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| :::::: I find it puzzling that every time I reffer to the Nazi by the word Nazi there is always some drama, Godwin's Laws and what not. How am i supposed to call them then? The reality of the matter is that the Nazis expected an easy victory at Westernplatte but then suffered far greater losses than expected. Since that didn't feel too well into their concept of "ubermensch" it's more than likely that they doctored the stats a little bit. IMO people who were capable of this were quite capable of everything. But to answer your question, lets put it this way: if I have to choose between the Nazi stats and the stats of the People's Republic of Poland I'd pick the later 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. ] (]) 01:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC) | :::::: I find it puzzling that every time I reffer to the Nazi by the word Nazi there is always some drama, Godwin's Laws and what not. How am i supposed to call them then? The reality of the matter is that the Nazis expected an easy victory at Westernplatte but then suffered far greater losses than expected. Since that didn't feel too well into their concept of "ubermensch" it's more than likely that they doctored the stats a little bit. IMO people who were capable of this were quite capable of everything. But to answer your question, lets put it this way: if I have to choose between the Nazi stats and the stats of the People's Republic of Poland I'd pick the later 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. ] (]) 01:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Expulsion of Germans / Warsaw
An RfC has opened about this issue at Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II#RfC: Nazi atrocities in Warsaw. Skäpperöd (talk) 05:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dr. Dan (talk) 05:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Vilna
I don't think that there is a simple answer to your question, because I do not believe that "nationality" is an objective category. Basically, it is a matter of cultural self-identification rather than of scientific distinction. Personally, I think that the only acceptable answer is Bogart's in Casablanca.
So, for Jews in Vilna, the answer must be specific to the individual. For some, it would be appropriate to put "Jewish" as their nationality, while for others "Lithuanian" or "Russian" would be better. In the case of Trotsky, which first caught your attention, it is clear that he did nor identify as a Jew, and the insistence on this label would seem to result from either antisemitic or Jewish chauvinist prejudice. I'm not sure that "Ukrainian" is appropriate either, since Uktaine was not independent at the timne of his birth and he never considered himself a Ukrainian. Nor, as far as I know, did he speak Ukrainian. What is certain is that it is inappropriate to categorise him as a Jew by nationality. RolandR 08:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I find your interpretations interesting (especially Bogie's). Concerning Ukrainian "independence", however, it's a little puzzling. It would be hard to argue that Poles did not exist as a nationality, despite over 120 years of not existing as an "independent" country during the partitions. What's your spin on that conundrum? Dr. Dan (talk) 14:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- It would certainly be appropriate to categorise as Polish or Ukrainian anyone who so described themselves, irrespective of the existence (or not) of a nation state. I was talking specifically about Trotsky, who identified neither as a Jew nor as a Ukrainian. I would categorise him as Russian, but I'm not going to argue with those who describe him as Ukrainian. To list his nationality as Jewish, however, is definitely incorrect, and reflects an agenda-driven analysis. RolandR 17:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, Trotsky is a non-issue for me at this moment. The main issue that I called you upon, for an opinion, were the Jews of Vilnius, the city often referred to as the "Jerusalem of Lithuania", and to whether during the Russian occupation, 1795-1918, or Polish occupation 1922-1939, they were no longer Lithuanian Jews (Litvaks). As to the concept of "self-identification", it becomes murky when someone like Idi Amin Dada calls himself the "King of Scotland" or on another day might decide that he's actually Swedish. But I suppose my true peeve regarding the matter is not so much what one considers themself as to what others consider them to be in order to pursue an agenda. Similar to your point regarding Trotsky. In Lithuania, as in many small countries, many of it's inhabitants (especially Jews) were multi-lingual. I am continually "informed" by certain editors on WP that Vilnius was the "least Lithuanian" of Lithuanian cities at the end of the 19th century (49% Jewish, 49% Polish, 2% Lithuanian, yada,yada) based on census' taken by authorities who were administrating the area. In my youth, I came to know many Jewish merchants on Maxwell Street who could speak Lithuanian, as well as Polish, Russian and Yiddish (of the Litvish dialect). Those merchants who could do so did not emigrate from Romania or Yemen. Those merchants who could do so had emigrated from Lithuania, then part of the Russian Empire, where they had lived for several centuries. Anyway, it was concerning this question that I contacted you for an opinion rather, than Trotsky. Dr. Dan (talk) 23:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- It would certainly be appropriate to categorise as Polish or Ukrainian anyone who so described themselves, irrespective of the existence (or not) of a nation state. I was talking specifically about Trotsky, who identified neither as a Jew nor as a Ukrainian. I would categorise him as Russian, but I'm not going to argue with those who describe him as Ukrainian. To list his nationality as Jewish, however, is definitely incorrect, and reflects an agenda-driven analysis. RolandR 17:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Warsaw
Hi Dr.Dan, would you please explain this? You wrote there is a "new consensus" however I'm not able to locate it on the talk page. Loosmark (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hi back, I noticed that you highlighted the Russian version, but not the Yiddish version. Any particular reason? I think the "new consensus" was more or less "hammered" out at the Talk:Paneriai page by the various parties who have been most involved in these matters concerning Poland, Lithuania, and the PLC. Obviously if you disagree, you can take the matter up again. I think if you read the recent edits at the talk pages of user: Jacurek and user: Mikej007 you might get a better feel for what's been transpiring. Best Dr. Dan (talk) 16:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ok i've read that discussion however this consensus seems to be for Polish, Lithuanian and Yiddish names and not to introduce cyrilic into Warsaw lead throught the back door. Loosmark (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- What backdoor? Dr. Dan (talk) 23:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand under what logic did you add Варшава. Do 10% of english sources use that name? Me thinks not. Is there a Russian minority living in Warsaw? Not that i'm aware of. Loosmark (talk) 17:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- What backdoor? Dr. Dan (talk) 23:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ok i've read that discussion however this consensus seems to be for Polish, Lithuanian and Yiddish names and not to introduce cyrilic into Warsaw lead throught the back door. Loosmark (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- More importantly, there is no Russian name for Warsaw. The Russian language simply uses the Polish name (perforce transliterated into Russian alphabet when written down). Such situations are actually quite common. Thus Chicago has a huge Polish community, yet there is no Polish name for Chicago, as in the Polish language the English name is used (in fact notice no Szikago used anywhere in Polish, natural though that transliteration may seem). It would be quite ridiculous to have in the lead of our Chicago article the text: Chicago (Polish: Chicago), wouldn't you say, despite the huge role of Chicago in Polish culture and history?
- I suppose then that most languages, when confronted with a foreign name, simply try to reproduce its pronounciation as faithfully as possible. They only give the city a distinct, new name in the language once demands of common usage require it. In light of this, it clearly follows that just because every Polish city in the Russian partition had its name written in Cyrylic alphabet in Russian official documents, this does not mean at all that this was the city's Russian name. So please, hold off a bit on any campaign to add Cyrylic-transliterated names in the leads of hundreds of articles about Polish cities that used to be part of the Russian empire. 99.236.70.174 (talk) 03:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm? Let's see. Knowing a little about Chicago and it's Polonia, I'm not sure I agree with everything you're espousing. Yes, no "Szikago" but as I remember growing up there was quite a bit of "Czikago" as in..."Temu co zmarl w Kanadzie pan OCytko wydawca z Czykago ma wystawic pomnik, juz oglaszaja zbiorki na meczennika emigranckiej sprawy. Zginal smiercia chwalebna, na polu emigranckiej walki o prawa Czlowieka i Polaka na ziemi Ameryki Polnocnej." You'll find quite a bit of this variation for Chicago, in Polish, if you bother to explore it. Then there's the question of Vilnius and whether the chicken or the egg came first. Is "Wilno" an example of "giving the city a distinct, new name in the language once demands of common usage required it?" Is Wilno derived from the Lithuanian name or did the Lithuanian name come from the Polish? You tell us ..." More importantly, there is no Russian name for Warsaw. The Russian language simply uses the Polish name (perforce transliterated into Russian alphabet when written down)..." You might recall then that there is no Russian name for Vilnius. The Russian language simply uses the Lithuanian name (perforce transliterated into Russian alphabet when written down) i.e., Вильнюс. Of course when both the Germans and Russians took into consideration the feelings of the Lithuanian people, they made adjustments to their previous nomenclature. Naturally, that required intelligence and pragmatism. Perhaps one day Poles will refer to the city as Vilnius or Wilnius (notating that they once had an archaic spelling of the city no longer in use). Anyway, you'll find the application of Cyrillic in many of English Misplaced Pages's articles. It's educational information, and it's for the "convenience" of the readers. And whether one likes it or not Warsaw was a part of Russia, Russian was the "official language" (an earlier argument of my Polish colleagues, but one often touted for Wilno usage), and it's as good of a reason to adding Yiddish to these cities, if "historical" reasons are valid. Dr. Dan (talk) 04:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Nobody is trying to put "Czykago" in the Chicago article lead so what exactly is your point there? Loosmark (talk) 11:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Loosmark, perhaps if you read the dialog you'd understand my point regarding "Czikago". And who said anything about putting it anywhere? Dr. Dan (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- I've read the dialog 3 times already and i still don't get it. Loosmark (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Loosmark, perhaps if you read the dialog you'd understand my point regarding "Czikago". And who said anything about putting it anywhere? Dr. Dan (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Nobody is trying to put "Czykago" in the Chicago article lead so what exactly is your point there? Loosmark (talk) 11:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm? Let's see. Knowing a little about Chicago and it's Polonia, I'm not sure I agree with everything you're espousing. Yes, no "Szikago" but as I remember growing up there was quite a bit of "Czikago" as in..."Temu co zmarl w Kanadzie pan OCytko wydawca z Czykago ma wystawic pomnik, juz oglaszaja zbiorki na meczennika emigranckiej sprawy. Zginal smiercia chwalebna, na polu emigranckiej walki o prawa Czlowieka i Polaka na ziemi Ameryki Polnocnej." You'll find quite a bit of this variation for Chicago, in Polish, if you bother to explore it. Then there's the question of Vilnius and whether the chicken or the egg came first. Is "Wilno" an example of "giving the city a distinct, new name in the language once demands of common usage required it?" Is Wilno derived from the Lithuanian name or did the Lithuanian name come from the Polish? You tell us ..." More importantly, there is no Russian name for Warsaw. The Russian language simply uses the Polish name (perforce transliterated into Russian alphabet when written down)..." You might recall then that there is no Russian name for Vilnius. The Russian language simply uses the Lithuanian name (perforce transliterated into Russian alphabet when written down) i.e., Вильнюс. Of course when both the Germans and Russians took into consideration the feelings of the Lithuanian people, they made adjustments to their previous nomenclature. Naturally, that required intelligence and pragmatism. Perhaps one day Poles will refer to the city as Vilnius or Wilnius (notating that they once had an archaic spelling of the city no longer in use). Anyway, you'll find the application of Cyrillic in many of English Misplaced Pages's articles. It's educational information, and it's for the "convenience" of the readers. And whether one likes it or not Warsaw was a part of Russia, Russian was the "official language" (an earlier argument of my Polish colleagues, but one often touted for Wilno usage), and it's as good of a reason to adding Yiddish to these cities, if "historical" reasons are valid. Dr. Dan (talk) 04:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- I suppose then that most languages, when confronted with a foreign name, simply try to reproduce its pronounciation as faithfully as possible. They only give the city a distinct, new name in the language once demands of common usage require it. In light of this, it clearly follows that just because every Polish city in the Russian partition had its name written in Cyrylic alphabet in Russian official documents, this does not mean at all that this was the city's Russian name. So please, hold off a bit on any campaign to add Cyrylic-transliterated names in the leads of hundreds of articles about Polish cities that used to be part of the Russian empire. 99.236.70.174 (talk) 03:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to say too bad because it's really pretty simple, but since English is not your primary language, let me help you. Read the sentence in Polish that starts ..."Temu co zmarl w Kanadzie..." followed with my response..."You'll find quite a bit of this variation for Chicago, in Polish, if you bother to explore it." Hope that helped. Dr. Dan (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- And may i ask how is that important for what is in the Warsaw lead? Loosmark (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think you should ask the anonymous editor 99.236.70.174 that question. He brought it up, remember? Btw, you could answer some of the questions I posed to you. You know, the unanswered ones. Dr. Dan (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- And may i ask how is that important for what is in the Warsaw lead? Loosmark (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Which questions? I think i've answered everything you've asked me. Loosmark (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Possible rule 1: Misplaced Pages article about every single piece of territory that the Russian state has any historical connection to (it was occupied by Russian trooops, dominated by Russian traders) shall have its cyrillic transliteration given prominently in the lead. This would include Warsaw obviously, but also Berlin, Anchorage, California, Budapest, Vienna, just for starters. Plainly ridiculous and completely untenable. Yet this edit can only be justified by such a rule.
Possible rule 2: Misplaced Pages article will only use the Russian name in the lead for a placename outside Russia proper if that name can be demonstrated to be in significant use in English language publications. Thus Modlin can and should have the Russian name Novogeorgievsk given, Dęblin should have Ivangorod in the lead. But you will not find any English language publications using Варшава to refer to Warsaw, now would you? I didn't think so.
Which approach makes more sense? Please make your choice and then pursue it with consistency. Do not experiment with Misplaced Pages, disrupt it, or make edits only to prove a point in some dispute. 99.236.70.174 (talk) 02:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- I really don't really enjoy carrying on a dialog with anonymous contributors. Mainly, because they usually are established editors playing games, especially when they like to pontificate about rules and policies on Misplaced Pages. Tell you what, if you think Warsaw and Fort Ross, and their histories, are equatable, I might make an exception and go on with this. Besides, you never did respond to my "Czikagoski" perspective. Right now the Mötley Crüe song, from their "Dr. Feelgood" album, comes to mind. Bye. Dr. Dan (talk) 02:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
An Unanswered Question
In the above exchange concerning Warsaw, I was asked why I added the Cyrillic Russian version of the city's name. Here's the diff.... I responded..."Hi back, I noticed that you highlighted the Russian version, but not the Yiddish version." In a nutshell, you found the Russian version objectionable, but not the Yiddish one. Any particular reason? The question, I believe, remains unanswered. Perhaps I missed it. I'd still like Loosmark to explain why, however? Dr. Dan (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought you were able to find the answer to that alone but alas.. anyway before the Nazis wipped them out during the WW2 around 10% of the popullation of Warsaw was Jewish. Loosmark (talk) 19:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Informal Mediation
A user requested informal mediation for the current dispute at the Paneriai page. Please go here to take part. Please note that in the event you refuse, the end result of this dispute may be penalties for both sides for disruption. Please take part in informal mediation. -- Raziel teatime 19:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Raziel, thank you for your invitation. Thank you especially for the work (which is time consuming and not easy to do), in creating the format. But if you ever heard of the phrase..."What if someone throws a party and nobody came", comes to mind. First, I think a consensus has been reached. Hopefully it will hold. Secondly it (the consensus), came about before you opened the "informal mediation." So it seems kind of moot. Out of curiosity, what qualifications do you feel you possess that would enable you to mediate the dispute, that I thought has already been resolved? Also have you read the all of the relevant material that has led up to the dispute in its entirety? Let me ask two more things, have you read or been apprised of the recent snide remarks and attacks against me that have been brought into the debate? It might be helpful to look into it. I haven't seen anyone chastising anyone for this behavior. And finally..."in the event you refuse, the end result of this dispute may be penalties for both sides for disruption"...strikes me as a very weird statement, almost surrealistic, but not Stalinesque, or Gestapo-like. In those type of inquests, neither a request nor a subpeona were invoked. To be respectful to you, and to your efforts, I will simply say that my earlier positions have been stated clearly. I have decided to agree to this new consensus. Further rehashing and recapitulation of this now would be a waste of everybody's time. Hopefully, the consensus will hold. Best wishes, Dr. Dan (talk) 22:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- I made that last statement because there was a good amount of edit warring and personal attacks coming from both sides, and if an admin were to step in he or she could and may have blocked you and the others for violating wiki policy and decided for themselves whther the name belonged in the article or not. Also, I am not going to do anything about the previous personal attacks since they were coming from both sides, and getting people blocked for them would not help resolve this dipute at all. I would like to note, though, that any more personal attacks from either side are not advised at this point. I'll be sure to let everyone know at the MedCab page about this as well. -- Raziel teatime 17:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Raziel, "both sides"? Regarding violations of WP:PA policy, this: is a clear recent (emphasis on recent) example from my perspective. Here's another one. Even though this slur came five minutes after the last one, by the same editor, I suppose one could claim that there's too much ambiguity to say it was about me. Would you be so kind as showing me one from your perspective? Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you that all three of those were personal attacks towards you and perhaps user:Lokyz as well (although I think the last two are somewhat irrelevant to the dispute at Paneriai), and I do not condone those actions. However, I also do not condone this: from you either. -- Raziel teatime 19:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- It's a little troubling that you would even slightly compare to those other three clear violations of WP:PA. I would hate to come to a premature conclusion that there is some bias on your part. That now will remain to be seen. Dr. Dan (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Also, in regards to your query of my qualifications as a mediator, I will be honest with you and state that I am an inexpierenced mediator, and have no real qualificcations for mediation. I have only taken on one other case before this one, which involved a dispute at an article for an online game called Beyond Protocol. The case page for that is here. I think I was handling it well until life started interfering and I had left Misplaced Pages for a few months. The dispute was resolved, but I still think I could have handled it better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onewhohascomebefore (talk • contribs) 19:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- I appreciate your honesty regarding your qualifications to mediate the dispute. Dr. Dan (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- On the contrary, I think my pointing out of your personal attack makes me all the more neutral. After all, how would it look if I ignored that statement you made regarding User:Radeksz and only pointed out personal attacks made by him and others? -- Raziel teatime 19:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- I appreciate your honesty regarding your qualifications to mediate the dispute. Dr. Dan (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Also, in regards to your query of my qualifications as a mediator, I will be honest with you and state that I am an inexpierenced mediator, and have no real qualificcations for mediation. I have only taken on one other case before this one, which involved a dispute at an article for an online game called Beyond Protocol. The case page for that is here. I think I was handling it well until life started interfering and I had left Misplaced Pages for a few months. The dispute was resolved, but I still think I could have handled it better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onewhohascomebefore (talk • contribs) 19:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- It's a little troubling that you would even slightly compare to those other three clear violations of WP:PA. I would hate to come to a premature conclusion that there is some bias on your part. That now will remain to be seen. Dr. Dan (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you that all three of those were personal attacks towards you and perhaps user:Lokyz as well (although I think the last two are somewhat irrelevant to the dispute at Paneriai), and I do not condone those actions. However, I also do not condone this: from you either. -- Raziel teatime 19:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Raziel, "both sides"? Regarding violations of WP:PA policy, this: is a clear recent (emphasis on recent) example from my perspective. Here's another one. Even though this slur came five minutes after the last one, by the same editor, I suppose one could claim that there's too much ambiguity to say it was about me. Would you be so kind as showing me one from your perspective? Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Whoa! What personal attack? Break it down for everyone. What personal attack? Dr. Dan (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- You are essentialy calling him a hypocrite and accusing him of having WP:COI issues, even when he repeadetly cited WP:PLACE as a reason for adding the alternate name to the article. As for the alleged blind revert , he gave his reason for reverting your edit in his edit summary, so I don't see how that was a "blind revert". -- Raziel teatime 20:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- I get it, he calls me a troll, not "essentially" mind you, but very distinctly. You interpret my advice to him as "essentially" calling him a hypocrite. Are we comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges? Your spin on it is interesting. So is your interpretation of the term "blind" revert. Who claimed that? Btw, his revert at Lithuanization had nothing to do with geographical names. In that case, Radeksz preferred to revert me without discussing it at the talk page. Which I think was his bone of contention at the Paneriai talk page. Incidentally do you have any knowledge regarding the Selonians, Jotvingians, Nadruvians and Curonians. Or the Old Prussians? Read up on them and you'll see that my edit at the article was about as OR as claiming the sun rises in the east, and sets in the west. Hopefully the more you familiarize yourself with everything going down, you'll find that my colleague Radeksz has many issues pertaining to my edits. Not just these examples, but in many other areas too. I do hope he takes your advice concerning WP:PA though. Your advice to him was undoubtedly better than my advice to him. Dr. Dan (talk) 20:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, my apologies. I thought you meant that he reverted your edit without giving a reason. In any case, I still view your comments as a personal attack, but we'll agree to disagree. It doesn't really matter at this point anyway. -- Raziel teatime 19:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- "It doesn't really matter at this point anyway." Why's that? Dr. Dan (talk) 19:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Because that was part of the discussion prior to mediation, and I think that focusing on them now won't help resolve the dispute. I do expect those who were making personal attacks to apologize, but that can wait. -- Raziel teatime 19:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Blondi's DoB
Hi. I found Your question about Blondi's age. I've checked it and You were right. She was prob. born in 1941 cos Bormann gave her to Hitler in 1941 when she was a young bitch. I've changed it (and a few other thing in the article) - I hope did not make too many grammar errors there.
Sorry - I've got some personal question: have You ever lived in Britain (some spa town) or in Spain (ca 2005-2006). I've prob. mistaken You with somebody I had met near some Moorish castle in Spain (he was going to be a teacher in Masuria, Poland and he knew quite a lot about history). Sorry for that stupid question; I'm just curious (especially when I looked at your picture) and You don't have to answer it :). V1 23:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
- Patrząc na twoja zdjęcia, myślę, że niektóre przypuszczenia są prawdopodobnie poprawne. Best wishes. Dr. Dan (talk) 00:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Let's get something real going
Dr. Dan, I do not much like you but hey, that's life. How about instead of this endless bickering we try to do something productive together. I notice that's there's A LOT of Lithuanian places that are still red-wiki linked. To pick a random example, Adutiškis. I'm bringing this up now because recently I was trying to write an article and had trouble finding anything about Onuškis (which I stubbed - but it took me like an hour and a half to figure out what the non-Yiddish name of this place was). So instead of fighting about alternative names and so on, why not we try to knock out as many of those red wiki links as we can, even if it's just stubs. Seriously, the time that's been devoted to fighting over Paneriai and Ponary could've been better used to create articles on the multitude of Lithuanian places that are missing - I'm speaking as an economist here, I hate this kind of inefficiency. For myself, I promise not to bring the issue of alternative names up in any new articles that are created through this collaboration (should you agree. If I'm on my own here, I'll do it my own way), and will leave that up to the mediation case when and if it ever concludes.
So how about some help here? Something simple. A list of all Lithuanian places which are mentioned somewhere but which are still red. Help me out.radek (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Radeksz, I'll consider your proposition after the Eastern European mailing list matter is resolved. In the meantime there are plenty of red-wiki linked Polish matters that you can work on. Btw, I still think you owe me an apology . Anyway I hope you don't really think that the best way to create a working relationship with someone is to open with a line like..."Dr. Dan, I do not much like you..." For the record, I do not dislike you. O.K.? Dr. Dan (talk) 17:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I thought you might be interested in turning over a new leaf but apparently not.radek (talk) 01:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- Radeksz, please take the trouble to read my response once more before jumping to any conclusions. In regards to "turning over a new leaf", it is my hope that you will follow your own advice after having read some of the evidence being presented at your case. All of your repetition of asking others to assume good faith in the past has been brought into question by the matter now being investigated. As I mentioned earlier, when the smoke clears we can consider the best way to proceed; if you care to, or are able to do so. Again, unlike yourself, I do not have any personal animosity towards you, nor do I dislike you. I think enough said. Maybe we can even become "chums". Good luck. Dr. Dan (talk) 01:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Big Mistake
The Russian bashing continues at the circus unabated, and not reprimanded. What's up with that? Dr. Dan (talk) 05:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- This was to be expected. Sadly.-- Lokyz (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Finland as a Baltic State
Reading on my real project here. "Largest" of the Baltic states. VЄСRUМВА ♪ 03:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the great article. Is this somehow being disputed by someone again? You probably know that I added this information to the Baltic States article recently, but haven't checked whether it's been reverted. Dr. Dan (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Pyrrhic Victory
See the Misplaced Pages article on Pyrrhic Victory for information. A Pyrrhic victory is one that comes at a great cost to the attacker. For example, the Battle of Bunker Hill was a pyrrhic victory for the British, since they won the battle, but were drained of men. In the Battle of Westerplatte, the Germans lost 200-400 men while the Poles lost 13 men. As the Germans paid an extremely heavy price while inflicting fewer casualties than they sustained, than this could be considered a Pyrrhic victory. (unsigned)
- If, per definition, a pyrrhic victory is a victory with devastating cost to the victor, the Battle of Westerplatte, seems to be a poor example. I think your statistics are those stemming out of the People's Republic of Poland. I believe the German official KIA are around 50-55, with a proportion of those being the result of friendly fire from the Schleswig-Holstein. If I'm mistaken, I am interested in getting the actual facts straight concerning the matter. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 03:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- German official KIA? You probably mean the Nazi official KIA, and everybody knows that the Nazis were notorious liars. It's quite disgusting that you'd rather believe them than the other sources. Loosmark (talk) 09:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think by now the German statistics regarding their casualties in the Second World War are hardly questioned for their accuracy or objectivity. I also think they would be in a better position to state what they were in this "battle" than statistics coming out of the People's Republic of Poland. Or do you believe they were less notorious liars? Loosmark,sorry that trying to get to the bottom of this and making the article more accurate disgusts you. Politics aside, as I stated before, I am only interested in getting the actual facts straight concerning the matter. Thanks again. BTW, this is an open question to anyone with information concerning the issue. Dr. Dan (talk) 14:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think by now the German statistics regarding their casualties in the Second World War are hardly questioned for their accuracy or objectivity. huh!?
Or do you believe they were less notorious liars? Indeed, I think the Nazis were the worst, personally I don't trust any stats they come up with.
I am only interested in getting the actual facts straight concerning the matter. I am sure you do Dr. Dan. Loosmark (talk) 23:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)- You're correct Loosmark, I am only interested in getting the actual facts straightened out regarding the casualties. Without Godwin's Law entering into the discussion. Anyway I do standby my reluctance to accept the People's Republic of Poland statistics as reliable. Do you accept them as reliable? Dr. Dan (talk) 01:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think by now the German statistics regarding their casualties in the Second World War are hardly questioned for their accuracy or objectivity. huh!?
- I think by now the German statistics regarding their casualties in the Second World War are hardly questioned for their accuracy or objectivity. I also think they would be in a better position to state what they were in this "battle" than statistics coming out of the People's Republic of Poland. Or do you believe they were less notorious liars? Loosmark,sorry that trying to get to the bottom of this and making the article more accurate disgusts you. Politics aside, as I stated before, I am only interested in getting the actual facts straight concerning the matter. Thanks again. BTW, this is an open question to anyone with information concerning the issue. Dr. Dan (talk) 14:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- German official KIA? You probably mean the Nazi official KIA, and everybody knows that the Nazis were notorious liars. It's quite disgusting that you'd rather believe them than the other sources. Loosmark (talk) 09:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I find it puzzling that every time I reffer to the Nazi by the word Nazi there is always some drama, Godwin's Laws and what not. How am i supposed to call them then? The reality of the matter is that the Nazis expected an easy victory at Westernplatte but then suffered far greater losses than expected. Since that didn't feel too well into their concept of "ubermensch" it's more than likely that they doctored the stats a little bit. IMO people who were capable of this were quite capable of everything. But to answer your question, lets put it this way: if I have to choose between the Nazi stats and the stats of the People's Republic of Poland I'd pick the later 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. Loosmark (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- Always picking communist sources. That explains a lot. -- Matthead Discuß 03:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- I find it puzzling that every time I reffer to the Nazi by the word Nazi there is always some drama, Godwin's Laws and what not. How am i supposed to call them then? The reality of the matter is that the Nazis expected an easy victory at Westernplatte but then suffered far greater losses than expected. Since that didn't feel too well into their concept of "ubermensch" it's more than likely that they doctored the stats a little bit. IMO people who were capable of this were quite capable of everything. But to answer your question, lets put it this way: if I have to choose between the Nazi stats and the stats of the People's Republic of Poland I'd pick the later 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. Loosmark (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)