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Thanks!

Thanks for catching my typo on this image!

RandomStringOfCharacters (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

bisbanding

You have a comment from Jan2 of this year on Talk:Tualatin Valley Junior Academy using the word, in quotes, "bisbanding". I assume you mean disbanding? tedder (talk) 07:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

redundant citing

BTW, the reason I use redundant citing on school pages (like this) is because infoboxes, and basic information, are very frequently altered by editors who don't know (and don't care to know) about Misplaced Pages policies like WP:V and WP:RS. So the changes are made to what they know, or what they've heard, not to solidly sourced data.

That's why I go through and use very good sources on that data. It prevents edit warring, single-pass IP edits, and so on- which saves me (and us) a lot of pain later. *especially* on things like principals, mascots, and colors.

As far as the lede is concerned, you and I disagree somewhat about what should be included. That's totally fine by me- I'm not terribly picky about it. Thanks for cleaning up after me on that. tedder (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand your reasoning for most of (actually the vast majority) of the school articles. Most of them are crap articles that would fail even AFD in their current states. Though you have done a great job improving them and getting them to where they need to be. With the two articles (Laurelwood Academy and TVJA) where we have had some disagreement, these are two articles I did extensive research on and wrote from scratch, carefully citing almost everything. This includes most of the info that is in the infobox, which again with most of the school articles, this info does not already appear (let alone cited) in the body of the article. And if these articles were up for FA, redundant citing in the infobox or lede (except for exceptional claims) will be something brought up as needing to be removed (WP:LEADCITE), and FA is the ultimate (even if unlikely) goal for every article. There is no guideline/policy for infobox usage, only creation of the template itself, but if you take the first 10 FAs that use infoboxes at the start, only one has citation in the infobox, and it is only a single citation. So that's why I generally don't repeat, unless of course it is some sort of "likely to be challenged" issue (or such as student # and populations, something that constantly changes).

Plus, since these two are on my watchlist, so vandals will likely be unsuccessful in any significant changes lasting for more than a day or two. It would be the same for any of the 400 articles I have started thus far, all are still on my watchlist and vandalism/unsourced changes are reverted.

As to the lede, yes we apparently do disagree. I base my views on the reviews received going through GA and FA so many times to the point where I think I am a bit of an expert on leads. Not that every lead I write is perfect and can't use some fine-tuning, but the general content/gist that I write is usually what is expected in a lead. And with school articles, sports needs to be in the lead, as that is by far the most covered topic by the media. As I'm sure you've read, The Oregonian dedicates an entire section every week just to prep sports, and you would be hard pressed not to find coverage of prep sports everyday of the school year in The Oregonian and other daily papers, and often even when school is out for the year. Even on OregonLive, there is a "High school sports" section, but not one just for high school academics (the "Education" section covers HS, college, and middle/elementary). High school sports, for better or worse, tend to define schools. Which my sense is that this is even worse say in Texas. Thus they need to be covered in the article, and thus need to be in the lead as a summary of the article (unless they don't actually have sports like a few schools).

And not to beat a deadhorse, but accreditation for private schools is important to private schools, just as it is to private colleges. With publicly funded schools, it just isn't something most people worry about, it is just assumed the state is running an institution that can grant degrees worth something. Much like tuition for private secondary/primary schools is relevant, but obviously not for most public schools. But I digress. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we can beat some of the same horse a little- I spend some time finding the accreditation for any nonpublic school, and usually will write a section about when they received the accreditation. Okay, easiest part done.

On to the lede. I'll respect however you want to do it. I'm not a good writer. I can make an infobox and I can do a mediocre job at all other bits of "content creation". But I tend to disagree that it's important to have the school's athletic division, and/or the school district, in the lede- they are already on the page. That leave the page up to the unique content, and all of the boring facts then reside in the infobox. However, I understand the point you are making about The Oregonian and such. Again, I'll leave that to you. Buy you a drink sometime, eh? tedder (talk) 08:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't expect you to agree with me on everything, I don't know of anyone on Misplaced Pages that I agree with all of the time. But as long as we understand each other and don't edit war, we're doing fine. As to a drink, sure, though when you stopped by L&C's law school you should have let me know, I was there and could have told you where some better vantage points are. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The Scary Sleepover

Hi Aboutmovies, I have The Scary Sleepover slightly revised. But my English is probably not always correct. Could you please have a look to that? Thanks in advance. --Kelly-Olly (talk) 12:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your corrections! (Could you perhaps proof-read even the article about the author of the book?) --Kelly-Olly (talk) 17:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (Even if you are not familiar with the subject, I assume that serious syntax errors, etc. you would have noticed.) --Kelly-Olly (talk) 13:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Prewitt-Allen Archaeological Museum

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Dravecky (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Oregon Institute

Hello About, you reverted one of my edits at Oregon Institute the page claimed that it was the first school for "European-Americans" west of the Mississippi. Perhaps it is the first school in for European-Americans in the west as defined by the U.S census, but a quick search though Misplaced Pages itself as well as google show that there were many schools for "European-Americans" west of the Mississippi. Both Texas and Missouri have several notable examples from the 1700s. Would you be appeased if I changed it to "the west" instead of "west of the Mississippi" and placed a fact tag? Thanks! Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! Sorry! clearly my speed editing has gotten me in trouble. It says "Missouri" not "Mississippi." Sorry to take up your time! Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Svenson thanks

Thanks for fixing the caption on Svensen, Oregon. There's a little discussion at Katr's tlak page about my images, if you want to contribute or help. tedder (talk) 13:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for RadiSys

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rʨanaɢ /_contribs 09:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi, can I ask what makes Capacity in English law a C class article? I wrote it to give a clear, well sourced outline of the law on the capacity of individuals in English law, and I think it's pretty comprehensive there. Any feedback on what I missed would be welcome. RichsLaw (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply, I'll try and correct all the problems. I understand the 'too legal' concern, it's rather easy to write technically sometimes by accident :). RichsLaw (talk) 23:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

One thing it's worth noting is that case citations do differ between ( ) and , as explained here: Case citation#England and Wales. I must say I was not really aware of the policies on primary and secondary sources though, so that looks like the main issue in the content I've generally written. RichsLaw (talk) 23:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd be wary of stripping the correct citations; they indicate what stage of a case the article refers to (whether it's an appeal, or House of Lords, etc), as well as providing information which can sometimes be necessary to find the case. Non legal experts googling just the case name could find multiple instances, whereas googling the citation may produce a clearer result. Equally, those with legal background would probably not be too happy if they vanished! I couldn't find a clear consensus however, so I've posed the question on the WPLAW talk page. In addition, I made some alterations for the better to the article, if you could give it another look at some point (would be nice to know if I'm heading in the right direction :). Thanks. RichsLaw (talk) 07:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

infobox creation?

Hey, you're good at infoboxes, right? I need a basic one either modified or a somewhat more generic one created. It's for motorcycle racers, of all things. If you can spare some time, I'll give you more info. tedder (talk) 19:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Signpost interview

Greetings! I will be conducting a group interview with WikiProject Oregon members for the Signpost. Peteforsyth suggested that you might be interested in participating. The interview will be taking place here. Instructions can be found on the interview talk page. Hope you can participate! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Tigard Transit Center Station

Regarding your reverting my last edit: OK, no big deal, but I have to point out that the bus transit center—which has existed there for over 20 years—is named Tigard Transit Center, not Tigard Transit Center Station (and this has not changed with WES's opening), so technically I am correct that the subject of this article (as currently named) is only the rail station. However, the content does indeed also include (albeit with almost no detail) the bus transit center. Maybe the article's title should be changed to omit "Station". That would make it consistent with how Beaverton Transit Center, WES's northern terminal, is treated on Misplaced Pages. SJ Morg (talk) 06:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I have addressed your issue, but note that the title of an article is not actually controlling of much. The naming conventions and thus how we title things are about common usage, not necessarily about what the article is about. Obviously we want to be fairly accurate, but common usage generally rules the day. The WP:LEAD is more about establishing what the article covers, is it can be easier to explain there than some long title; for instance here you could argue for Tigard Transit Center Station and the Tigard Transit Center as the title as the most accurate (but I think most would agree that is rather long and convoluted). For instance Bonneville Dam is more than just the dam, it includes the locks and the power generation portion, but that title is the common usage. For the Tigard one, the TTCS came up more than minus the station, likely because the old one opened in 1988 well before the proliferation of the internet and sources on the internet. Keep up the good work, and happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast action and thoughtful comments. And for the additions to the article. It's better now. SJ Morg (talk) 06:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages articles (2) Linked

I was not and am not trying to offend you nr anyone else when I added a link from Captain Gray from another Misplaced Pages article ] that not only stated this is the first American ship to circumnavigate but also states more than in one area that this ship was "privately owned". I myself do not know or really care if she was privately owned or not -- I just added what the linked to article already shows. Personally, I think the ship Captain Gray and her history should be linked. When reading about "the first ship" in the Captain Robert Gray article, the first thought that came to me was what was the name of the ship since she would be famous? Kind regards my fellow worker, we have the same goals in building up Misplaced Pages as much as we can.  – Brother Officer 21:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Heritage Christian School (Oregon)

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BorgQueen (talk) 05:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

coord fix

thanks. 45/122 is from my copy/paste template. tedder (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ivanpah Valley Airport

Just curious, was this a revert, or did you not notice my previous edit? --Conti|✉ 11:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm more than happy for more input on the whole issue. You're right, there haven't been a lot of comments on it, which is part of the problem: Most people don't care either way. If you've got any ideas on how to get people to comment anyhow, they'd be greatly appreciated. :)

To the issue itself: First of all, what do we warn our readers of, anyhow? That an airport is not yet completed? Why would that warrant a warning? The (and most others) template says that the article "may contain information of a speculative nature and the content may change as the construction and/or completion of the airport approaches, and as more information becomes available on it." Does that mean that the article will suddenly cease to contain information of speculative nature once the construction of the airport is complete? Will there never be any further possible speculative information in some way, or are we going to exchange the template with a "Current Airport" template then? My point is that a warning about possible (not actual) speculative information is entirely independent of the status of something. A future airport might have as much speculative information as a current, former or fictional airport. That is why we do have the general disclaimer, linked from every article, saying that our articles might be, at any time, inaccurate or just plain wrong.

On comparing the template to other article-space templates: We use NPOV or OR templates when there is an actual problem, not when there might be, possibly, a problem. And such problems usually aren't nearly as obvious as the status of an airport, which should be made clear in the very first sentence of an article. Even missing citations aren't as obvious, as a missing "references" section doesn't necessarily mean that there are no references.

When the most common arguments for keeping these templates are "We've always used them" and "They do no harm", we should probably think long and hard whether they are really necessary, or helping. --Conti|✉ 21:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for the reply. It is much appreciated, even if I disagree with you. :)

Do you mean one of those notices that appear on top of every user's watchlist? If so, then I'm pretty sure that there won't be any consensus for adding the RfC there, as such notices are only supposed to be used for the really important things, like big elections and so on. Notifying various wikiprojects is a good idea, although I have done just that with the discussion for Template:Current sport, leaving message at about a dozen different wikiprojects, and didn't receive a single reply there, either. Still, it's worth another try. And I actually have asked the person who created Template:Future (the first of its kind) why he created it, here's his reply, largely saying what you said. As for "people making templates randomly just for fun", you won't believe what kind of templates I've seen so far. One about "recently deceased pets" (We got a "recently deceased" template, after all), or one that, with great accuracy, told you which century is the current one (we have one for the current day and current second, so why not the current century?), etc.

You say that "All of the tags get used when there is only a maybe problem". That's true, in a way, but not my point. My point was that people add an NPOV tag or a cleanup tag when they think there is an actual problem. There doesn't necessarily have to be a problem, but they're not going to add a template just in case there might be a problem in the future. And when I come across an article that has such a template and I don't see any problems with it, I can just go ahead and remove that template again. I can't do this with a Future template.

Of course we cannot say with absolute certainty whether an event in the future is really going to happen. But isn't the fact that we cannot see into the future common knowledge? Do we need to remind people of that? That's pretty much my main point: Someone who is going to read "...is a future/proposed/planned airport/bridge/TV show" will know about all the implications of that fact. He will know that something unexpected might happen, or that some information may not be final, or that things may change in the meantime. They will know that we (or anyone else) cannot guarantee that what is written will actually happen. You are right, there are people who might not read the first sentence of an article, but there are also people who might miss a big, colourful template (for example because they clicked on a link that leads straight to a section). What do we do then? Is it really our highest goal to inform people who do not read the lead (or who do not understand its implications) of something that is common knowledge? I would imagine that the number of people who do not read (or understand) the lead is quite small; tiny, even, and I don't think we should add a big template to tens of thousands of articles just to make things a bit more obvious for them. And even if we do, we cannot guarantee that they are going to read the message. And, anyhow, even if they do skip the lead of an article, it should be made clear throughout any article whether it talks about something that is in the future or not. (And in the case an article isn't clear about that, I do support the use of a Future template.) --Conti|✉ 09:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I suppose we can agree to disagree here. I do think that the fact that things in the future are not certain is as obvious as coffee is hot, and yes, I would very much oppose any warning on Misplaced Pages-coffee to that effect, so to speak. Maybe it's just different mindsets, where I live there are no such labels on the coffee you buy, and no one would even think about changing that. I'm simply assuming that 99,8% (or more) of our readers do know these things, and that we shouldn't add templates to articles that might be useful to the other 0,2%. I mean, we could just as well create a template that says "This is an article about a person who is still in office. Information may change until the person retires." We could create thousands of similar templates that all point out something that is more or less obvious, and might help 0,2% of our readers nonetheless. I just don't think that's a very good idea. Yes, we should make sure that an eight grader understands our articles, but I'm quite sure that an eight grader knows that coffee is hot, and that information about the future is not set in stone. --Conti|✉ 20:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiBacon bot results

Hey Aboutmovies, I've been developing a bot to show collaboration and initial edits between two Wikipedians (i.e., how did we first cross paths?). Here are some initial results involving you: User:TedderBot/Bacon_Results#Wikibacon: Aboutmovies, Tedder. Please let me know what you think on my talk page: User talk:Tedder#WikiBacon results. tedder (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK congratulations!

		The 200 DYK Medal
		It gives me great honor to bestow this medal of congratulations in recognition of the creation of your 200th DYK article. Your work has covered people and places around the world, with a remarkable focus on filling in the holes in all things related to Oregon. While this is the highest award in our DYK pantheon, please treat this as just a little more encouragement to continue a well-developed habit of creating new articles, and allow each new DYK notification to be its own little award providing further encouragement. My best regards for your work to date and for your continued creation of more excellent articles. Congratulations! Alansohn (talk) 16:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is awesome! Great job! LittleMountain5 14:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Most impressive. Katr67 (talk) 18:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Amazing! Please accept my congratulations as well. Finetooth (talk) 21:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow!

Pretty darn impressive award there, sir!

I dropped by for a different reason, to notify you of a detail: this edit actually converted an en dash to an en dash..in other words, not necessary. When doing such edits in the future you might want to blow up the text size in your browser, or paste the existing dash into a word processor so you can better see what kind of dash it is. Personally, I don't like the HTML code -- I think it makes pages a little less comprehensible to new editors. So I prefer to simply type an en dash, rather than the code like you used.

Also -- I really enjoyed your answers in the WP:ORE interview, lots of food for further discussion! -Pete (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. With the whole stupid – - — – I just wish it were all just one length. It would make it so much easier and it doesn't affect the meaning. It is just so hard to tell looking at them to know which is which, not to mention when is it supposed to be an endash or a hyphen? But thanks for the tip. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing

Don't think I've ever relied of Archiplanet as only or primary source; www.nationalregisterofhistoricalplaces.com and State of Oregon NRHP database both have same info and aren't open-type sources. Don't use Waymarking as source very often. When I do its because there's photo of historic marker which I believe is legitimate documentation of marker's information since it allows reader to see/read on-site source for themselves. In any case, good reminder--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 01:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC) P.S. Congratulations on DYK recognition!

Was just looking around inside Google news archives--you're right there's lot of good material there! Looks like there's some kind of library agree that provides free access to articles that are normally pay-to-view. Do you know anything about that?--Orygun (talk) 02:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Felix Hathaway

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BorgQueen (talk) 07:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Frederick Van Voorhies Holman

Yes, that sounds interesting, and thanks for asking. By the way, several months ago you sent me a short list of Oregon articles that might be pushed to FA. Hillsboro was the one I picked from the list because I'd done a fair bit of work on other cities. I meant eventually to tackle something else on that list, but I've misplaced it. I think it must be somewhere in my archived talk-page files, but I thought if you could lay your hands on it without doing a time-consuming search, it might be easier just to ask you. Or perhaps you have a single favorite in mind. Finetooth (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The two files came through just fine. One is from the Dictionary of Oregon History, but the other is a mystery. What does Bench Bar refer to? Finetooth (talk) 00:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Mystery solved: History of the Bench and Bar of Oregon. Portland, Oregon: Historical Publishing Co., 1910. Finetooth (talk) 01:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

We have lift-off. Frederick Van Voorhies Holman. I think he might need some more categories and some tweaks to the templates on his talk page. Finetooth (talk) 03:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I put in a DYK nom using the "Rose City" nickname hook. Also, I added alt text to the image description. This is the first time I've created alt text, which is now required of all FAs and FLs. This article won't become either, but the alt text makes the images meaningful to readers who can't see them. Finetooth (talk) 03:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. I added some cats and the DSORT template. I also added some more incoming links. The template should be fine, I just usually don't use all of them. I tend to use the residence only on the living, and we only add parents/relatives/children if they are notable (otherwise just the number of kids if none are notable). That alt text is tricky, I did it for Hillsboro. It's just hard to try and describe something as someone who is not visually impaired. Great job. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, the help, and the kudos. I never noticed the DSORT templates before, but I now see that they change a category's sort order, in this case to last name first. Handy. Just now I removed the residence info, which was correct in 1920 or so but might not mean much of anything today. The father was notable but not, apparently, the siblings. I have removed the siblings too. This makes the infobox slightly shorter, which looks better. On a totally different subject, I don't seem to have received a COTW reminder (Mount Jefferson and Adopt 'o Governor) this time around. Did I accidentally remove myself from the list? Finetooth (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I haven't sent the COTW notice out yet, and I may skip it this week as its almost time for the next one. So you were not dropped. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas B. Kay

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BorgQueen (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Umatilla Railroad and WPLaw

Did you mean to add WikiProject Law to Talk:Umatilla Central Railroad? I'm assuming it was an accident, so I removed it. If I'm wrong, feel free to revert. tedder (talk) 03:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that was an error, thanks for fixing it. The WPLaw and WPORE options are one after another in the drop down menu in my assessment script, so just selected the wrong one. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Tell me more about the script- I'm tired of adding projects by hand. (also tired of protecting pages and adding the reason by hand, if you know of a script for that) tedder (talk) 06:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

First note that I am not a script writer, but I can sort of tell what things do if I see it in practice. This script is an early version of one written by someone else. It became a widely used tool until the editor who created it went on a backlash against assessment and came to think of the script as an evil thing. I always viewed it as a script that sped things up by automating the typing portion. So feel free to copy what I stole borrowed, or add the first part from my monobook to yours. You could even improve it if you like. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Oak Knoll Winery

I am a Japanese Wikipedian and have just translated Oak Knoll Winery, an article that you started. I really enjoyed reading and translating the well-referenced article, but I found one phrase a little confusing. I detailed the question at Talk:Oak Knoll Winery. It would be appreciated if you looked into the talk page and clarified it. Thank you. --Occhanikov (talk) 16:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

All fixed, replied on article talk page. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Bronze badge

Thank you very much for the bronze badge. I had no idea there was such a thing, but I'm delighted to have one. I shall certainly work toward the silver. I think the last badge I ever earned was a Wolf Badge in the Cub Scouts. Finetooth (talk) 04:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

List of high schools in Oregon#Washington County

Can you look over what I did and make sure I got it right? I can't wrap my mind around the whole "located in Beaverton but the mailing address is Portland" thing. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 07:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks fine, I made some minor fixes. With the addresses, anything north of US26 and east of NW185th is a Portland Zip/address, so Sunset and Westview (I believe Sunset is actually within the Beaverton city limits, but Westview I know is not in Beaverton) have Portland addresses (as does St. Vincent's Hospital), same with Catlin Gabel (not in any city). To complicate things further, 97006 and 97007 are dual Beaverton/Aloha Zip codes (and I think Hillsboro works too for some of the addresses) so many things that are not actually in Beaverton are thought to be B-ton. For instance the International High School is in what is considered Aloha, and certainly is not in the city limits of B-ton. This causes problems around Tanasbourne where most is in Hillsboro, but a large section has a B-ton/Aloha Zip Code. I'm not sure why the Post Office is so f'd up about these things, as we've seen this with the Adair Village school, the Mennonite School, and at the ones you addressed too. Guess they have better things to worry about than pleasing Wikipedians. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Can my head just explode now? Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Thrill-Ville USA

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{{User0|ImperatorExercitus 14:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Whitespires Church Albany Oregon.JPG

Very nice! I'll have to go look at what else you've put up on Commons. Might be incentive for that bike ride to Albany I've been thinking about... Katr67 (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a few more of downtown to work on later, but lots of old buildings. Even the courthouse is nice compared to Marion and Washington counties' more modern approaches, though I'm not too sold on the color. If you do go, wait for a sunnier day, it makes the pictures a lot better. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey congrats--you've got more edits than me. Katr67 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

AuCoin page feedback

I just read your suggestions re my page & want to thank you for your efforts . You can be sure that I'm going to continue working to improve the article, citations, etc. I know much work remains. Lesaucoin (talk) 04:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Corwin - need a little help with citations

Thanks for the re-rate on USRC Thomas Corwin (1876). I wonder if I could get you to take one more look at it, specifically the citations to court cases. I've been using the cite court template but the way some things come out makes no sense. See particularly The Catherine Sudden and The Revenue Cutter but there are a couple other cases cited as well. All have URLs to Google Books. Also there are a couple citations to house and senate reports in the Congressional Serial series where I have no idea whether I have followed convention. ThanksDankarl (talk) 21:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

McNary

We got a helpful review at PR, and I think McNary is ready to go. Since you are the main contributor, I leave it to you to decide if or when to nominate. I'll help as best I can with whatever needs doing. Finetooth (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hillsboro edit reversions

I'm confused by your recent reversion of my edits. WP:CITE does say if citation formats differ, it's best to respect that used by the first editor. Setting aside that I'm not sure that's the best policy, there is still the point that numerous other editors who added citations before I made my first-ever edit to the Hillsboro article had failed to follow that very guideline, and the result was that the article's reference list is a mix of different styles with regard to publications dates. I was taking a step towards making them consistent within the article, using WP:CITE/ES as a guide. I didn't have time to catch them all, and was unsure what to do with citations that don't name any author (so I left them alone for now), but I don't understand how how can justify reverting all of the cases where I had changed the format to put to the date after the author's name, and yet not change any of the 25+ citations (added by others) which remain formatted the way I was trying to make all (eventually). How is such a high degree of inconsistency of citation formatting within a single article better than how I had left it? (And you also didn't bother to restore the unrelated edits I made, adding three transportation-related wikilinks.) SJ Morg (talk) 04:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Based on my experience with you to date, I figured I'd get a helpful and constructive reply, and I do appreciate it. I had noticed that the article had achieved FA status, and I was a little puzzled that it had (presumably) done so in spite of the inconsistency of the citation formats. It never even occurred to me that the formatting of some of the citations could have been changed automatically by a revision of Misplaced Pages's template output, rather than by inattention from individual contributors. This was the first time I've touched a featured article, and so (as you probably surmised) I didn't truly realize the potential ramifications, didn't give enough thought to what the article had already gone through (with multiple reviews, etc.) to get there. I'll certainly continue editing, but for the foreseeable future I'll probably avoid editing any FAs unless I find a very clear error that is simple and indisputable, like correcting the name given for MAX in the Hillsboro article. Regarding the paragraph break I added, it just seemed illogical to me to have a paragraph that was 85-90% about transit (really just MAX, as you noted) start out with two sentences that have nothing at all to do with transit (regarding freight railroads), but I sincerely don't wish to undermine the efforts of others who have far more Misplaced Pages editing experience than I, so I accept your explanation of that reversion. I'm grateful that there are some very experienced Wikipedians such as you who are willing to put up with the mistakes of novices such as me, and who are willing to take the time to patiently explain what we did wrong! I've been contributing (as a hobby) to small-circulation print magazines for over 25 years (including some editing and proofreading), but from time to time I discover that some general principle I've long used there doesn't really fit Misplaced Pages (usually with good reason), and I end up making an editing mistake of some sort. Partly because I continue to contribute regularly to (specialized) print magazines, I don't know that I'll ever have the time to become a really experienced Misplaced Pages editor, which is why it may be best for me to just avoid editing FAs under most circumstances. I noticed you've been editing the Hillsboro article while I've been writing this, but FYI, I've not yet looked at any of your recent changes; I don't imagine I'll feel any need to comment on them, however. Thanks again for the helpful response. SJ Morg (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Something still needs to be done about the article's use of the term "heavy rails" (with an s), which is not a proper term as used here (and rarely is). The terms "light rail" and "heavy rail" have nothing to do with the weight of the rails. They started out as adjectives only, but gradually became accepted as nouns. A rail magazine editor or book author would refer to a "heavy-rail line" or "heavy-rail system", or similar (with or without the hyphen), but in my experience unless the writer is making a comparison with light rail (or writing about a place that has both, which does apply to Hillsboro but no heavy-rail transit there), the more common term is "mainline rail" (-system, line, operator, etc.). I placed quotation marks around heavy rail in my article edit, because that term only arose as a direct result of the coining of the term "light rail" circa the early 1970s, and so even railfans tend to use the term only when making comparisons between "lighter" rail modes (light rail, streetcars) and "heavier" modes (ones with a "heavier" degree of engineering, such as viaducts and subways) and otherwise tend to just use the terms "subway", "El" (for elevated railway), "metro" (the common term outside the U.S.), etc., when discussing rail transit rather than using the term "heavy rail". For that reason, even railfans sometimes put quotation marks around the term "heavy rail". It's a term that really only came into being as a contrast to the term "light rail" but which remains comparatively little-used on its own, because there are far too many different types of rail lines/operations that fall under it — including intercity passenger rail service (Amtrak in this country), freight railroads, subways, commuter rail services, even monorail lines, and subgroups such as rapid transit within these! I don't think there's much about this subject on WP, but you can see Passenger rail terminology#Heavy rail and Light rail. I suggest changing the phrase "over heavy rails" to "over a heavy-rail line", or "over any heavy-rail line", or similar (without the quotation marks, of course). SJ Morg (talk) 10:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Except for the "heavy rails" thing (which, as I said, was a terminology error), I wouldn't have been upset if you had not made any other changes in the transportation section. But I'm glad you did. I think it's better now. I'm moving on to other stuff. Thanks again. SJ Morg (talk) 08:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Citation templates

Just to let you know that I, too, have found the abrupt changes to various templates annoying at times because something that was perfectly consistent suddenly becomes inconsistent in a global way. I've spent a good deal of time making things consistent and then making them consistent again after a template change. While the citation templates seem to solve some problems, they create other problems, and I've been toying with the idea of abandoning them and doing all of my citations by hand. I don't know if that's a good idea or not. Finetooth (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I know, I've generally found them annoying as too set in stone and not flexible enough for many needs. Even now, I've converted most of the refs to templates on Hillsboro, and there will still be inconsistencies as the templates handle things differently for "news" if there is an author name or not. If there is an author, the date goes right after it in (), but if no author then at the end without (). That shouldn't matter, as I don't recall that from college, and my old MLA style book doesn't say to do it that way. But, if they are all in templates, GA and FA folks cannot complain about it, and even if you do the cites by hand, it seems inevitable that someone will later come along and add something using a template. Or in other words, resistance is futile. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

All your citations are belong to us. Katr67 (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week

• Think I must have been dropped from COTW announcement list. Last announcement I got was for Central Oregon. I kept adding on to that article for quite some time before I realized Wiki-Oregon team had moved on. Can I get back on COTW list? Also, think COTW effort improved Central Oregon article beyond Start level--might want to consider new rating.--Orygun (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

• You weren't removed, I was just too busy/lazy to send one out the last time. I upped the rating on Central Oregon to C class, needs a transportation section, more referencing, and dealing with the WP:OVERLINKING in at least one section. But great work to you and everyone who made it a much better article than before. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Am, thanks for the COTW award...I didn't really do all that much with Julius Meier, hoping to do more, but your award has motivated me to go out and retroactively tinker with a few other Governor articles :) Thanks. -Pete (talk) 23:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent reviews of Articles Rend Lake, John Wood, Shawnee

Hello,

I recently saw your rating for the articles Rend Lake College, John Wood Community College, and Shawnee Community College and wanted to know what I could do that would increase the rating. Specifically, what about the articles made them a "c" grade. I want to improve them so I could submit them for a good article nomination. Your advice and input would be appreciated. IlliniGradResearch (talk) 14:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:William H. Willson.png

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Fixed. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Town Center Park

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Thank You

Dear Aboutmovies,

Thank you for welcoming me to Misplaced Pages, and I enjoyed reviewing the links you sent to me.

I look forward to my future contributions as a Wikipedian.

173.70.6.79 (talk) 13:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Dear Aboutmovies,

Thank you for welcoming me to Misplaced Pages, and I enjoyed reviewing the links you sent to me.

I look forward to my future contributions as a Wikipedian.

Louiseanthony

173.70.6.79 (talk) 13:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sheridan, Oregon

Hello! Your submission of Sheridan, Oregon at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Allen3  09:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Reassessment request

The recently created article Kids for cash scandal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was featured on the Main page, WP:DYK on Friday. It has received a start class assessment from you for WP:LAW, although that was given two days prior to DYK listing and the article has expanded nearly threefold since your assessment. I am hoping you can reassess and possibly give details as to how you feel the article can be improved. I will watch this page for your response and direction on where to look for your comments on the article if you decide to review and place them elsewhere. Thank you – Sswonk (talk) 15:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Edith Green - Wendell Wyatt Federal Building

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— Jake Wartenberg 23:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sheridan, Oregon

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NW (Talk) 23:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

"Beyond words"

I have rolled back several of your changes that inappropriately linked that publisher in the name of a computer science book, which is published by an entirely different publisher. E.g. . Please be more discerning with your linking. Pcap ping 18:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Japanese school?

You just happened to have a photo of the Japanese school? Impressive :-)

Obviously I got sidetracked before doing the talk page of the school. I'm easily distracted now. tedder (talk) 06:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

And a few other schools too. My parents live there (I also was sentenced to one year there my first year of law school), so I take pics out that way every-now-and-then. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. Trying to get the connection between where you live, where you take pics, where you HAVE pics, etc..

At this point I'm a keyboard cowboy, doc says no riding or driving for a few more weeks. But I'm mostly done with the HS list- see User_talk:Katr67#10_to_go:_schools. tedder (talk) 06:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

At least you have something to occupy your time with being stuck at home. As to pics, I have lots of pics of Hillsboro, Wilsonville, Sheridan, Salem (i.e. downtown and Willamette U), and the immediately surrounding areas of those cities. Some pics of places between Wilsonville and: Sheridan, Hillsboro, and Salem. More limited of other places in the metro area (though a fair amount from Portland), Corvallis, Albany, and Forest Grove. I take pics mainly in NW Oregon right now, but have a few older pics of Seattle, the Gorge, in the Cascades, Eastern Oregon, New York/CT, and Japan (Nagoya and Kyoto areas). And if my parents ever scan my really old pics, then I'd have a ton of Boy Scout camps/hikes that we don't have much use for on Misplaced Pages! Time for a new article. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Faith Bible High School

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Ellsworth Bridge

http://www.scripophily.net/posfromwilri.html http://ragemanchoo.tripod.com/steelbridge.html http://www.kingbridgeco.com/GreatKingBridges.htm

The King Bridge Company built this 400-foot single span cantilever bridge in 1892. It was held to be one of the longest cantilever spans in the United States at the turn of the century and probably one of the early steel bridges of its kind in the northwest. By crossing the Williamette River at Albany, the bridge played a major role in completing a vital road connection between Eugene in the south and Salem and Portland in the north as well as establishing Albany as an important center of interchange between river and road traffic. Its completion was the cause of much celebration by the local populace, for “it was wide enough for two horse and buggies to pass.”

--RyanTee82 (talk) 07:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Albany author and former office supply store owner Robert Potts wrote a series of books about Albany, which include historic photos, many of the Old Steel Bridge. I think the books are titled Remembering When - That was where I think I got the information I posted. http://albanyvisitors.com/wp-content/slotpdfs/SLOT.pdf The first image on the third page was taken from the top of the Steel Bridge, looking south. The old county courthouse, which was demolished sometime in the late 1920s (early 1930s?) is visible in the center. --RyanTee82 (talk) 02:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Rick Dancer

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DYK for Beyond Words Publishing

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Vanalism and threats

Fuck off asshole. You vandalized the article, inserting some new-age bull-shit into an article about math. When you got caught for vandalism by the subject expert, you picked a fight with him. When he got tired of fighting you, he asked for my help (I'd written the original article, but of course you didn't know that because assholes like you never actually look at the article edit history, or realize that their bullshit is captured in that history). I offered him sympathy, and I proposed a workable editing mechanism that could effectively keep griefers like you neutered and ineffective. And so your response is to attack me? Figure out what's wrong with your brain, and go fix that! Get your life together! Stop assaulting total strangers and acting like a total A-1 dick-weed! Take out your aggressions on some inanimate object instead of WP articles and editors. Go take a vacation, and leave everyone alone, already! linas (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)