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| ::Well, my problem with it is, that it really deliberately manipulates the history with an obvious goal. I don't think a communist poster depicting early 20th century capitalists en bloc as archetypal greedy monsters would be appropriate in an article about Great Depression. Heroic Magyars in shining armor riding a white horse, beneath them a poor farmer with oxen. Don't tell me the roles and the purpose are not obvious. And it's almost as far from reality as you can get. "it accurately (or at least semi-accurately) depicts clothing, weaponry, etc." - that's something I really doubt. And if it even were true, the painting as whole has a clear political message and is suggestive and manipulative. I think artist's visions of that time period missing such a blatant political subtext can be easily found. | ::Well, my problem with it is, that it really deliberately manipulates the history with an obvious goal. I don't think a communist poster depicting early 20th century capitalists en bloc as archetypal greedy monsters would be appropriate in an article about Great Depression. Heroic Magyars in shining armor riding a white horse, beneath them a poor farmer with oxen. Don't tell me the roles and the purpose are not obvious. And it's almost as far from reality as you can get. "it accurately (or at least semi-accurately) depicts clothing, weaponry, etc." - that's something I really doubt. And if it even were true, the painting as whole has a clear political message and is suggestive and manipulative. I think artist's visions of that time period missing such a blatant political subtext can be easily found. | ||
| ::"That painting is a whole lot better than nothing" - and that's something I strongly disagree with. ] (]) 12:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | ::"That painting is a whole lot better than nothing" - and that's something I strongly disagree with. ] (]) 12:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :::Looking over your contributions, it appears that your contributions are almost universally aimed at removing Hungarian-related content, or modifying content to be more anti-Hungarian. This isn't, in itself, a problem (everyone has a POV,) but it makes your subjective value judgements ("suggestive and manipulative," "blatant political subtext") very suspect, in my eyes. | |||
| :::In short, I think you're more prone to finding offense in Hungarian-themed works of art, contributions, etc. than what would be objectively merited. --] (]) 13:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Motto and Coat of arms
I just found this extended coat of arms of Slovakia, together with motto - Afferant Montes Pacem Populo - . I never heared about this, have someone some extended informations about this or should be the motto, together with this extended coat of arms added to the article? --EllsworthSK (talk) 10:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Samo's empire
"Western Slovakia was the centre of Samo's empire in the 7th century." There are the claims that the centre was actually somewhere in Bohemia, or it might be in southern Moravia, which itself could explain the rise of the Moravian state (Great Moravia) later. That western Slovakia was part of the Samo empire should not be contested, of course.A black hole (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
University
The hungarian kingdom's first university was established in Pécs in 1367, Sigismund's university was the second, Matthias Corvinus's university was the third. Terence75 (talk) 08:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
WW2 history
I'd like to see a source on the SNP. I don't believe that there was any connection between the war in the eastern front and the SNP. It came about regardless of the eastern front as a movement against the Nazis. My grandfather was involved in the SNP and never referred to it happening because of the changing fortune of war,... --Petethebeat (talk) 05:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- The sentence in the article misunderstands the actual circumstances. It is true, that SNP was organised to join the eastern front when it reached the country. But that was more a tactical aspect of the operation. In that way the resistance had better chance of succeeding. The changing fortune was not the motive for SNP, the regime had had its opponents ever since it was formed. I'll try to find some sources and reword it. wlad 09:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Protection
I think that this article should have a protection for a while. Because the Hungary-Slovakia conflict could be this article revised for the propaganda of boot sides. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.99.5.160 (talk) 11:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Feszty's painting
The panting should be deleted, as it really is a 19th century propaganda in the purest sense of the word. Feszty lived and painted in the era the Hungarian (and all the others for that matter) nationalism was at its peak. The monumental painting depicts heroic figures in shining armor riding white horses, which is far from the reality of the 9th century. The purpose of the painting was to strengthen the Hungarian national consciousness by deliberately manipulating history. The painting is not historically accurate in depicting the period described in the specific section of the article it is attached to. Therefore it is irrelevant to the article and that specific section. It is in-place in the article about Feszty, article about Hungarian art history etc. But it is not in place in article about Slovakia or any other article about 9th century history.Wladthemlat (talk) 20:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Honestly, I don't see the problem with the painting. Of course it depicts "heroic figures in shining armor," it's a painting, not a photograph. Is your problem with the fact that it portrays the invading Magyars in a positive light? There are obviously no "neutral" pictures depicting that period in history. That painting is a whole lot better than nothing: it accurately (or at least semi-accurately) depicts clothing, weaponry, etc. --Ashenai (talk) 12:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, my problem with it is, that it really deliberately manipulates the history with an obvious goal. I don't think a communist poster depicting early 20th century capitalists en bloc as archetypal greedy monsters would be appropriate in an article about Great Depression. Heroic Magyars in shining armor riding a white horse, beneath them a poor farmer with oxen. Don't tell me the roles and the purpose are not obvious. And it's almost as far from reality as you can get. "it accurately (or at least semi-accurately) depicts clothing, weaponry, etc." - that's something I really doubt. And if it even were true, the painting as whole has a clear political message and is suggestive and manipulative. I think artist's visions of that time period missing such a blatant political subtext can be easily found.
- "That painting is a whole lot better than nothing" - and that's something I strongly disagree with. Wladthemlat (talk) 12:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- Looking over your contributions, it appears that your contributions are almost universally aimed at removing Hungarian-related content, or modifying content to be more anti-Hungarian. This isn't, in itself, a problem (everyone has a POV,) but it makes your subjective value judgements ("suggestive and manipulative," "blatant political subtext") very suspect, in my eyes.
- In short, I think you're more prone to finding offense in Hungarian-themed works of art, contributions, etc. than what would be objectively merited. --Ashenai (talk) 13:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)