do the same? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
After only two weeks, you have made an incredible 43 edits to my talk page. And I responded -- even though I told you that I did not have the time to mediate your editing. It's is a shame that you have found my advice to be of no use. My apologies, but enough is enough. It is time for me to drop this stick. Good luck. — CactusWriter | 14:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Ok dont mediate but don't tell me to go to the talkpage for adding two sentences while AC ads tons of texts and deleted and changed the things I added without going to the talkpage, without you doing anything. Just so you know AC added some stuff that you said was copyright violation before and put them in quotation marks: "Egypt was a planetary distance from the small villages of the Druze" --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Number 44. Your welcome. — CactusWriter | 15:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
copyright violation?
You might want to take a look at this text that AC has recently added: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Omar_Sharif&diff=311065654&oldid=311027382 "Life outside of Egypt gave him glory, but a lot of loneliness and a lot of missing his own people and his own country" This is almost exact as the source: 06.10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYD0LTKaFc4&feature=related --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'll take a look when I have a moment. — CactusWriter | 08:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wow. Great interview. Sharif is remarkable. As far as the entry, this was easily remedied with a slight edit and quotation marks. — CactusWriter | 11:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Rat Pak Records
Hi, I was asked by my boss, the founder/owner of Rat Pak Records to create a Rat Pak Records Misplaced Pages, however, the page has been deleted because of copywrite issues. I'm not sure what to do or how to go about asking for it to be "un-deleted". All the information I added to that page, came directly from the owner of Rat Pak Records and I simply copied and pasted it (rather than re-write it all) and added the information to the page. I tried to leave a message when this initially happened, but was confused on exactly what to do or what was required of me. Would you be able to help/assist me please? My boss would very much like to solve this issue.
Thank you,
~~Cheekypeek~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheekypeek (talk • contribs) 19:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Replying in CactusWriter's absence: Since we do not verify user identities upon account creation, any claim of permission needs to be verified externally. This is done by following the procedures highlighted at WP:PERMISSION. Please note that Misplaced Pages cannot leave disputed content up for display until permission is obtained per the above means.
- Further, to save you some additional hassle beyond the copyright issues, please note that it is in general a very bad idea to write about topics you are directly connected with, such as the company you work for. This constitutes a clear conflict of interest, and I'd advise you to familiarize yourself with WP:COI before attempting to create the article on your employer. Last but not least, please be aware that Misplaced Pages strives to be an encyclopedia, and will not let itself be used as a vehicle for promotion. Any topic deemed worthy of an article should be covered by multiple, non trivial independent third-party reliable sources and written in a neutral tone.
- The exact requirements are explained in this essay about writing your first Misplaced Pages article, which I recommend you also familiarize yourself.
- Best, MLauba (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, MLauba, for the assist here. Cheekypeek, all the links and advice offered by MLauba should help you solve any issues. Good luck. — CactusWriter | 08:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Films August 2009 Newsletter
The August 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Adoption
Hi CactusWriter,
Yes, I know it sounds crazy but I got unblocked. I asked an Admin on the IRC if can please edit again. I was just wondering if you could adopt me. Also, Congrats on the adminship. Rowdy the Ant (talk) 01:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, Rowdy the Ant. Thanks and welcome back!. I don't think it's crazy. I'm afraid I have my hands full these days and don't have the time to devote to an adoptee. But it is great that you are seeking one out.
- Here are a couple of suggestions that I hope will help. I think it is good idea for an adoptee to find an adopter who lives close to their own time zone (in your case, in the United States or Canada). That way, they are more likely to be online at the same time as you when you need to ask a question. You can look through the list of editors willing to adopt at Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters and see if anyone strikes you as a good match. You might want to find an editor with a similar area of interest as you. As I recall, you were interested in Toon Disney, Veggietales and other cartoons. I took a quick look through the Adopters list and thought one of these editors might be a good choice: User:Figureskatingfan, User:Tiggerjay, User:McDoobAU93, User:Jayron32, User:Ktr101. Take a look at their user pages and see if they might.
- Then drop a note onto their talk page and ask them just like you asked me. (Remember to ask only one at a time). Also tell them a little bit about the topics or Misplaced Pages area that you are interested in. If they have any questions about your block, you can always refer them to me. Good luck with the editing. Let me know when you have found an adopter. Cheers. — CactusWriter | 07:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at the adoption people you suggested. Sorry about the image problem, I really didn't know. Rowdy the Ant (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- No problem. There is a lot to learn -- I'm still learning all the time. Just remember to ask if you are uncertain. Good luck with with the adoption. — CactusWriter | 14:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
New Edit Warring by User Supreme Deliciousness
Cactus, as expected, SD is edit warring again. He's adding "of Syrian descent" categories to prominent Egyptians' biographies, e.g., Tamer Hosny, Soad Hosny, Anwar Wagdi, etc., as you said, just because they have a relative who was Syrian. Admin Sancho had stated on Omar Sharif's Talk page that going from both his parents were Syrian or Lebanese to "he was of Syrian descent" would be an unacceptable leap in WP. Please take action as necessary. I suggest you ban him from editing articles of Egyptians; he's insitigating edit wars where he does not belong. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 13:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- None of this is so life-or-death critical that either of you should be instantaneously reverting one another. Post a separate request at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Egypt asking for input and wait for a consensus from the editors. — CactusWriter | 14:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- What is "life-or-death critical" on WP? So strange you blocked me in a second without even a warning and you always have your kid gloves on with SD! --Arab Cowboy (talk) 11:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I totally agree. What SD is doing is unreasonable. If he still doesn't understand what was being discussed before (Admin Sancho had stated on Omar Sharif's Talk page that going from both his parents were Syrian or Lebanese to "he was of Syrian descent" would be an unacceptable leap in WP) and abide by it, then he should be banned from editing articles as his inputs are rather confusing and sometimes misleading. Nefer Tweety (talk) 04:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey!!! I am Egytian and he is Syrian. I do not mind being banned from "Syrian" articles, while Supreme Deliciousness gets banned from "Egyptian" articles. SD's agenda, slapping "Syrian" into Egyptian (and many other) articles, is very antagonizing to Egyptian (and other) sensibilities and is the instigator of all edit wars. I do not mess with Syrian articles and he should not come anywhere near Egyptian articles. Simple. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
It is ridiculous to allow this war to go on. SD should be banned from editing Egyptian articles. Nefer Tweety (talk) 22:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- If you have serious concerns, you should file a report at WP:RFC or WP:ANEW. — CactusWriter | 06:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Camille Marino uploading defamatory images of Dave Warwak
I've deleted two but probably for the wrong reasons (what should I do about them? . I see I used the same F11 that MBisbanz did, but it looks wrong. Still left is File:Warwakstoned.JPG - I think it's pretty obvious these should be deleted but can't find the guidelines that make this clear. The editor is offline at the moment but if she doesn't stop... Dougweller (talk) 15:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I actually asked Stifle about something like a couple of weeks ago. From what I read, the rules for images don't work the same way as text. In that there is not a lot of actual speedy deletion -- meaning automatic. They are tagged and then allowed to wait for 7 days. If uploaded again, the same procedure ensues. So as far as the picture goes, I would think that retagging is the only solution at the moment. But the text "about being stoned" is a different matter. That's a BLP violation if not sourced to independent RS. I think that needs to be removed now and the uploader warned about BLP vios. — CactusWriter | 15:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- That only applies to certain deletion reasons, see Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion - eg clear copyright violations can be deleted immediately. I think there's a problem here -- eg a hoax image defaming a real person, I wouldn't hesitate to delete it. I also think somewhere there's something about images of people. Of course, there is always WP:IAR. Dougweller (talk) 17:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Hi. Doug asked my feedback. I think the policy here would be WP:BLP: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.... This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons on other pages." I see two options for the remaining image, which makes unsourced allegations about a living individual (certainly intentional, as supported by ): we can move it to a neutral name or we can pull the plug. Since I'm just offering feedback, I'll leave it to Doug to figure out which is more appropriate. --Moonriddengirl 17:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- (ec)You're right that there are some "instant" criteria for deletions files -- but the majority fall in a gray zone, even more so than text articles. But that file is a BLP problem (I think the line you are looking for is Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons#Images). I think it should be deleted as an unsourced attack. — CactusWriter | 17:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, Mrg. Sorry about the ec. I agree with you. — CactusWriter | 17:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Consensus is a beautiful thing. :D --Moonriddengirl 17:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Doug, I hope you don't mind, but I went ahead and deleted this as a CSD G10 Misplaced Pages:Attack page -- especially in light of the uploader's previous warnings for adding defamatory material to that article. (I recalled you were in that big much-ado-about-nothing with the deleting images and blocking recently. So if there is any flak about this, I'll take it.) — CactusWriter | 18:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Great, thanks. I am having real problems with your talk page, by the way. At times there are no 'edit' links, and just now there are edit links but the page is too wide
with no scroll bar. It may just be Chrome, which is what I'm using. Thanks also to you, Mrg. Dougweller (talk) 18:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, there is a scroll bar. It's too wide in IE as well but fine in Firefox. Dougweller (talk) 18:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, no. Of course, I use Firefox, so I have never noticed. But you're right. I just checked in IE and it appears the rounded cornering must be a strange markup. I wonder if this has been going on since I created the page -- I'm surprised no one has mentioned it before. Hmm, I'll have to fix this. Thanks for letting me know. — CactusWriter | 18:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on Firefox, too. Hence, it looks fine to me. Good luck! --Moonriddengirl 19:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Of course! All the cool people use Firefox. But yours is fine IE, too. Eh, I'll just delete the mark-up for now and steal yours tomorrow. — CactusWriter | 19:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks. I use Firefox for everything else, but as I often have 100-150 tabs open in Firefox, it won't cope with Misplaced Pages too, so I use Chrome for Misplaced Pages editing. Maybe I should be using Opera 10. :-) Dougweller (talk) 19:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
#45
When AC wanted to remove the category's from the articles you told him to go to WP Egypt and seek consensus for its removal, not only did he ask the "wrong" question, if there is support for its stay (instead of support for its removal) but he got no consensus for its removal and went right ahead and deleted the category's. Do something.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- The discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Egypt has settled the issue for the Atrash articles. It appears there is no consensus yet about the category and content on the other articles -- either for or against inclusion. One editor suggested seeking outside input. (By the way, I don't think either of you has asked the correct question yet, since the real dispute is about at what point can a person be considered "of national descent" or "of national origin" and at what point it is irrelevant.) If you have serious concerns about content, use WP:RFC to find input. If you have a problem with reversions, than WP:ANEW is the place to file a report. — CactusWriter | 08:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- When I wanted to remove the category's he had added at the Atrah article I had to get consensus for its removal. He didn't need anything for the adding of them. If I hadn't gotten consensus they wouldn't have been removed. WP Egypt themselves removed them. Now when its the other way around, I have to get consensus for the adding of category's, and he deletes them from the article although the only two people that have answered support the adding of the category for at least two of the articles.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- By your own analysis, than you are guilty for this and this reversion since opinion was against it (and, oddly enough, you invoked my name when I previously told you I didn't think it belonged). You can't have it both ways -- hearing only opinions with which you agree and arguing against all others. I won't support one side when both act in like manner. — CactusWriter | 09:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- What do you mean by invoked your name? The two that have answered support the adding of the category in two of the articles, yet you are letting AC remove it, imagine if it was the other way around and there was support for the category at the Atrash article and I removed it, what would you have done?
- There is no consensus against adding of it at the soad article, one is against it.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, your arguing just proves my point. Take it to WP:RFC. — CactusWriter | 10:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Arbitration
If you want to say something: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Asmahan --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification. I'll take a look, but I believe an arb case it is bit over the top for a content dispute between two editors. — CactusWriter | 08:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Its not a content dispute, he has changed sections that has previously been agreed during mediation so they go against what was agreed upon and what the sources say.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Cactus, your count is wrong. I've been blocked 4 times only, not 5 as you claim, one of which is older than 3 months ago, another was reverted by Xeno for its triviality, another was a clear abuse of admin authority by Tan for contradicting him in a discussion in which he was involved (two more senior admins called his action "wrong" and "foolish", respectively, and another, which I did not dispute was a biased block by yourself. I recall at least 2 occasions when SD has been blocked, not just once, maybe one was before her registered a username. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 20:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Peer review
I've spent the past six weeks overhauling the hip hop dance article and now that I've finished I posted it for peer review here. I decide to invite you because you're member of the guild of copy editors. I know hip-hop dance (the history of) has nothing to do with Danish films/people but you're a copy editor with a good command of the English language. I figured that was a good enough reason to invite you. I would appreciate your feedback. Be forewarned that this is a long article. Not including refs/external links, templates, and categories it's 7 pages printed. If you accept my invitation to review you may want to print it first and make your edits that way. I found it easier to read and to correct when I did this. Although long, it makes for a good read during a lunch break, a bus ride, or pure boredom. I learned a lot myself while rewriting this article. Consider this one of those articles you can "wander into relating to experiences as a..." wikipedia administrator. If you like to learn, this could be an incentive for you. Gbern3 (talk) 18:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
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