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——————————————— Wee Curry Monster's Talk Page ——————————————— Wee Curry Monster is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Misplaced Pages soon. Please note that it is 6:08 AM (GMT), where I live I will normally reply to your message on your talk page but will frequently reply here if it is warranted. To be honest, the way I respond is chaotic and haphazard, don't be offended if I forget. For information, I have removed all user pages from my watchlist and the drama boards of WP:ANI and WP:AN, I am not interested in that nonsense. One of my pet hates is the drive by tagger. People whose sole contribution to wikipedia is adding multiple {{cn}} tags to articles but never getting off their lazy backsides to find citations themselves. One aspect of this that is particularly irritating is they're often added in the middle of a sentence ignoring the existing citation, which 99% of the time corroborates the information. If you remove unneeded tags, provide an edit summary to that effect, their usual response is to edit war a tag back pompously spouting off about policy. If you're one of these people coming here to give me a lecture because I removed your tag, well, I strongly suggest you don't. I recommend WP:SOFIXIT ie get off your lazy backside and do the donkey work yourself instead of leaving it to others. I realise this is personal opinion but I consider the only use for tags is A) as a personal reminder to go back and fix something, B) to tag something you're concerned about, intuitively feel is correct but you can't find a cite or finally C) you've tried to find a cite, can't corroborate information but someone is edit warring challenged material back into an article. Do any of those and its thumbs up from me! Please post new messages at the bottom of this page and don't forget to give your message a heading. Remember to sign using the four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message. Please be civil, if you fail to be civil I will simply ignore you. As a Glaswegian (born, bred and proud of it) I speak directly and don't pussy foot around. Whilst I'm direct, I do try to be polite. I have observed there are far too many editors on Misplaced Pages who take offence at comments I and others make. Usually this is because they read into a comment, a totally unintended meaning. Remember text is a crap medium for conveying nuance. What you interpret as sarcasm in all probability was a light hearted or jocular remark. Textual communication is further complicated by cultural differences in the way English is used. For example: An American describing something as quite nice will mean it as a compliment, whereas a Brit is more than likely saying it is crap. If you find yourself here after taking offence at something I've written, breathe, count to ten and assume good faith before posting. If I've deleted your message, basically that means I've read it and nothing else. I do tend to delete what I regard as niff naff and trivia. Repeatedly adding the same message to my talk page will simply piss me off and more than likely just be deleted. Refer to WP:3RR, I can delete comments on my own talk page if I like but you don't get to badger me. Per WP:UP#CMT I am perfectly within my rights to remove comments. If you're asked not to comment here then please respect that and don't. There are a number of friendly talk page stalkers, who have my permission to remove comments that are unwelcome. If they do so, please respect my wishes and do not revert. I do not claim to be infallible, occasionally I'll revert something in error. I've also noticed a tendency when editing on my tablet to occasionally hit Rollback by accident. If you've spotted what you think is a strange edit of mine, accidental rollback is usually the answer. Feel free to point it out to me but if its rollback I would suggest you just revert; I don't mind people fixing my screw ups. If you're here because of the revert of a reasonable edit, then may I suggest you first of all ask yourself did you provide an informative edit summary or properly source the edit I reverted. You will find a civil comment will receive a reply (and most likely an apology if warranted). User:Antandrus some time ago wrote an excellent essay entitled observations on Misplaced Pages behavior. I suggest it as recommended reading to everyone. I used to do a lot of work on recent changes patrolling to stop wikifiddling, vandalism and partisan changes to the articles on my watchlist. I don't tend to do that much these days but long ago came to the conclusion that most people who post such crap do so because they think Misplaced Pages exists to right great wrongs or set the world to rights. Sorry but, newsflash, it doesn't; its an encyclopedia nothing more. A bed rock policy of Misplaced Pages is to present a neutral point of view. Contrary to popular opinion this does not mean we have to represent ALL views. Rather wikipedia represents the predominant views in the literature, this doesn't mean that we represent fringe material with undue prominence. The more advanced POV pushers decide after reading a bit of policy that sourcing makes their edits bulletproof. Wrong again. Sources have to be reliable, so the conspiracy website or the book by a crank doesn't mean your edit is sacrosanct. If you've come to wikipedia because you're convinced J. Edgar Hoover was the second gunman on the grassy knoll please jog on. I've pointed you to relevant policy about why your edit was removed in what was intended to be a humorous manner, so please don't bug me any further. The essay WP:DICK is often trotted out on wikipedia, I try not to refer it to myself anymore. Why? It's my observation that most editors who refer to that essay are complete and utter dicks themselves. It's a sad fact that there are still a lot of arseholes editing wikipedia, it's not worth getting into a spat with them as they're determined they will have the last word and thereby "win" the discussion. Sometimes, best thing is to just walk away and as my grannie used to say "let the baby have it's chocolate". If you're new to Misplaced Pages, please see Welcome to Misplaced Pages or frequently asked questions. If you need editing help, head here.

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Gibraltarian people

Thanks, I believe RedCoat has already dealt with it. Regards, --Gibmetal 77 16:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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Derry

Yes I am aware. The whole imbroglio over the name leaves me cold, edit warring over whether it was changed from Derry or to Londonderry seems even more crazy than the dispute over the transitional name for Zimbabwe-Rhodesia/Rhodesia-Zimbabwe. But they are all capable of calling an admin if it gets beyond 3RR. Rich Farmbrough, 13:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC).

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Your block in the Spanish Misplaced Pages

Hi Justin, I've left you a message in your discussion page in the Spanish Misplaced Pages. You've been unblocked and your discussion page unprotected. Although you didn't break the 3RR rule, your editions, as you know, are disruptive, even considering the English Misplaced Pages standards.

Some things you did it wrong:

1. Edit warring: even if you "only" reverted once a day, you were removing editions that were both attributed (to the Argentinean Army) and sourced (there is even a British source).
2. Lack of explanations for your edition: even if your Spanish is poor, the proper way of explaining editions, especially when there is an edit war is the discussion page of the article, not the edition summary. Using generic statements (in English!) such as "fails NPOV" is not a proper way of explaining why you are edit warring (mind that here in the Spanish wikipedia, we tend to be quite understanding when people has difficulty in making herself understood; we don't have rules preventing people from using languages other than Spanish). You've even allowed to use English in the Administrators' Board, even answering to an alert in Spanish!!! (BTW, the alert only requested you to explain the reasons of your reversions in the discussion page, something that you consistently refused to do)
3. POV: yes, the edition you're deleting again and again is POV. However, the very manual on NPOV in the English Misplaced Pages teaches how to deal with this particular case. See Misplaced Pages:NPOV tutorial#Space and balance: "Often an author presents one POV because it's the only one that he or she knows well. The remedy is to add to the article — not to subtract from it."

Moreover, some of your comments on the issue are totally reprehensible and could be considered, as you like to name it, patronizing and even racist (I know the story about your descent, it's not necessary to mention it again). See:

• "it appears that Neutral Point of View (NPOV) means nothing on the Spanish wikipedia"
• "is what is neutral on the Spanish wikipedia is it?", "this is the Spanish wikipedia and we wouldn't want anything to contradict Argentine propaganda would we", "I guess thats immaterial to the cabal of Spanish language editors who patrol Falklands articles and only allow the Argentine POV to be represented"
• "they don't care about NPOV", "They'll block you on the flimsiest pretext, its a farce"
• "rm patronising comment"

You're free to explain your editions in the appropriate place, but please, don't start an edit war again. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 23:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Accusing someone of making racist statements is a pretty serious thing Ecemaml, and something I suggest you strike out. You appear to be making the mistake of confusing the Spanish wikipedia as being synonymous with Spain and the Spanish people. --Narson ~ Talk • 10:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Narson, its fine, I don't think Ecemaml is actually accusing me of racism. More that certain editors on the Spanish wikipedia made assumptions about my origins and interpreted my comments. He at least had the good grace to revert a bad block on the Spanish wikipedia. Justin talk 10:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

River coordinates

FYI WP:GEO has a whole page somewhere on dealing with linear features. Ah, here we are. In this case the obvious answer is to do the mouth, where it should be biggest. Obviously a single coordinate doesn't describe something as complex as a river, but it's still useful to tie it to a coordinate. Partly because it's still useful to give readers a rough idea of where it is (particularly in conjunction with the new dimension attribute), partly because if it doesn't have a coord, it won't appear on Google/Bing/etc Maps, where "locals" may be able to see it and be sucked into improving the article. Don't worry about Moody Brook, I was literally about to start work on the UK OT coords, and wondered what had happened to it! <g> 82.3.241.225 (talk) 11:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Span

There are reasons whyy several of us do not edit there any moore. Try suggesting that Pinochet was the president, and you will get banned.--Die4Dixie (talk) 07:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

A favour

Sorry, I just read you post on my talk page now. I must say I sympathise with you but try not to stress out too much just for your own good : )

He hasn't replied today so I'll just keep an eye out for the moment... Regards, --Gibmetal 77 11:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Imperial/Metric Order Preference

Justin, Please see my comments at Template talk:Infobox Country#Imperial/Metric Order Preference. Peter Horn User talk 14:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Jor 70: clueless

A complete surprise for me, Justin. Unfortunately, I have no e-mail adress, no es:Misplaced Pages account to contact him. I hope he can rejoin WP soon.--Darius (talk) 12:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm back

I could even try and edit a Gibraltar article :-p (it's a joke). See you soon --Ecemaml (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

RfC for War of the Pacific

Hi Justin,

I started a RfC in the Talk Page in order to improve War of the Pacific. I would appreciate your opinion and advice to the theme. Please, feel free to improve the grammer, style or spelling of the text. --Keysanger (talk) 17:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)