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Congratulations

Congrats! Majorly talk 01:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Indeed; congrats and best of luck. –Juliancolton |  01:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Until It Sleeps 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Major congrats! Anti-Nationalist (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I think you get a week of paternity leave. It's in the admin contract. See you back here soon. :P MastCell  02:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Take as much time as you can with your new addition because the years go by fast. The little tyke will be borrowing your credit card and staying out past curfew before you know it. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Excellent news, congratulations! Now focus on fun with the family, as Boris wisely says. Time flies! . . dave souza, talk 08:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, all! Jehochman 14:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! 8lb 9oz is a big little guy. All the best to the mom. Finell (Talk) 17:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he's a moose. Jehochman 17:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Big time congratulations! All the best, nothing in the world compares -...Modernist (talk) 22:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Life will never be the same :) Kafka Liz (talk) 23:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

You're in for some fun times. Good luck. :) Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 23:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too. You will be very familar with nappies in the next months, perhalps too familiar. Good luck with it! Ceoil (talk) 00:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

(Outdent) Wonderful new, enjoy! I wish you and your family the best in everything. --CrohnieGal 15:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

All the best Verbal chat 16:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I obviously missed something, but it's not hard to guess what it is. Congratulations! I wouldn't mind another one myself, actually. Hans Adler 11:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

2009 flu pandemic

Em, congratulations! Please move the following text to the article talk or elsewhere if you think appropriate.

You asked SandyGeorgia for some advice on going to FAC. I've not (yet) written any medical FAs but I'm working on it, and I've reviewed quite a few. I've really struggled with this article because it is unlike any medical article I've read. There are sections that are plain disease-article sections but half of it is current affairs, historical analysis and what-we-think-we-know information. I'll start with some comments on the sources.

The sources include some medical journals but mostly newspapers, CDC reports, WHO press releases and news-wire reports. WP:MEDRS doesn't recommend newspapers for medical facts. In order to meet FAC's "professional standards of ... sourcing", I think the medical facts about influenza (characteristics, symptoms and severity, vaccination, treatment, epidemiology, historical pandemics) should be sourced per WP:MEDRS to professional medical journals and books. The CDC/WHO reports can be considered primary sources on the state of scientific knowledge/advice about pandemic influenza as it happened. Newspapers shouldn't be used if they are just covering the same ground as the official reports, but sometimes they are useful for interviews or government statements not otherwise published. Most of the newspapers look to be quality broadsheets, but I see some local newspapers, FOX News and some TV video clips being used.

Some of the sources will date quickly. For example, the sources of virus characteristics date from May 2009. Some just seem inappropriate. We have the CEO of Smithfield Foods being cited for the "Origin is unknown" statement. I see one blog (virology.blog). Some of the sources aren't static. The "Swine flu latest" on www.nhs.uk is continually updated. The WHO Situation Updates webpage is really just a contents page to a series of weekly updates.

At times the article reads a bit like a US government fact sheet. There's a lot of "the CDC recommends this", "the CDC estimates that", "the CDC reports that". As a UK reader, it leaves me alienated, thinking this is a US article. Is this style encyclopaedic? Sometimes, it is necessary to document what officials said at the time, but other times we should just state facts as facts. For example, in the Virus Characteristics section, why do we say "A study at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, published in May 2009, found " and later "In July 2009, the CDC noted that most infections were ..." Surely an encyclopaedia would just state the virus characteristics, without attributing the research in the body text or dating it?

Back to the FA considerations. I'm not sure that pushing this to FA is either possible or desirable. That's just my current impression and I'm willing to listen to objections. With sourcing, for example, there's a jump between what is acceptable for WP:V and what is considered "professional" for FA. This is the very essence of an article where everyone thinks they can add something. It needs to be bang-up-to-date so can't hang around for some review in the Lancet. This continual insertion of updates means it is more a collection of information, grouped by section, than an article that has been planned and flows through a story. The multi-author aspect is what is great about WP but too many cooks can spoil an FA. If this were to achieve FA, I'd worry that folk would be so determined to maintain the high standards, that new information was rejected because the sourcing was mediocre, it wasn't great prose or that it was tacked on the end of some unrelated paragraph. Perhaps there are some current-affairs FAs that prove me wrong here? I suspect that to maintain FA standards, the article would need a full time WikiDoc with access to the latest information in the BMJ, NEJM, Lancet and other journals.

A quick search on PubMed found the following articles which may be useful. These are just from the first few pages of results going back to September. There are pages and pages of relevant results that could be mined. I haven't looked at the full-text of these articles -- just the PubMed listing.

Sorry this is a bit rambling and negative. I actually think this is a good article and an good example of WP editors working to report a current topic well. I'm just not sure that FA is the appropriate destination. Colin° 21:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

• Scalera NM, Mossad SB. The first Pandemic of the 21st Century: A Review of the 2009 Pandemic Variant Influenza A (H1N1) Virus. Postgrad Med. 2009 Sep;121(5):43-47. PMID 19820273.
• Armstrong C. CDC Releases Guidelines on H1N1 Vaccination and Prevention of Seasonal Influenza. Am Fam Physician. 2009 Oct 1;80(7):744. PMID 19817344.
• Keogh-Brown MR, Wren-Lewis S, Edmunds WJ, Beutels P, Smith RD. The possible macroeconomic impact on the UK of an influenza pandemic. Health Econ. 2009 Oct 8. PMID 19816886.
• Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Update on Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccines. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2009 Oct 9;58(39):1100-1. PMID 19816398.
• Thompson WW, Moore MR, Weintraub E, Cheng PY, Jin X, Bridges CB, Bresee JS, Shay DK. Estimating influenza-associated deaths in the United States. Am J Public Health. 2009 Oct;99 Suppl 2:S225-30. PMID 19797736.
• Gordon SM. Update on 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) virus. Cleve Clin J Med. 2009 Oct;76(10):577-82. PMID 19797457.
• Peiris JS, Tu WW, Yen HL. A novel H1N1 virus causes the first pandemic of the 21(st) Century. Eur J Immunol. 2009 Sep 29. PMID 19790188.
• Pratt RJ. The global swine flu pandemic 1: exploring the background to influenza viruses. Nurs Times. 2009 Sep 1-7;105(34):18-21. PMID 19788110.
• Cordova-Villalobos JA, Sarti E, Arzoz-Padres J, Manuell-Lee G, Romero J, Kuri-Morales PA. The influenza A(H1N1) epidemic in Mexico. Lessons learned. Health Res Policy Syst. 2009 Sep 28;7(1):21. PMID 19785747.
• Kieny MP. WHO supports fair access to influenza A (H1N1) vaccine. Bull World Health Organ. 2009 Sep;87(9):653-4. PMID 19784443.
• Wise J. Children are likely to need two doses of swine flu vaccine. BMJ. 2009 Sep 25;339:b3969. doi: 10.1136/bmj.b3969. PMID 19783577.

Thank you so much. Due to events identified above, I am going to be taking a break, just popping in occasionally for a little maintenance, but nothing too heavy. Perhaps when I have more time the pandemic will be history, and then we can get it up to FA. Your advice makes good sense. Best regards, Jehochman 02:56, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

Nice job with your new little one. I hope you and your family have a happy and healthy future ahead! Today better then yesterday tomorrow better then today! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Babies are fun (and sleep-depriving)! Good luck with your little one :) Karanacs (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Search Analytics

Thoughts on the page Search Analytics. Not sure what to make of it. Spam? Could be nothing. New pages in this subject matter bring out the skeptic in me. ;) thanks--Hu12 (talk) 18:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Speed of light

I see you've been sucked into the SoL morass, or at least commented on it. There is a lot of confusion there. I don't think it is really so complex: I've just said which attempts to explain what I think is going on.

You said: (14:00, 21 September 2009) measuring the speed of light with a meter stick is a tautology - no, it isn't (well not really), and several people seem to have made this mistake. Hopefully makes it clear, but to belabour it in this context: once you've defined the speed of light, you can measure the metre. If you define the metre, you can measure the speed of light (assuming you know the second, in both cases).

You said: Would it not make sense to add one sentence to speed of light to indicate that as of 1983, the speed of light is known so accurately, and believe to be so invariant (in a vacuum, in an inertial frame) that is it use to define the length of a meter? - that is what I thought. I've done it , maybe it will last.

DT said: I had such a hard job trying to persuade some people on the talk page that the new SI speed of light was in fact a tautology. And it is surely a tautology. He is wrong. But I don't think anyone has made a very good ob of pointing out why (before me, of course :-).

DT is fond of quoting One then does not need to perform any experiment to prove the constancy of the speed of light: it is built into the definition of the units and so has become a tautology. Note that this is *not* the same thing as DT is saying above: this quote does *not* ssay that the definition is a tautology: it says that saying the SoL is constant is a tautology. That is true, but uninteresting, in the same way as saying that the metre was constant before was a tautology.

William M. Connolley (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Jehochman's Day!

User:Jehochman has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Jehochman's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Jehochman! Peace, Rlevse 00:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Cheers to that! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:07, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!! Jehochman 01:13, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Not!

With regard to your edit summary here; things will not be normal for you for at least 18 years. Congratulations. MBisanz 19:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

That's quite true Jman, but congrats! — Rlevse • Talk • 20:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Jacurek and the IP

Hi, Jehochman. I don't know if you've gotten a chance to review the question about Jacurek's possible socking and the IP whose edits on the Holocaust topic I'd mentioned earlier, but I guess I should withdraw my concerns about him. The IP I was talking about registered as Sourcelat0r and came to my page to discuss his edits, clarifying that I misread his comments on the Jedwabne talk page as a Holocaust revisionist interpretation. We've clarified the issue here , and he has my apologies. Sourcelat0r did not come across the way Jacurek did, despite the notable overlap in article interest I'd noted earlier, and I should say that I don't think it was him. Thanks for looking into my SPI question earlier.

Best, Anti-Nationalist (talk) 22:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Note however that A-N/PU has adamantly refused to apologize to Jacurek for calling him a Holocaust revisionist and accusing him of sockpuppetting, even after he found out he was completely wrong, and perhaps more disturbingly, even after he apologized to the anon IP that made the edits.radek (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Problem with Daedalus969

Thanks for warning Daedalus969. Should I do anything else or should I leave things as they are now that you're aware of the problem? Moby-Dick3000 (talk) 12:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Save the diff of my warning. If there are further problems, show that diff to any administrator. Jehochman 14:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again. Moby-Dick3000 (talk) 14:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Carljung

Is the IP user 24.187.199.178, on ANI about Ckatz, a sock? Ckatz reply on ANI seems to suggest it, could you go there and reply? Cheers. HarryAlffa (talk) 15:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Please ask User:Hersfold and show him this thread. Hersfold ran a checkuser. Normally we protect IP privacy, though that protection can be voided if the IP is engaged in mischief. Jehochman 15:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Shallow analysis

Your admonishment said this was original research. This is incorrect, it is entirely backed up by the provided reference on that page - please correct this. Thanks.

Had another look at this edit, recast to remove synth, didn't spot it before cut and paste - also changed the title of the section, as that too must be viewed as synth. HarryAlffa (talk) 10:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:NPA. Hmm. Actual lies and deceit?

If I may quote Misplaced Pages:Civil#Identifying_incivility, 2. Other uncivil behaviors c)lying to mislead, including deliberately asserting false information

It would appear clear that this is exactly what Ckatz & Ruslik have done.

In the ANI, what is to be done about their removal of cited material? What reassurances can you give that this won't happen again? What of the other issues raised there? Ckatz accusation of harassment for which there is no evidence provided, or to be found - I looked, perhaps you will be more skilled than I and find the obvious evidence for this harassment.

I trust that you will re-evaluate your judgement of this situation with deeper analysis, re-open the ANI, and address Ckatz & Ruslik vis-à-vis WP:Civil. Thank you.

HarryAlffa (talk) 13:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Not likely. You had best disengage from this conflict. Jehochman 13:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm impressed! You are a quick thinker! An evaluating, deep analysis in under 4 minutes of all the evidence provided in the ANI! I will waste no more of my, or your, time. HarryAlffa (talk) 13:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I've been watching that thread for several days. It's not like you can suddenly convince me to change my view by posting half a dozen lines of commentary on my talk page. I've been deliberating on whether to block you for a month or indefinitely. You've been around since 2007 and seem to have some capacity for making useful edits, so I decided not to block you at all. I am really hoping you'll try much harder to follow WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. Jehochman 14:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Teach me

You are a smart guy, I'm a reasonably smart guy. Maybe I'm overlooking something without realising it.

Here is the edit I made to the Aurora (astronomy) article

Auroras are the result of the emissions of photons in the Earth's upper atmosphere, above 80 km (50 miles), from ionized nitrogen atoms regaining an electron, and oxygen and nitrogen atoms returning from an excited state to ground state. They are ionized or excited by the collision of solar wind particles being funnelled down, and accelerated along, the Earth's magnetic field lines; excitation energy is lost by the emission of a photon of light, or by collision with another atom or molecule.

oxygen emissions

Green or brownish-red, depending on the amount of energy absorbed.

nitrogen emissions

Blue or red. Blue if the atom regains an electron after it has been ionized. Red if returning to ground state from an excited state.

Oxygen is a little unusual in terms of it's return to ground state, it can take three quarters of a second to emit green light, and up to two minutes to emit red. Collisions with other atoms or molecules will absorb the excitation energy and prevent emission. The very top of the atmosphere is both a higher percentage of oxygen, and so thin that such collisions are rare enough to allow time for oxygen to emit red. Collisions become more frequent progressing down into the atmosphere, so that red emissions don't have time to happen, and eventually even green light emissions are prevented.

This is why there is a colour differential with altitude, high altitude oxygen red dominates, then oxygen green and nitrogen blue/red, then finally nitrogen blue/red when collisions prevent oxygen from emitting anything.

Auroras are mostly only visible when a coronal mass ejection, or similar events, fires plasma, and also magnetic field, from the surface of the Sun toward the Earth. The relatively high density of material means a higher intensity of Aurora, and the snapping of some field lines of the Earth's own magnetic field, and their subsequent reconnect, funnels and accelerates the charged particles down in a large circle around the Earth's poles. Seen from space, these fiery curtains form a thin ring in the shape of a monks tonsure, or man's bald spot.

In the ANI Ruslik said

Referenced? The only link (web link, not reference) that you managed to insert is this one, which, however, contains almost no useful information. So, your version is uncited and contains serious errors and omissions. You removed a lot of useful information about auroral emissions, and you are trying to use a confusing terminology, which you invented yourself.

— Ruslik

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Which I picked out these points

1. only one reference
2. "contains almost no useful information"
3. "removed a lot of useful information about auroral emissions"
4. I am guilty of neologism

How do you think I should have described these points in Ruslik's comment? HarryAlffa (talk) 11:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I have no feelings on the initial content dispute. That's something I looked at, and could not figure out who was right. Your subsequent interactions were not particularly helpful. If you'd like my help mediating the content dispute, please start a discussion on the article talk page, and issue invitations to the relevant parties. I'll be glad to help. I've written a top importance, featured astronomy article. My opinions are not entirely ignorant. Jehochman 19:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

RFA spam

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Discuss this

Hello

Thanks for comming to the conclution and closing the ARE case. And I can assure you that if you run checkuser there is no blocks or restrictions on whatever eventually found. Regards Mr Unsigned Anon (talk) 02:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)