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Tony the Marine's User Boxes This user loves Puerto Rico. This user identifies as a Puerto Rican. This user is of Corsican ancestry. This user is of Spanish ancestry. This user is a United States Marine (Once a Marine always a Marine) This user has written or significantly contributed to 4 Featured articles on Misplaced Pages. This user has written or significantly contributed to 1 featured list on Misplaced Pages. This user has helped promote 19 good articles on Misplaced Pages. This user has been a major contributor to 52 articles featured in the Did you know... section on the Main Page. This user has 5 Featured Selected Biography/Articles in the United States Marine Corps portal This user is an administrator on the English Misplaced Pages. (verify) This user participates in WikiProject Caribbean. en This user is a native speaker of the English language. es Este usuario tiene el español como lengua materna. This user has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian and was awarded his own day. Search user languages

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Ponce Massacre

Ay, how ironic that even LMM recognized the importance of the photo: ""This photograph is remarkable in that the policemen are not shooting at the uniformed nationalists but at a terrorized crowd in full flight." It blows my mind we still discussing the deletion of this iconic image. --Jmundo (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Old Pr baseball game poster.gif

Tony, I have the utmost respect for you as you are one of the best contributors to this project, period. I do question the need for this image though. It really is not discussed in the article. You state in the keep rationale of the deletion discussion for this image that it is an event that is associated with the migration of Puerto Ricans to New York, yet this is not discussed in the article. I trust your knowledge, but the knowledge isn't expressed in the article. This leads me to lean towards delete, regardless of the questionable copyright status of the image. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Your removal of the Ponce Massacre picture from various articles

Tony, I have noticed you have removed the Ponce massacre photo from various articles, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=History_of_Puerto_Rico&curid=19283151&diff=331177020&oldid=330532588. Why is this happening? I don't mean to play dumb here, but exactly where did we get the notion that this was the thing to do? Never mind the fact that the image is tightly linked to the issue under discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Uninvolved_Admin_Requested:_User:Damiens.rf_multiple_JPG_deletions_and_related_matters, which in itself is enough cause for any reasonably-acting demanding editor to tolerate a temporary freeze of any potential removals until after the matter has been decided there. But what's going? If I had to guess (and much to my surprise, given that I've known you for some time now) it would seem to me that you are playing into the poor logic presented so far by the questioning editor Damiens. (please forgive my frankness I am not intent into offending here). Can you tell me if anyone has established that the image IS, in fact, still under copyright and that therefore it has to go. If there is no evidence the image is under copyright, it should stay in ALL the articles where its addition was judged beneficial by previous editors before. Whether it is directly relevant to the article or not so directly relevant, indispensable to the article or not so indispensable, useful to clarify a point or not absolutely labeled as that useful,,, if the image has not been determined to be copyrighted it should then be a moot issue, right?,,, such rationale should not be the basis for the removal. I point out that, unlike the Venegas image http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Venegas.JPG which was clearly labeled copyrighted from the start, and thius did not qualfy to stay in only marginally related articles, there is no such indication from anything or anyone yet that the Ponce Massacre image is today still under copyright, so why the removals? Exactly what criteria have you used to determine the image IS copyrighted today, if the law clearly states a 28+28 yr rule? Last I checked that was 56, or 1993. Have you explained the rationale anywhere other than the limited summary would does not do justice to the removal given the current state of affairs. And two, and although it might be unnecessary to ask the obvious but, why not let the bickering editor do the dirty work of the removal herself? This would be the morally (if nothing else) right thing to do. Thanks for responding. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 03:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

1.Why do you say the copyright issue isn't the issue any longer? 2. What in your view is the issue 'now', and why?. And 3. "Issue" in what sense? I mean, I saw you making deals with this bickering editor, just as I was finishing up my ANI submission. I say the issue at that point became the civility of the power-hungry, bickering editor, but as an overarching issue, not as one to replace the copyrights issue. 4. What makes the image a non-free image in your view that leads you to say "However, one the main requirements for non-free images is that they..."? 5. Why care about a withdrawl of the nomination? That is, why be at the mercy of 1 single individual when her/his character, has already been brought judged no good by so many in and out of the PR prject? Of course s/he will continue to move along your path so long as you have bones to feed him/her, but what when you run out of bones? then what? Also, how much do you know about the Puerto Rico Encyclopedia. http://www.enciclopediapr.org/ing/article.cfm?ref=06102005 It is a serious copyrighted site that wikipedia is afraid to copy from (there is a BOT that check's your additions against a listing of all of the PRE's content and will not allow copying from there). Yet they have a pic of the massacre w/o any copyright notice on it. So much for Damiens's "welcome to the internet" (which in itself assumes no good faith for Internet-anything. PRE wouldn't do this if the image was not free (there is no 'used by permission of' credit line either). I am convinced the image is PD. I am sure there are also plenty of printed books with the pic in it (and w/o a credit notice). I can't get to the 5th avenue library or the Ponce museum right now to get final proof of my suspicion. Called the museum to put them thru my usual research lines but they appeared closed. I am convinced the image is PD. Why continue to take all this bickering? Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 05:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for digging out that link, that has been my logic from the start of this whole submission: the photo is in the PD based on simple math: 1937 + 28=1965, and, even if we gave this whole thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed that El Imparcial filed for a 28-year extension) 1965 +28 (maximum allowed copyright before falling into PD)=1993.COPYRIGHT-EXPIRY. Why is this so paramount? Because

• (1) In 1993 there was not 3rd extension (there has never been anyway)
• (2) The law provides no procedure for restoring protection for works in which copyright has been lost "for any reason." Thus 1993 is furthest expiry date, "no matter what".

There is just one exception to this: The copyright law was updated in 1976, so that copyrights in their second term on January 1, 1978, (which the photo would had been if it can be proven that the photo's copyright was indeed renewed) such copyrights were automatically extended up to a maximum of 95 years, without the need for further renewal. This provision would in fact extend the copyright to 1937+28+67=2032.

Thus the provision allowed for a 2nd extension of 67 years (for a max 95 years), instead of 28/56. However this exception is possible only if the copyright holder applied for and extension between March 22, 1964 and March 21, 1965. Knowing what you and I know, the nominating editor is in an uphill battle to prove that -- given the documented economic status of the Island in the mid 60's, the paper's signs of wear by the end of the 1960s (see EncyclopediaPR), and the paper's collapse a few years later (1973) -- that the paper is in fact likely to have been in the 15% of holders who applied for a copyright extension. This is the only thing the nominating editor can hang on to to make her case, the only leg she would have to stand on. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 15:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Latinos in World War II

Greetings, Tony!

I think you should consider a rename of Hispanic Americans in World War II to "Hispanic and Latino Americans in World War II". It would mean a lot to the many (millions, dare I say) of Americans who prefer "Latino"/"Latina" over "Hispanic"—whether we always find their reasons to make sense or not. Really, it's a big issue; I'll get you some sources if you'd prefer to read more about it.

Meantime, you wouldn't mind if I added more mentions of "Latino" to the article, would you? For instance, right off the bat I'd like to change the first sentence from "Hispanic Americans fought in every major battle"... to "Hispanic and Latino Americans fought in every major battle"... SamEV (talk) 01:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Tony, I understand your point of view, though at the same time I totally disagree with it. And although I won't insist on my proposal, I just want to explain why it is that I disagree.

First, it's clear that renaming some articles could be controversial. And I understand how any article's rating could be affected, negatively or positively, by a name change. After all, if we insisted in titling the article "The best darn fighters in World War II", I can hardly imagine the article's making it anywhere near featured status—even though the title describes the truth!

J/K

But in this case, Tony, where the idea is to have the title match that of the ethnic group's own main article ("Hispanic and Latino Americans", of course) I really have a hard time imagining why there would be any significant opposition, or even any opposition at all. Honestly, I can't.

In regards to the various endonyms that Hispanic and Latino Americans use, you're right: there's a plethora of them. But these two—"Hispanic" and "Latino"—are the ones that the United States Bureau of the Census has chosen as "the" ethnonyms. They're the ones you see here: , and here: , and here: , and here: , and—well, you get the picture. What I'm saying is that those are the two official terms, and that they're the ones preferred by the majority of the community, by far.

Anyway, Tony, thanks for considering my idea and replying. SamEV (talk) 14:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Venegas.JPG

Hi, Marine. Could you fix the source for this image? --Damiens.rf 14:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Seems as if ICPR source isn't working, therefore added alternate source with thier public domain claim. Please help with the PD tag. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it. Why are images from that side in the public domain? What makes you believe so? --Damiens.rf 23:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you say about this image. COuld you please fix the source and/or licensing or just delete the image? --Damiens.rf 12:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Image request

The only thing she needs to do is send an email from her company's email system to OTRS stating what she already stated, and the image will be approved. Does that make sense? MBisanz 23:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Negroni

Hello Tony -- Regarding the negroni article... You mention that you are acting on the the behalf of the Negroni family. Isn't that against the point of wikipedia? One of the five pillars of Misplaced Pages is neutral point of view. I would be happy to leave the article alone if you posted verifiable sources for the claims. As of yet, there have been no reliable sources posted for the claims that Pascal was the originator of the drink. What has been posted is biographical information that was written by a brother of one of the editors and random blogs which mirror the vague claims of the editor. The biography that is a self-published source, which is questionable as far as WP is concerned, doesn't even address the claim that Pascal Negroni is the originator of the drink, just his history as a general. I also noticed that you have written the article for this brother, as well as other Negronis, and I was wondering if there were any WP:COI conflicts of interest that you would like to disclose in this situation? I realize that you are an admin and you have the ability to stop me, but I think that without solid references I am acting fully within the intent of wikipedia as all articles must have verifiability which has not yet been demonstrated. I have attempted to find published accounts of the Pascal claim, but have been unable to do so. As far as the Camillo claim, I have found three published accounts and verifiable accounts. Personally, I would like to maintain a WP:NPOV and I am committed to seeking outside editors for this, and have done so by posting a RfC, as well as asking leaders of the wikiprojects to review the article. I will seek other admins for their thoughts on the matter. If you review the history log you can see many other editors have removed this claim on the basis of no references. I'm sure that once there is a solid reference the information will stay.

Cheers - Chromatikoma (talk) 05:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Smooth

You sure did skylight File:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg to one of those image fascists. When somebody says "we need to delete/reduce A", showing them B will always make B thier next target. Sigh.

Christmas is coming up... do you have any special plans? I'm still gonna be in recovery. bahamut0013_deeds 21:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I know, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was blaming you. I just get so frustrated by editors that seem more interested in deconstructing the encyclopedia rather than expanding and improving it. God, I want to claw my eyeballs out, and not just from frustration--they hurt like hell! Email me some rum or vodka, will ya? bahamut0013_deeds 00:12, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Venegas.JPG listed for deletion

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l'Histoire militaire de Porto Rico

Wonderful traduction de l'Histoire militaire de Porto Rico en français. Peut-être que vous pourriez traduire cet article l'immigration française à Porto Rico. Tony Santiago

Thank you for the compliment! The only thing that bothers me is that most of images from the article were deleted on commons, therefore the french version lacks of pictures.

I will begin translation of French_immigration_to_Puerto_Rico at the beginning of 2010, hope I will translate faster than Military history of Puerto Rico!Le sotré (talk) 22:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for File:Hiram Bithorn.JPG

I has asked for a deletion review of File:Hiram Bithorn.JPG. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Damiens.rf 10:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

copyright release assistance

Hi Tony, see User talk:John Vandenberg#PD question. John Vandenberg 22:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas & what's up with Ada Perkins' photo?!?!

First of all, Feliz Navidad! As I sit here in LA,CA thinking about my family back in Dallas and my memories of Puerto Rico during this holiday season, I tried to 'psych' myself into being somewhat stoic since it didn't feel like Christmas. Then I was sitting here last night and I went to youtube and checked out el Villancico Yaucano sung by Placido Domingo and I wept like a 'Magdalena'. I could not help it. What lovely lyrics!!! Damn it. Hope you are having a better holiday than I. Ok, what's up with the wikipedia people deleting the Ada Perkins photo? What's going on? Just seems to me that they are being counter productive when it come sto information. Can you find another one? I don't get it. Hope all is well. Christian Crcam (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC).

Ada Perkins Photo

Well, that's strange! There are soo many pictures here on Misplaced Pages that I am sure are not public domain and are not questioned. Here's what I know about the picture that you had: The photo was actually the cover of a magazine called 'Angela Luisa' there were a number of other pictures inside of Ms. Perkins. I saw the original on a webpage about Miss Puerto Rico under the link of www.voy.com/211389/. There are anumber of other pics on flkr.com as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crcam (talk • contribs) 18:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

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December 2009

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add content (particularly if you change facts and figures), as you have to the article negroni, please cite a reliable source for the content you're adding or changing. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Please find a reference that adheres to the WP:V policy. Self-published webpages, comments in a forum, blogs are not considered verifiable sources. I am trying to improve this article and all material added to wikipedia MUST be verifiable. I am only following the guidelines of wikipedia, and it is CLEARLY NOT vandalism. Thank you. Chromatikoma (talk) 20:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Unprotection of Negroni

I came to the above article from a post to WP:RSN. User:Chromatikoma is acting quite properly in removing poorly sourced information, so there is no need at all for article protection. Could you unprotect please? Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know, there's a discussion of this issue also here. . Unfortunately nobody ever responded to your post on WP:EW where you left it. --Slp1 (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I would also request that you unprotect the page, and provide a reliable reference to the claim you have made. That's all. - Chromatikoma (talk) 03:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the view that you should not be restoring poorly sourced material. I would also add that this makes you an involved editor, and therefore you should not be acting as an admin there. This is basic stuff, really. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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