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| *'''Keep''' Not sure it needs a list of everything he has been in, but also don't think it should be up for deletion. Article needs improving, but should be on talk page not here ] (]) 11:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' Not sure it needs a list of everything he has been in, but also don't think it should be up for deletion. Article needs improving, but should be on talk page not here ] (]) 11:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
| **Is this a ] case yet?—] (]) 16:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | **Is this a ] case yet?—] (]) 16:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Strong Delete'''. No claim to meeting WP:PORNBIO, no indication the subject satisfies the GNG. The "references" go entirely to unreliable sources, sources which simply recite castlists or otherwise provide no |
*'''Strong Delete'''. No claim to meeting WP:PORNBIO, no indication the subject satisfies the GNG. The "references" go entirely to unreliable sources, sources which simply recite castlists or otherwise provide no significant information on the subject, or sources which mention the subject in passing without providing any encyclopedic information. ] (]) 17:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
| **You seem to have overlooked Dyer's book and Gibson's book. "entirely unreliable" seems an exaggeration even if you argue the case against the on-line databases. I note that the films themselves count as reliable published sources for cast lists, awards won, etc; not to mention the Panorama documentary which is produced by the BBC.—] (]) 17:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | **You seem to have overlooked Dyer's book and Gibson's book. "entirely unreliable" seems an exaggeration even if you argue the case against the on-line databases. I note that the films themselves count as reliable published sources for cast lists, awards won, etc; not to mention the Panorama documentary which is produced by the BBC.—] (]) 17:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
| ***You seem to be misreading my comment; I comment on three types of sources: entirely unreliable ones (like Wikiporno and iafd, which is self-published and therefore not acceptable as a BLP source); sources which recite castlists and summarize scenes without any other content regardng the actual performers, and sources which mention the subjects in passing, like the books you mention. None of these sources establish notability, by strong consensus. ] (]) 18:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Unremarkable porn actor. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO. Declined speedy. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - He is not unremarkable at all. He was one of the most famous porn actors of the late 1980s and early 1990s and appeared with other notable porn stars such as Jeff Stryker, Joey Stefano, and Lou Cass in numerous films as outlined in the article. Keraunos (talk) 00:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- He was also one of the first gay porn stars to also appear in bisexual films. Keraunos (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Wow, two hours after the article was created? Is that a record? -- Banjeboi 02:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - suggest early close for the reasons discussed on the article talk page; raising a hasty PROD within the first hour of creation and then immediately raising this equally hasty AfD without discussion on the active article talk page about the available reliable sources and the likely prospect of addressing notability (using WP:PORNBIO) is overly confrontational and a clear failure to meet the guidance of WP:BEFORE.—Ash (talk) 04:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. -- Ash (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- Ash (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Not sure it needs a list of everything he has been in, but also don't think it should be up for deletion. Article needs improving, but should be on talk page not here DRosin (talk) 11:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Is this a SNOW case yet?—Ash (talk) 16:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Delete. No claim to meeting WP:PORNBIO, no indication the subject satisfies the GNG. The "references" go entirely to unreliable sources, sources which simply recite castlists or otherwise provide no significant information on the subject, or sources which mention the subject in passing without providing any encyclopedic information. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- You seem to have overlooked Dyer's book and Gibson's book. "entirely unreliable" seems an exaggeration even if you argue the case against the on-line databases. I note that the films themselves count as reliable published sources for cast lists, awards won, etc; not to mention the Panorama documentary which is produced by the BBC.—Ash (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- You seem to be misreading my comment; I comment on three types of sources: entirely unreliable ones (like Wikiporno and iafd, which is self-published and therefore not acceptable as a BLP source); sources which recite castlists and summarize scenes without any other content regardng the actual performers, and sources which mention the subjects in passing, like the books you mention. None of these sources establish notability, by strong consensus. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- You seem to have overlooked Dyer's book and Gibson's book. "entirely unreliable" seems an exaggeration even if you argue the case against the on-line databases. I note that the films themselves count as reliable published sources for cast lists, awards won, etc; not to mention the Panorama documentary which is produced by the BBC.—Ash (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)