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| ::When I first started giving talks, I was advised: "Never tell a joke with a victim" and "Never tell a joke unless you know and understand your audience's sense of humor." ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 03:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC) | ::When I first started giving talks, I was advised: "Never tell a joke with a victim" and "Never tell a joke unless you know and understand your audience's sense of humor." ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 03:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :::Mattisse, your was - well, not very sensible: | |||
| :::*It did not focus on the content - in this case it was hard to see whether there was any content, and that should have been a warning sign. | |||
| :::*It refers to incidents (joke socks, joke blocks) that got you into trouble. | |||
| :::*Some prior posts in that discussion was by an editor with whom you've had trouble (including one of your "monitoring" discussions that the editor in question phrased in a very hostile way). Despite ], I think it likely that editors with whom you've had conflict are mor elikely to interpret your words unfavourably. | |||
| :::*While you're an excellent editor, you don't (so far) seem to be good at jokes in the WP environment. | |||
| :::Right now I don't see a need any remedial action from you. For example your comments contain no phrases that should be rephrased. So for now I think you should simply avoid such unnecessary risks. --] (]) 06:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Problematic addition at AC/N
UnitAnode 23:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- You're right, it didn't exactly help. But there is a question here as to whether most any other comment on that thread was "productive" either. An infraction, yes, but there is a question as to whether Mattisse should be singled out for taking part in a joke, which appears to be what she is doing here. And I don't really see any comments on the motivations of any parties. Calling the unspecified subject a "joke ArbCom (sic)" seems at worst more a generic criticism than any attempt to speculate on the motivations of others. But I could be wrong, and I'd welcome any other input. John Carter (talk) 00:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- "There are none so blind as those who will not see." --Malleus Fatuorum 00:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Is the above comment supposed to make any form of sense, I wonder? I certainly cannot see how the quotation without amplification makes any sort of sense. Could you perhaps say something directly relevant to this situation, rather than quoting? John Carter (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced...actually, I'm wholly unconvinced that Mattisse is adept at satire and that that post was a joke. I think she's serious. --Moni3 (talk) 00:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Is the above comment supposed to make any form of sense, I wonder? I certainly cannot see how the quotation without amplification makes any sort of sense. Could you perhaps say something directly relevant to this situation, rather than quoting? John Carter (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- "There are none so blind as those who will not see." --Malleus Fatuorum 00:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it was directly addressed to you John. You appear to be completely blind to what is going on here. Time that you wised up I think. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- It was meant as a joke, but it is true that I am wholly incapable of understanding what is a joke on Misplaced Pages and what is not. You are saying that was not a joke thread, so making a joke was inappropriate of me? I can't tell what is real and what is not. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 00:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Put it to the Duck Test. Or to Occam's Razor. Usually good guidance from application of those standards. Hamster Sandwich (talk) 00:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- It was meant as a joke, but it is true that I am wholly incapable of understanding what is a joke on Misplaced Pages and what is not. You are saying that was not a joke thread, so making a joke was inappropriate of me? I can't tell what is real and what is not. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 00:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- It didn't read as a joke to me. It struck me as veiled griping about the Geogre thing again. The thread to that point basically consisted of people teasing each other. Mattisse's comment didn't strike me that way. Anyway, I just saw it as something that was potentially quite problematic, so I posted it here. Do with it what you will. UnitAnode 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Geogre? He never crossed my mind. How is he involved in this? He did not have jokes, as far as I know. —mattisse (Talk) 01:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mattisse's comments about her previous "jokes" regarding Bishonen indicate to me that, if true, her sense of humor is markedly different than my own, and that is why I personally reserve judgement. I acknowledge that others will see things the way they are inclined to, including me. The earnestness of the comment "I'm smiling", etc., is one of the factors in making me think it may have been intended as a joke to maybe "break the ice", and I could certainly understand the motivation behind that. The fact that the thread is about Risker, who was associated with Geogre, is a concern, and the comment could be taken, even by me, as a bit of a "dig" into Risker, or maybe Bishonen, or ArbCom, or whoever the comment is about, I'm not honestly sure there. However, I acknowledge the potential ambiguity, or, at least to me, the very real ambiguity, of the comment. If nothing else, I might suggest refraining from jokes which might be interpreted as "cutting". The downside there is, of course, that many jokes are insulting to someone at some level. So, like I said, I'm leaning toward taking her at her word here, but acknowledge that the joke, if that is what it was, could, maybe, have been funnier and more obviously an attempt at humor? If it was not intended as a joke, however, I would agree that "cutting humor" is probably a bad idea for anyone, including Mattisse, and would urge her to refrain from it. John Carter (talk) 01:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- You're very trusting, that's all I'll say. Given the context, who the thread was about, and the fact that it wasn't in the least bit funny, you're very trusting. UnitAnode 02:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I obviously don't belong to the "culture" that pervades Misplaced Pages. I am one of those editors that does not "fit in" to the pervailing class that make profane and other obnoxious "jokes" constantly. Does that I am excluded from ever making a comment? As far as I know, my content contributions have been gratefully accepted. Is the problem that I am not of the "class" that is allowed to comment? Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 01:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mattisse's comments about her previous "jokes" regarding Bishonen indicate to me that, if true, her sense of humor is markedly different than my own, and that is why I personally reserve judgement. I acknowledge that others will see things the way they are inclined to, including me. The earnestness of the comment "I'm smiling", etc., is one of the factors in making me think it may have been intended as a joke to maybe "break the ice", and I could certainly understand the motivation behind that. The fact that the thread is about Risker, who was associated with Geogre, is a concern, and the comment could be taken, even by me, as a bit of a "dig" into Risker, or maybe Bishonen, or ArbCom, or whoever the comment is about, I'm not honestly sure there. However, I acknowledge the potential ambiguity, or, at least to me, the very real ambiguity, of the comment. If nothing else, I might suggest refraining from jokes which might be interpreted as "cutting". The downside there is, of course, that many jokes are insulting to someone at some level. So, like I said, I'm leaning toward taking her at her word here, but acknowledge that the joke, if that is what it was, could, maybe, have been funnier and more obviously an attempt at humor? If it was not intended as a joke, however, I would agree that "cutting humor" is probably a bad idea for anyone, including Mattisse, and would urge her to refrain from it. John Carter (talk) 01:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Geogre? He never crossed my mind. How is he involved in this? He did not have jokes, as far as I know. —mattisse (Talk) 01:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mattisse, funny or not, the comments were not opportune or timely. I'm sure that you can look at the people involved and see that there would only be a negative reaction. Please be more careful next time and don't make yourself vulnerable by making such comments. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- When I first started giving talks, I was advised: "Never tell a joke with a victim" and "Never tell a joke unless you know and understand your audience's sense of humor." MastCell 03:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mattisse, your AC/N comment was - well, not very sensible:
- It did not focus on the content - in this case it was hard to see whether there was any content, and that should have been a warning sign.
- It refers to incidents (joke socks, joke blocks) that got you into trouble.
- Some prior posts in that discussion was by an editor with whom you've had trouble (including one of your "monitoring" discussions that the editor in question phrased in a very hostile way). Despite WP:AGF, I think it likely that editors with whom you've had conflict are mor elikely to interpret your words unfavourably.
- While you're an excellent editor, you don't (so far) seem to be good at jokes in the WP environment.
- Right now I don't see a need any remedial action from you. For example your comments contain no phrases that should be rephrased. So for now I think you should simply avoid such unnecessary risks. --Philcha (talk) 06:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mattisse, your AC/N comment was - well, not very sensible: