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*'''Support''', a very significant anniversary year for this publication which has continued to attract attention worldwide. . . ], ] 20:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | *'''Support''', a very significant anniversary year for this publication which has continued to attract attention worldwide. . . ], ] 20:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
*'''Support'''. Agree with above statements about the significance of date and the publication. —] (]) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Currently accepting requests from February 1 to March 3.
Date | Article | Points | Notes | Supports | Opposes |
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November 14 | William III of England | 3–4 | 359th Anniversary of birth | 5 | 0 |
November 15 | Prairie Avenue | -1 or 3 | 27-year anniversary of National Register of Historic Places listing. | 3 | 0 |
November 18 | Chrono Cross | 1 | 10-year anniversary of release; promoted over 2 years ago | 4 | 0 |
November 24 | On the Origin of Species | 5 | 150th anniversary of publication. | 3 | 0 |
November 30 | Scotland national football team | 3 | Date of first ever game and St. Andrews day. | 2 | 0 |
Tally may not be up to date; please do not use these tallies for removing a nomination according to criteria 1 or 3 above unless you have verified the numbers.
Requests
November 14
William III of England (1650–1702) was the Prince of Orange, Stadtholder of the main provinces of the Dutch Republic, and King of England, Scotland, and Ireland. Born a member of the House of Orange-Nassau, William III won the English, Scottish and Irish crowns following the Glorious Revolution, in which his uncle and father-in-law, James II, was deposed. In England, Scotland and Ireland, William ruled jointly with his wife, Mary II, until her death in 1694. A Protestant, William participated in several wars against the powerful Catholic King Louis XIV of France in coalition with Protestant and Catholic powers in Europe. Many Protestants heralded him as a champion of their faith. Largely due to that reputation, William was able to take the British crowns where many were fearful of a revival of Catholicism under James. William's victory over James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 is commemorated by the Orange Institution in Northern Ireland to this day. His reign marked the beginning of the transition from the personal rule of the Stuarts to the more Parliament-centered rule of the House of Hanover. (more...)
Four points: 2 for its long tenure as FA (more than four years), one for it being basic subject matter, and one for the anniversary -- Nov. 4 (old style) was his birthday (1650) and wedding day (1677), and the date his fleet arrived off of Brixham, England to start the Glorious Revolution (1688). Coemgenus 23:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - At first glance I'll generally support this, BUT we have to get the dates straight. Footnote 1 in the article was very confusing regarding New style vs. Old style (Gregorian vs. Julian) dates, but I believe that we have to use the New Style dates (after all you are proposing it for November 4 - New Style). So the proper date of the anniversary would be November 14 - New Style. Maybe it was just a bad day, but I thought I understood OS vs NS until I read the article, so that might suggest that the article should be worked on a bit, re: the dates. Smallbones (talk) 22:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think the footnote about OS/NS is correct, but the bit about the New Year starting on March 25 in England is confusing. I wrote it, and it confuses me a little. I'll try to work on it. As to the date for featuring, I think Nov. 4 makes sense, since that was the date people remember, even if by modern reckoning it would be Nov. 14. Coemgenus 22:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'd still be more comfortable with Nov. 14. Smallbones (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support Awadewit (talk) 22:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Comment I agree, it should be November 14, this is like having GW's birthday on February 11. True in one sense, not true in another. Also query point for basic subject matter. Our precedent on this was William IV which was felt not to be basic subject matter.
- I don't have a strong preference about the date, I just submitted it for Nov. 4 because that seemed appropriate to me. Guy Fawkes Night is still commemorated on November 5, even though it happened on November 15 (N.S.). And William's arrival at Tor Bay on the 4th (he came ashore the next day, the 5th) is connected with that anniversary, as both have to do with religious turmoil in Britain. But, as I said, if there's consensus for the 14th, I'm not going to pitch a fit about it. I changed the heading to reflect this ongoing discussion.
- As to the William IV comparison, I think William III has a much more substantial place in history. Likewise, I'd say William I (the Conqueror) is basic subject matter, while William II is not. They're all kings, but some were more noteworthy than others. Coemgenus 21:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'd agree on the place in history bit. But does he get taught to 12 year olds?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- In the United States? No. In the United Kingdom or Ireland? I don't know. I'd be glad to hear what some British or Irish editors think. Coemgenus 21:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- In Northern Ireland? Probably the single best-known historical figure other than Jesus, albeit as a hate-figure among a significant proportion of the community; The Twelfth is still a public holiday in N.I. (and, oddly, in Newfoundland). From that perspective, undoubtedly a core topic in Irish studies. – iridescent 21:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I thought he would be kind of a big deal there. The Twelfth, incidentally, is also an old-style date that we still commemorate. Coemgenus 21:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- In Northern Ireland? Probably the single best-known historical figure other than Jesus, albeit as a hate-figure among a significant proportion of the community; The Twelfth is still a public holiday in N.I. (and, oddly, in Newfoundland). From that perspective, undoubtedly a core topic in Irish studies. – iridescent 21:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- In the United States? No. In the United Kingdom or Ireland? I don't know. I'd be glad to hear what some British or Irish editors think. Coemgenus 21:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'd agree on the place in history bit. But does he get taught to 12 year olds?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Could we have alt text added to the blurb and article? — Dispenser 05:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I've added it to both. --Coemgenus 15:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support for Nov. 14 - might still be convinced for Nov. 4. As far as basic subject matter (bsm)point, let's hear from the Brits. It should be basic subject matter in the US, but isn't. After all the Glorious Revolution set the stage for the American Revolution, set the Parliament above the King in the UK, but ... He probably is bsm in Northern Ireland, with some pluses and minuses that go with it. Smallbones (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Agree that this is not basic subject matter for US, as we are learning to look at our history from a broader spectrum, but so what? —mattisse (Talk) 22:08, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support for either date. A great article that illuminates important events in English, Scottish, Irish and Dutch history. I would be shocked if it is not basic subject matter in the UK (I know it is in parts of Northern Ireland). As an extra bonus it has nothing at all to do with atheletics.Rusty Cashman (talk) 10:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Until we hear from the Brits, I've reduced this inthe summary chart to 3 points. I'm just not certain they teach that kinda history to 12 year olds. At least not today.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- They do (or we do). It's certainly taught at Key Stage 3. Yomangani 14:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- It's a tough question. I looked at the Key Stage 3 (11-14) materials, and there is mention of the kids learning the altering relationship between the rulers and the ruled. So no doubt they study the Glorious Revolution/Bill of Rights/Claim of Right. Does that mean they've studied William III? Look at it this way, they are bound to study the Reform Act 1832. Does that mean they've studied William IV? Probably not, and we decided IV was not basic subject matter. Let's keep this as a disputed point and wait to see what other community members think.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- My gut feeling here is that III played a pivotal part in the Glorious Revolution - it couldn't have happened like that without him and his influence - whilst IV's involvement in the changes of the 1830s was mostly driven by events, and probably would have happened had someone else been there. I don't know about the rule of thumb we conventionally use here for "basic subject matter" - and the Glorious Revolution is probably one of the less taught parts of history in that syllabus - but he's certainly got more claim to it than his namesake. Shimgray | talk | 18:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- The Glorious Revolution is very embedded in the competing royal personalities in a way that the Reform Act is not. Wills and Mary were acceptable, Jimmy was not is the start point, especially when brought to the level of a 12 year old. Thus Will III is intrinsically part of the topic. Surprised it's in KS3 though - I "did" it at A Level. <rant>Thank the lord they seem to have moved away from "ancient history for the littluns, modern for the older ones" that's <OR> led to an incredibly recentist view of history in British society. </OR></rant>--Dweller (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Of course, a lot of it was religion, which I really doubt they push on 12 year olds. 11 to 14 is a broad range, and I doubt that 12 year olds, under the best circumstances learn more than William III's name and origin. And possibly religion.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Given my extremely jaundiced view of GCSEs, I'm probably not the best person to disagree with you, lol, but on that basis, we'd discount every single historical figure - on the basis of the British educational system, anyway. Which of course is absurd. Lol. --Dweller (talk) 16:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, the British educational system is absurd. The basic subject matter point is awarded for being basic subject matter that a 12 year old could use for a report. Since if taken literally that is almost impossibly broad, in practice, we look to see if it is a matter that is taught in the classroom. Since most of us are not 12 year olds, though we sometimes act like same, we look to our own memories, what we can find out about school curricula and what we think of as common sense.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Of course, a lot of it was religion, which I really doubt they push on 12 year olds. 11 to 14 is a broad range, and I doubt that 12 year olds, under the best circumstances learn more than William III's name and origin. And possibly religion.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Not a basic subject-matter IMO, but still worthy of the main page. –Juliancolton | 14:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support - on reflection, most probably four points, but certainly three either way. Shimgray | talk | 17:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support, I'm surprised we aren't considering basic subject matter for either The Netherlands or Western Europe, considering how important William of Orange is in the anti-Sun King coalition. NW (Talk) 00:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- I am not sure what Biography conventions or Manual of style say, but the Old Style birthday is not listed in th lead, as it is at Samuel Johnson; might I suggest, also, moving this to Nov. 14, unless there is a compelling reason to use Nov. 4? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- I seem to be the only one who thinks the 4th makes sense, so I moved it to the 14th. I hope no one objects. Coemgenus 16:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment – Came to this and had a look for evidence to support importance of the topic. King Billy has considerable significance in Scotland as well as Ireland, and his accession and dealings with intitial civil wars initiated the hugely significant constitutional dispute of Jacobitism over the rights of Parliament over monarchs, and a series of risings or attempted invasions, but these aspects seem to be not covered or barely touched on in the article, which doesn't even mention that he was present at the Battle of the Boyne. Had a look for the equivalent of Key Stage information, but Scottish school history studies seem to be focussed on more recent history so no evidence there of significance. Sadly, can't support it in light of these issues. . . dave souza, talk 18:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
November 15
Prairie Avenue is a north–south thoroughfare on the South Side of Chicago, which historically extended from 16th street in the Near South Side community area of Chicago to the city's southern limits and beyond. The street has a rich history from its origins as a major trail for horseback riders and carriages. During the last three decades of the 19th century, a six-block section of the street served as the residence of many of Chicago’s elite families and an additional four-block section was also known for grand homes. The upper six-block section includes the historic Prairie Avenue District, which was declared a Chicago Landmark and added to the National Register of Historic Places. Several of Chicago's most important historical figures have lived on the street, especially after the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 when many of the most important families in the city moved to the street. Preservation battles regarding properties on the street have been notable with one having been chronicled on the front page of The New York Times. As of 2009, the street is being redeveloped. Redevelopment has extended the street north to accommodate new high-rise condominiums, such as One Museum Park, along Roosevelt Road (12th street) and bordering Grant Park. (more...)- This is a two-point article in November (Anniversary and age) and a three-pointer in December. I am giving it a shot now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment points seem fine. Anniversary of a historic designation is good enough for a street, which doesn't have a lot of anniversaries.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Has any street, road or highway been on the main page since Gropecunt Lane. I think it will be over four months since a street or anything similar has been on the main page. This might be a three-pointer.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Closest is Vauxhall Bridge on 9/29 and I think a road is dissimilar to a bridge. Fair enough then, three points.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)--Wehwalt (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- In terms of related/unrelated, would it be a problem that the nomination for Nov. 9, above, is also an Illinois-related article? Shimgray | talk | 22:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- We have seen that complaint for the run of the mill highway article (Interstate 355). This is a little less run of the mill, but the same objection might be considered.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- In terms of related/unrelated, would it be a problem that the nomination for Nov. 9, above, is also an Illinois-related article? Shimgray | talk | 22:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Closest is Vauxhall Bridge on 9/29 and I think a road is dissimilar to a bridge. Fair enough then, three points.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)--Wehwalt (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Has any street, road or highway been on the main page since Gropecunt Lane. I think it will be over four months since a street or anything similar has been on the main page. This might be a three-pointer.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment points seem fine. Anniversary of a historic designation is good enough for a street, which doesn't have a lot of anniversaries.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Quite a fan of localized articles personally, and I think this is a fine choice for the TFA. –Juliancolton | 14:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Juliancolton Smallbones (talk) 00:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Please add alt text and be sure the blurb complies with the suggested formatting at the top of this (Requests) page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Back to two points, road scheduled for Nov 4. In fact, perhaps less than two if points are deducted, but I'll leave that to others.SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Striking pursuant to further discussion below. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Minus one point Yes, I-355 is a bit busier than Prairie Ave, but both are black with stripes, have cars running up and down them, and a lot of the drivers are White Sox fans. I say similarity, and two weeks or less.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Did you notice my commente below that they are not in the same category at WP:FA. Is there a precedent for articles not in the same category being considered similar.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, I *think* there is, but I can't recall which and I could be mistaken (it can be found somewhere way back in the talk archives, when we originally set up the points). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, this issue is specifically discussed in footnote 4 of the points, with an example. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ignore my query I was responding to the 23:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC) as if it was the new one. I got confused on what was new.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Just so it's clear, I readded the 23:38 comment because otherwise TTT's comment below didn't have a context. Bencherlite 19:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
readded at 17:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC). Had been removed at 23:43, 3 November 2009.
I am contesting whether modern highways and historic streets are the same type of article. The case could be made that they are as different as athletes and sports teams, which are considered different. When I read this article and the November 4 TFA Interstate 355. I do not feel that they are the same type of article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. note that these are in different sections at WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
November 18
Chrono Cross is a console role-playing game developed and published by Square (now Square Enix) for the Sony PlayStation video game console. It is the sequel to Chrono Trigger, which was released in 1995 for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. Chrono Cross was developed by Masato Kato and produced by Hiromichi Tanaka. Composer Yasunori Mitsuda scored and Nobuteru Yūki designed characters. The story of Chrono Cross focuses on a teenage boy named Serge and a theme of parallel worlds. Faced with an alternate reality in which he died as a child, Serge searches for the truth of the worlds' split. Upon its release in Japan in 1999 and in the United States in 2000, Chrono Cross received high ratings and critical acclaim, earning a rare perfect 10.0 score from GameSpot. The game shipped 1.5 million copies worldwide, leading to a Greatest Hits re-release and continued life in Japan as part of the Ultimate Hits series. (more...)- Four points (promoted over two years ago; decennial anniversary). ZeaLitY 01:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- One point now, Grim Fandango got scheduled for November 11, which subtracts three. --PresN 20:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- My apologies for the premature removal, PresN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- The blurb looks long; have you checked that it conforms to the character count and other instructions at the top of this page? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- Whoops; fixed. Should be 1200 exactly now. ZeaLitY 02:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support The article is well-written and has large sections dedicated to real-world aspects such as development history, music production, critical reception and relations with other works. The article meets all the criteria and is a fine choice for TFA. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 18:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Megata Sanshiro. --PresN 01:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment points seem OK.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support To celebrate the anniversary.--RekishiEJ (talk) 10:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
November 24
On the Origin of Species, published by Charles Darwin in 1859, is considered to be the foundation of evolutionary biology. Darwin's book presented evidence that the diversity of life arose through a branching pattern of evolution with common descent caused by the mechanism of natural selection. Prior to its publication various evolutionary ideas had been proposed to explain new findings in biology, but the English scientific establishment was closely tied to the Church of England, and ideas about the transmutation of species conflicted with beliefs that species were unchanging parts of a designed hierarchy and that humans were unrelated to animals; such ideas were not accepted by the scientific mainstream. The book attracted widespread interest, and generated scientific, philosophical, and religious discussion. This debate contributed to efforts to secularize science by promoting scientific naturalism. Within two decades there was widespread scientific agreement that evolution had occurred, but until the modern evolutionary synthesis in the 20th century there was much less agreement on the significance of natural selection. (more...)5 points, 4 for 150th anniversary of publication and 1 for basic subject matter. There has been a lot of attention (including the release of a feature length film, a 2 hour Nova special on PBS, and numerous articles and books) paid to both Darwin and Origin recently, as 2009 contians both the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth and the 150th anniversary of this book's publication, which in my opinion makes this a particularly appropriate nomination. Rusty Cashman (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support, obvious choice. Bencherlite 20:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support, a very significant anniversary year for this publication which has continued to attract attention worldwide. . . dave souza, talk 20:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Agree with above statements about the significance of date and the publication. —mattisse (Talk) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
November 30
The Scotland national football team represents Scotland in international football and is controlled by the Scottish Football Association. Scotland are the joint oldest national football team in the world, alongside England, whom they played in the world's first international football match in 1872. The majority of Scotland's home matches are held at the national stadium, Hampden Park, with friendly matches sometimes hosted at club stadiums. Scotland have qualified for the FIFA World Cup and the UEFA European Football Championship several times, but have never progressed beyond the first stage of a tournament. The team have achieved some noteworthy results, such as beating the 1966 FIFA World Cup winners England 3–2 in 1967. Archie Gemmill scored what has been described as one of the greatest World Cup goals ever in a 3–2 win during the 1978 World Cup against Holland. In their qualifying group for UEFA Euro 2008, Scotland defeated 2006 World Cup runners-up France 1–0 in both fixtures. Scotland's supporters are collectively known as the Tartan Army. Their traditional rivals are England, whom they played annually from 1872 until 1989, but there have only been three senior level fixtures since then. (more...)- This has three pionts as it is over two year old. This would also be the first football article in over seven months. BUC (talk) 17:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment As I pointed out when you previously nominated this article, the last football article was Bert Trautmann on October 22, so it is not accurate to say this would be the first football article in over seven months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calathan (talk • contribs) 20:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Bencherlite 19:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)