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Rabbi Hirschsprung

I made a page for Rabbi Pinchas Hirschsprung, I cant find much info for him though, would you have any good references? Gavhathehunchback (talk) 05:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I worked a bit on the article. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Over time the page for Rabbi Pinchas Hirschsprung has been completely cleaned of all references to his close connection to Chabad and the Lubavitcher Rebbe. I have posted information that is quickly removed because I don't have acceptable sources that document this relationship.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 03:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, bli neder I'll work on it. Thanks for pointing it out. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 04:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability Again

I made a Chabad Niggunim page and I ran into notability problems again. I tried putting third-party references, but it got flagged again for deletion. It seems like an administrator took off the flag, so it might not be in trouble anymore, but please revise it and add as much as possible. Thanks.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Chabad Leader

I am new to wikipedia and I am running into trouble trying to make new articles about Chabad personalities. How can I establish their notability? My page on Menucha Rachel Slonim was already deleted for lack of notability and my page on Reb Mendel Futerfas might also be deleted. Gavhathehunchback (talk) 01:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You prevent such issues by quoting from multiple original sources. :) Please let me know if you have any other areas in which you need assistance. You can also email me using the "E-mail this user" feature on the left side of my user page. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem! I was actually planning to start this page for a while, but you beat me to it.:)Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 04:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I made a new article on Rebbetzin Menucha Rachel Slonim, when you get a chance, please look it over so it doesn't get deleted.Gavhathehunchback (talk) 04:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Chabad-Lubavitch

Yehoishophot (or is it Oliver?): I have reverted your last edit of Chabad-Lubavitch. The expression 'previous rebbe' (or frierdiker in Yiddish) is not a title – it just means what it says. It is the norm amongst chasidim (not only Chabad) to refer to the current rebbe as der rebbe shlito or der hayntiker rebbe and the most recent rebbe as der rebbe zikhroinoi livrokho or der frierdiker rebbe. – Redaktor 00:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Netzarim

Hello Yehoishophot Oliver,

I left a message for you on Talk:Netzarim, but essentially, no matter how you may feel about a topic, all entries must be verifiable and written from a neutral point of view. Let me know if you have any questions, Tewfik 06:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I've responded there. Yehoishophot Oliver 06:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Disengagement plan

Please stop making blatant POV edits to articles concerning Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, especially using various forms of the word 'expel', a word which indicates condemnation of the events (see more here). You might be angry about it, but Misplaced Pages is a place for facts not opinions. Number 57 16:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Tzniut

I reverted your edit. The edit violates our WP:NPOV policy, which prohibits presenting a single POV as fact, and wasn't supported by any sources. It is simply not appropriate for Misplaced Pages to present, as fact, that points of view different from yours are wrong. Best, --Shirahadasha 14:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of User Talk Page

Would appreciate your taking a moment to review the WP:USER policy, particularly

As a matter of practice user talk pages are generally not deleted, barring legal threats or other grievous violations that have to be removed for legal reasons; however, exceptions to this can be and are made on occasion for good reason (see also Right to vanish).

Best, --Shirahadasha 13:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Religion and Sexuality

Shavua Tov! I reverted your edit to this article because you removed {{fact}} tag without supplying a source. COuld you supply a source for the statement about love of the body in Judaism? Best, --Shirahadasha 12:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Noahide laws

I want to encourage you not to remove well-sourced materials that you disagree with, this could cause difficulties. A number of statements you removed were well-sourced. Reform Judaism sometimes seeks converts, so as far as Misplaced Pages is concerned not seeking them is only "generally" the case. Likewise, we know reliably that Maimonides and "the Medieval sage Nissim of Gerona" disagreed about whether Islam was a Noahide religion. But whether the Maimonides' opinion disagrees with his own Mishnah Torah, as you wrote, is a matter of opinion; a Misplaced Pages editor's own opinion is not a reliable source for what Maimonides would think his own work would say about a particular case, particularly when we know Maimonides himself actually applied it differently. I'd like to encourage you not to attempt to Poskin on Misplaced Pages; the fact that a classical authority said something doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only possible position or that everyone agrees, then or now. --Shirahadasha 20:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1. Why are you posting here and not on the talk page there? 2. Reform is not Judaism. 3. "Well-sourced"?! No source was quoted for this absurd claim about the Rambam vs. the Ran. The meaning of the phrase Noahide religion must be qualified, which is exactly what I did. If other poskim disagreed, then it behooves whoever argues that that was so to quote his exact source. Yehoishophot Oliver 21:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw that you edited the Kabbalah article

I saw that you edited the aforementioned article, I invite you to join my new wikiproject Misplaced Pages: WikiProject Kabbalah. Thanks. Lighthead 23:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Broyde category/ies

Hi. Perhaps my summary comment wasn't clear. I mean to say that, if you would like to remove the categories I've proposed (and I feel substantiated) please discuss it first on the talk page for the article. Or you can just contact me on my talk page, as you started to do, which is fine. Thanks. Kol tuv, "HG | Talk" 04:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Orthodox Judaism template

I noticed that on the Eruv article and a number of others, you replaced the Judaism template with an Orthodox Judaism template. I would recommend that before replacing templates in this manner, please place a notice on both Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Judaism and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism and give the community an opportunity to discuss it. Best, --Shirahadasha 19:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!! --Shirahadasha 23:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Yehoishophot Oliver: Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I agree with User:Shirahadasha's concerns, you cannot do something so radical without first consulting some more experienced editors. IZAK 06:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Orthodox Judaism

Template:Orthodox Judaism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 08:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Chabad template.

The {{Chabad}} template looks like pure Chabad propaganda. Why isn't there a CONTROVERSY section in it to balance out all the schmaltz? This Misplaced Pages and not Chabad.org! See Template talk:Chabad#Controversy? and I would like to remind you to note the following rules:

1. WP:NOT#SOAPBOX;
2. WP:NOT#MIRROR;
3. WP:NOT#WEBSPACE;
4. WP:NOT#DIRECTORY;
5. WP:NPOV.

Take care, IZAK 13:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

3 revert rule

Please refrain from repeatedly undoing other people's edits, as you are doing in Jewish denominations. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. The three-revert rule (3RR) prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, please discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. nadav (talk)

I hear what you are saying. Note that I didn't repeatedly undo others' edits, I undid their reversions of my edits, without discussion on the talk page. The only reason that they're not getting this message from you is that several people reverted me, not just one, so no other single person violated this rule.Yehoishophot Oliver 04:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding this edit

I wouldn't call the word "denominations" a "blatant POV." I don't think your version is better or worse than the previous one, but it has become conventional to refer to Orthodox, Conservative, etc. as "denominations." The use of that word does not mean they are all equally legitimate: as an Orthodox Jew, I believe Orthodoxy is the only legitimate form of religious worship. But for Misplaced Pages, legitimacy is not the issue. The question is, do all these groups exist and claim to be a part of Jewish society, and the answer is yes. YechielMan 13:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

So what that it's conventional in some--i.e., non-Orthodox--circles to refer to Reform and Conservative as denominations? That simply reflects their POV to legitimise these religions. The issue here is not what they claim, but how their claim is presented. If they always make it clear that Orthodox Judaism considers them a heretical deviation, but they consider themselves legit., then they're at least being honest. But to call themselves, or for us to call them, denominations, implies clearly that they're legit., which is strongly disputed. Thus, it is clearly a fundamentally POV term. Yehoishophot Oliver 14:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I'm afraid I doubt you're going to get much support from other Misplaced Pages editors on this one. What if Reform Jews started objecting to the word "Orthodox" (which is greek for "correct belief" on the ground that it is POV for Misplaced Pages to use a word that implies a belief is correct? What if, whenever the beliefs of Orthodox Jews were mentioned, they insisted that Misplaced Pages add the phrase "but many Reform Jews consider this nothing more than a bunch of hokey myths and taboos" in order to make clear that they don't consider Orthodox Judaism legit? If you insist on doing this for Reform Judaism, what's to stop them from doing something similar for Orthodox Judaism? It would make a mishmash out of Misplaced Pages. Best, --Shirahadasha 16:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fine, it doesn't have to be said every time that the names of the groups themselves are mentioned. But in the wording of an article whose very purpose is to define these groups, and it uses the POV word denomination in the article name, it should be pointed out from the outset that this usage is only accepted by some. Yehoishophot Oliver

Auspices Re Yeshivah College Melbourne

For something to be under someone's auspices there must be some level of control at the present time. Menachem Schneerson is dead. Thus he has no control. Either leave it at the "school continued" or it "continues under the chabad lubavitch movement". but continues to be under the auspices of a dead guy is misleading and unencyclopaedic. Also, please do not remove my comments from the article talk page. 58.175.200.168

Do not remove comments from article talk pages or I will report you. 203.49.58.76 05:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Do not write comments with no signature whatsoever, against wiki etiquette, and expect registered members to put up with it. As for your comment, I have already responded on the talk page there; I don't understand why you see fit to comment here as well. Yehoishophot Oliver 11:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop removing my comment from the Yeshivah College, Australia talk page. It is a form of vandalism and if you continue i will report you for it. 58.175.201.252 01:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

But you seem to have comprehension difficulties: I wrote my reason in the edit summary there, and above right here in my last message, which you surely saw: You violated wiki etiquette by posting with no signature at all. Of course, I can't threaten to report you for that, because you are hiding cowardly. Yehoishophot Oliver 10:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Israeli flag

I have commented at Template talk:WPJewish nav.--DLand 15:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible stub merge

Have you seen Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion? It is being proposed that the Chabad-stub and the Hasidic dynasties-stub be merged into {{Hasidic-Judaism-stub}}. Please make your views known! Chesdovi 10:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Yehoishophot Oliver 15:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Your splitting of Template:Jewish holidays

Hi, I noticed that you split Template:Jewish holidays and created Template:Israeli holidays. Please see my comments on Template talk:Jewish holidays regarding my reasons against this split. Previous consensus on this very topic has been to have a single template for both but to split it into sections to appease both sides of the argument. The fact that nobody commented on your proposal to split the articles does not always imply that people are in agreement. In fact, I don't think anyone noticed the proposal. I think we need to revert back to the old method until it is fully discussed, as the previous occasions this has been discussed have been pretty firmly in the single-template camp. A good place to mention the discussion would probably be WP:JEW or on the article for Jewish Holidays itself. You can direct the people on the talk pages therein to the existing discussion in Template talk:Jewish holidays. For now, I think it should be reverted according to the results of the last discussion. Kol tuv, Valley2city 04:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I disagree. I proposed it on the relevant page, waited several months, asked again and again if anyone has objections, and no one objected, even as they saw the change being made, until you've come along and objected now. So regardless of old discussions, the current consensus is clearly to split. Yehoishophot Oliver 16:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't consider a proposal that doesn't garner any comments whatsoever as "clear consensus". I would sooner claim apathy or ignorance of the proposal to be the reason that there have not been any comments. I have listed a counter proposal on WT:JEW and on the Template talk:Jewish holidays and have not received response on either but I wouldn't consider that consensus in either direction. All I have for past consensus is the compromise made in the past to have a single template split into sections. I don't think changing an established consensused compromise due to nobody else weighing in is the right way to go. Have a Good Shabbos. Valley2city 18:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar award

		The Original Barnstar
		I hereby award you with an Original Barnstar after coming across Tefillin Campaign which you created. After expanding extensively on tefillin myself, I was delighted to unexpectedly stumble upon a fine elaboration of the "Tefillin campaign" phenomena and hastily wikilinked it to the tefillin page. Thank you! Chesdovi 00:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for thanking me! :) Yehoishophot Oliver 04:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI notification

Just a notification but you were mentioned at WP:ANI. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Please be careful not to add controversial material to Misplaced Pages unless there is a very reliable source to back it up. See also our policy on biographies of living people. Thank you. - Jehochman 12:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep it in mind, thanks.Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 12:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Defining Judaism(In regards to Jewish_views_of_religious_pluralism

"http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Jewish_views_of_religious_pluralism" Peace, I'm trying to learn about Judaic thought on different religions... as a former Christian, that statement about 'Old Testament God of Justice', 'New Testament God of Love'(which was taken by some early Gnostics to claim that it was a lesser God) has been typical in my understanding of Judaism thus my understanding comes from that and in my ignorance that defines my understanding of Judaism..thus in Christianity we see God as have being cruel and yet just for Judaism...could you help lead me to a better understanding of this? as a current Hindu I follow the 'religious pluralism, equal paths' precept..I'm trying to see how Judaism acknowledges other religions in their capability for salvation. Shalom,DomDomsta333 (talk) 06:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Orthodox Judaism doesn't acknowledge other religions as valid, though it recognises that they may contain elements of truth, that stem from Judaism. For non-Jews, Judaism prescribes the Noahide laws. See . Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the Jewis views of religious pluralism article I would say that it mostly represents the views of Conservative Judaism, and tends to avoid both views within Orthodox Judaism which tend to limit a pluralistic view on grounds Jewish choseness, and sources in Reconstructionist Judaism and Reform Judaism which discourage a concept of Jewish chosenness as an obstacle to pluralism. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. both of you, reading the Noahide laws, makes me see the importance of moral conduct which is similar to that in many religions...thanks, DomDomsta333 (talk) 08:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Chabad article AFD

Hi: See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Upper Midwest Merkos - Lubavitch House and if you can raise the quality of Upper Midwest Merkos - Lubavitch House. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 12:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

help

I create some stubs that need help. Jewish Learning Institute, Vaad Rabonei Lubavitch, and Zelig Sharfstein can you help improve them? Chocolatepizza (talk) 13:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know; I'll see what I can do. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:431px-Zevin.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:431px-Zevin.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Polly (Parrot) 04:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Look, I did my best to credit it. I posted the information from Hebrew wikipedia. What do I have to do that I didn't do? Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 04:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Issue with Tefillin campaign

I noticed that you created and had been editing this page, but 90% of the material appears to be a direct word-for-word copy of this article. You might want to take a look at WP:NFC for issues regarding including copyrighted works in Misplaced Pages. The linked article would be fine as a source, but it needs to be cited rather than being copied into the article. --Clay Collier (talk) 09:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Zionist offencive

Hello! Rabbi or Mr. Yehoishophot Oliver. I am relativelly new in the Misplaced Pages, but I see that the Zionists made themselves very comfortable here, and are attacking everyone that believes different then them. I have created the Yishuv haYashan article, which is something important historically speaking. I see they are trying to remove any information about the Haredim who didn't participate in the Zionist movement. Furthermore the whole history of the Yishuv haYashan Kollelim was ignored but instead an article about Halukka in a negative spotlight. They are trying to persuade that all those who did for our brothers in Eretz Yisroel were Zionists. I would suggest that we incorporate in a Template:WikiProject:Yishuv haYashan or Template:WikiProject:Torah Judaism in order to clearify the facts.

HagiMalachi (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I wish you much success in your campaign to prevent cover-up of religious involvement in resettling Eretz Yisroel, but I'm not convinced that the Yishuv warrants a separate WikiProject. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Judaism Newsletter

The WikiProject Judaism Newsletter Issue I -- Sivan, 5768 Main Project Page Talk Page Judaism Portal Categories To Do Judaism AFD/RFC

What's This? Shalom aleichem sports fans, and welcome to the first of what I hope will be a monthly newsletter with the need-to-know information about our fair WikiProject. If you have any questions or comments, or would like to recommend a story for the newsletter, click here to leave a message on the Newsletter Coordinator's talk page. In the News WikiProject Good Articles is doing sweeps over all our current good articles to ensure they still meet criteria. For more information and how you can help, check out WikiProject Good Articles Sweeps. GA status for the article Jew has been put on hold pending a few minor revisions. A list of things that need to be done to return this top importance article to its proper status can be found here. Jerusalem is a Featured Article Candidate! Go forth, my people, and !vote! To Do One new Judaism-related article was created this month, the long requested Hebrew Punctuation. Thanks to Epson291 for creating it. Remember, folks, there are over forty standing requests for Judaism articles, so whenever you get the opportunity make sure to go create a few. In the right column you will see a listing of our most popular articles. All of these articles got 170,000+ page hits in the past month, and they should be on everyone's watchlist so we can keep them vandalism-free. Spread the word! No, not the Word... (well, you can do that too) I'm talking about inviting knowledgeable users to join the project. You can proclaim your undying love of WikiProject Judaism in methods mild to wild, check the project template page and member list for examples. We also now have a flashy advertisement, to use it add {{Misplaced Pages ads|ad=148}} to your userpage. Quick Stats On the date of publish, we had... 275 Project Members 6152 articles 2341 of which are Stubs 15 of which are Good 8 of which are Featured New Members Benignuman Bernstein2291 Shevashalosh Yudel Most Popular Articles By page hits. Source. Israel The Holocaust Judaism Ten Commandments Ark of the Covenant Misplaced Pages ads file info – #148

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WikiProject Judaism Newsletter

The Judaism Newsletter Issue II -- Tammuz, 5768 WikiProject Judaism (/to do) WikiProject Jewish History (/to do) WikiProject Kabbalah (/to do)

Now with 200% more Jewishness! Yes, folks, we're moving on up. This newsletter is now the newsletter for both WikiProject Judaism, WikiProject Jewish History, and WikiProject Kabbalah. In the future, I may split them, but for now I think we'll be just fine with one. As always, any questions or comments should be directed to me, L'Aquatique. A Special Dispatch Just a note, not aimed at anyone in particular. By order of the administrative cabal, it is officially not cool (and possibly dickish) to call someone an anti-semite when they aren't being anti-semitic. Anti-semitic is a very charged word, and it's important only to use it when you're absolutely sure it applies, lest it become the subject of a Godwin-esque law. Remember Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. In the News A new class on the importance scale has been added- C Class- which covers articles better than start but not quite to B Class yet. It is up to the WikiProjects to decide whether to adopt them or not. Currently, there has been little discussion within our Projects, so if you feel strongly either way be sure to note so at your Project. There is a proposal to reword the section on NPOV regarding religious articles. Please see Wikipedia_talk:NPOV#Religion section - Disputes between historians or scientists and religious_views to weigh in. Thanks largely to the efforts of Xyz7890, a new navbox has come into being featuring Halakha topics. See: Template talk:Halakha to join in the conversation about how it can best be improved. To Do The Simple English Misplaced Pages is beginning a project of creating and improving articles related to religion, including Judaism. At the present time, volunteers are needed to propose our most important subjects for articles to be created. The official working list is here and a more extended list is here. If you are unsure of proper topics, you might try checking our lists of top importance level articles: Judaism and Jewish History. (WikiProject Kabbalah currently doesn't have such a list) WikiProject Christianity is considering running a monthly drive wherein two or three top importance articles from English Misplaced Pages are simplified and moved over to S.E. They have extended an offer to work with us in creating a similar project for Judaism related articles. For questions or volunteer opportunities, please contact User:John Carter. WikiProject Kabbalah is in dire need of an article rating system for quality and importance. If you are familiar with that system and have some time on your hands, please create one. It could also use some infoboxes... New Members Judaism: Big maybe, Janirai, Jfdwolff, Joseph.mahal, Joshua Weiss, LisaLiel, Rcjavid, Yehudi, YY, Agent204.15, Gilad73, Joseph.mahal, Noah03 Jewish History: Noah03 Kabbalah: None. Won't you join? New Articles Habib ben Elisha Faturechi (Thanks PhatJew!) There are some 40 odd standing requests for Judaism related articles. Please make them! I would, but I'm too busy writing this. . Quick Links Judaism Portal Kabbalah Portal Articles for Deletion Request for Comment Article Requests WikiProject Judaism Stats 281 Project Members 6155 articles 2342 of which are Stubs 15 of which are Good 8 of which are Featured WikiProject Jewish History Stats 69 Project Members 1124 articles 241 of which are Stubs 10 of which are Good 10 of which are Featured WikiProject Kabbalah Stats 12 Project Members 165 articles 87 of which are Stubs 1 of which is Good 1 of which is Featured Misplaced Pages ads file info – #148

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The Judaism Newsletter

The Judaism Newsletter Issue III -- Av, 5768 WikiProject Judaism (/to do) WikiProject Jewish History (/to do) WikiProject Kabbalah (/to do)

"Censorship" of names of G-d There is an interesting discussion currently taking place regarding whether or not it is acceptable to censor (i.e. G-d, HaShem->YodHey) names of G-d in articles to protect Jews who may be reading or editing the article. You can weigh in here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Yahweh. Article Cleanup Lists User:B. Wolterding has generously offered us use of his bot to generate lists that show which articles of ours are tagged for cleanup. You can read more about this service here: User:B._Wolterding/Cleanup_listings and if you would like to take him up on his offer, contact him on his talk page. In the News There is a collaboration drive to get Holocaust in Lithuania to good article status. For information about how you can help, see the talk page or contact User:Piotrus. WikiProject Kabbalah's only Featured and Good articles have been removed from the WikiProject, on the grounds that neither article (Diane Keaton and David Beckham, respectively) actually mention the subject's affiliation with Kabbalah. If you have sourced information linking either of these people to Kabbalah, please add it so the articles can be returned to the WikiProject. After a rather heated discussion, there are now two barnstars for use by the Jewish WikiProjects, {{The Jewish Barnstar}} and {{The New Jewish Barnstar}}, and you can choose which one you would like to use.. Remember: barnstars are for rewarding users who are doing good work on the project or on Judaism, Jewish History, or Kabbalah articles, and anyone can give anyone else a barnstar. If you see a user who you thinks deserves a thank you, give them a barnstar! To Do/Help Requests If you have some spare time on your hands, we could use an article about a Kabbalah scholar named Moshe Idel. According to HG there are quite a few sources easily available, you can contact him if you have questions. Be sure to nominate it for DYK if the finished article is eligible. The folks at Shimon Peres need some assistance from someone familiar with both the Hebrew calendar and language to help them figure out the subject's birthday. If you can help, please see Talk:Shimon_Peres#Birthday. New Members Judaism: Arigont, Avi, CheskiChips, Pini00001, Shirulashem, TaliaNadel, Tyciol, yehoshuafriedla Jewish History: 5768altalena, AniMate, User:Yosef.garibaldi.gmail, Pinnecco, Shirulashem, Tyciol Kabbalah: Shuliavrumi New Articles Bezalel Rudinsky (thanks Shirulashem!}, Jewish tartan (thanks Briangotts!), Hebrew spelling (thanks Epson291) We get a lot of articles that are being created and not announced! By announcing new articles, you attract attention to them, and the more people looking and editing the better they will get. If you would like your new article to appear in the newsletter, add it here for Judaism and Kabbalah and here for Jewish History. There are some 40 odd standing requests for Judaism related articles. Please make them! I would, but I'm too busy writing this. . Quick Links Judaism Portal Kabbalah Portal Israel Portal Articles for Deletion Request for Comment Article Requests WikiProject Judaism Stats 291 Project Members 6248 articles 2356 of which are Stubs 18 of which are Good 6 of which are Featured WikiProject Jewish History Stats 77 Project Members 1141 articles 244 of which are Stubs 10 of which are Good 10 of which are Featured WikiProject Kabbalah Stats 13 Project Members 165 articles 87 of which are Stubs 0 of which are Good 0 of which are Featured Misplaced Pages ads file info – #148

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Recent AfD on Christianity and Judaism

Hi! I see that you were one of the participants in the recent AfD on the article Christianity and Judaism. That AfD recommended (in a snowball result) that the article be merged into Judeo-Christian. However, since the AfD concerns have been raised, most notably

• Per WP:ADJECTIVE and WP:MOSNAME, we use nouns and noun-phrases for article titles, not adjectives. So a general survey on the relationships between Christianity and Judaism (a topic this encyclopedia should certainly cover) should be called Christianity and Judaism, as per the articles Christianity and Islam, Islam and Judaism.
• The reason the article Judeo-Christian exists, as its own hatnote declares, is specifically to survey the history and use of that word-phrase -- which has its own controversy, and its own tale to tell. (See here where I've set things out in a bit more detail.) That story is a good fit for its own article, and will get completely lost if the contents of Christianity and Judaism get inappropriately dumped on top of it.

Having contacted the closing admin, his advice was to open a new discussion at Talk:Christianity and Judaism, advertise the discussion widely, and if a new consensus can be reached in that discussion , then per WP:CCC the new consensus should be followed, rather than the AfD decision, without the need for a DRV or a new AfD.

Concerns about the proposed merge have also been expressed by Slrubenstein (talk · contribs), LisaLiel (talk · contribs) and SkyWriter (talk · contribs).

This post is therefore to let you know that that discussion is underway, at Talk:Christianity and Judaism#Overly speedy deletion, with a view to perhaps setting aside the AfD decision.

Of course, some significant issues were raised in the AfD about the article in its present form, so the best way forward is a question that needs some thought. Please feel welcome to come and participate! Jheald (talk) 07:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Lipkin's book

I saw you said that you have read parts of Lipkin's book. If you have a change, could you specify link in Menachem Mendel Schneerson. I only new the copies the the Renne's wills are somewhere in chapters 3 and 4, but actual page numbers would be appreciated. Debresser (talk) 07:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the English of the first will is translated in ch. 3 and the Hebrew of the second will is written up in Hebrew in ch. 4, but the actual original copies of the documents are at the end. I've added the exact references. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Do we both have the same book? the page numbers you added to the article do not have the documents in my book, they (originals) are at pages 63-64 and 81-82 in my book. Shlomke (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

It says in mine in the front that it's "the second edition, with additions and corrections." So perhaps you have the first edition. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

That is likely. There were two editions in the same year. Debresser (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The Bible and homosexuality

After you pointed my attention to your conflict with User:Lisa in The Bible and homosexuality I made an edit to that paragraph, introducing some NPOV language. I hope both of you will be able to live with this edit. Debresser (talk) 10:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Tzniut

I am certainly open to discussion. In fact, I will take the opportunity to lay out my point. The primary source for the issue in contention is the talmud which states that covering hair is "dat" yisrael. The translation of dat is nothing other than practice or custom, certainly NOT jewish law or halacha. This is plain and simple. In fact juxtaposed to the above referenced segment of misha where the practice is called a tradition is a whole list of various other traditions including that a women shouldnt yell loudly. The text of the mishna states that that if a married women does not cover her hair then her husband can divorce her without payment of ketubah sum as a matter of contractual law. There is no plausible reading of the text to argue that it is an "obligation" "requirement" or any such misleading and inaccurate terms. If my objectors are to believed then it would follow that this is a matter of jewish law as well, which seems rather absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroldsultan (talk • contribs) 02:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

No, das means law. That's why he can divorce her and she forfeits her kesuba if she doesn't do it, because it's a strict obligation--i.e., law, not just custom. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

In any case, the phrase dat yisrael that Haroldsultan "quotes" does not appear there. It is obvious from the above that he has never actually looked at the section of Talmud in question. If he had he would know that it explicitly says that: 1) going out with uncovered hair is deoraita; 2) dat yehudit (not "yisrael") forbids her from going out in public with hair covered only by a basket (but that this is allowed in a private or semi-public area); and 3) that kolanit means a woman who speaks with her husband about their intimate lives so loudly that the neighbours can hear, and that is indeed forbidden by law. -- Zsero (talk) 05:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

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This nomination is absurd, as this is an established private school. I've responded on the talk page there. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

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