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Janet Allision

Per you comments in the deletion review, I thought you might be interested in helping reworking the material into a more suitable form. As such, please see Misplaced Pages:Article Incubator/Janet Allison and the comments I've made on the talk page. Please feel free to contribute whatever you can. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 02:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Hi S Marshall. I wanted to stop by and thank you for helping verifing nominations at DYK. Editors willing to help is always welcomed :) Just wanted to give a little suggestion when approving hooks. Be sure to leave either a for a hook verified by a online reference or a for an offline or foriegn language referencr. This allows assist with promoting nominations. also editting from the nominations edit tab will allow other to see which hook has been approved in their watchlist. I have made an essay that may help present some of the bigger aspects of the project here Any question feel free to message me. and thanks again. Kindly Calmer Waters 23:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

• I usually do, but today I was being lazy.—S Marshall /_Cont 23:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a big deal. It happens :) Nice meeting you and have a good day Calmer Waters 00:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for Adamantius (journal)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Adamantius (journal). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Cirt (talk) 06:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to say thank you for being willing to reassess your views on (my) RfA, I appreciate the thought. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 03:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

RfA

OK, I'm ready to run the gauntlet. Fences&Windows 17:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

• Co-nom is done. Just need the victim nominee to accept :) Black Kite 19:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the kind summaries of my editing. Hold on tight, here we go. Fences&Windows 19:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
    • Ready as I'll ever be, I suppose. Fences&Windows 20:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Phew! Thanks for persisting in asking me to stand, I'm sure I'd have never got around to it on my own. It was almost as nerve-wracking as the job interview I had at the same time, I hate to think what it's like to go through all that scrutiny and not pass. I'm glad that I didn't have any forgotten and major past indiscretions to dredge up. Fences&Windows 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• I'll have to agree with you that failing one's RFA is not a pleasant experience.—S Marshall /_Cont 11:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Ah, I didn't know you'd not quite been given the mop. Looks like you had some bad luck at your RfA, I'd be willing to bet that a second run would go better, especially as you're 5 months older and wiser. Fences&Windows 17:44, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    • If he did, I'd definitely vote support. Joe Chill (talk) 17:47, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
      • Oh, I shouldn't think a second run would go much better at all.  :) You pass an RFA on Misplaced Pages by not having any controversial opinions, not disagreeing with people and not noticing when the emperor is naked.—S Marshall /_Cont 19:49, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
        • That's a tad dismissive! Some of us prefer our admins less anodyne, (I'd rather disagree with one than be bored into submission by them!) and have no problem with people observing that the Emperor is "tackle-out".   pablo_hablo. 22:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Article creator?

Hi S., I've run across your work before. I don't think you are likely to create anything outrageous. So... would you like to have article creator status? I'll be glad to grant it if so.

By the way, I was not familiar with that Allison case, even though it is geographically close to me. That is insane. LadyofShalott 20:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• Sure, that's a helpful offer. Thank you.—S Marshall /_Cont 20:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done You're welcome (and "autoreviewer" is the terminology I should have used). LadyofShalott 20:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, LoS.  :)—S Marshall /_Cont 20:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of E-learning/version 2

You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles. See the Article Wizard.

A tag has been placed on E-learning/version 2, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Hgfernan (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• I didn't create that page, mate.—S Marshall /_Cont 00:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

sorry, i suppose i was overzealous. :)

my intentions were good: since the article was visibly an orphan, i tried to contact people that cared about it. a speedy deletion is an extreme measure.

peace,

--Hgfernan (talk) 17:25, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Endorse Special school

I don't see why you endorsed it. I have provided enough reasons and still you endorsed it. Rovea (talk) 21:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• Because Black Kite was right. There was a consensus to keep, and as closer his role is to implement the consensus.—S Marshall /_Cont 22:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Matthew Watson's deletion

Dear S Marshall, could you check the comments on DGGs contribution to the deletion of Matthew Watson Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2009 November 21# Matthew Watson. I think he may have made substantial errors in his contribution to the deletion and these have been repeated. The current version is here if you would like to look at it User:Msrasnw/Matthew Watson Best wishes, (Msrasnw (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC))

• The version in your userspace is a bit short on stating the basic facts. We generally expect biographies to state date of birth and nationality in the first sentence.

  I don't think the deletion was wrong, but as DGG rightly says, there's nothing to prevent you from creating a fresh article in that space, provided it's substantially different (and, I would suggest in this case, less promotional).—S Marshall /_Cont 01:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

User:S Marshall/Battles of macrohistorical importance involving invasions of Europe

Userfied per your request in the AFD. You have the history on the page so be careful not to break the license if you use it anywhere. Spartaz 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you, Spartaz.—S Marshall /_Cont 22:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Tim D. Keanini and Andrew Storms

In the deletion review discussion you stated that you'd be willing to help the creator of these pages make them something that wouldn't be deleted. I've read through that persons talk page and everything else and it seems that they have been shut out of wikipedia entirely, so I was wondering if you would help me do it? Wckma (talk) 18:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Alison Rosen Undeletion

Hello and thank you for reinstating the Alison Rosen page. You asked me to wait for the deletion review to be finished. Will it be clear when that happens? I certainly don't want to annoy anyone by jumping the gun! I sure hope the admin can copy the deleted page to my workspace or simply reinstate it as a live page. Thanks so much. KarpayDM

(Untitled remark)

Regarding notability, I give some links below and please satisfy yourself that the deleted article was notable.

http://urbanfrugalchic.com/trademarks/

The above one is the trade mark notice which shows the legal standing and credibility of the content.

http://urbanfrugalchic.com/terms-of-use/— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijinfrugal (talk • contribs)

• I'm quite certain that every word you wrote was true, Vijinfrugal. I'm afraid that I'm not at all certain that it was notable.—S Marshall /_Cont 13:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --A Nobody 15:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Would you like to proofread?

Begging your pardon. I was told you'd like to proofread texts written by german-speakers. I contributed to Gymnasium (Germany), but english is my third language, so I fear there might be a lot of grammatical errors. I also struggled translating one sentence. So I'd be very happy if you could help me with that. would be nice if you answered me here and not on my IP's discussion page, because my IP chqanges all the time.--212.201.82.84 (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Sure. On it.—S Marshall /_Cont 01:09, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• It's a pretty good translation actually, needing only a few small tweaks. I'm already about halfway through the proofreading. I've paused because it's late here and I should sleep, but I'll get back to it later.—S Marshall /_Cont 01:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :). There is a few points I'd like to mention.

• 1. There are some sentences I struggled translating.

A newspaper had Mr. Harnischfeger, headmaster of a well-known German Gymnasium talk to Mr. Zillich a politician who thinks Gymnasien should have quotas.

Said Mr. Harnischfeger: "Sie wollen das Gymnasium gewissermaßen heimlich abschaffen, in dem sie es schwächen. Unsere Gesellschaft kann es sich nicht leisten, auf Spitzenleistung zu verzichten." I was unsure how to translate this. I wanted a translation as close to his true words as possible and he has a funny way of talking. My translation was He also said that "this kind of policy would weaken the Gymnasium" and that this would be dangerous because "German society could not afford to do without the excellence the Gymnasium produces", but that was not was good one, because actually he said not that this would weaken the Gymnasium, but that they wanted to abolish it by weakening it (which sounds funny to me) and I am also not sure about that Spitzenleistung, that would translate to excellence, but I think excellence cannot exists on it own... it must exist in a person, most likely the young person the Gymnasium produces. But if I would say this would that translation still correct? He does not mention that young person. I only think that he his him or her in mind.

Mr. Zillich answered: Unsere Gesellschaft kann es nicht leisten, nur auf so wenig Spitzenleistung zu kommen. I translated German society can not afford having only so few adults who were truly educated. Same problem again. He did not mention truly educated adults, but excellence. So I am not sure if that translation is right.

• 2. Students at a Gymnasium are required to attend religious education classes or ethics classes. That is aslo true for statefunded schools People, who know our constitution, but don't know our school system say "How can that be. The German constition states that there is a "Trennung von Staat und Kirche" (do not know how to translate it), but thaat still is okay with our cionstitution, because 1) you are required to attend these classes, but you are not required to attend say "catholic religious education classes" instead you can choose, if you want to attend catholic, protestant or jewish ones, or choose ethics. So you are required to attend one of those classes, but you can choose which one. and 2) you don't have to attend a Gymnasium. Comprehensives does not require you to attend those classes as far as I know
• 3. I wrote something about the Humanistisches Gymnasium and that it had is focus on the Classical antiquity and so on. While this is true of course it also teaches mathematics, physics, chemistry and so on. I am not sure if I should mention it. This would be very clear to a person from Germany, but may be a person from another country, who does not know our system, will be lead to think the Humanistisches Gymnasium will only deal with the antiquity. Same holds true for the "neusprachliches Gymnasium" wich of course does not only teach modern languages, but also mathematics, physics and so on.
• 4. We have a debate going on in our country if Gymnasien should be abolished in favour of comprenhensive schools. We already have comprenhensive schools alongside with Gymnasien, but some people think the latter should be abolished, because they are the breedingground for privilege. Others want to keep them. People usually have strong opinions about this and so do I. However I wanted to prensent both sides of it in a fair light. Do you think that I was successful in doing so?
• 5. Have all of the questions you might have about that school by answered by the article?

I hope that's not too many questions.--212.201.83.127 (talk) 14:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hiya

  Your translation of Mr Harnischfeger's remarks is about as good as you'll get in English. A more accurate translation would sound very strange (as indeed it does in German), and I think clarity is better than strict adherence to the wording. "Excellence" is an appropriate word and makes perfect sense in English.

  I would translate Mr Zillich's remarks into English idiom as: Our society cannot afford to have so few adults with a world-class education.

  "Trennung von Staat und Kirche" translates (simply enough) as "Separation between church and state". Most English or American readers would be very familiar with that phrase, and the US constitution includes the same provision. (There is no English constitution, and our head of state—Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II—is also the nominal head of the Church of England, so we see things rather differently, but many Englishmen agree with the Germans on this.)

  I would phrase what you are trying to express, in English, as: Classes in religion or ethics are compulsory in a Gymnasium, but the student may choose which specific religion, if any, is studied.

  On your third point, in the English system schools tend to specialise. So my son goes to a "Science college", where he learns every subject on the national curriculum; the phrase "Science college" means that the school is a centre of excellence for science, but it teaches other things as well. I think that the article would be clear to English-speaking readers as you have written it.

  On your fourth point, I do want to spend a bit more time looking at the article to see that it keeps to a strictly neutral point of view. I may tweak some phrases here and there.

  On your fifth point, I'm afraid I'm the wrong person to ask, because I already understood what a Gymnasium was before reading the article. I think it would be best to ask someone who is completely unfamiliar with the concept.

  I will work more on the article shortly, but may not get to it until tomorrow now.

  I want to thank you for this excellent contribution to Misplaced Pages. This is one of the more valuable and important things to appear in the encyclopaedia lately, and I am very pleased with it.—S Marshall /_Cont 17:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :). I did not do it alone, but there was a short article before and other Wikipedians as well as my girlfriend and my Mitbewohner have helped me with the words and the grammar. I learned so much about other cultures from the english Misplaced Pages and i realized that many people out there have wrong assumptions about our Gymnasium (like they think that it is the only way to college or that it is way expensive or that you have to do an IQ-test in order to be admitted) and so I thought someone should tell them what it is really like and I gave it a try...

but it is a little bit complicated, while Gymnasien are so very different. I hope that the article is okay nevertheless.

I did not know that you had "Science colleges". I used to think: "Other countries have comprenhensives. Period." and I think that is the way many Germans see it. It was only because of Misplaced Pages that I realized that there were prep schools in America and now you told me you english had those Science colleges. That's really interesting for me.

Anyway I really appreciate your proofreading and wanted you to thank you for it and hope it is not to much work. I remain respectfully yours By they way. Does one still say so? We learned it that way, but it sounds a little bit oldfashioned to german ears.--212.201.83.1 (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC) German Guy

Oh, and I forgot: Is there an english word for Wanderrudern http://de.wikipedia.org/Wanderrudern ?--212.201.83.1 (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Me again. Added other stuff (this is addicting), but I am finally done yet. I struggled translating a paragraph that read: Die Verteilung der Motivationsäußerungen auf Schulformen dürfte schichtspezifische Hintergründe haben, die durchaus erforschenswert wären, vor allem in ihrer Relevanz zum tatsächlichen sozialen Handeln. Warum wohl halten sich die Vertreter altruistischen Denkens im Gymnasium sowohl vom gemeinsamen Lernen mit Ausländerkindern wie von der Integration Behinderter weitgehend fern und ertragen es, daß jährlich über hunderttausend ihresgleichen sitzenbleiben oder auf andere Schulformen zwangsabgestuft werden? Warum nehmen sich fast ausschließlich Hauptschulen und Gesamtschulen der Ausländerkinder, der Behinderten und der SchülerInnen mit Lern- und Verhaltensproblemen an? http://www.ggg-nrw.de/Qual/RaA_BiJu.html.

I translated to It has also been suggested that the the answers the students gave might have been influenced by social class and that Gymnasium-students might have been brought up to prentend they were selfless, while really they were not. Proponents of comprehensive schools stated Gymnasium students were phony and elitist while pretending to be selfless. I am not sure if that is even near it. I used the word elitist, because the kind of behaviuor those attending a Gymnasium according to the author show might have been called "elitär" in Germany. "Elitär" is mostly a negativ word, suggesting that you think the group of people you belong to is better than other groups of people. I am not sure if elitist has the same meaning.--212.201.83.169 (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, it's me. The guy´, who used to be an IP. I just wanted to know if you are still interested in proofreading.--Greatgreenwhale (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Racial disappearance

Hi there. I see that you have made significant edits to this article; you may be interested to know that I have re-nominated it for deletion. Your comments are welcome at WP:Articles for deletion/Racial disappearance (2nd nomination). Robofish (talk) 14:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which failed with 21 support, 39 oppose, and 11 neutral. This is highly belated, but I wanted to thank you for the support in the RfA discussion. I do apologize for taking so long to reply to you, after the failure I laid back for a while. I just dove into another article and am working more diligently on WP.

Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 06:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Secret Maryo Chronicles (3 nomination)

Since you participated in the DRV for Secret Maryo Chronicles, you may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Secret Maryo Chronicles (3 nomination). Tim Song (talk) 07:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Notification: Proposed 'Motion to Close' at Misplaced Pages:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC re: a 'Motion to close', which would dissolve Cda as a proposal. The motion includes an !vote. You have previously commented at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Administrator. Jusdafax 00:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 15:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)