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| ⚫ | :*''also there are now two of them (both of which will be covered by this AfD): ] and ], both seperate articles with cloned content''--] 02:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''<font size=4 color=blue>WIKIPEDIANS before you vote, please see a description of what has happened today to lead us to this point.'''<font size=4 color=blue>] is misleading and deceptive. He has deleted my contributions to this article, and then accuses me of hiding information. Please click on the link for a full explanation. ] 04:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *<font size=4 color=blue>Five questions for ] | |||
| ::*<font size=4 color=blue>Considering that ] joined wikipedia today , I would be interested to know how he/she found this article and mastered the AfD process? | |||
| ::*<font size=4 color=blue>What user name did ] use to learn how to master the AfD process? And is he using this user name to vote on this page's deletion? | |||
| ::*<font size=4 color=blue>Why did ] delete my notice on the deletion page that the article name had moved? | |||
| ::*<font size=4 color=blue>Why did ], instead of accusing me of hiding the page after he deleted this notice, why didn't he simply move the page himself? | |||
| ::*<font size=4 color=blue>Why does ] keep reformating my statements on the deletion page when I asked him to stop?<font> ] 06:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| :*Clearly planned to remove the redirect after the clone was deleted--] 02:50, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Look at my edits: I added to this page ''Please note, I just changed the name of this article to ]'' which you deleted You are making it sound like I am hiding something which is a '''blatant lie'''. I never hid anything. I just started to build an article, and then you started to attack it. First with the POV tag, then with the deletion tag. | |||
| :::You moved the article a half a dozen times, then decided to take the origional and blank/redirect, so the wrong article would be subject to deletion--] 03:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I renamed an article, which is less than two hours old and I added a notice of the name change here which '''you''' deleted. I could not get the article name correct, and every wrong name that I added, I added a link to the newest page. I am in the middle of making a new article, minding my own business, and you never give me a chance to finish it, before you slap on a POV tag, and then, when I ask for comments why on your talk page, you respond by slapping on a deletion tag. I absolutly never tried to hide this article. That is a blatant lie, and I deserve an apology. How hard could it be to find an article, do you really think that I would try so clumsly to hide an article from someone so determined to destroy the article? Please tell me, '''why did you delete the notice of the name change on this page, except to make me look like I was hiding something?''' You then report me to the ], then reverse your report, and state ""user is showing some restraint and is now cooperating with the AfD process" Where is your restraint? ] 03:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *] just shows that it is much easier to destroy something than create it. I came up with the idea for this article when reading about the parallels between the Vietnam and the Iraq war. Most Americans don't know anything about the ]. In all three wars, American presidents have promised troop reductions as campaign promises, this is a historical fact, not POV. It may not fit ]'s pet POV, but it is still historical fact. | |||
| ::I am still working on the new wikisite--it is clearly '''just a start''', and I realize that it could be much better. If Petral would take the time to help building the article instead of tearing it down, I could spend more time making the article better, instead of wasting my time answering his attacks. I am open to real suggestions on the article, including a different name, putting the parallels in an existing article, etc. Again, ] attack just shows that it is much easier to destroy something than create it. ] please stop wasting my time and help build wikipedia.] 01:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::*'''comment''' I'm not tearing anything down, just giving other people the opportunity to decide for themselves whether ''they'' think it's a reasonable topic--] 01:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::*'''notice''' That I have not voted in this AfD, nor have I changed any of the content in your article--] 01:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::This is like saying "I provided the gun and bullets but I didn't actually pull the trigger." What a weak justification for your peity actions. I WELCOME your edits to this new wikisubject. I have read a lot of historical articles, and this subject has the '''potential''' of being a really solid history paper for a history journal. This subject delves into issues of how American politicans win elections during war time, and the sometimes dubious promises they make to get elected. I am combing historical journals now for mention of Nixon's "secret plan". Please, I welcome your historical contributions to this wikiarticle--'''real criticism''', not heavy handed attacks that waste my time.] 01:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Constant renaming of the article to try and 'shake' the link to the AfD isn't helping your cause very much--] 02:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You assume to much, and also ignore my comments. I just created this article, you annoying pest, as mentioned above, I wanted to rename it. Leave me alone and go waste someone elses time.] 02:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| <font size=4 color=blue>''Additonal point, since the origional author decided to clone his article, '''keep''' voters should probably specify which of the two clones they want to keep, as obviously one of the duplicates would be removed either way''--] 03:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | <font size=4 color=blue>''Additonal point, since the origional author decided to clone his article, '''keep''' voters should probably specify which of the two clones they want to keep, as obviously one of the duplicates would be removed either way''--] 03:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | ||
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| ::PLEASE ] for the LOVE OF GOD, redirect the AfD to the new name, instead of accusing me of blatant lies. Ever heard the saying: "If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes true". From now on, every time you bring up the name changes of the article (and convinently dont mention the redirect and the mention of this redirect that you deleted) I will simply have users go to my talk page, and decided for themselves. MOVE THE ARTICLE ], since I dont know how.] 04:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::*You managed to succesfully move the article 5 or 6 times, then suddenly, doubled back, and 'forgot' how to do pagemoves, and added a redirect instead, leaving you with a nice expendable copy to get deleted in it's place--] 04:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| *'''Delete''', POV fork. -- ] (]) 05:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | *'''Delete''', POV fork. -- ] (]) 05:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Merge''' contents with ] ] 05:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | *'''Merge''' contents with ] ] 05:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' strong POV potential, hard to properly cite with accuracy, inherently a trouble page.--] 06:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 06:12, 23 December 2005
Promises of troop withdraw by American presidents throughout history
- Terrible POV fork of US Presidents, nothing more than an attack add really--Petral 01:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- also there are now two of them (both of which will be covered by this AfD): Promises.... and Campaign...., both seperate articles with cloned content--Petral 02:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Additonal point, since the origional author decided to clone his article, keep voters should probably specify which of the two clones they want to keep, as obviously one of the duplicates would be removed either way--Petral 03:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as blatant POV fork. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, listcruft of bits of information taken out of context, /very/ prone to edit wars and POV. Pavel Vozenilek 02:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- I don't need to be a weatherman to see where the wind is blowing. I will delete the article myself. Travb 02:19, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- comment something isn't adding up here, at some point you moved the article somewhere else and cloned it's content, back into the origional article space, now I can't find where you moved the origional to--Petral 02:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- found it hiding in plain site, you faked the redirect--Petral 02:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- you are accusing me of something I am not doing--you make a lot of accusations, and add nothing to this article Petral. After You said yourself that "user is showing some restraint and is now cooperating with the AfD process". I added a link originally to the new name. I just created this article.Travb 02:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Petral, you cannot put an article on Afd then decide to skip the process and delete it yourself. In fact, unless you are a sockpuppet, you cannot delete it at all. Wait for the Afd process to complete. This is contentious behaviour on your part. Why not go have a nice cup of tea and allow the Afd to complete normally? KillerChihuahua 03:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)- um, what? mistaken identity?--Petral 03:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Trying to read too many posts too close together, my apologies. I saw the "I will delete the article myself." by Travb, above, followed by your comment. For some reason I registered you (Petral) as the one who said that. Let me try this again:
- Travb, You cannot create an article which is placed on Afd then decide to skip the process and delete it yourself. In fact, unless you are a sockpuppet, you cannot delete it at all. Wait for the Afd process to complete. This is contentious behaviour on your part. Why not go have a nice cup of tea and allow the Afd to complete normally?
- Again, apologies for the mistaken identity. KillerChihuahua 04:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Adding note: As Travb did create the article, there is a speedy cat for that if that is what Travb desires. KillerChihuahua 04:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Have you ever been involved in something that you really enjoy, a book, a movie, a warm bath. etc. And some rude idiot comes along and ruins it. I was smack dab in the middle of creating this article, minding my own business when Petral came along and ruined my "warm bath". I was going along, enjoying myself in a certain train of thought, and then all the sudden I get interupted, I get pulled out of the bath, thrown outside, and beat by some stranger. That may be historonics, but that is how I feel. I got to the point, I just wanted to throw up my hands and delete the damn article. I started a new article, and Petral and Petral's friends (maybe sockpuppers of Petral) all put that article up for deletion too.Travb 04:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- um, what? mistaken identity?--Petral 03:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete- POV fork. Reyk 02:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like the topic is worthy of inclusion. -- JJay 03:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: Considering that the nom joined wikipedia today , I would be interested to know how he/she found this article and mastered the AfD process? -- JJay 03:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete --HappyCamper 03:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep per JJay. KillerChihuahua 03:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, POV fork. User:Zoe| 04:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, article is not POV, and listing promises of troop withdrawl is factual. The article is worthy of inclusion.--Bkwillwm 05:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, POV fork. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Merge contents with Election_promise Endomion 05:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete strong POV potential, hard to properly cite with accuracy, inherently a trouble page.--MONGO 06:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC)