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Happy editing! D. J. Bracey (talk) 19:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Jason Gastrich

My apologies to all of you on behalf of christians everywhere. It is christian's like Gastrich that make the rest of us ashamed to be known by that distinction. Personally I stopped calling myself a christian a long time ago, I've called myself a follower of Christ for quite a few years now. I am actively involved in the ministry (and I don't mean a web-based ministry) and it shames me and hurts me deeply to see the rhetoric and judgemental-ism that Gastrich is passing off as characteristics of Christianity. If any of you are trying to find the truth of Christ, please don't pay any attention to any edits by Jason Gastrich, he gives GOOD Christians a BAD name. --Icj tlc 17:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Gastrich has quite a history, but don't worry. Most of us are astute enough and have been around enough to know that not all Christians behave as he does. In fact, I'd say that most do not. Furthermore, quite a few of us don't think he's a Christian, at all, and he has serious psychological issues, not to mention issues with maturity. And unlike Gastrich, when I say "us" and "we," I can name names. I'd add that you might expect him to respond to you with something like "have we met" or you'd be derided for criticizing him before introducing yourself, but he won't do that, now that I've pointed it out. WarriorScribe 18:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

vandalism

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Jtkiefer ---- 23:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You have been blocked for 24 hours for personal attacks and vandalism. Jtkiefer ---- 23:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

All right, I have officially been block by an administrator! I guess I've made it now! Just goes to show that if you "attack" a whiny little control freak (User:Jason Gastrich)that he will go running to admin and they will execute their awesome powers by blocking you for a 24 hour period...I wonder if she even looked at my "vandalism" before she blocked me? Probably not, doesn't matter cause she's got all the power, and I am just a little 'pedian! Icj tlc 16:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

23:27, 29 December 2005, Jtkiefer blocked Icj_tlc (expires 23:27, 30 December 2005) (contribs) (attacks and vandalism)

Your words

I see you want to give me Christian instruction, but I have seen nothing Christian from you. Can you please tell me about your faith, what Christ means to you, your conversion, and your success in ministry? These are things I like to know from people when they tell me they are a brother in Christ. All I do know is that you were suspended for 24 hours for vandalism and personal attacks on my talk page. Please let me know a bit more about you (e.g. past, present, ministry, personal info, etc.). You can start with your name. --Jason Gastrich 00:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

In case anyone is wondering what this is all about, Gastrich is responding to Craig's comments here. Two things are of note. One is that I have to wonder how much effort it would take to look at the user page and get a name. And two? Well, I guess we won't be hearing Gastrich explain what Jesus would do in this case...

It's all yours, Craig. Have at...and good luck. WarriorScribe 00:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

And, by now, you've discovered that Gastrich has removed your critical comments and those that expose his mistakes from his "talk" page, refusing to respond to any of them.

There are several of, all of whom have had significant experience interacting with Gastrich or opposing him, who agree that he has some developmental issues. He's never quite grown out of certain juvenile traits that the rest of us leave behind during adolescence. That has been apparent during the arguments about the Bilbo article, as well as many that have come before. Gastrich also has a habit of ignoring, deleting, and obscuring facts about his personal heroes (or himself), while turning rumors and innuendos about people he doesn't like (or with whom he has had confrontations) into "facts." His presence on Misplaced Pages is clearly to push his own, peculiar POV, and we've already seen several examples of that. I'm gathering more for my case against him, even as this is being entered on the talk page.

As a Christian, you face a particular challenge in Gastrich, who pretty much believes that anything that he does to advance his agenda is okay because he's "once-saved-always-saved." He's also played the same game with other Christians as he is doing with you; and isn't it odd that you have to show him your Christianity--he sees nothing "Christian" about you. He's already shown that he is a complete failure as a Christian minister, but to dodge that, he reverses the challenge.

Like I said...good luck. WarriorScribe 21:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S., Do let us know if, with respect to the Mark Bilbo article (or anything else, controversial, going on here at Misplaced Pages involving him), he ever answers your "what would Jesus do?" question. WarriorScribe 21:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Stop Jason.

1. There is no "Admin" Bonaparte, as has already been pointed out. Bonaparte is a mediator, not an Admin.

2. NO WHERE did I say I wanted to give you Christian instruction, you are like one of the pharisees that believe they know everything and therefore cannot be instructed.

3. My faith is my faith. That's not up for public speculation or debate by people that consider themselves "ministers" because they have a website.

4. I highly doubt that you want to know my personal info because I am a brother in Christ. You are trying to bait me into an argument as you have done so many times with other people. It's not going to work.

5. I posted no vandalism or personal attacks on your talk page, I merely appologized to everyone you have offended in the name of Christ. In your contorted little mind, you viewed this as a personal attack and ran to an admin. In case you haven't noticed 2 of your "enemies" (WarriorScribe and myself) have recently reverted true vandalism of your talk page by User Bible John.

6. If you really want personal information from me, look at my user page. My name and email address have been on there since the day I created my account. (Which reminds me, your email address is no where to be found, if I want to email you, I have to follow a link to your website.) Also you can find my credentials here...

As I said before Jason, I don't believe WikiPedia should be used as a platform for ANYONE (including myself) to preach there beliefs, you can use WikiChristian or that other little wiki you've started for that. If you want to continue this, I recommend you email me as I will not respond to any more of your messages either here or on my talk page. Yours in Christ. Icj tlc 13:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes is true. I am mediator. And is also true that you are almost near to reach an agreement. Is just a matter of trust. It won't be easy if you don't start to collaborate and to understand each other. I am here to help you to communicate you better. You should try harder to reach a compromise. I think you can do it by starting from what has benn propose on the talk page. Bonaparte talk 19:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte, there is no resolution as of yet, you gave a deadline of 01/02/06. Right now things on that page are peaceful because Jason Gastrich hasn't been online for a while. As soon as he comes back on line, he's going to start his whining again about everyone reverting his edits and going contrary to your "ruling." As far as he's concerned, once you agreed with him on his second paragraph, he won. He has repeated this over and over, and tells everyone that an Admin has made a ruling. Watch, as soon as he logs back on he's going to go in there and revert it to his last entry and than it's going to start all over again. He needs to be booted perm. He does nothing but spout his rhetoric, conspiracy theories, and POV. Icj tlc 20:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Please. You have to trust the other users and Assume Good Faith. Now, please don't worry because I'm watching his moves but you also have to find a compromise. Bonaparte talk 20:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Continued from my User Page

I read your message. Stop reposting it in my talk page. Based on your childish behavior and treatment of me, at this time, I have no desire to talk to you via email. --Jason Gastrich 22:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I guess that's what "Jesus would do." WarriorScribe 22:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. And call his church and tell them about his behavior. This man has filed a mediation request to get me kicked off Misplaced Pages, so yeah, at this time, I don't want to talk to him. I will talk to his head pastor, though. --Jason Gastrich 22:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jason, you might want to take a good look at my name and my head pastor's name, don't they look a little familiar. That's right he's my father and I highly doubt he will agree with you. Especially on doctrine. As far as we are concerned, Jesus came to heal, not hurt, which is all you can seem to do. I never filed a request to get you kicked off of Misplaced Pages, I have reccomended that you be permanently banned, but haven't figured out how to request it yet. Maybe I should look under WikiNusance or WikiBigot or WikiNazi. Icj tlc 23:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Really? That's funny. I don't know you at all and all I keep asking you to do is leave me alone. I'm sorry if that hurts you, but if you didn't want me to avoid you, then you shouldn't be acting the way you've been acting. --Jason Gastrich 23:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have a responsibilty to Christ to make sure that you are not the image people have of him! Icj tlc 23:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Give me a break. If you had any responsibility to Christ, then this wouldn't like like this. Please prayerfully consider doing something online for the cause of Christ; besides bothering me. --Jason Gastrich 23:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)