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Deleted?

I don't think this should be deleted. It seems like a reasonable stub of a useful article. Frjwoolley 19:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

While it may be seen this way, and more than likely may be true, I don't think that this is the way to approach the subject, singling out a specific goverment/people. A differnt article on the topic should be created and this might be a subheading, but it should be deleted so as not to offend politically.

CobaltBlueTony 19:38, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

But this is what I'm most knowledgeable about. Can you really fault me for not knowing about propaganda in all countries in general? Not all countries put out the same amount of propaganda either, although I don't think the Western countries are beyond propaganda at all. By the way, that deletion thing was inserted before I even finished with my series of starter edits!

Now that I think of it, I think I may have been rash in the title. It could be propaganda of the PRC to be more specific. In any case, we're talking about facts, even if it's a "bad" thing. If there's an article on one kind of bird because there's some guy really interested in that bird before that class of birds is written about, is that bias? I'm hoping and welcome the contribution of yourself and others on all topics about propaganda, in China or otherwise.

Perhaps this information sould be part of a general article for propaganda. Check to see if there is one, and watch the neutrality issue. This is an encyclopedia; I'm sure China has encyclopedias defaming other countries. Let's not folow suit, but only cite proven evidences of propaganda. As always, cite sources that corroborate the information you are presenting.

CobaltBlueTony 20:00, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

To CobaltBlueTony: Yes, it is a proper way: to single out things that are naturally separate. we have Propagandaministerium for Nazi], Agitprop for Soviet (articles of poor quality, though). If someone can write about China, good luck. mikka (t) 20:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

But the general article Propaganda is really good. I agree that an article on PRC Propaganda, if we're careful to be NPOV, would be pretty natural. Frjwoolley 19:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

A Lead Worth Following

I just read this http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/international/asia/02epstein.html :

"Israel Epstein, a journalist, author and propagandist for China whose passion for Communism was fueled in long interviews with Mao in the 1940's and was not dimmed by imprisonment during the Cultural Revolution, died last Thursday at a hospital in Beijing. He was 90.

His death was announced by the official New China News Agency.

Mr. Epstein edited China Today, an English-language Chinese newsmagazine, translated the sayings and writings of Mao and Deng Xiaoping and advised the Chinese government on how to polish its overseas image. He became a Chinese citizen, joined the Communist Party and served on official government and party committees."

Sounded really interesting and lo and behold, here's a potentially great article needing some work. Would like to work on the article, but since it seems like a large task needing a lot of work (borrowing some books from the library) and there is this potential deletion hanging over the article, I will hold off for now. Anyone else thinking about helping out? Looks like there hasn't been much work on it for a few days. Should it be advertised somehow?--DownUnder555 19:37, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Survived Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Chinese propaganda.

Songs

I remember a song of end of 1950s or beginning of 1960s with lines, kind of (I may be well off with transcription; I hope it is something recognizable)

"Ghe ming zhen shee hao han"

"Gong chan dang hao"

"She hui zhu yi hao"

It was full of plain propaganda how is everything good during socialism, and communist party leads well. Is it something well known? mikka (t) 29 June 2005 00:18 (UTC)

Modern propaganda

This article covers too little about the present day applications and dissemination of propaganda - such as the dazibao stands found in every university etc. Could someone work on this? Take a few pictures if possible, I can't since I'm not in China. -Hmib 05:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Slogans

There were loads of slogans, but the part about "Continuous News" is not substantiated. Please provide some kind of evidence. I lived in China for 10 years and intermittently after that, and saw something rougly resembling that line maybe 2 times.
-- Миборовский 05:48, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

pre 1949 propaganda

The current title of the article is problematic in that CCP propaganda started way before 1949 and in fact was one of the reasons for its dramatic growth. What do people think? How do we handle this?--Moveapage 11:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Be careful drawing the line

Before 1978 All the chinese arts are funded by governments,so someone regarded all the pre-1978 cinemas,books are all the communist propaganda ones.It's not the case.--Ksyrie 09:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Tiananmen square self-immolation incident

I tagged the assertion as dubious because the statement is uncited, and needs a reliable citation to stay long-term.Ngchen 20:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

External links

I'm soliciting comment on the presence of links to commercial sites. Generally, per WP:EL, such links should be removed. However, I can see the other side of the argument in this case, namely that the links provide the reader with additional propaganda examples and good information despite being commercial.Ngchen 13:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

PRC propaganda films

There is a short list of PRC propaganda films in the article, one of them I never heard of. Does anybody have by chance information on "Grenade War" (year, director, cast, ...) ? Thanks. Croquant (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is it?

Where has this article gone, it was here not long ago and now seems to have disapered. I hope it has not been deleted as it was definately a neutral article and was a usefull source of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.116.137 (talk) 06:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

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such a neglected article...

this article seems so relevant but so neglected? amazing. I will try to find some time to add information to it based on some of the things I've been reading recently.--Asdfg12345 21:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Help with research, please..

Am just starting to research this topic a bit during spare time. Any help would be most welcome.

Sources

Sources available on this topic are so diverse, am at a lost where to start. Anyway, if you come across a good source please add below, with a short summary of what the article touches upon:

• The BBC, China's internet 'spin doctors'. A BBC article on China employing "tens of thousands" of paid agents to scour the internet, post comments supporting CCP propaganda, remove/attack information critical of the CCP, etc. A rather interesting article, and could provide info for a "Propaganda on the Internet" sub-section.

• The BBC, China TV faces propaganda charge. BBC article on Chinese intellectuals signing an open letter against CCP's use of state controlled media to "brainwash its audience". The open letter speaks against whitewashing of "serious events like the recent milk contamination scandal", "systematic bias in its news coverage", ...

• Reporters Without Borders, A “Journey to the Heart of Internet censorship” on eve of party congress. A detailed study of how China's internet Censorship system functions.

• Xinhua: the world’s biggest propaganda agency. An in-depth study of the "role of the news agency Xinhua News Agency in the system of propaganda and censorship" Sources from inside reveal to RSF "how the control imposed by the CCP’s Propaganda Department operates on a daily basis." The article goes on to analyze and expose "the distortion of facts, hatred for its enemies (particularly the United States and Japan) and its support, through the treatment of international news, for the world’s worst regimes." "Hand-picked journalists, who are regularly indoctrinated, produce reports for the Chinese media that give the official point of view and others - classified “internal reference” for the country’s leaders."

• "Living dangerously on the Net" RSF report on Chinese censorship of info on the net, paid agents involved in removal/attack of critical info, etc. Discusses agents paid to engage in "manhunt" for individual users; a bunch of laws which allow "dissemination of information jeopardizing the state" to be punished with a "death penalty".

• Regimenting the Public Mind: The Modernisation of the Propaganda System in the PRC. Dr Annie-Marie Brady, University of Canterbury. "Propaganda work...always been an essential element of the CCP hold on power. The Central Propaganda Department (Zhongyang xuanchuanbu) of the CCP sets guidelines over the Chinese media, film, drama, art, news, literature and education, and disciplines those who break the rules on what can and cannot be presented in these mediums.5 The propaganda system (xuanjiao xitong) remains one of the key groupings of bureaucracies within the Chinese political system."

• Guiding Hand: The Role of the CCP Central Propaganda Department in the Current Era. Anne-Marie Brady, Department of Political Science, University of Canterbury. "The Central Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has a central, guiding, role over the whole of Chinese society in the current era. The Central Propaganda Department oversees the Propaganda and Education System (xuanjiao xitong) which monitors, instructs and censors all of China’s newspapers and magazines, film, television and radio

broadcasting, the Internet, the publishing industry, and all aspects of cultural and information production from the highest to the lowest levels of society. In this paper I outline the structure and role of the Central Propaganda Department and the system of thought control it oversees."

Dilip rajeev (talk) 23:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Reorganizing the namespace, adding in content

The article seems to be in a very neglected state. Not a single line is sourced. The material presented is just preiphereally relevant while the real, solid scholarly analysis available is never even touched upon. There are highly irrelevant, unencyclopaedic subsections like "Famous propaganda songs" with a long list of songs, etc. A major restructuring of the article is in order, in my opinion. Any help would be most welcome.

We could have sections which allow for academic analysis to be presented including: "Historical Background", A section titled "Mechanics of Propaganda System" with subsections such as "State Control of Media", "Censorship of Journalists" , "Censorship and control of the internet", "Use of the Legal System". Other topics the article could discuss... "Evolution of the propaganda system", etc. Just a few possible subtopics that came to mind.

Will research deeper and and make contributions as soon as I can find time. Dilip rajeev (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• This article is now on my watchlist. I am sure you present your research in an objective manner. ;-) Ohconfucius (talk) 02:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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