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Requests for checkuser/Case/Tfoxworth

I have attempted to file the above case for action. Since problems with this banned user's sockpuppets have been handled promptly before (most recently by you), I suspect that I may have done something wrong or inadequate in submitting it. Would you please look it over and let me know if there is anything further I need to do, or if it is just a matter of workload & patience? Thankyou. FactStraight (talk) 01:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I have been spot editing away, but somehow, unknowingly got logged out, not an uncommon occurrence, but when I tried to edit while logged out I received this message:
Editing from 98.23.192.0/19 has been disabled by Dominic for the following reason(s):
I'd like to know more about why I am blocked. Can you help? Einar aka

RE: formatting for your comments on Articles for deletion

I apologize for editing your format instead of asking you to do so.

My rationale, though faulty, was that I thought, and still think, that two or more bullets for one comment to my decision puts more emphasis on your comment than mine.

The reason I think I refrained from asking you directly was my own impatience and my feeling that you were not open to reason. I shouldn't have assumed, and I will try not to assume in the future. Your friend in Wiki, Abie the Fish Peddler :-) (talk) 17:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Gemach

Hi, I wonder if you could help me with this. An anonymous IP user made a ton of small edits to this page. Some edits are good, but most are unreferenced and a few are plain wrong. Since there's no one to talk to about these edits, should I just rollback everything and wait to hear from someone? I'm asking you what to do since I really don't relish the idea of combing through all these edits to pick out the good ones. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I took care of it. Yoninah (talk) 13:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Season's greetings

Thank you for being one of the people who has made 2009 such an interesting and enlightening year for me. It has certainly had its challenges, but also many highlights. I wish you peace and contentment in 2010, and a joyous holiday season to you and yours. In honour of the season, I hope you will enjoy a little musical token. Your choice: traditional or cheeky. Best, Risker (talk) 02:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Unblocking User:Breathing Dead

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		I was looking over a couple of your edits, and was really impressed by them, especially the diff on the "Anti-Zionism" article that you linked to from your user page. This is such a difficult and polarized issue, and I cannot even tell what you personally believe from your very neutral and excellent edits, which greatly improved the quality of that article. I was also impressed by your participation in the debate over whether User:Palestine Remembered should be blocked, because I think that too often users with strong points of view get blocked when they are willing to constructively work on improving the quality of the encyclopedia. Well done, you seem to be a great Wikipedian with a remarkably even temper. CordeliaNaismith (talk) 01:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

One user who I hope you will look into because I think they have been unfairly blocked is User:Breathing Dead. This user made many constructive contributions to wikipedia before he was blocked. Then, he got into an argument with an admin in which WP:CIVIL was violated on both sides, and the upshot was that the user got blocked by the admin involved in the argument. I'm kind of worried about this user because I hope he is OK in real life, given the bold edits that he engaged in on wikipedia this July and the fact that he says that he lives in Iran and says he is active in promoting women's rights & human rights. So, I don't know if this user is still around wikipedia since he's been blocked since July and it's been a while since then, but in any case I think he should be unblocked and a nice note left on his user page. I also wrote about this on the admin noticeboard, but wanted to write to you also because I like how you deal with other editors. Have a good Shabbat! Thanks, CordeliaNaismith (talk) 01:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

OTRS ticket 2009122110036124

I answered on my page in the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. Tomer A. 20:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Your "13th tribe" edits

Hallo Avraham. It seems that your last edits are automatically uploading an older version of the article. I just wanted to state that the topic of the book was not so new in French scholarship. (Koestler was not a historian but he "smelt" the opportunity to publicize this topic for English readers). See also the spelling for the Shlomo/Sholomo Sand (I really don't know which one is the exact transcription from Hebrew but the Misplaced Pages entry uses "Shlomo"). Yours, KTA193.135.132.138 (talk) 16:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Hallo Avraham. I am restoring that reference to Renan, Bloch and Ferro in the "Controversy" section. Now I think it suits better a "Background" or "Previous proposals of that thesis" section, but it would make the whole thing atomized. Yours, KTA 193.135.132.138 (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:Unblocking User:Breathing Dead

Hi Avi, Thanks for your note. User:Breathing Dead doesn't seem to have email enabled, so I have no way to contact him. I did leave a note on his talk page though. Thanks, CordeliaNaismith (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD

I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of former Jews.Kitfoxxe (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Bureaucrat discussion for Juliancolton RfB

A bureaucrat discussion has been opened in order to determine the consensus in this request for adminship. Please come participate. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Chabad 12 year old user

Hi Avraham: Please take a look at this User:Hayesgenius, a twelve year old Chabad-Lubavitch child editor on Misplaced Pages, in his edit history he leaves information about who he is and what he's doing in violation of WP:NOTMYSPACE aka WP:NOTFACEBOOK for a start. Does Misplaced Pages need his pre-Bar-Mitzva photo uploaded at File:Sholom Myers.jpg? Looks like a troubling development. Will Chabad now send even 12 year olds to the Misplaced Pages "front lines" because many of them are online so much? This needs some guidance and guidelines. Please take a look. IZAK (talk) 03:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I've commented on this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Judaism#Chabad 12 year old user. (feel free to delete this) ☺Coppertwig (talk) 15:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Per wikipedia policy regarding self-disclosure of personal identification of a minor. Could you please point me to this policy? -- Zsero (talk) 16:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Responded on user talk page, -- Avi (talk) 18:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

• One more: File:Rabbi Myers.jpg appears to be dupe of File:Rabbi Boruch Myers.jpg according to Google's cache? ninety:one (reply on my talk) 19:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if there's such a policy, but there's an essay, WP:CHILD. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 20:01, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

That's precisely my point. It's an essay, and has no standing. If Avi had said he'd acted on his own discretion, because after due consideration he'd decided it was against WP's interest to include the information and photo, that would be one thing. But he cited a policy I've never heard of, so I'm interested in seeing it. Why does everything have to be seen as a battle? -- Zsero (talk) 20:07, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for handling this. After I logged off last night (this morning), I realized I should have sent a message to the oversight mailing list requesting that the page's edit history be blanked. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 20:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but maybe Avi was using the word "policy" to refer to a standard operating procedure by oversighters which might not have been formalized (yet) as a written policy. I think there's an unwritten rule on Misplaced Pages that there are some unwritten rules. "Misplaced Pages does not employ hard-and-fast rules" (procedural policy Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines). ☺Coppertwig (talk) 20:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

C-Twig said it better than I did. We on the oversight list deal with these kinds of things daily, and per WP:CHILD, will almost always (for legal and protective reasons) remove personally identifiable information about minors. If it is not de jure policy, it is the de facto action of every oversighter on the list that I know of. If you, Zsero, believe that I have misused the tool, I encourage you to contact the ArbCom subcommittee in charge of OS/CU actions or the meta:Ombudsman commission, although the latter may not be appropriate as there was no release of private information--Au contraire. -- Avi (talk) 21:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Again, why does everything have to be a battle? Why so defensive? I wouldn't go nearly so far as to claim that you've misused your tools, let alone to make a formal complaint about it. I am a bit concerned if you acted to enforce a non-existent policy, rather than out of an independent consideration of this specific case. Policies are written and publicly available for a reason: people must be able to find out the rules by which they are to be bound.

I'm much more concerned by your claim that minors are legally unable to release copyrights, and therefore cannot contribute to Misplaced Pages! That is surely contrary to long-standing WP policy! WP has many editors—and even admins—who are minors, and has always had them, and policy as I understand it is to encourage them, not delete all their contributions as copyright violations which they're unable to waive! -- Zsero (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

While wikipedia allows minors to add their own edits, images taken by others do not belong the minor in question and cannot be released by them. Furthermore, edits or photos, even when made by the minor, if judged by a sysop to be potentially dangerous to the minor or his/her family may be removed, and if judged similarly by someone with oversight, may be suppressed. If it makes ou feel better, imagine this as an extension of the BLP policy. Even if there is no page on wikipedia specifically delineating what I have said, it has been the practice for years to protect both the project and its editors, which is, at its core, the duty of the sysops/OSers. -- Avi (talk) 23:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

So how does his photo of his father endanger anybody? -- Zsero (talk) 00:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

That is almost certainly a copyvio. The assumption is that a minor, not even בר מצוה for goodness sakes, does not know what is a copyright, let alone who owns what. Have the father or mother send an e-mail to OTRS releasing the image and I will be happy to undelete it. -- Avi (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

On the file page he said he took it himself. And if minors can't license their work then they can't contribute to Misplaced Pages at all! Do you imagine there is some difference between a photo and any text that a minor writes? -- Zsero (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

My judgment is as human as the next persons. Should you feel that I was in error, please bring it up at WP:DRV. If you do, please drop me a note. -- Avi (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

David Littman edits

Hello,

No, Drzzinfo relocates also to a full article, and not to a blog. It's a pro-israeli newschannel, btw. The info is well documented. No reason to dismiss it. Thank you. TwoHorned (talk) 18:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

CHU question

Hi there Avi. Could you explain something to me? I noticed that on Misplaced Pages:Changing_username#Geronimo20_.E2.86.92_Epipelagic you told the user that some edits could not be re-attributed because the user has more than 25,000 edits. Now I have seen other editors be renamed with more edits, so I am wondering, did you say so because this user's first edits were in 2005 or because of the amount of edits? Regards SoWhy 17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

See the CHU discussion, please :) -- Avi (talk) 18:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. :-) Regards SoWhy 21:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

On a side note, I mentioned one of your actions on Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#Username changes and accounts on other wikis. Regards SoWhy 21:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Already responded to there ;) -- Avi (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Chabad on Misplaced Pages arbitration request

Since you have been kind enough to comment at the unresolved WP:COI case at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/User:Yehoishophot Oliver, you may wish to know that it has now been nominated for arbitration. Feel free to review at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Chabad on Misplaced Pages and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Requesting Arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thank you for your input and patience, IZAK (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)