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| *'''Keep'''. Probably notable, as per B. Wind. ] 07:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC) | *'''Keep'''. Probably notable, as per B. Wind. ] 07:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC) | ||
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Revision as of 20:51, 15 December 2005
Joaquin Maria Gutierrez
This article was previously deleted in this AfD. Some questions on the help desk lead to this deletion being reviewed. Some new information was found that may justify keeping the (restored) article e.g. . -Splash 04:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Weak delete. The prizes look borderline notable, but ultimately a talented high-schooler looks non-notable. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 07:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, and rewrite. The article is too poorly written, giving the impression that he's just one more un-notable kid in the world. It's not even up-to-date. Don Diego] 07:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Needs a rewrite and sources, though. Lupo 12:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. The maths prizes are not a reason for inclusion, winning national grade/high school music competitions aren't either in my opinion. Solo performances in front of large international audiences might be, but I don't see nearly enough evidence for exceptional talent and fame as a prodigy on google. -- Marcika 13:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. Vanity. Proto t c 14:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. This is the kind of problem I am talking about. The article is so poorly written that the importance of his achievements don't come through. He did not win a school competition, it was a nationwide competition, in all instances. What constitutes a prodigy, may I ask? Is it Google sources? If you want some more evidence, may I direct you to , which is a government archive. It clearly states in one section that President Arroyo awarded Gutierrez an Achiever Award. Personally, I think that for a single person to attract the attention of a president, in whatever nation, he has to be quite talented or skilled or notable or whatever word you'd like to use. I do not think this is a vanity article or anything similar. This kid is fast on the rise, and sooner or later, somebody's going to write him in here, whether you like it or not, so what's the use in deleting it? Don Diego] 15:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Then perhaps you could be bold and rewrite the article, as you are clearly well informed on this young man, and so would be well-placed to reshape this abhorrence into something that can convince people the article should exist. His being 'fast on the rise' is not going to convince anyone that an article should exist on him now. Misplaced Pages is WP:NOT a crystal ball. Proto t c 15:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. This is the kind of problem I am talking about. The article is so poorly written that the importance of his achievements don't come through. He did not win a school competition, it was a nationwide competition, in all instances. What constitutes a prodigy, may I ask? Is it Google sources? If you want some more evidence, may I direct you to , which is a government archive. It clearly states in one section that President Arroyo awarded Gutierrez an Achiever Award. Personally, I think that for a single person to attract the attention of a president, in whatever nation, he has to be quite talented or skilled or notable or whatever word you'd like to use. I do not think this is a vanity article or anything similar. This kid is fast on the rise, and sooner or later, somebody's going to write him in here, whether you like it or not, so what's the use in deleting it? Don Diego] 15:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Not well written, but competing in the International Math Olympiad as a 12-year-old is probably notable. Weak keep. (ESkog) 17:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Rewrite the heck out of it While I don't like overacheivers as much as the next guy, they're here to stay. International awards, national prestige (you know, for a violinist) and all of that are notable. The article is rambling and needs to be fixed up. DeathThoreau 18:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable. -- Kjkolb 03:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- It looks notable enough to be kept, so long as it is rewritten, and fast. I say give the boy a chance. Perhaps we give Don Diego around a week to write? And if it's still in shambles, then delete. {{User:JMBell/sig}} 08:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. When his career gets going, he can come back and write another vanity page. Eusebeus 15:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- Any editors from the Philippines chiming in on this? I hesitate to say that the Filipino violinist is nn because of relative lack of exposure to someone who could be quite notable in his country. Take five and see if his countrymen, if possible, can tell us about this person's notariety (or lack thereof). For every one page of promotion the Philippines disseminates in the international media, the United States puts out at least 20,000. If the article is kept, a rewrite is in order, but at least it's salvageable. B.Wind 18:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as incredible vanity/fiction. Jake013 18:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC) (Racist ranting removed. Lupo 11:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC))
- Oh yeah, the original VfD nominator Jake013 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). No edits since October 18, and then comes back just for this racist rant? Gimme a break! Lupo 11:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Probably notable, as per B. Wind. Wellmann 07:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete per Lulu. Stifle 10:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete another Ivan Cherevko? Grue 20:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)