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Answer

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Izehar

I've added some links and bolded the subject of the article as per our style. By the way, isn't the Bible Hebrew by definition or am I way off base there? - Mgm| 18:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop

You, or any Misplaced Pages user, can contribute your suggestions and comments to the /Workshop page of any active arbitration case. Comments on evidence or proposals can help in understanding the import of evidence and in refining proposals. Proposed principles, findings of fact, or remedies may be listed on /Proposed decision and form part of the final decision. Fred Bauder 18:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Clarification

Well, for starters, I need someone to copy that request for assistance from the talk page to the project page. anthony 17:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Reform Judaism

I think your edit is great. Zargulon 23:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Law

Thanks for signing up - your cases look good (though the real authorities are on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court cases, but they don't deal with UK law). Also check out Portal:Law, where we welcome any suggestions for improvement. Cheers! BDAbramson T 19:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• This project covers all sorts of law, but it's been more black letter oriented than case law oriented.BDAbramson T 20:11, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome to Esperanza

Thanks for your welcome note. --Samivel 17:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I am still learning how things work here, but have gathered quite a bit of information since I began editing some time in April. There is still a great deal I don't know.

To answer your questions about my username--

At first I was anonymous and was identified by the IP of the computer I work on, 66.114.86.135. It's part of a network that has other users, all of whom have this IP. Sometimes I forget to use the automatic login and the IP comes up again. It happened today.

Next I felt I should use my real name, and I got a real username: Arnold_Perey or arnold_perey, I don't remember which.

After that I noticed other people were using less literal names and I went to Aperey.

Last month, I asked an administrator if I could change my username altogether, because whenever my signature was recognized in Talk pages for the article on Aesthetic Realism, which I am working on, three or four of the other editors began snarling and writing prose they couldn't be proud of. He said I could change it--I wouldn't violate any Misplaced Pages rules--so I did. It's now Samivel. Of course the other editors realized it immediately, and little came of it except more snarls that look a little like "sockpuppet."

Now you have a username history from me which I'm sure is more than anyone wants to know. But it's an interesting history and has quite a bit of humanity in it.

I'm an anthropologist and a teacher of the philosophy Aesthetic Realism, which was founded by the poet and critic Eli Siegel in 1941. It's a philosophy and body of knowledge that I value very, very much.

Best regards, and thanks for asking, Arnold Perey --Samivel 21:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I will be leaving a note for the administrators as per your suggestion. I'll also ask them how to transfer my history of edits to my new username because there's too many to lose.--Samivel 16:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Move of "Low German languages"

Hi Izehar

You've added your support to the a move that has already been executed last July. You may have intended to add your support to the move of Low German languages to Low Germanic languages. If this is what you really intended to do, then you should add your support to Talk:Low German languages#Requested move to (Low Germanic languages). I'm telling you because it is my fault that there is more than one move discussion on that page. -- j. 'mach' wust | ✍ 01:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

ISP

When chastising vandals, please refer to an ISP as Internet service provider - ISP leads to a disambiguation page. Thanks for the good work. Josh Parris # 06:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to drop by and thank you for taking the time to comment on my RfA. unsigned by Jareth (talk · contribs) - post left at 14:43, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I did several thank yous at a time and forgot to sign this one. I appreciate your comments, but have to disagree. I'm not certain if you saw the notes about the 300 or so messages I've answered at helpdesk-l or looked at my response to the fourth question. While that's not technically "on-wiki", its certainly assisting the users. There's also several very good examples of my mediation skills in my edit history, in fact, the anon that posted on my RfA is one of those. I'm not effusive; I don't run around on talk pages just for the sake of doing so and I've really been highly dissapointed that quantity is being valued over quality. I really appreciate the viewpoint though and its certainly made me spend more time chatting on talk pages recently. Thanks again for the comments! .:.Jareth.:. 16:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate you reconsidering, I know its difficult to guess the measure of a person based on statistics. I suppose that's why I haven't voted on any RfAs unless I had worked with the person. Anyways, thanks again. .:.Jareth.:. 18:31, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA

Hi Izehar,

Spurious edits

I just wanted to tell you that there are edits going on like removing Macedonian names from Greek towns, changing Republic of Macedonia to FYRM etc. They are done from changing IP numbers, each change done with a separate IP number. Check Florina, Drama, Greece. Andreas 16:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks-2

Looks like I didn't revert back quite far enough on Israel. Thanks for catching my oversight. – ClockworkSoul 18:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

• I already blocked one user for vandalizing Israel today. If there are more, we'll be sure to put a stop to it. – ClockworkSoul 18:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA

I apprecate your support vote on my RfA. I was promoted and I think they didn't count your vote as it was after the deadline. Regardless, thank you for taking the time to cast your vote. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you!--MONGO 09:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Nixer

well, he is a repeat offender, reverted six times, and has a history of months of trolling. 48h is lenient, taking in consideration that I am involved (if rolling back blockheaded trolling is 'involvement'). If I happened on the user without previous involvement, I would have blocked him for a week for his utter inability to respect the most basic rules. Just have a look at Talk:Proto-Indo-European language, and at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Nixer and E Pluribus Anthony if that isn't enough. If you happen to disagree with the block, though, I suppose that makes it a fact that the block is disputed, regardless of what I think, and you are free to reset it to 24h for a simple 3RRvio. dab (ᛏ) 13:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

What is wrong with Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Nixer and E Pluribus Anthony ? The mediation came successful, my point of view winned both mediation and voting and at the end we all came to the full consensus.--Nixer 15:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

It's ok! I really appreciate your integrity, Izehar, and I am grateful for your comment on AN/I, because I care about staying on the right side of policy. Regarding Nixer, maybe I am overreacting. It's just that I've had to deal with his kind several times before, so it's really all very predictable and boring. I had resolved to not let that sort of thing waste my time again (time that I would prefer to spend on expanding articles), and yet again, some time has been wasted. We called him to cite academic references tens of times now. At this point, I will simply not enter a discussion with him on any topic, until he presents references that would be acceptable in a scientific paper. Just rolling him back may seem harsh, but that's the context, and it's the rollback button until he does come forward with something citeable. regards, dab (ᛏ) 21:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I've just come to make the same points as dab. Nixer has repeatedly violated the 3RR (he's been blocked three or four times in under three months, and has violated it on a number of occasions when he hasn't been blocked), and 24-hour blocks don't seem to have any effect on him. Judging from what I've seen, he's heading for something rather more permanent than a 48-hour block if he doesn't change his behaviour. I feel that lifting the block would send him the wrong message. From your increasingly exasperated tone on his Talk page I judge that you're running out of patience with him too, but if you feel that you have any influence with him, he really does ned to be calmed down. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Howay, Izehar, while I agree you were right that I shouldn't have fiddled with Nixer's user page after he deleted the series of warnings from it, he is a fairly problematic user, and reverts ceaselessly anything that disagrees with what is evidently his doctrinaire Stalinism. This kind of dogmatism, combined with sarcasm and spurious moral equivalency, has made the articles over which he maintains his revert watch (Participants in World War II) less valuable (IMHO) than others covering the same subject matter where this is not the case (Polish-Soviet War), even though the often contentious positions of Polish, Russian, and other editors are involved in both. Other users seem to have even less patience with him, particularly when it comes to the article Proto-World language.

Perhaps Activision45, who issued the warnings, should put them on Nixer's talk page instead. ProhibitOnions 23:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Philosophy (navigation) RfC

We have a content dispute issue. Please comment on the talk page. This message is being sent out to everyone who didn't vote Delete in the last TfD of the template, ie: User:SimonP User:Jules.lt User:Pjacobi User:thames User:Michael User:Christopherparham User:FranksValli User:Silence User:Andymussell User:Moosh88 User:Rick Norwood User:Izehar unsigned by Infinity0 (talk · contribs) - post left at 00:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. As I wrote, I was looking forward to feedback from the community, and I would like to let you know that you should please feel free to leave any further feedback for me you may have for me in the future at my Talk page. Thanks again. Jkelly 09:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Urgent deletion issue

Hi, I created the Philosophy (navigation) template, and I voted for saving it too (as an IP). However, when I duplicated the template to adopt a new tag name, Infinity0 had a cow. We've been in an edit war since I started the template, and we escalated our battle to TfD, which was a big mistake, for now the whole project (both templates) is at risk because some people are voting to delete both. Meanwhile Infinity0 and I are voting to delete each other's TfD candidates, ironically pushing the delete votes for both templates into the majority. We need your help. Neither of us want both templates to die.

Here are the reasons to choose the "Philosophy Quick Topic Guide" tag:

• Both templates are identical, as changes are ported after each round of disputes, to keep them that way. We've nearly come to a compromise on the few edits that we are still at odds over, but Infinity0 is one stubborn kid. Our competition has improved the template continuously, which is a good thing.
• The conversion of the old tag to the new tag is complete.
  • The new tag has placement in Misplaced Pages articles. It is hooked in to the top level of the Philosophy hierarchy, and then some.
  • The old tag has virtually no placement in any Misplaced Pages articles. It's discussion page link sits on a bunch of users' talk pages, and that's about it. And since I placed most of the old tags, it didn't seem out of place for me to upgrade them.
• Since the content of the templates are identical, and the fact that jousting will continue on whichever template wins, it makes sense to vote for the one that maintains the project's presence on Misplaced Pages.

Please vote to save the template: click here. For further discussions click here

Go for it! 04:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Sean Black RfA

Thank you very much for your support of my RfA. Thanks, in part, to you, I am now an Administrator, and I pledge to use my newfound powers for good rather than evil. Thanks again!--Sean|Black 08:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

"vandalism"

Deleting an editor's comments from a talk page (even if it looks like a grafitti), cannot be labeled (in your edit summary) as "reverting vandalism" etc. While the talk pages are (in theory) for discussing the article, different rules apply to them, than the rules that apply to the "Main" namespace. Take care! (even if you considered that "graffiti" as a PA, your labeling it as vandalism and propaganda could also be characterised as a PA, and that's a long loop that we can avoid) +MATIA ☎ 12:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

You are right that my interpretation of NPA is kinda strict, check ArbCom (related to this comment of mine) to get an idea why. Take care! +MATIA ☎ 13:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Northumbrian dialects

Fella, I'd be happy to edit an article but I really don't have the time or knowledge on the subject to create one from scratch. Let me know how you want to go with this. If you can dump a load of source material on me, I'll gladly see if I can organise it. IainP (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, very much, administrator for that barnstar!My first Barnstar! Although, may you pardon my ignorence and tell me the reason for this occasion? HolyRomanEmperor 15:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Halibutt's RfA

Thanks! Halibutt 16:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I am both. I lived in both states, and I have both citizenships. I was born in one, but I currently live in the other. HolyRomanEmperor 19:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Born in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (on the territory currently under Croatia), currently in Serbia and Montenegro. unsigned by HolyRomanEmperor (talk · contribs) - post left at 19:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Portal:England

nice one setting up an England portal - didn't seem quite right that Scotland had one for them without England having one...

Anyway, I'm pretty much running Portal:London, so some collaborative efforts for London-related topics would be quite nice... and perhaps try not to overlap the England page with London too much...

Having said that, all of ours overlap P:UK!!!

I should also mention that I felt obliged to remove England from the namespace because it did not qualify under the terms of WPT:P. While I did not want to do it, it seems like double-standards to let a portal I support have preferential treatment. Once the England page is complete (i.e. full of links, categories, etc. and no redlinks) then just whack it back in.

All the best, Deano 21:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

My adminship nom.

Thank you. I had, for various reasons, vowed not to consider an adminship until December, so you're a day early - I'll need a day or two to put together my responses in any event, so I suppose this works out. I should give you fair warning that you'll probably draw the ire (tho lighthearted ire) of a half-dozen or so folks who had vowed to nominate me around this time tomorrow. I shall do my best to avoid raising consternation through this process! Thanks again. BDAbramson T 00:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• As promised, I have accepted your nomination! Cheers! BDAbramson T 00:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar! How did you find me? I haven't been editing for a while.

Note my sig is temporarily broken: Prodego 18:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

1st Jan 2006

I thought it(finding me) might have to do with the support vote I placed on BDAbramson's RfA. unsigned by Prodego (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey!

Thanks for the surreal barnstar. It makes me feel very happy to be appreciated on Misplaced Pages, what is a "wild card, though"? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

(given as a part of my Holiday season gifts to every Wikipedian whom I give a message to). Tchau! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess so, oh crap, I guess you are my new barnstar "giver outer" competition. Usually, most Wikipedians don;t like giving them out or think that they are a waste of time. I like people that take the time to give them away, so I say thanks. I don't. Take care. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Changed up the barnstar to a kindness one, you deserve more than must a regular one. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for my first barnstar BTW. I am planning to give MARMOT (talk · contribs) a barnstar for overcoming his vandal urges - hope you don't beat me to it ;-) Izehar 22:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope I won't beat you to it, sorry but I may not be able to post yours on my page as there are too many. I am waiting to add my twentieth for the one I always wanted, the Tireless Contributor Award. I hope that doesn't sound selfish or evil. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!-2

Thanks for the very unexpected Barnstar. While I'm not sure exactly what I did to deserve it, I am grateful nonetheless. Was there something specific that you thought I did well? Where was I kind that I might not have otherwise been? I'm not fishing for compliments, but rather looking for ways to keep up the good work, and examples are always helpful. Thanks. --LV 22:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, it is good that my user name caught your attention... it does stand out. But as to the matter of personal attacks, I actually have made a couple of personal attacks early in my WP career, but am sorry and have moved past that. If you really want to know what I am referring to, I'm sure you could search and find them. But thanks anyways. Cheers. --LV 14:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hey, can I hang it on my front page? Thanks for the award, by the way, haha... VMORO 23:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I hanged it:-)))). Thank you again!!! VMORO 23:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks-3

Hi Izehar. Just dropping by to thank you for your welcome note and the few good pointers you offered me. See you around, eh? :o) --MrMiagi 14:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Merci

Thanks for another barnstar! That is the one I always wanted. You really are a kind person:

THANKS! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Land Registration Act 2002

It looks good, but a but sparse - I'm not as far up on UK law as I'd like to be, so I'm assuming that the provisions you've noted are actual changes as opposed to renewals or codifications of existing practice. Also, one of the sources you've cited suggests controversy with respect to the adverse possession provisions, but hasn't the UK long had that in its laws? Is there other controversy raised by this law? Finally, is there a formal citation (as we have with U.S. statutes by reference to the United States Code or the Public Laws? I note that the Acts of the UK Parliament 2002 website has both an alphabetical list and a numerical list, and I was wondering about the significance of the latter. Cheers! BDAbramson T 16:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• P.S. Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/BDAbramson is going quite well - I'm stunned by the turnout! Thank you again for the nom. BDAbramson T 16:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Tedernst RFA

Thanks for your support! Tedernst | Talk 22:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks Izehar. I really appreciate your gesture! I know that curiousity killed the cat but I am curious to know about 2 things. what did I do to deserve it, was there any particular thingie?. And please what does מזל טוב in Hebrew means?. Again, thanks mate! -- Svest 23:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)  

Nice! Well, it was you the discoverer ;) I am sorry to declare that I didn't understand Mazal Tov, dang, dang! -- Cheers -- Svest 23:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)  

I am one of the 400,000-500,000 exiled, killed and evacuated from Croatia. HolyRomanEmperor 16:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

They didn't like my religion, and several other things. HolyRomanEmperor 16:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Orthodox Christianity HolyRomanEmperor 16:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Not one of those (but Yugoslav would be the most correct) You see, there were plenty of Catholic Serbs, and even some Orthodox Croats. Until the union. The union destroyed all nations, so the only way for the nationalist power-hungry demagogues to differ Serbs from Croats and vice versa would be religion. In other words, its recent (and artificial) HolyRomanEmperor 16:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

No, Karlovac, the most Yugoslav (mixed) city of Yugoslavia. Ofcourse I would return if I would be given the chance (and if to which I could return would be restored to me, if you know what I mean) HolyRomanEmperor 17:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Izehar,

A third is over there; a third lives here and a third is underground. It is worthless. We have spent over eight years spending money on lawers and filling applications, but they just say two things: 1) Croatia is a state with many problems and cannot deal with you just now and 2) you have no grounds to request your material ownership and/or reperation demands HolyRomanEmperor 17:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

We have hired a lawyer, but he was known in Croatia as a četnik lawyer because of his Serbian ethnicity; so we switched to a Croatian one... who appearently only wanted to "eat" our money. HolyRomanEmperor 17:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

They say that we left our apartment, and did not return for eight months, which renders the apartment constitutionally and legally confiscated by the Croatian government. HolyRomanEmperor 17:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

When our lawyer lodged an appeal stating that the Government of Croatia gave the apartment to another citizen that moved in two months after we left; the judge said that it is irrelevant in our case, and that we must obey the law of Croatia (eight months limit of absence). HolyRomanEmperor 17:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

We have also requested reperation demands for our houses and permission to sell our lands in Croatia (you cannot without the government's approval); we were granted that, but under the condition that we permanently return, and that we would only be given the material for the damage done. HolyRomanEmperor 17:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

And any sort of a financial... the judge says that since the Government "announced that it respects all nations of Croatia" before the war, we didn't need to leave; and for the ethnic cleansing camp - claims that it was only a relocation for the better commodities of non-national peoples. HolyRomanEmperor 17:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Exactly, we have already spent our life's savings of several thousand euros in those eight years. Conclusion - Croatia has no ambition to accept the refugees HolyRomanEmperor 17:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I said that a third lives there, and I go there every summer. HolyRomanEmperor 17:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It sounds nice :) but will remain a dream. HolyRomanEmperor 17:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

One of the two main goals of the war was to get rid of the Serbian people... I see no point now (from their POV) to return them :))) HolyRomanEmperor 18:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The Serbs comprised some 15% perhaps of the population of the Socialist Republic of Croatia. Thez constituated a majority (and held as private ownership) between 30% and 40% of Croatia's territory. The constitution stated that Croatia is the nation-state of Croats and Serbs. The 1990 new constitution banned the use of cyrillics (serbian letter) in the traffics in Croatia; changed the official Croatian or Serbian language simply to Croatian language and worst, placed the Serbs as a national minority (from the constitutional level) HolyRomanEmperor 18:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too. HolyRomanEmperor 18:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Besides, if they went all the trouble to do that. Why would they get in trouble returning them? Imagine what would that mean; three aoutonomous provinces would have to be created (just like Kosovo) on the soil of Croatia, Serbs would again be a constititional nation; and the Serbian language official. 11,000 Croats died fighting against that. Would they undermine their losses? HolyRomanEmperor 18:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

No, firstly it was impossible to traverse between Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia and Montenegro. As the war passed beyond, Croatia and BiH allowed passage without visa. BiH gave that privilege to SCG just now (before you could move only to the Serb Republic, one of the two entities of BiH) and trevelling between Croatia and Serbia and Montenegro is still very difficult. HolyRomanEmperor 18:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I would be extremly grateful if you could do that, my friend. Could do that for the first half of the talk page? Thanks in advance! :) HolyRomanEmperor 18:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks anyway :) HolyRomanEmperor 18:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for voting to support my RfA. I wasn't expecting an unopposed promotion (I thought I'd hit some die-hard edit-counters at least) and I'm touched by the trust shown in me. I'll try my best to continue to earn that trust. But first, I'll have to work on not sounding like a politician; that last sentence was awful. Oh well. Let me know when I screw something up with the shiny new buttons. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I would like to thank you for your support of my recent successful RfA. If you have any further comments or feedback for me, my door's open - don't hesistate to drop a note on my talk page. Happy editing! Enochlau 11:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I find something quitte ironic. 80% of Jewish Yugoslavs were ethnicly cleansing by the Ustashas during World War II, and aside from that, there were no more conflicts with Jews on these lands. I mean, anti-semitism was fierce in Catholic lands like Spain and in some Protestant as well; while here, Jews enjoyed greater autonomy while (we) the Byzantines ruled the Holy Land. And yet, the number of Jews in Orthodox (Balkan) countries is minimal. I find this very ironic. HolyRomanEmperor 13:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Shreshth91's RfA

Hello Izehar,

Ma'alot

Hi Izehar: See the mess about the Ma'alot article Can you correct it? Thanks. IZAK 10:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Didn't want to start a new section here, but just wanted to say thanks for bringing up the issue to the admin notice board. I didn't because I didn't know about the noticeboard, sorry... just thought when a move request template was posted on a page, an admin would eventually review it because of the category, in the same way as Speedy Deletion. As for kh vs h, I think HET/HA are more often transliterated to 'ch' than 'kh', which avoids confusion between HET/KHAF, and HA/H'A. -- Ynhockey 12:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations

Hi Izehar: Please see the Vote for Deletion (vfd) for Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 4#Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations. Thank you. IZAK 12:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Now that my RfA is fully and officially completed, I want to thank you for your support. I appreciate your confidence that I can do the job. -- SCZenz 18:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry

Don't worry User:Decius is User:Alexander_007 and I strongly recommend this man! He is so valuable and maybe too modest. He will be elected for sure, and I invite you also to vote for him. We need such Admins like Alexander. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 18:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA for TheParanoidOne

Hello Izehar. Thanks for the vote of confidence in my RFA. I have now officially received the badge, so I shall try my best to be a good administrator. Thanks again. --TheParanoidOne 19:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Mindmatrix scam adminship

I have recently been granted greater access to your systems, and can begin the process of salvaging the sensitive information from my politically unstable land, as I promised. Please accept this loonie as a token of faith that I will conduct myself as required to complete our transaction. Thank you for your support. Mindmatrix 20:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstars

Thanks very much! I'll add those to my user page... :-) -- ChrisO 20:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Cnwb's RfA

Izehar,

Thanks

Thank you very much indeed for my barnstar. I really do appreciate it.--Mais oui! 00:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Seeming contradiction on your user page...

===>Post-modernism vs. Racism Under the POV on various issues, you claim that "There is no absolute truth for me; even the most hardened facts are open to interpretation," and go on to state "I am dogmatically opposed to racism (including anti-Semitism)." How can you claim that there is no absolute truth, and then dogmatically be opposed to racism? Isn't it possible that Jews are morally and genetically inferior in one's construction of fact, and therefore true to that individual? I suppose the larger question becomes what's the point of standing for or against anything if you are a post-modernist? Wouldn't even post-modernism itself be not necessarily true? Justin (koavf) 03:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

===>Thanks for the speedy response Here's hoping for a swift and bloodless establishment of a Palestinian state. Justin (koavf) 14:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

fascist anon

Hi!

Please look at this: ], there is a fascist anon, can you help please? -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 18:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

He changed until now 5-6 IPs: user:81.182.194.197 user:81.182.104.136 user:81.182.195.63 user:81.182.20.159 user:81.182.108.116 user:81.182.194.197.... Can you report to somebody or to an admin? I am not admin. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 19:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Everyday he makes these edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=81.182.194.197 -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 19:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have detected that is from Szombathely, Hungary. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 19:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Dear, Izehar! A possibility is to protect the pages. This anon seems that he does not will to reach consensus. -- Bonaparte talk 18:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

• I'm interested where do you know that i'm a fascist from? I think you are the fascist, because don't let the justice predominate... I'm not fascist, not irredentist, not nationalist: and i will not tell it again, learn it at once

There is a club in Hungary, where only geniouses can join in. And the forum of the site of this club there is a rule: Who at first call the other fascist, communist etc. that lost the discussion. I think it is a good rule... (I'm regrettably not a member of this club) And by the way, I'm not from Szombathely... unsigned by 81.182.144.238 (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Alright

Well Izehar, whether we realized it or not, we worked together toward a temporary solution. Peace, Shalom, Alexander 007 22:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey,

Thanks for the barnstar. Would you believe it, its my first one. Many thanks. FearÉIREANN\ 23:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Been here since the February 2002!!! Oh my gawd! I didn't realise it was that long!!! FearÉIREANN\ 23:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

You're fine

No. That is the exact user that template was designed for. Jimbo and the arbcom are aware of him. He has been blocked indefinitely by their orders. By 'no legal threats' they mean 'don't threaten to sue someone if you can't get your way on wikipedia.' That template doesn't do that. It warns a user that defamation is an offence and they can be sued for defaming someone. AFAIK your usage was spot on. If ever a user comes on either posting defamatory attacks in edit summaries or by virtue of their names, block them indefinitely and post that template. (I have emailed members of the arbcom and Jimbo directly to alert them to the template. If anyone raises an issue about your usage of it, tell them to speak to me, and that Jimbo has been informed about the existence of the template and the rare reasons why it might be used.) It should be fine, I would say. FearÉIREANN\ 00:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit on Bush page

I'm a long-time user of wikipedia but new to editing, granted, and look forward to exploring the technical nuances of the editing process. That said, don't you think my very minor edit to the Bush entry is a valid one? Trojanpony 13:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The problems with the anon

I'd recommend posting this on the administrators noticeboard. Actually I'm going to do that myself. I'll let Bonaparte know too. I'm doing this because we just can't protect 4 pages. Hopefully there's a better way. If not, we'll protect the pages. --Woohookitty 19:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

George W. Bush

I'm wondering why you reverted Trojanpony's edit to George W. Bush. It was legitimate, I have restored it. Please don't revert edits just because they are made by a new user. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I didn't know that it was previously reverted by someone else. I'll contact Geni. Thanks for letting me know. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Erm... Why did you just revert this? Please read edits more carefully before you revert them. If there was some reason for that, please let me know--Sean|Black 21:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah. Sorry if that sounded rude above, and thanks for explaining. I never would of guessed that there were too many people watching the article for vandalism :). Thanks again--Sean|Black 21:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnster

Izehar, thanks for the Barnster!!! There's tremendous misconceptions about Hinduism in the West and being an American of Indian origin, I was determined to change the impression. I hope that I least tried on wikipedia.

I have many Jewish friends and I am fascinated by how Jews and Hindus and maybe the Chinese are the only three ancient peoples who have maintained their culture and traditions for thousands of years. Everyone talks about Egyptian, Roman and Greek civilization of the past but do they exist today? The prayers Jews and Hindus pray today were the same prayers said by our ancestors four thousand years ago!!

Raj2004 23:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Izehar, Hinduism was under assault because much of India was ruled by foreign invaders, the Muslims, some of them intolerant, and the Christian British. They had to denigrate our religion and customs in order to rule. That's part of the reason why Hinduism is so misunderstood. Even most Hindus don't really understand the religion. As I have written, Hinduism divided into four denominations.

Reincarnation is closely tied with karma. It is related to the problem of evil in Hinduism. See Karma in Hinduism, for example. We don't believe God condemns us to eternal hell. This is very pro-Vaishnavite site, but it has very easy to read explanations about reincarantion and karma, http://www.gitamrta.org/reincarnation.htm, http://www.gitamrta.org/karma.htm Vaishnavites worship Vishnu as the supreme God and is a monotheisic faith. When people think Hinduism is polytheistic, they are confused, because most Hindus are in fact Smarta in belief and are rather inclusive monotheists, that is they believe the different forms of God is the same God; see monotheism article for more detail.

Raj2004 00:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

This belief of the many Hindu deities are supposed to be manifestations of a single divine source called Brahman is only the belief of Smarta Hinduism which follows Advaita philosophy. Vaishnavism, on the other hand, for example, states only Vishnu is Brahman but a personal God and no other deity besides Him, like the God of Israel in Judaism. In Smarta Hinduism, Brahman, specifically Nirguna Brahman can never be defined because to define Brahman would be limiting and is a impersonal force. The lower Brahman, or God with form, Saguna Brahman, which is personified as Vishnu or Shiva is a personal God, like the God of Judaism and Islam. In the other branches of Hinduism such as Vaishnavism and Saivism, they only worship a personal supreme God like Judaism.

Hope this helps.

Raj2004 00:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

as for personal qualities of God such as mercifulness, here's what I wrote about in the God article,

"In the two largest branches of Hinduism, Shaivism and Vaishnavism, it is believed that Ishvara and Brahman are identical, and God is in turn anthromorphically identified with Shiva or Vishnu. God, whether in the form of Shiva or Vishnu has six attributes. However, the actual number of auspicious qualities of God, are countless, with the following six qualities being the most important.

• The number six is invariably given, but the individual attributes listed vary. One set of attributes (and their common interpretations) are:
  • Jñāna (Omniscience), defined as the power to know about all beings simultaneously;
  • Aishvarya (Sovereignty, derived from the word Ishvara), which consists in unchallenged rule over all;
  • Shakti (Energy), or power, which is the capacity to make the impossible possible;
  • Bala (Strength), which is the capacity to support everything by will and without any fatigue;
  • Vīrya (Vigour), or valour which indicates the power to retain immateriality as the supreme being in spite of being the material cause of mutable creations; and
  • Tejas (Splendour), which expresses his self-sufficiency and the capacity to overpower everything by his spiritual effulgence.; (cited from Bhakti Schools of Vedanta, by Swami Tapasyānanda.)

• A second set of six characteristics are
  • Jñāna (Omniscience),
  • Vairagya (Detachment),
  • Yashas (Fame),
  • Aishvarya (Sovereignty, derived from the word Ishvara),
  • Srī (Glory) and
  • Dharma (Righteousness).

• Other important qualities attributed to God are Gambhīrya (grandeur), Audārya (generosity), and Kārunya (compassion)."

Raj2004 00:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hinduism has many branches and like any religion, it depends on what school of thought you are, Here is good general book on Hinduism. http://www.dlshq.org/download/hinduismbk.htm (a little difficult for the newcomer)

a good book for the westerner, Dancing with Siva, but slanted towards Saivism

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/dws/dws_table_of_contents.html

Raj2004 00:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, Hinduism is a very old religion and as you can expect, a lot of thinkers will have different views. ISKCON traces its roots from a legitimate subdivision Gaudiya Vaishnavism of Vaishnvaism, one of the four denominations of Hinduism. Most of their beliefs appear legitimate ( I can't verify all) but some may be cult-like.

ISKCON has a mixed view among traditional Hindus, some of whom think it's a perverted form of Vaishnavism.

Raj2004 01:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

No, there were never 300 million deities, if I recall, written in the Vedas. They refer to devas, which are numerous and equivalent to angels.

Brahman is clearly stated in the Vedas as one. A famous line from Vedas state Truth is one, the wise call by different names.

I am Smarta in belief,

Raj2004 01:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, we don't have 200 million gods. We worship God primarily as Vishnu, Shiva or God's Power, Shakti. Even Smartas only recognize six forms of God, unlike Saivites and Vaishnavites who only recognize one form. We, like Christians, do believe in lesser powerful beings named devas; see smartism and deva for more detail. The reason Hinduism is not a missionary religion is the we believe everyone has to seek his own path to God. These are common quotes echoing that belief. A well-known Rig Vedic hymn stemming from Hinduism claims that "Truth is One, though the sages know it variously." Krishna, incarnation or avatar of Vishnu, the supreme God in Hinduism, said in the Gita: In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carry out their desires; men pursue My path, O Arjuna, in all ways. (Gita:4:11); Krishna said: "Whatever deity or form a devotee worships, I make his faith steady. However, their wishes are only granted by Me." (Gita: 7:21-22) Another quote in the Gita states: "O Arjuna, even those devotees who worship other lesser deities (e.g., Devas, for example) with faith, they also worship Me, but in an improper way because I am the Supreme Being. I alone am the enjoyer of all sacrificial services (Seva, Yajna) and Lord of the universe." (Gita: 9:23) What's good for one is not good for another. As the site, http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_polytheism.htm states, "The Bhagavad Gita clearly explains the pitfalls of worshipping smaller gods and making offerings to them. Sri Krishna informs us clearly that those who worship smaller gods would go to them, while those who worship the Supreme Self would reach Him only. Hinduism therefore does not view favorably the practice of worshipping smaller deities, but does not condemn the worshippers either for choosing a circuitous path."

.... These are relevant verses from the Gita:

hapter 9, Verse 23. Whatever a man may sacrifice to other gods, O son of Kunti, is really meant for Me alone, but it is offered without true understanding.

Chapter 9, Verse 24. I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down. Chapter 9, Verse 25. Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.

Only Vishnu or Shiva as God can grant the desired object of every human, moksha. The lesser deities cannot do that.

Raj2004 01:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

also, I think one is insulting God when you limit Him to one conception of Him. You say God is omnipotent and then you say he can only be this.

Raj2004 01:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

I feel I owe you some sort of a thank you. I was on a machine at school and edited my user page, adding the text 'test' to it. You, knowing that the school's IP has been blocked before, reverted the comments and warned the user.

If it's any sort of thank you, I just reverted your user page from a vandal. Oh, and you just left a thank you note for that action. :-)

--TonySt, Vandalism Ninja 00:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

That IP comes from LA, California, USA. I thought is connected to the anon vandal. -- Bonaparte talk 17:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen before. Good that someone helped us. It was such annoying...-- Bonaparte talk 17:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way how many romanians are in Israel? I've read once that are around 10%. Is this true? the second minority after the russian diaspora? -- Bonaparte talk 17:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

400,000? ] - -- Bonaparte talk 17:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I'm not from capital :) -- Bonaparte talk 18:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I think you can start learning romanian :) since is a very easy to learn language. If you know italian then everything is so easy. (or french/spanish) -- Bonaparte talk 18:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Did you knew that moldovan is romanian with another name? -- Bonaparte talk 07:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

You are very wise, sometimes if you try too hard to explain I hope it won't got it inverse the effect. Continue to be wise. Peace, Shalom. -- Bonaparte talk 17:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

renaming Mormonism and Judaism page

Thanks for drawing my attention to that discussion Izehar, I really appreciate it. I am quite interested in Mormonism, but that question is a little over my head. It seems from reading the article that people should really choose the direction they want the page to go in before they choose the name. I would prefer just a history of the relationship between the two communities.. I don't go in for these pages which analyse the doctrinal differences between religions, it always seems to exacerbate misunderstandings. Anyway good luck on sorting it out Zargulon 01:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

I see you fixed the WW2 casualties page--Berndd11222 17:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Army-Navy game 2005

I correctly edited in Army-Navy game but you sent me a incomprehensible message: "Thanks for experimenting with Misplaced Pages. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Izehar (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)"

Why? unsigned by ProdigySportsman (talk · contribs) - post left at 23:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

You assume that I was signed in when I made corrections. You assumed wrong. Trust me, I know better than you things I have done. I also sent you an exact copy of the message you sent me. would you like me to post it again? Why would this be a joke? It is not even funny.

ProdigySportsman 04:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

You didn't edit the Army-Navy game but you did edit Commander in Chief's Trophy. Which was where I edited this: "The trophy has been awarded to Air Force 16 times, Navy 7 times, and Army 6 times." This is incorrect, as you can see in the top right hand corner of the page it says 8. Make sure you don't revert something that is indeed correct, please check it out first. Navy beat Army to win the CIC trophy on December 3rd. So I was a little mistaken on what I edited, they are really similar topics. ProdigySportsman 16:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Bengal famine

Hallo Izehar, and thank you for your messages. I have laid out my reasoning for the disclaimer over the link to the Holocaust revisionism journal on the discussion page for that article (]). I do not understand why a simple disclaimer, that I feel is clearly merited (where in fact one might ordinarily think that the only other option would be to delete the link completely) has aroused such passion, although by your impatience it is clear that you feel strongly about it. I have outlined my reasoning on that page (in summary, because an uninformed reader would not be aware of the provenance of that article unless they followed the link; I presume that many or most do not in fact do this). I do not think that an obviously biased article from a Holocaust revisionism journal is a sufficiently reliable source to be drawn upon for an encyclopaedia article, and I suspect that I will not be alone in that view. Could we perhaps agree to put this issue (and the Bengal famine article more generally, which is of poor quality at present) to some sort of peer-review or other independent third party opinion so as to present a possible way forward? Please refer to the talk page for the Bengal famine article for a full exposition of my thinking on this matter, but note also that I immediately placed a justification for my (very minor) edit on there as soon as the original change was made. If you can point to a wikipedia rule that explicitly states that suggesting reader caution in relying upon very clearly biased cited sources of obviously dubious veracity is not allowed as you stated, then I will (very reluctantly) remove my disclaimer, although in so far as the article seems to draw very heavily on that source, I would therefore suggest as an alternative that the entire article either be deleted or have a 'neutrality disputed' flag imposed. I am an educator, and it worries me that students (who, rightly or wrongly, draw on wikipedia for research purposes) may come away with the belief that revisionist history journals that, frankly, in many cases fall little short of justifying atrocities, are somehow worthwhile academic sources. I do not believe that this is so, nor do I believe that such material should (in general) be drawn on to construct wikipedia. We may be best served be seeking an independent opinion. Sorry for being so long-winded, I look forward to your response and thank you for your comments. unsigned by 86.132.186.88 (talk · contribs) - post left at 23:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Hallo Izehar- I'm not sure that deleting the link is the best solution. It was a primary cited source for the wikiarticle. I originally left it to inform potential readers that any information derived from it (and I believe that the POV of the Pfitzner article seems to have informed that of the primary author of the wikiarticle) COULD be considered suspect, and therefore encourage them to seek corroboration through more reliable sources regarding contentious issues. Leaving the information from the article IN, but removing the actual link explaining WHERE that information came from, may potentially be misleading. I think it would have been better to leave a disclaimer on the source and allow readers to make up their own minds (or, even better, to rewrite the article so as to adopt an academic style of referencing, overtly linking statements and assertions with the source/citation in the prose itself, and thereby allowing the reader to assess likely reliability on a point-by-point basis). It's unfortunate that you think that my choice of words gave the impression that the whole article was a hoax; I think the use of the brackets and the clear spatial linking of the disclaimer with the citation and link made it very clear that my comment pertained only to the Pfitzner article. I did try and phrase the wording ('reader beware') so as to suggest general caution in interpretation, rather than condemning the Pfitzner article outright. However, your choice of words is certainly acceptable also, and if you really want to delete the link then I guess that's an acceptable compromise if you really feel it is appropriate. In general, the article itself (on a subject I find interesting but for which I have only a superficial knowledge unfortunately) needs a lot of work and may deserve a clean up/neutrality disputed tag. I may leave a message on the talk page tomorrow and canvass other opinions- yours would be appreciated as a start however? Again, cheers for the comments. unsigned by 86.132.186.88 (talk · contribs) - post left at 00:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Izehar, thanks for your support on my RfA. The final count was 46/0/0. I hope I'll live up to your faith in me in my use of the mop and bucket. Please accept this wikithanks as a token of my gratitude ;) --bainer (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Early RFA thanks

Hi Izehar,

Idealist

On your user page, there is a list of characteristics. Postmodernist is at the top and Materialist is at the bottom. The attribute "Idealist" may have two or more meanings. Do you think it means "one who strives for perfection" or "one who thinks that the only things that we know with immediate certainty are our mental pictures of objects, not objects in themselves"?Lestrade 01:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)Lestrade

My failed RFA :)

Dear Izehar,

Awolf002 RfA

Thank you very much for your support for my RfA. I will do everything I can to justify your trust in me. Awolf002 03:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks much for the barnstar! Being snowed in definitely has had an impact on my wikiproductivity. –Abe Dashiell 13:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Yet Another RFA Thank You Note to clutter up your talk page...

Izehar:

Just wanted to drop you a quick note to say thanks for your support in my recent RFA. As you may know, my RFA succeeded with a final tally of 46/13/2. I will always endeavor to ensure that your support was not misplaced.

All the best.
→ Ξxtreme Unction {ł_blah} 15:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Asim_Led is overreacting with his edits. He keeps changing the History of Bosnia. I have explained everything perfectly on the talk page, but he refuses to accept. Additionally, he broke the 3RR rule... What should I do? HolyRomanEmperor 17:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

As I said, I am not an evil-wisher, so I am not going to report him. :) I meant more about his reverts. Advice? (or better direct help?) HolyRomanEmperor 17:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I must have made a mistake. Anyway, what to do with this awkford disagreement? HolyRomanEmperor 18:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Macedonia

Are you familiar with Macedonia related articles? +MATIA ☎ 18:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

That would only lock the article; and when it would be unlocked, the war would be opened. The entire arugement is based on this: User:Asim_Led does not allow an incorrect part to be corrected. HolyRomanEmperor 18:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Not if the page is locked after his last edit. That way he will be satisfied, and won't have a reason to start talking on the talk page. By now, he has been only reverting; and I have been talking to myself (:() on the talk page... HolyRomanEmperor 18:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I have far too slow internet connection for that :( (the article is too large) HolyRomanEmperor 18:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Question about reversion

Care to explain why you reverted this? Just curious. Thanks. --LV 20:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't necessarily think it should be reverted back. I was just curious. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a blind anon reversion. I don't think what that person said was too biased. WP:AGF. It says basically the same thing, but with different wording. "Making her career on" and "making a career of" are pretty similar. --LV 20:45, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

isms

sorry to see you leaving the, ahem, merry band of wikipedists so soon :op — I realize it may sound snotty or condescending, but then I've really been goaded into it, these days (see the "gem" I just added to my User page :) regards, dab (ᛏ) 21:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Semi-protection

I saw you just reverted vandalism on George W. Bush, and wondered what you thought about the proposals to curb what's going on there. If you have time, check out Misplaced Pages:Semi-protection policy, and weigh in (there's something of a large discussion page, so be prepared. For a quick run-through of what's been said and done, see #rehashing) Hope to see you there. -Mysekurity 22:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Page protection for George W. Bush

For George W. Bush, and can part of the revisions that can be seen in the history be removed? Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, page protection is vital - no one must see the vandalised versions, we'd be a laughing stock. Izehar (talk) 00:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times before; check the Talk archives of that article for hours of arguments about that very topic. A better alternative for limiting vandalism to popular targets is now being debated on Misplaced Pages:Semi-protection policy. If you haven't done so yet, go voice your opinion there! Owen× ☎ 01:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I notice you have already been pointed in the right direction... :) Owen× ☎ 01:15, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

re: sig

Some vandalfighter you are. You missed all the fun on George W. Bush - it was a series of WoW attacks. Obscene vandalism! Izehar (talk) 01:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

PS I suggest you try the following script for your signature

], ]

it will produce TonySt, vandalism Ninja. Cheers! Izehar (talk) 01:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

• Hey, thanks for the code! Yeah, I saw the WoW attacks, but was always beaten when trying to revert ;-) --TonySt, vandalism Ninja 01:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I spent all my YUBC connection... HolyRomanEmperor 09:37, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the Barnstar, Izehar! -- The Neokid 14:24, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Pathoschild's successful RfA

Thanks a lot for your support on my request for adminship; it passed with 23/0/0 (plus one duplicate support and an oppose from a vandal IP). I'm glad you saw enough promise in me to vote twice. ;) // Pathoschild 09:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Question

What did I allegedly vandalize? 216.164.193.81 21:54, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I admit that that is true, and for that I am sorry. However, I would like to know why I received three warnings for that one act. 216.164.193.81 22:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

That's strange. I recall pushing the "preview" button. I guess I must have accidentally pushed the "save" button. Would you be so kind as to remove the warnings from my User Talk page? I have heard that only admins are allowed to do that. 216.164.193.81 22:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Ann's RfA

Hi, Izehar! I want to thank you for voting to support me in my RfA. I know I'm very late thanking you, but I've been a bit caught up with college work. I hope I'll live up to the expectations of those who voted for me. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you ever have a problem with any action I carry out as an admin. Thanks again. Cheers. AnnH 18:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Mormon view of the House of Joseph

Hi Izehar: Please see the "next installment" of mish-mash articles at Mormon view of the House of Joseph. Thanks. IZAK 18:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections

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➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 19:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Mwai aar eiff 'ey!

thanks!

I was thinking these days of giving you one barnstar (I know the reason), but I haven't found an appropriate image yet. And you gave me a second :) Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 00:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

This is the first one that I give :) and I think you deserve it because you try to make wp an easier place for everyone. +MATIA ☎ 00:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

your vote on my RfA

Hey Izehar! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Thanks

Thanks for the Barnstar! --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 20:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Support

Thanks for your just judgement and your support on my RfC. --Anittas 16:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Why don't you change the Israel's site and you do it for my country? Do you know more about the difference between Republic of Macedonia and Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia? U.N. don't recognise FYROM as RoM, why do you force this recognision? I'm from Bulgarian Macedonia and since the end of Yugoslavia I have to change the name of my region, cause some other people want to monopolise something that they don't have (less than 50%) and historically don't deserve. At least they can give the opportunity for others to use the name Macedonia. How can I describe my region? Macedonia (Bulgarian), bordering Macedonia? Am I Macedonian, or not? NA dthen if Macedonian I'm not Bulgarian? I can be Bulgarian Macedonian and they can be Slav Macedonians and Greeks can be Macedonians but they don't want to and you support them, they want to monopolise the name. Svetlyo 19:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Orioane's RfA

Hey Izehar! Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. To my amazement there were no negative or neutral votes and the result was (28/0/0). I am now an administrator so I'll try and do my best in this new position. I'll be happy to answer any comments or requests from you. Thanks one more time, Mihai - 20:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

for the revert on my talk page. I guess that's the price of fighting of vandals. It's worth it! lol.Gator (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Jewish culture

Hi Izehar, I was wondering whether you were interested in joining and developing a new WikiProject. While the more-established WikiProject Judaism focuses on relgious aspects of Judaism, this project intends to look at Jewish literature, music, theater, language and history, among other aspects of culture. If you are interested in helping to edit and review these articles, please join! jnothman 06:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

SoLando's RFA

Hi Izehar, thank you for voting in support of my RFA; the result was (28-0-0 ). I hope that I am able to fulfil the expectations that accompany being an admin. If you see me mess up anywhere, have any concerns (be it for my edits or something superficial), please don't hesitate to tell me! Take care. SoLando (Talk) 09:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you Izehar very much for the barnstar. It really gave me a boost. I really have to admit that this is my first Barnstar and I'm impressed and it means a lot to myself.

Peace. Shalom. Bonaparte talk 13:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Martin Gabel

Be careful with setting something as a speedy delete - Martin Gabel is not, as it has a history with a good content, only a vandal who seems to share the name of a more notable guy choosed to vandalize that article. andy 17:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Hey, thanks! I really appreciate that; it does give me a boost when I'm starting to burn out. By the way, I noticed earlier today you are using a warning template I really like -- something like "ooh, behave" -- I think this may be the perfect warning for the schoolkids who leave the silly vandalism. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Speed

You are a quick reverter with a good eye (re: Jesus). Good, fast work. KHM03 19:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Anon block

Okay. - RoyBoy 19:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I want to apologize for being curt before... it was busy @ RC then and I was getting a little annoyed. Your message was appropriately timed and toned. As a result here is a WikiThanks; also I'll inform you your userpage (specifically your 550 table) overlaps your babel in 800x600. Keep up the good stuff! - RoyBoy 02:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks a bunch. I don't think it will pass at this rate, but your support vote means the world to me. Let's keep working together on the AMA. I'm excited about that!Gator (talk) 20:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Joke edit?

I didn't make any joke edits, so I'm not sure why you edited my talk page to tell me not to. Did I break something? Woty 20:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Jew

Everything I wrote was true. I don't know why it is jews think they have some sort of monopoly on intelligence. STOP REMOVING MY EDITS. IF you think one of my edits is not correct check the facts before you remove it. You support the illegal and immoral state is israel, you have no kind of moral authority. unsigned by 68.110.254.176 (talk · contribs) - post left at 22:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Psssssst

This dude was an impostor, so please don't think that was me adding nonsense. Take care, : ) ....εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 23:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

New Ferrari

But, all fake ferrari's aside, I admire you for staying so calm. --Tony (Talk), Vandalism Ninja 23:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

How many messages?

How many of those funny anti-vandalism messages do you have? Their quite creative. -- user:zanimum

Thanks for letting me know about the TfD. It was much appreciated. FearÉIREANN\ 00:17, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Defcon

You said: I think you may have rushed to change Defcon to level four, and you forgot to sign. If you look at it, it looks like I set it. Izehar (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

• Aah, I was wondering about the signing part - wasn't sure whether it was you who last changed the defcon level, or if you just changed the message about those proxys. --Tony (Talk), Vandalism Ninja 00:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Civility

In this edit of yours you say "fixed yucky grammar". That's rude, and is against Misplaced Pages policy on civility (WP:CIV). You may want to not do that again or someone may end up giving you a good ticking off. Izehar (talk) 11:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thankyou. It was meant to be lighthearted and ironic statement. I've never known anyone to take serious offense when using the word "yucky" and grammar in the same sentence. I'll try not to call anyone's grammar "yucky" again. But please, relax. Really. You'll live longer :). Bigj 11:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

READ THIS!

Look, for your own good block this IP address from editing wikipedia as this is a school network and hundreds of chavs log on everyday. They will undoubtubly edit pages, not in a good way. Just block it, or commision to block it. unsigned by 213.249.155.242 (talk · contribs) - post left at 12:17, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

"Jokey" test-messages

I don't think they're appropriate, see here for an example of what I mean.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 13:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I actually think that all vandals should be taken seriously because vandalism of Misplaced Pages is, in the UK and US at least, a criminal offence. By giving jokey messages, you encourage the vandals, they think "Oh, he finds it funny, why don't I amuse him a bit more?" I think it gives the wrong image.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 13:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Why did you call my quotes "nonsense"

How could legitimate authentic quotes from Washington be nonsense? Please dont use your power to push your personal opinion. The article was heavily biased and I was trying to establish equilibruim. unsigned by JJstroker (talk · contribs) - post left at 15:36, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

You stupid bastard

How was that nonsense and vandalism? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5996542.html heres where that came from. First time i ever used wiki, and my last. Good day. unsigned by 140.203.16.76 (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:42, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Brandt edits

I got logged out somehow and didn't notice. Sorry about that. Even though I'm an admin I'm not sure how I can change attribution of edit summaries; I've steadfastly avoided learning anything about the machinery here.

As for the controversial aspect of the edits, there isn't any. Brandt for some years maintained Web pages with his Microsoft criticisms, based on his programming of his Namebase product. And some of what he said was funny, at least to me. The rest of the edits were more of less quotes from his own Misplaced Pages Watch pages (mostly the hivemind one). Sorry about any confusion. I guess the best I can do is to post your comment and this on the talk page. ?? ww unsigned by 151.205.97.129 (talk · contribs) - post left at 23:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

And I see that you have reverted my edits. Should I just go ahead and rerevert or do you still have problems with one or more? ww 00:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

University of Durham proxy server

Hello. You left a message on User_talk:129.234.4.1 threatening blocking due to vandalism. Please bear in mind that this IP address is a proxy server for about 20,000 people, as noted on the user page. I was the person to use the proxy server user after you placed the message and therefore was the one who received it, but have nothing to do with whatever took place. I don't even know what happened.

Blocking the entire University is a ridiculous solution, as is making threats against someone who has nothing to do with the problem. However, if you lodge a complaint with the University I'm sure they can discipline whoever was responsible.

129.234.4.1 02:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

POV in District of Acre

I haven't checked out other District of X`s (referring to districts of Palestine before 1948), but in District of Acre I'm having a revert war with someone who claims that In 1948, as a result of both the rejection of the 1947_UN_Partition_Plan by the Jewish settlers in Palestine, among other things. Because I'm in the army now, I've really got no time for this, although I did add a few links and words that might help appease the other editor. Please take a look :) Thanks. (This message was c&ped from IZAK's user talk page, he didn't reply for some reason). -- Ynhockey 10:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it :) I don't think the 3-revert rule applies since the reverts were done over the period of 1 week (and I also did 3 or so), but it would be really great if you just said you agreed that his info was inaccurate or biased. I'll also add a little section to the article with less POV, hopefully to stop him from reverting again. -- Ynhockey 10:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Trolling

Do you really think that I am trolling? I am asking genuine questions that aren't being answered. This is what debate looks like, 'controversial' (HA!) as it may seem. How is that trolling? Reasonable is a subjective thing. What I want on my user page should be my business. I kind of liked looking at the patterns on screen. When I ask for help I don't like to be ignored or cast aside as a troller or subjected to criticism. Daviddec 11:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: The Black List

I think most of the people who are on that list know that they are, but it wouldn't hurt to give them a nudge. I don't know what he's trying to prove by publishing it.. anyway. Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 18:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yuck! Seems they haven't yet read your user page yet anyway, SqueakBox 19:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. I was pretty appalled to see Slim's location and name given out, and one of the reasons I say who I am (more or less) is because I put the info (in perhaps naiver days) when I first joined, but I fully support the right of editors to keep their anonymity, and I can well imagine the stress this sort of episode can cause, and have bookmarked said page. Cheers, SqueakBox 19:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Tel Aviv question

Can You tell me please the date when international society confirmed Jerusalem as the capital of Israel? Thank You. unsigned by 84.32.111.225 (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

But what about international society? Or may be Israel doesn't pay attention to international opinion and position? unsigned by 84.32.111.225 (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza

Hello, fellow Esperanzians! This is just a friendly reminder that elections for Administrator General and two advisory council positions have just begun. Voting will last until Friday, December 30, so make sure you exercise your right to vote! Also, I'm pleased to announce the creation of the Esperanza mailing list. I urge all members to join; see Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Contact for more information. All you need to do is email me and I will activate your account. This will be a great way to relax, stay in touch, and hear important announcements. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?)

This message was delivered to all Esperanza members by our acting messenger, Redvers. If you do not wish to receive further messages, please list yourself at WP:ESP/S. Thanks.

Izehar

I just wanted to give you another Barnstar for all of your excellent work here on the Wiki:

Take care, εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 19:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

re: The Black List

Hi, thanks. Yes, I did see that. At first it felt creepy, but his page is probably less visited than Misplaced Pages, where he took that info from. Amusingly, my pseudonym was also used, without my knowledge until after the fact, to rather wonderful means here. -Splash 19:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw my name up there. I've written a response/open letter on this subpage of my namespace. I urge you, and all others named, to do so as well. -AKMask 19:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I wroe him from a gmail address. While he didnt respond to me, he definatly updated with the information i gave him from it, so he does read it. -AKMask 20:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought he would list me because I hosted Callum Derbyshire hoax (I even got a message from Jimbo because of that!), but I'm still out. I doubt he'll be able to reach me there in Russia :)  Grue  22:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Iz! I am not sure about the allegations posted by the owner of that website. Simple, I never stated what the website is preaching. I've never said that and thanks to the bits running through the wires, I am innocent. I don't have a lawyer and never thought of having one! Cheers -- Svest 01:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)  

Re: Blacklisting

I was already aware of that, actually, but I thank you for the advisory anyway. Personally, I'm less "worried" and more "amused", especially since that personal information was available to anybody on Misplaced Pages already, if they looked! Lord Bob 22:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow cool! You must be doing something right! ;). Don't worry, if he sues you, I'll take your case.Gator (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for voting for me at my RFA, which closed with a 24/1/1 outcome. I will do my best in the position I now am in. Thanks again, and see you around Misplaced Pages!

--Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

RFA

Thank you for supporting my recent bid for adminship, which passed 64-2. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 07:20, Dec. 17, 2005

I don't understand...

Hi... I am still kind of new around here and have million questions.. I saw your userpage and it says on it, that it has been vandalized 22 times.. And it just made me curious.. All pages on Misplaced Pages, ANYONE can edit, right? So, how do we protect pages (any pages) from vandalism? Oh, and also, how do you catch pages that are vandalized? For example, someone writes on a page about theater in New York City, in between the lines, 'Lana is a monkey', how do you know that someone even did it? Cuz I assume, you don't spend every waking minute checking pages on Wiki for such things... Or do you? :)

Just curious.. :)

thanks,

Lana

Svetlana Miljkovic 10:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes; I already new about that (although not about the actual site); but thank you very much anyway. :) Here from you soon. HolyRomanEmperor 12:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

jguk

Well, he was apparently in some trouble a while back with arbcom about mass changing BC/AD to BCE/CE or something of that nature. Apparently he's found something new to fight about. His personal opinions are irrelevant, since this website meets all of the usual requirements for citation. He hasn't even produced any specific problems with the website, just ad hominem attacks on its authors. Firebug 12:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Religioustolerance.org

As noted on Misplaced Pages:Verifiability/Religioustolerance.org, the religioustolerance.org website is really no more or no better a resource than my mates' blogs. We really shouldn't be using it to justify anything in the encyclopaedia. The new Misplaced Pages:Verifiability/Religioustolerance.org page allows a centralised place for any discussions about this, and is important on that. I don't consider it unreasonable to include a reference to a centralised discussion on the issue rather than talk the issue to three dozen different talk pages. Indeed, I think it's better this way.

It is imperative if this encyclopaedia is to improve that we require information to be sourced, and to require those sources to be reputable and reliable, jguk 12:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Please stop edit-warring

Please stop edit-warring. If you have concerns about my edits, please discuss them on Misplaced Pages talk:Verifiability/Religioustolerance.org. Just reverting ends up wasting time, disrupts the encyclopaedia, and resolves nothing. Discussion is far more likely to be fruitful, jguk 13:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Brandt's black list

I have tried asking Brandt to remove people's real names off his page. I see no problem with him listing people's user names, but real names I think is unnecessary. While he is breaking no laws in doing it, and has a right to have the names, it serves no useful purpose for them to be listed publicly like that. He should just say "name known" and leave it at that. This is commonly accepted internet practise. Also, he is being accused of being hypocritical because he is a privacy activist yet some people deem that what he did there is almost as bad as what he is trying to stop (indeed, some people pervert it and suggest that he is the privacy invader!). I just think its bad for business for him to do it.

As for wanting to be listed, well no, you shouldn't want it. That reminds me of those morons down at LJ Drama, who wanted to be banned from LiveJournal, wanted to be sued, wanted to be called a troll, and so forth. People with that kind of mentality are not just Misplaced Pages:vandals, they are trolls, and worse. It's really not a good thing. If you think that he is saying something untruthful, then tell him. If you think that he is misinterpreting you, then put up your own page in response. That's the best way to deal with it.

As for supporting the 2 criminals who attacked Brandt, no no that's very bad idea. Go and have a look at this one about the guy who ran the Denial of Service attacks. And as for the other hoaxer, who for some bizarre reason Brandt hasn't listed on his page, oh no, if I were you I would distance myself a long way from people like that. These people are criminals. I guess that they are lucky that Brandt is more interested in his little campaigns than going after people who attacked him, but sheesh. Some people just aren't bright, I think.

I for one disagree with him about Google. No, I don't think that Google is run by the CIA and NSA, and no I don't think that they are making money at the expense of people's privacy. No I don't think that we should be avoiding Google just because it isn't 100% private. But I support his position because he is telling the truth and for people who are utterly paranoid about privacy, they might find it useful.

I also disagree with him about Misplaced Pages. No I don't think that Misplaced Pages is a slave to Google. I don't think that they've even spoken. I don't think that Misplaced Pages is secretly making money from advertising either. Nor do I think that the reason why he was banned was because Misplaced Pages was worried about him stopping their relationship with Google. Whilst its possible that some people hated him for being anti-Google, its more likely that they just thought that Google was a good way to verify articles. And I think that for the most part, the reason why he was targetted on Misplaced Pages was because he is an activist and a conspiracy theorist who are generally unpopular and the butt of many jokes. That's why I think that he got abused so much.

But I do think that he got treated unfairly though, make no mistake of that. I don't think that there is any justification for the way that he has been treated here. Call him a crackpot if you like. You might be right. But there's no reason to treat him like that. And he shouldn't have been banned.

The guy is a nice person. He isn't doing it for money. He is out there to help everyone. That includes you. He is doing it to help every single person in the world. He is doing it because we are being lied to by our governments (fact), because most of the world's media is controlled by a handful of people (fact - see Rupert Murdoch if you doubt it), who in turn control the world's government. Because history is being rewritten, and because none of us know what is really going on, which can lead to horrific horrors with no way out. He is fighting for justice. He is fighting to help you and protect you. And each and every person on the planet.

He is not asking people to go looking for aliens or to believe stupid whacky things. Sure, he believes whacky things, but his fundamental principal is to help people. If you would just give him time, talk to him, and be reasonable with him, he would be reasonable back to you.

Think of why he is doing it. He is not insane. Think of what his motivations are. Put yourself in his shoes. And treat him like you would like him to treat you. If everyone did that, then there wouldn't even be a black list. He'd still have Misplaced Pages Watch though, but he certainly wouldn't be listing people on there. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

When did he lay down the law? I'm sorry. I must have missed something. I'd never heard of him trying to make Misplaced Pages bend to his will. What did he do? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh and User:Daniel Brandt is not banned. He was banned, but not anymore. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Some of the people on Brandt's black list are criminals. There are 2 who have, in my opinion, committed illegal actions so as to attack Brandt. One of these is an admin. The other one claims to be a lawyer. Most of the others, however, have just said bad things about him, and individually probably did nothing wrong. But combined, they did. I think that that is the point of what he is saying. He could of course go through and get rid of people who weren't really all that bad. But then again, what he is quoting is fact. People are going to read the quotes and judge for themselves. If I made a black list and wrote up there a quote to say "Izehar wrote on my talk page to say that Brandt was a troll" then there's nothing illegal about that. You did. And if you were to make a black list and wrote up there a quote to say "Zordrac wrote on my talk page without permission to start harassing me about why I should be nice to Brandt" then its true. Well, I might say its not harassment, but hey. Of course, I'd be wary of doing something like that. It leads to all sorts of problems and usually isn't worth it. Try doing that against big time baddies like LJ Drama and you'll see the futility in it. But hey that's his decision. I just think that he should be limited it to their screen names. I also think that he should link to where they said it as well. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Rajneesh

Hi, just noticed that you reverted jguk's edit with the rollback button. I feel that it is inappropriate as it equates him with a vandal, which, we both are sure, he is not. While I understand and appreciate your viewpoint on the issues in the article, using the rollback button shows poor judgement, imo. --Gurubrahma 13:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

hmm, did not know about the mass of edits he has done. It's definitely a cause for concern. Yet, please consider not using the rollback button. --Gurubrahma 14:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

While we can argue till cows come home, the good thing is that he has started using talkpages. The reason why I was making the suggestion about not using rollback button was that in edit wars, these actions would be viewed by the other side in a grotesquely magnified manner. btw, I seem to be buying into your logic and veering round to your viewpoint about his committing the same action the second time around, despite being advised to the contrary. Anyways, hope that the issue is resolved asap. --Gurubrahma 14:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Hive Mind

Thanks, I was aiming for it with that statement; I even gave a personal detail as an extra bonus in that edit . Then I made some suggestions to Brandt for the list; he tweaked the ellipses. - RoyBoy 15:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Greek Macedonia

It is OFFENSIVE to Greeks to refer to the Slavic minority as simply "Macedonians". Misplaced Pages should not have a part in this, especially since this is an article about a region in the Modern Greek state.

These users are continually defacing that article by changing "Slavic Macedonians" back to just "Macedonians".

Again, this is an article about GREECE, and NOT FYROM...the Greek POV should, therefore, take precedence.

EDIT: "Slavic Macedonians" is not even the Greek POV, but an NPOV. A Greek POV would completely remove any reference to "Macedonian" from the subject ethnicity's name.

Thank you!--PrudenceBumpkin 16:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

External links

Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Izehar (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

As I said before to None-of-the-Above: Why would a related external link be spam? I just placed some links to the About Gay Movies site on pages that were about film and gay. In my opinion this is not spam. Please don't delete my work. Lordmarchmain - post left at 16:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

As I pointed out above, if you're advertising those movies, then that link is not allowed. Also, I advise you to read our policy on external links. Thanks. Izehar (talk) 16:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

The About Gay Movies site is not the owner of the movies. It is a information based site for anyone who wants to know about movies with a gay theme. The site itself is not selling dvd's or vhs tapes. Just information. I have just read the policy on external links. The external links are not placed by a spambot but by me personally. My appologies for any inconvenience but I just want to point out to the visitors of those Misplaced Pages pages where to find more related information and pictures. Lordmarchmain - post left at 16:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Look, as I'm no expert on the issue. I suggest you propose to add the link on the talk page - if no one opposes, then feel free to add it. Izehar (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will do just that. Lordmarchmain - post left at 17:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

User:PrudenceBumpkin

As you've noticed, PrudenceBumpkin want's to spread POV. That's not according to Misplaced Pages policy. I demand measures to be taken. Plus, he denies what a historian has said. I believe in NPOV of the Misplaced Pages articles, that's why I think this will be cleared up. Regards, Bomac 16:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I know that I shouldn't "bite" the newcomers, but this one has gone too far stating that Macedonia (Greece) should be full of Greek POV. OK, I'll accept your advice for now and we will see what'll be. Regards, Bomac 17:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I "denied" what a historian said? No.

Simovski, as a Yugoslavian, would obviously refer to the subject ethnic group as "Macedonian" since that was their official name in Yugoslavia a that time (the 1970's).

I'm not trying to spread POV, quite the opposite actually, because my POV (and the Greek POV) is that this ethnicity should not be referred to at ALL with the name "Macedonian". By referring to this ethnicity as "Macedonian" you are necessarily trying to spread the FYROM POV. Maybe you should have "measures" taken against yourself...

I was simply trying to provide an NPOV, by adding a qualifier, "Slavic", to the "Macedonian" you so insist on calling the subject ethnicity.--PrudenceBumpkin 00:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Black List

Thanks for the notice. I saw that a while back...seems a little immature not to mention needlessly antagonistic. I'm actually on that site twice. I was involved early on but have taken a step back. I'm a little concerned about events of the last couple days but it'll work out sooner or later! Thanks again. Rx StrangeLove 19:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Absecon 59

OK, I'm the user "86.204.122.240" to whom you posted the response on "potentially controversial edits" on the "American Civil War" page. Look, I understand where you're coming from concerning my edit, but the fact remains that everything that I posted in that edit remains factually accurate and encyclopedic. The American Civil War is obviously something that many people are going to get ticked off about (I was born and raised in Mississippi myself, so I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at). But thanks for your concern. I'll take my chances with the web public. unsigned by Absecon 59 (talk · contribs) - post left at 19:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Adminship

Hi Iz! Thanks again for the note. You've been the first wikipedian to award me a barnstar a few weeks ago and now, thinking about my nomination for admin! I appreciate that.

Actually, I am feeling better with less responsability. Paradoxally, I also feel that I'd be able to offer more to this place and practice responsability though we all are volunteers. I have a certain will to organize the mess at Misplaced Pages:Portal. There are many things that has to be done there; starting by setting up proper policies for the portals. Maybe many attention is needed for that block of the encyclopedia and a few admins are needed to take care of that, especially with the growing number of the portals. We also need to engage in a real and objective debate regading a revision for a few fundamental policies (like fighting vandalism, damages caused by anons, cases like that of Daniel Brandt, et cetera). Apart from that, I'd not be interested in becoming an admin just to act as a policeman.

I participate sometimes in translations (Spanish, French and Arabic) and believe I can also help better in this area. However, this can be done better while not being an admin.

I mean I don't know but why not try it?! Let's see what would happen and I am sure the important thing to learn from that is the feedback one would get through the vote session. Cheers -- Svest 19:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)  

Welcome to the black list

Thanks for the heads up, but I think he's got most of my personal information already, it's not like he could do an awful lot with it anyway. Other than trying to satisfy his humongous crave for attention, that is.

Obli 20:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Black List posting

Thanks for posting the info, though Canderson7 had already notified me. I will swear that the info there is completely incorrect, if you are curious. Superm401 | Talk 21:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

One question, one word

Adminship: yes, or no! I'd put up an RfA for you! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for allowing me to do so (I hope I did it right):

εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, you have to answer those questions before I add it to the main RfA space (I think) I didn't peruse those instructions. : ) εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Done, I don't know what I am doing : ), I am trying, though! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Signed, εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Good, looks like you all set : ). εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, if I didn't think you had a chance, I would have never nominated you! You'll do fine. You'll probably have two oppose votes, and probably 50 or 60 in support! (That is how most of them are)! I am very optimistic now! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Cheers!

EU

Hello Izehar! I would like to ask you if you know something related to eventually future association of Israel to EU. EU has began special relations with several states including some states from the region. I don't know too much about it that's why I ask you. Please feel free to help me to expand the article Accession of Romania to the European Union. Peace. Shalom. Bonaparte talk 11:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I am losing faith in the Demographic history of Kosovo. Emir Arven might've seemed a little "extremist" with that near-personal attack on you; but he has a hatred towards me; and he thinks that you are talking my side (judge me more than him for allowing such an opinion to be earned). You shouldn't take our potentially Serbian nationalist side if you want to remain neutral, my friend. Shallom (I always want to learn new words :) HolyRomanEmperor 12:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you :) If you have free time, I could use anorther archiving (I tried myself, but the connection is too slow) I trust that you will heed my advice for the Demographic history of Kosovo. HolyRomanEmperor 17:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

no problem

no problem :) just well, I myself would've kept the most recent comment on the page so the user has a chance to see it ;)

Are you interested in {{User world}} by any chance? :) *pimps world citizenship* --Mistress Selina Kyle 18:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

friend(?)

Lol ok :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 18:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks :) HolyRomanEmperor 18:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Brandt's true colours

I have changed my vote on your RFA from oppose to support. I am very sorry for thinking that you were doing anything wrong in attacking him. Just today, the mongrel stabbed me in the back. I had not done a single thing against him. I had been so vehemently supporting him and trying to get everyone to make peace with him. I had worked my butt off and taken a lot of heat from people (its hard not to use swear words here) and it was hard to do. And you know what, we got somewhere too. We had Linuxbeak/Slim Virgin apologise, we had his article get to a level of neutrality, and we had people seeing my point, and even Jimbo Wales writing to approve of what I was doing. But then the mongrel wrote to accuse me of "prematurely ejaculating", of getting all my facts wrong and ruining everything for him.

You know, yes, sure, I am not him, so I got a few little things wrong. But no, he didn't think to send me a freaking e-mail to tell me that oh no, Google Watch Watch came first, then he wrote a reply. Nothing like that. Instead he writes up to call me a liar and say how I have ruined his reputation.

And you know, all along I had been writing to people that they should see that he is someone who, while he probably makes mistakes, is out there to help people. I mean that's one of my big beliefs - "intentions are everything" is what I practically live by. I don't care if someone makes mistakes, indeed no matter how bad those mistakes are. Just as long as they were trying to do the right thing. But you know, I was wrong. There is no possible way that he could think like that if he thought that I was doing the wrong thing in any way.

He has shown his true colours. In his paranoid ridiculous way, I suppose he thought that I was a freaking CIA agent or something, befriending him and helping him out so that I could infiltrate his little scheme. I guess that's his logic. Who the hell knows.

And now he's threatening to out me, because I confided in him and told him personal stuff about me. So you know what Daniel, do it. People have done this stuff before. And people around here know how much I stood up for him, and know how ridiculous it is for him to do it.

I am not even going to edit his freaking page anymore. It can be destroyed by lies for all I care. It can be full of that guy accusing him of being gay or a hypocrite or whatever the hell he was trying to do, and it can call him a hypocrite for all I care. Someone who would turn on the person who was helping them more than anyone else - in the middle of their greatest act of charity - deserves no sympathy at all.

Maybe he thought that by turning on me, it'd help him to become popular here. Maybe that was his plan. I don't know. Maybe he thought "Oh everyone hates Zordrac, so if I turn on him, then everyone will love me". Stuffed if I know.

I still stand by everything I said, but I would like to add that he is a back stabbing so and so with no honour or common decency. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 20:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't think he's doing it for attention. I think he's a bit paranoid. As for him turning on me, I've got 2 possibilities, and I'm not sure which:

• He thinks I am a CIA agent here to disrupt his network by infiltrating it by doing really nice things and then becoming his friend, whilst at the same time secretly turning everyone against him.
• He thinks that because everyone hates me, that by betraying me he will get everyone on his side, and then everything works out well for him.

I don't think he's an attention seeker at all. I think that he is paranoid, and doesn't know who his friends are, and can't read people to see what their intentions are. Oh well. I suppose I'll find some way to understand him later. I always end up forgiving people eventually. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 21:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh boo hoo. Brandt turned on you, after you worked so hard to be such a good stool pigeon for him. Whatever could have come between two such fast friends? Hmmm, gee, maybe I should send him an e-mail to make sure he knows that you called him "a back stabbing so and so with no honour or common decency" -- what do you think? Oooh, I've got an even better idea, why don't I write up my own interpretation of what you called him, and send that to him, stressing how "defamatory of nature" it is? and then you wonder why "everyone hates Zordrac", sheesh. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this lovely person is harassing me. Ta. I am going to bed soon. If he vandalises my page again or makes any more threats, then I'll just revert them. Bye now. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 22:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Are you pretending that your doing this to me doesn't constitute "harassment"? -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Egad. Its people like you that make people run from Misplaced Pages.

1) I wrote to you to try to reach a peaceful solution.

2) I wrote, AT YOUR REQUEST to Daniel Brandt to ask him to fix an incorrect assumption he had made about you. He did it.

Is that harassment? Uh, uh, lets see now. You going on to OTHER PEOPLE'S TALK PAGES to harass me and lie about me and misrepresent me IS harassment. So stop it. I never wrote on your page to harass you. I wrote to try to help you out. You DID write to me - 4 times no less - to harass me. SO STOP IT! Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 14:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

"I wrote, AT YOUR REQUEST to Daniel Brandt to ask him to fix an incorrect assumption he had made about you." A complete and total lie, Zordrac. You didn't write to try to help me out; you wrote to try and get Brandt to target me for retaliation; your gloating about how you advising Brandt that my words (actually, YOUR OWN private jumped-to conclusion, NOT my words) were "defamatory of nature" puts THAT little lie to rest. After lying on Talk:Daniel Brandt, claiming I was trying to "out" you, after lying to Brandt, telling him that YOUR fucked-up oversimplified pigshit was what I meant, after lying here, pretending that I "requested" you to write to Brandt and put your words in my mouth, you have some chutzpah to complain that you're being misrepresented. Me, "request" you to go run and share your ham-handedly over-simplified little fantasies with Brandt? The only thing I'd "request" you to do is to take a long walk off a short pier. You want to "run from Misplaced Pages" because people somehow don't take kindly to you telling absolute bullshit lies about them? Oh, please, don't let us stop you! -- Antaeus Feldspar 04:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew

I don't have multilingual support, so whenever I write Hebrew on Misplaced Pages I always just copy & paste from Hebrew alphabet. I never try nikkud - it fails anyway. JFW | T@lk 20:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

It looks fine now. JFW | T@lk 22:39, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about that. I tryed to sign it but anytime i signed it, i would somehow ruin the coding and it would just be a jumble of letters. So i just set it back to what you had. :)

--Activision45 22:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, i was just on RC patrol also. I also get that 'cant proccess request' thing. :)

--Activision45 22:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

slandering

If you insist on slandering against other people and making false accusations against other peoeple, I insist that you stop and apoligize to everyone Mesons 00:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Talkpage length

On my browser, IE, your talkpage ends in the middle of the page, then if I scroll down much further, I get a small, blurred picture of a sunflower at the bottom, and it comes after the WP logos, so you didn't put it there. Why?--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 07:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Yep, that's much better.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 08:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Ianbrown's RfA

Ian ≡ talk 07:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not vandalize anything you dick

I have never removed an article, only edited it to better standards of scholarship and writing.

If you dont like my style, do what everyone else does and edit the fucking thing

Vandalism message/template?

I just saw the warning you gave 195.93.21.101 for vandalizing Charles Darwin. I like the tone of it, as it's not completely negative and points them to Misplaced Pages policies. Is the warning message among the Test templates? If so, which one? If not, might be worth adding. And, thanks for quickly reverting the vandalism. --Kmf164 16:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if your warning was for Charles Darwin or something else, but regardless the user has been vandalizing that article and liked the warning message you used. --Kmf164 16:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I mainly use {{test}}, {{test1}}, ..., but I'll remember this one too. --Kmf164 16:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

My friend! I have been nominated here fore adminship Would you care to vote? HolyRomanEmperor 16:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Radhanite

There is a vote seeking FAC for this neglected topic in Jewish history. I hope you will weigh in. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, thanks; that'll be useful. HolyRomanEmperor 17:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

lol, you really think I care much about political correctness? ;) hehe.. nah I will actually add it on w/e hehe. --Mistress Selina Kyle 18:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Oy vey

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Oy vey --Mistress Selina Kyle 19:18, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

malo's RfA

I responded.

Adminship EdwinHJ

In the light of the opposition expressed to Edwin's 3rd attempt, you may wish to review your position.Phase1 21:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Mon beau RfA

Sadly, a burglar stole all of my shiny colored boxes and pictures that I use for RfA thanks. Nevertheless... Thanks for supporting my RfA. The final tally was a smashing 22/4/1. Deltabeignet 23:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Hey Izehar! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was an unanimous (45/0/0), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, or have a question, please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your support of my Rfa, Izehar. I am happy to announce that I have successfully been voted an administrator, and wish to say that I will work harder to make Misplaced Pages a more reliable source of information. I apologize if this seems impersonal but it is past my bedtime. Croat Canuck 06:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

How long should an article be semi-protected?

I've raised this question here, as now it's actually real and happening I expect more people will want to comment. Dan100 (Talk) 15:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

IRC

Regarding IRC, Sorry that I didn't read much on it, I just logged on to IRC and left it idling pretty much. I was very busy writing an essay yesterday so I didn't really have much time last night. --Ichiro 15:17, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

The discussion on your RFA

Can you please move the discussion back from the talk page, so that my vote about your conduct on that page doesn't look like it's a propos of nothing? Thanks. Zocky 15:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Dear Izehar, can you look at the http://en.wikipedia.org/Treaty_of_Trianon ? it seems that this page contradics with the consensus on the talk page. Can you make the revert and unblock? -- Bonaparte talk 16:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, we'll wait until you'll be admin. -- Bonaparte talk 18:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

However this may not be considered favour. It will be considered as "consensus reached on the talk page" as demonstrated on talk page. I just want to ask you to read also the talk page once again. -- Bonaparte talk 18:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Bias edits of Mikka

Admin mikka makes some bias edits. I would like to ask you if you could help me to set out the best approach to deal with such an admin. -- Bonaparte talk 18:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk_talk:Mikkalai you'll be admin, you have to know how to deal with such situations. -- Bonaparte talk 18:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Test Warning

Sections of the article were deleted accidentally by my computer (technical difficulties) which is the same that occured when I edited a different article for which I was wrongfully accused vandalism (I mentioned this on the administrator's noticeboard). --24.253.120.206

Tell me something: are you a newbie? Clearly you're not aware that the Brandt article has been constantly improved (or as fascist Wikipedians would put it, vandalising) by myself with different IP addresses.