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Notification

As a result of an arbitration case, the Arbitration committee has acknowledged long-term and persistent problems in the editing of articles related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, broadly understood. As a result, the Committee has enacted broad editing restrictions, described here and below.

• Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.
• The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.
• Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision; and, where appropriate, should be counseled on specific steps that he or she can take to improve his or her editing in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines.
• Discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator, the appropriate administrators' noticeboard (currently WP:AE), or the Committee.

These editing restrictions may be applied to any editor for cause, provided the editor has been previously informed of the case. This message is to so inform you. This message does not necessarily mean that your current editing has been deemed a problem; this is a template message crafted to make it easier to notify any user who has edited the topic of the existence of these sanctions.

Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.

This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged here.

CIreland (talk) 16:32, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Nableezy

Please see the discussion at CIreland's page.Cptnono (talk) 12:43, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

AE

FYI, WP:AE#Request concerning Shuki. nableezy - 19:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

thanks, nableezy, i was just about to do this.  :) untwirl(talk) 19:34, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

No, thank you both, but especially Untwirl for exposing the lust to shut me up. I think I'll take short break from WP while you guys might perhaps stop frothing at the mouth. --Shuki (talk) 21:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

wtf, did you not notice I said that the report should be closed without action? You have called for my blocking very recently, and if I were normally inclined to be petty and vindictive I would have returned the favor. I said at AE that I think we should do the RfC, why exactly are you saying I am "frothing at the mouth"? nableezy - 22:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

i apologize for the appearance that i was trying to silence you. i wasn't. i have adjusted my request to reflect that. untwirl(talk) 22:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Nableezy. excuse me? You of all people should accept that the user talk page is his realm to do 'wtf' s/he wants (your term I do not appreciate on this page even in shortened form). Given your past attitude towards me, and at least one other recent instance of you butting into others' discussion, I have 'yet' little reason to assume that you came here to sincerely notify me of a reckless user's actions. Perhaps in the future, this will change and I hope so. Good night. --Shuki (talk) 22:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

modiin illit

You wouldn't happen to be that ip would you? Either way, Area C is most certainly not separate from the Palestinian territories. It is not "Israeli" in any meaning other than "Israeli occupied" or "Israeli controlled". Modiin Illit is in the Palestinian territories, that is a near unanimous view. As for you saying I am POV pushing, thats just funny. Im the one claiming areas are in my country that are not, not you. Im the one imposing a tiny minority view over a whole range of articles, not you. Thanks for that, I needed a laugh. nableezy - 23:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Go find a source, stop pushing your OR POV. --Shuki (talk) 23:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

You mean OR POV like "Area C is Israeli"? nableezy - 23:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

What is wrong with you? Why did you make this comment? Do you really have nothing better to do? It was a joke, a joke that Malik understood. Too funny telling me to mind my own business when that is exactly what you should have done. nableezy - 23:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Have a nice weekend. Please do some constructive editing. --Shuki (talk) 09:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

Walla. That was unexpected. Not sure I know on what merits do you evaluate my work, but anyway - thank you!. --Sceptic from Ashdod 02:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You might be interested - Edit war

See Love Jihad. It will be helpful if you could add some incidents reported in Israel in the Love_Jihad#Similar_Incidents section. I have read it here. Yusuf.Abdullah (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

"I ask that someone corrects me if I am wrong"

Ok.

The article is actually based on this article in the Jewish Encyclopedia.

If you check the edit history of Age of majority in Judaism, you'll notice that

• It began as an exact copy of Part 2 of the Jewish Encyclopedia article. (Part 1 is about 'majority' in the sense of 'quorum'). Here's a link to the original edit
• Further edits were just wikifying this (adding sections, linking words, turning into modern english, etc.), and re-arrangements. Here's the history
• At one point the material about 'sexual activity, betrothal, and marriage' was spun out into a new article. The article it was spun out into was Marriageable age in Judaism - the subject of the AfD. Here's the diff, and here's the original edit on the new article, for comparison.
• My next edit to the Marriageable age in Judaism was to add the definition of ketanah, etc. so that people reading the article new what it is referring to. The definition was copied word-for-word from Age of majority in Judaism. Here's the diff
• Then a minor change of indentation. Here's the diff
• Then material about child marriage was spun out to create Child marriage in Judaism. Here's the diff. Here's a slightly later edit as well moving a piece of information I forgot about when I span the other material off.

That's basically the edit history of the article. In other words, its not WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:ESSAY, WP:OR, or even WP:POV. Its simply a wikified version of part of an article from the public domain Jewish Encyclopedia.

Would you therefore be kind enough to retract your accusation? Newman Luke (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

(this relates to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Marriageable age in Judaism)

"...for some reason this is not convincing"

What is it that you are not convinced of? Do you still think it is WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:ESSAY, WP:OR, and possibly WP:POV ? If so, could you explain why?

• It is copied, with merely structural re-arrangement and wikification, directly from a public domain Encyclopedia, so how can it be WP:OR - original research?
• It is copied, with merely structural re-arrangement and wikification, directly from a public domain Encyclopedia, so how can it be WP:SYNTH - artificial synthesis of multiple sources - when there is just the one core source?
• It is copied, with merely structural re-arrangement and wikification, directly from a public domain Encyclopedia, so how can it be WP:ESSAY - a personal essay?

Would you be kind enough to explain this, or retract your accusation? Newman Luke (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

(I think you actually mean WP:NOT#ESSAY, as WP:ESSAY is the category for essays about wikipedia policies, etc.)

WikiBirthday

I saw from here that it's been exactly four years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ /_contribs 03:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Unsubstantiated accusations

Shuki, "unsubstantiated accusations" is English for "accusations without substance". The next time you decide to accuse someone of violating their topic ban, you should do your homework and look into exactly what the provisions of the ban are. If you are unsure, instead of making statements of fact without citing any diffs, you might simply ask. Tiamut 21:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I see it's hard for you to let go. Anyway, I did check here. If there is an update to the status, it should be there, not hidden away somewhere else on an obscure page. You could have been nice and simply pointed that page out, but you had to educate me there and again here too. Shukran. --Shuki (talk) 21:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

For future reference Shuki, all notifications and bans are logged at WP:ARBPIA#Log of notifications and WP:ARBPIA#Log of blocks and bans respectively. Any changes would be, or at least should be, seen there. nableezy - 21:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Sources for Jewish fundamentalism

See Talk:Jewish fundamentalism. Noam Chomsky uses the term and Encyclopedia Britannica defines it, seems fairly notable, so complete deletion because of lack of sourcing seems extreme. I found those sources in 4 minutes. user:alatari (no access to my unmemorized randomized 16 character password ATM) 97.85.185.160 (talk) 11:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Please go to the Afd and read the decision. The term is used, the entire article was not acceptable. I suggest that if it is important to you, please improve the article with proper referencing. Don't expect others to do the work. --Shuki (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

WP:HE and Sabich

Hi, I noticed a recent post of yours regarding WP:HE. I happen to have noticed that the Sabich article contains multiple spellings. Would you agree with me that WP:HE would imply that Sabih would be the correct name for that article, or have I missed something?--Peter cohen (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I suppose so, though the ch is tolerated. Sabikh (?) is yummy, but not sure if there is widely-used spelling that might be acceptable. I haven't been part of that language effort, but notwithstanding 'not biting the newbies', I don't tolerate some new anon coming to educate the rest of us. --Shuki (talk) 21:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks given your lack of strong feeling. I'll leave it a little to see if anyone replies to my comment on the Sabich talk page. Unfortunately Gilabrand assessed the article within an hour of my posting about the diverse spellings, so casual watchers are likely to miss my having posted to the talk page too.

If I ever have Sabich, I would have to hold the Israeli salad as it contains evil red things. However, as a veggie, I think the rest sounds fine. There's what I think is an Israeli restaurant, Gaby's, near Leicester Square which I used to go to regularly after the opera. If I were still going regularly to the oepra, I would try it.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

As for the other page, at least that anon is likely to be a genuine newwbie. The Israel/palestine area has more than its fair share of sockpuppets and of returnign banned users hoping not to be noticed.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

So they should register new names and start building new alibis and editing traits to hide their past ones :-) I know there are always the 'drive-by' editors who are not aware of past discussions and conventions or understand the idea of collaborating with opposite minded editors. --Shuki (talk) 22:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit

		The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit
		Dear Shuki: Even though you have already been awarded this worthy medal by another editor, it is my honor and pleasure to present The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit to you yet again a second time because of all your untiring and amazing work on behalf of so many Israel-related articles. With much admiration, IZAK (talk) 11:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks with God's help, may you too continue to contribute productively and add light to WP. --Shuki (talk) 20:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you! IZAK (talk) 09:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Occupied Territories

Hey Shuki,

Please quit issuing mindless threats and argue points on thier merit.

Thanks NickCT (talk) 13:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Please respond to my request in Talk:Occupied territories#Page protection in the same section. -- PBS (talk) 15:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Hebrew article question

Hi Shuki, could you look at this Hebrew article and see if it would be better to have as an interwiki with Al-Azhar Mosque or with Al-Azhar University? A google translation makes me think it is closer to the mosque page, listing the university as part of the structure of the mosque but the title of the page is University (at least google says so). Thanks, nableezy - 07:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

The page seems mainly for the university and it engulfs the part about the mosque which could be in a separate article unless the use of the building is for other both uses then more comparison would be needed. --Shuki (talk) 07:22, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

The actual building is no longer used by the university, but thanks for checking. nableezy - 07:32, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps later today, or tonight, I can split that info out into a separate article. --Shuki (talk) 07:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Done --Shuki (talk) 22:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. But if you dont mind, could I ask a few questions about your AE comment? You say I have been edit-warring since my topic ban, could you say where? I am not aware of a single page where I have made more than 1 non-vandalism revert. And you say I am copy-editing with POV. The only edit I made in which I claimed it was a copy-edit, meaning a non-controversial change in the words but not the meaning, was on some Palestinian rocket attack page. I dont feel like looking for the edit, but you can ask Jalapenos do exist if my copy-edit was "POV" (it was something like changing "all in all, over 2009" to "over the course of 2009"). If you are referencing the Lieberman page, I never claimed that edit was a "copy-edit", that is a substantive change. But I have made exactly 1 revert on that page, so I am a bit confused when you or Jaak accuse me of edit-warring. I wont even try to talk to Jaak about his accusations, but while we have had our problems you have not seemed to be the type to make accusations without cause, so if you could provide some answers to why you made those accusations it would be appreciated. nableezy - 02:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Hi. I noticed Tiamut referred to you as "she" in AE. I've never encountered a female Shuki before, so I was wondering if you are in fact female and if so, what name is it a nickname for? You don't have to answer of course, I'm just curious. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Chabad on Misplaced Pages arbitration request

Since you have been kind enough to comment at the unresolved WP:COI case at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/User:Yehoishophot Oliver, you may wish to know that it has now been nominated for arbitration. Feel free to review at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Chabad on Misplaced Pages and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Requesting Arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thank you for your input and patience, IZAK (talk) 09:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)