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Rhetorical verse in Shakespearean sonnet form — noting that when someone knows enough about rhetoric to know where the knobs are, he or she can attempt to turn it down, but not before. {serious smile}

{CoM.001.01} ____ WHEN GANGS OF BULLIES gather, Midnight comes
{CoM.001.02} ____ destabilizing bullshit with her own.
{CoM.001.03} ____ The truth is wasted on the nasty bums
{CoM.001.04} ____ who fill up "ad hoc firing squads" well known ...

{CoM.001.05} ____ ... at ANI — which gives the vile a role
{CoM.001.06} ____ with T-shirts marked "community" to wear.
{CoM.001.07} ____ Decision on the facts is not the goal.
{CoM.001.08} ____ Humiliation is. No, not "what's fair."

{CoM.001.09} ____ Some vague aspersion cast is made to stick
{CoM.001.10} ____ by snowball bullshit that's then packed on top.
{CoM.001.11} ____ Antagonizing target till they're sick
{CoM.001.12} ____ with social blows which no one will make stop.

{CoM.001.13} ____ THEN ChildofMidnight comes and says: FUCK THAT!
{CoM.001.14} ____ (No matter if you're Wales or Bureaucrat.)

I have had tears of joy come to my eyes frying an egg remembering ChildofMidnight in action — defending someone while they slept, leaving them safe from harm until they arrived, and found nothing they needed to do. The horror had past. And by the way, God Herself sent me here to say this, ladies and gentlemen. Have a care with ChildofMidnight — Judgment Day comes ... sooner than you think. {Serious smile}
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AfD nomination of Dutch oven (practical joke)

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Thanks for the notice. I know you weren't the nominator. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:38, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I was quite surprised it has lasted so long without this discussion. What will be will be. I think it should remain, others will differ. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

It's probably best to keep this under wraps for a while. tedder (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

You don't think it should be aired out? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

The AfD rationale really stinks.--kelapstick (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't be an ass. tedder (talk) 22:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you gentlement finished butting in here? How long before the "whoever smelt it dealt it (sic) jokes start? Speaking of which, if there's no article on that subject... ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

←You may find this a helpful addition, taken from the lady's point of view.--kelapstick (talk) 18:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

If you're gonna go there, there's a TV show that mocks a TV show about dutch ovens. Yeah, pretty meta. tedder (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this what goes on at Kelapstick's house ? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

If only we could get that freely licenced....--kelapstick (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Cleveland Athletic Club

The article Cleveland Athletic Club has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

not clear how this might meet notability guidelines. Lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources

While all contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. RadioFan (talk) 02:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

And just as quickly unprodded; quite aside from the obnoxiousness of tagging an article for deletion 1 minute after creation, this was a ridiculous tagging. CAC was inter alia the venue for Johnny Weissmuller's world swimming record, and the building is a major landmark. Did you do even the most basic searching before you tagged this building - the subject of huge amounts of press coverage, both as a sports venue and the subject of a hugely controversial closure - as "Lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources"? – iridescent 02:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, this is what WP:NEWT was all about. Googling is good. Though, admittedly, COM should have put up a bigger stub that shows the importance of it. tedder (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I used the word "historic" TWICE, and I even included a citation for the article! I can go back to saying "very very notable" but that wording usually seems to get trimmed. ;) I'm counting on Lar to expand it. He's even further behind than the Oregon project! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey now! We're not far behind compared to nearly any other subject area/project. It's a good think the "modern" history of our subject is only 150 years old. But yeah, I should start putting "this is very very notable" in articles too. tedder (talk) 03:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

All this trouble would've been saved if CoM just agrees to get WP:Autoreviewer status. It's only pages that show up as "needing" to be patrolled that get prodded in a couple of minutes. -SpacemanSpiff 05:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of autoreviewer either, FWIW. I think 40% of it is due to the short article length, 10% to not being autoreviewer, and 50% is to NewPages patrollers who are tired of the endless crap coming through. tedder (talk) 05:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I mostly refuse autoreview status to spite Spaceman Spiff. Until he agrees to my version of circular reference there will be no respite or reprieve. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

(re Tedder) My issue isn't with the tagging - anyone who's ever done NPP will have made a similar bad call at some point, which is why {{prod}} candidates have to be double-checked by an admin (theoretically anyway - not mentioning names, but at least one admin has been known to run a "delete all" script on all expired prods). My beef is with the NPPer's blatant lie of "Lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources", implying they've carried out checks when they've clearly done nothing of the sort; CAC is from the pre-internet age so most coverage of it is in paper sources, but even for someone unable to check paper sources then 10 seconds on Google would verify that CAC is one of J. Milton Dyer's most significant works, and a major (albeit boot-ugly) Ohio landmark. – iridescent 12:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Assuming good faith I suspect the tag and bagger meant the article didn't have significant coverage in third party sources. But that isn't really true either with the source that was there. Anyway, it was a bad tagging one minute after article creation, but these things happen.

The main thing is that tedder is now responsible for expanding the article with properly formatted references. Oh and I don't think the building looks bad. It has nice detailing. That photo just has bad lighting.

It's tough that most of our architecture photos are just exteriors. But c'est la vie. The facades are of course only a small part of the architectural planning and don't give a lot of insight on the strength of the overall design. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Cleveland pictures

Confused, what do you want me to do? If you want pictures in the Cleveland area, you're probably going to have to find someone else — I live on the other side of Ohio; except for occasionally seeing a doctor in Cleveland, I'm almost never in the area; and as I can't drive, I can't get up there just because I want to. Perhaps you could talk with JonRidinger, who lives one county south and is active with a camera; or EurekaLott, who lives in Cleveland but isn't so active with a camera. Of course, if I'm misunderstanding and you want me to do something else, tell me and I'll try to help :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You can't out someone else by asking them personal information — outing is telling someone else's information, not asking for them to tell :-) I live northwest of Columbus in Logan County. As far as your communities — I was last in Dayton on Christmas (riding on I-75 on the way to Warren County); Cincinnati visiting a relative's grave in November; Cleveland at the doctor's on whatever day I took the Tavern Club picture; Columbus last week, making a stop on a trip by Greyhound; and I've never been to Oberlin. What's the architect's name? Nyttend (talk) 02:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I was in Springfield earlier this week, but I didn't get a chance to go downtown — I'm an assistant scoutmaster with my old Boy Scout troop, and I was going with the Scoutmaster to our council offices on the west side; since it was his car, I couldn't choose where we were going. Believe me, I'm going to go to downtown Springfield when I can; there are several NRHP sites downtown for which I don't have pictures. I don't know when I'd get a chance to get the other sites (except for a few times on I-75 on the way to Detroit, I've literally never been to Toledo), but I'll try to remember if/when I get a chance. I'm hoping that I can get a driver's license before too long; if so, my range will be much greater than it is now, when all I have is a bicycle :-) Nyttend (talk) 03:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

By the way, what's the address for the Cleveland Athletic Club? Nyttend (talk) 03:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

1118 Euclid Avenue Cleveland, OH 44115-1603 There seems to be a major historic street because I think there's a bunch of other stuff there too... Canton McKinley High School needs a photo also. :) A lot of ground to cover! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this means that it's a contributing property to the Euclid Avenue Historic District, which is on the National Register. Wait while I get you an infobox for the article. Nyttend (talk) 04:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Infobox added; can you put in information such as architect, style of architecture, and coordinates? Nyttend (talk) 04:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

See Commons:Category:Files by User:Nyttend and its "Building-centered pictures" subcategory. And yes, the Columbus area is underrepresented; on the NRHP level alone, Franklin County has fewer pictures than any of the state's other major metro area counties except Lucas, and that's partially because I've contributed some for Franklin County. Lately, I've been working on something significantly different — NRHP-listed archaeological sites in Pennsylvania. See Deffenbaugh Site for something that I wrote today. Nyttend (talk) 04:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Is "old boy scout troop" the same as "man scout troop"? tedder (talk) 04:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

How do I get photos fixed? Like the Whiskey Island coast guard photo I added to J. Milton Dyer doesn't appear to be by him or to be in Cleveland? Is it possible to edit other people's photos? Not from Misplaced Pages right, but over on Commons? I guess taking something uploaded by Eureka Lot should be taken with a grain of salt? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake. It appear to be right! Apologies to all concerned. Too many windows open and trying to keep track of too many things and confused by the OTHER Whiskey Island (the only one with a Misplaced Pages article until moments ago). ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

(EDIT CONFLICT)

EurekaLott is generally reliable, and s/he knows what s/he is doing. Perhaps the Dyer bit is a mislabelled caption on the source page? Unfortunately, the source page is now rotten, so you can't check it. The site is definitely in Cleveland; it's Coast Guard station on the western side of the mouth of the Cuyahoga River, at 41°30′11″N 81°42′46″W / 41.50306°N 81.71278°W / 41.50306; -81.71278. Thanks for the compliment on the Deffenbaugh Site; but what do you mean about superscripts? If you mean the little numbers after the references (e.g. the ":5" after the citation that follows the phrase "approximately 1,200 feet (370 m).") — that's {{rp}}, used to cite individual page numbers of documents that are repeatedly cited without using a page number. This template allows me to cite a single multipage document repeatedly without having to produce a separate new citation each time I'm using a different page from the document. While the Deffenbaugh Site would "only" require four or five different citations for the same document, see reference #2 at Mummy Cave — the document is used twenty-three times, so using {{rp}} reduces the total number of different citations by more than twenty without sacrificing precision. Nyttend (talk) 05:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yup. She or he was right and I was wrong. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I've wanted to know how to do that somehow, but that seems a problematic way. It should show up in the refs not in the text, especially since I don't think a casual reader would have any idea those are page numbers Isn't ummm.. kind of late out there in W.O.? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

It's an acceptable reference style, and far easier in my mind than having a separate complete citation for each different page number. I don't remember the last time that I saw a page that used MLA parenthetical referencing (my preferred style when writing), and I really don't like Chicago Style (I find the Chicago Manual itself rather confusing, and I had to use it in college way more than I wanted), so I don't feel bound to either one when I'm writing. I add large amounts of new content rarely enough (this spate of new articles is quite unusual for me) that the only time I've ever used it significantly in an article I didn't write by myself was Mummy Cave, where (I believe) Acroterion, the main writer, was thankful for the simplicity that it gave. And yes, it was somewhat late in western Ohio last night :-) Sorry for the needed cropping; I admit that I'm not the best photographer (although someone would disagree), and the day I took that, I was running all over downtown Zanesville trying to get pictures of all the NRHP locations in the downtown as quickly as I could; my driver was getting somewhat impatient by the time that I found the post-office-and-courthouse. I'll take it to the graphics lab. Nyttend (talk) 21:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Mummy Cave was the first time I'd used that style. The article leaned heavily on one 150-page document, so page numbers were essential. I liked it once I grasped the concept, but I agree that it's a little opaque for the casual reader. Acroterion _(talk) 21:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah the page number issue is a problem. I like the Notes and then separate references section for that reason, but am far too lazy to actually implement it. But I support its use by others. :) The photo is GREAT and I'm very glad to have it. Writing about architects and architecture (although there's actually very little discussion of the architecture itself in the sources I've seen so far) if a lot more fun when there's something to look at. Thanks very much for taking and uploading the image!!! There's always a trade-off between a big camera that takes great photos and the handiness of the point nad shoot than fits in a pocket. Your photos look quite good and are plenty sufficient for Misplaced Pages use where they can always be cropped, since many of them could be a bit tighter for our little image boxes. I actually like the borders though as they often give interseting context, but for small images a tight shot is probably best. Anyway, thanks again! Enjoy yourself. Biking is very good exercise!!! If you include the architect as a category for you buildings I find its a nice way to catalog them. But that's my area of interest. :) It does group sets of buildings in a logical way though. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't generally pay much attention to the architects, so you'll almost never find an architect category on an article I've written unless someone else has added it. Granted, my last several new articles have included categories for the people who designed them, but the category is not a normal architect category :-) And you're quite welcome for the photos; I "collect" NRHP locations (even if there's a better picture online, I'll get one or more of a site; for example, I have eight of the Muskingum County Courthouse in Zanesville), so I'd keep photographing them even if the Wikimedia Foundation vanished tomorrow. Nyttend (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

And yes, bicycling is good exercise (I went from Indianapolis to Grand Rapids once with a church group and had a great time), but it quite literally gets rather tiresome after a while, especially if you want to go a long distance. And it's not easy to cross highways; a few minutes before I got this picture, I got a flat, and ended up being stranded for the evening on the wrong side of the Ohio River during a rainstorm, since I couldn't walk back across the vehicles-only Jennings Randolph Bridge. I'm looking forward to being able to go more than about 20 miles from home soon :-) Nyttend (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

(←) Nothing is everything (except maybe everything?). I find a motorcycle is a great way to do wikiphotos- nobody really minds if you pop onto a sidewalk for a minute, or park in a no-parking area, etc. ObCleveland, I stayed in that arcade because a hurricane was blowing a storm up that way two summers ago. Great Magnet at work. tedder (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Great Magnet? For lightning? The architect (John Eisenmann) turns out to be pretty notable. I thought the name looked familiar, but then there were only two buildings listed on the page I was using (which didn't include the arcade...). But the arcade helps establish his notability pretty well. ;)

There seems to be a sizable Jewish population in these Ohio cities as well. I wonder if he was a member?

Oh I just found out he seems to have been the one to design the state flag and some other stuff. He was pretty notable after all. Iw as going to but very very notable, but with just two buildings to begin with I wasn't sure. But as he is now accomplishing more and more, he's getting to be impressive! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You've probably heard of Peter Eisenman (one n at the end, no relation). Acroterion _(talk) 03:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Great Magnet is too made-up-in-a-day for a wiki entry, but it's The Great Magnet is the idea that random events tend to cluster together. In other words, the god of statistics makes everything seem related. Sort of an atheist version of deja vu or "it was meant to be". Wow- it has an entry! Sweet. 23:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Please offer an opinion at Misplaced Pages:Graphic Lab/Photography workshop, section "Crop out pavement" — a cropped image is available for the Zanesville post office/courthouse, and the cropper wants to know if it's satisfactory. Nyttend (talk) 03:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

James Keys Wilson & George F. Hammond

Hey PFHLai, if you're interested I'd be happy to have help doing some DYK noms. For example James Keys Wilson and George F. Hammond. If you like doing noms I have more. :) Cheers. Have fun regardless. No worries if you'renot interested. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure, ChildofMidnight. I'll look into them. Is there any more info about Wilson? Right now, his bio has much more info about the Plum Street / Isaac M. Wise Temple than about him. So it doesn't look right. For Hammond, how about a double hook with the early 20th-century Cleveland landmark Hollenden Hotel? I'll let you know if I can come up with other ideas. Happy typing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 10:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for expanding the bios, ChildofMidnight. Nicely done. JKW is now nom'ed. For GFH, I was thinking of sth like "...that the Hollenden Hotel, designed by architect George F. Hammond, had the longest bar in Cleveland, and provided accommodations for the five POTUSes following Cleveland when they visited Cleveland?" So when will the hotel article be ready for DYK? :-) Type faster! :-P -- Your Taskmaster (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, boy! Am I working up an article??? I thought you were, ChildofMidnight! Sorry, (besides being a taskmaster) I only make hooks in WP.

To me, becoming an architect is impressive. (But that's hardly hook material.) I know zilch about architecture. I go for things that readers can relate to when I make up hooks. I don't know Kent State. Now that I know it is a big university (I am so ignorant... good that we have a long article about it), I'll read up and work on a hook about it. --PFHLai (talk) 13:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't have a hook for GFH & Kent State yet, but I'm glad that you approve of my POTUS hook. Instead, I have a hook for another article of yours: "...that John Eisenmann, designed the Cleveland Arcade, the first indoor shopping mall in the United States, and wrote the nation's first modern comprehensive building code?" Is the article done? There seems to be little biographical info on Eisenmann in his wikiarticle. --PFHLai (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

GFH is now nom'ed. Gotta do it today before the article is more than 5 days old and loses its DYK eligibility.

The J. Milton Dyer article's DYK eligibility expires tomorrow. You may want to add to the article the fun stuffs you mentioned above soon, if you want to nominate it for DYK.

The John Eisenmann article's DYK eligibility expires in two days. So you have a little more time. (Need to merge with John Eisemann?)

• ...that John Eisenmann designed the Cleveland Arcade, the first indoor shopping mall in the United States, wrote the nation's first modern comprehensive building code, and designed the Ohio state flag?"

Yeah, many interesting people in history are missing in Misplaced Pages. We have to thank writers like you for contributing their wikibiographies to the encyclopedia. Happy typing. ... Sorry about the Dallas Mavericks. They're trailing by 10+ right now..... --PFHLai (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Autoreview

Would you like to have the Autoreview right back? I noticed that you'd requested that it be withdrawn, no doubt due to an overwhelming feeling of ennui when you found that it really didn't do that much, but since you create a lot of new articles, it might spare the folks at NPP and would avoid some of the business noted above at Cleveland Athletic Club. It's reasonably clear that you're not going to write articles about your MySpace band, the Most Beautiful Girl in the World, or the Upper Peninsula War. Acroterion _(talk) 19:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

My understanding of new page patrol is that it provides a venue to review and assist the construction of new articles while weeding out inappropriate submissions.

I enjoy having my articles reviewed and improved. I understand the concern that my article creations are flooding the system, so I'm willing to become an autoreviewer if that will benefit the project. But I don't relish the thought of getting special treatment, of avoiding the screening and occasional assistance that additional eyes on my article projects brings, or a diminshment of the excitement that comes with trying to ensure that article subjects survive the tagging and deletion barrage.

If my understanding of the purpose of new page patrol is mistaken, and its just about preventing hoaxes and garbage from getting into the encyclopedia, then I wonder how others will be encouraged to notice what I'm working on and help out? Where does the colelgial collaboration and cooperation come into play?

Again, I'm willing to wear the ignoble mark of an autoreviewer, but if given that dubious status I fully intend to promote as many myspace bands, local stand-up comedians, and weblogs as I can find, especially those of my own making. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe you have to get a tattoo on your forehead, so perhaps it might be best to decline after all. Personally, I tend to look at new pages that interest me regardless of whether they're yellow or white on the page and jump in where I have something constructive to offer. I understand your feelings on the subject, though, and appreciate your food, architecture and Cleveland-related articles (particularly the doughnuts), and your desire to have your writing reviewed. Acroterion _(talk) 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Just think how many fewer editors I'd meet if I wasn't getting all these messages asking me to become an autoreviewer! I agree about the doughnuts. That was some of my finest work. But there are photos coming for cookie salad and glorified rice, so the ringed and filled achievments may yet be bested by my work on Scandanavian American cuisine!!! (And there's a Broccoli salad article in the planning stages... it includes bacon!!!) And don't forget Strawberry delight. To think that there are those who claim all the important subjects have been covered!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Bacon!!! always merits exclamation marks. Acroterion _(talk) 20:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

And every time I see the words cookie salad, I feel better about the universe as a whole. (Also hungry.) GJC 23:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Surprisingly, the actual recipe food itself as prepared accoding to the established recipe is not something I desire to eat. But the concept is fairly awe inspiring. I prefer Willy Wonka's visions as opposed to concoctions buried in buttermilk and and various whipped cream substances. And what's with all the jello eating out there in the Midwest? Seven-layer salad minus the mayo is getting there. Bacon with spinach goes well. And salad frise with bacon is delightful. But no matter how fear inducing thier creations, we must admire the pioneers and innovators. And we all have different tastes I suppose. I'm a big fan of waffle cones and krumkake, so I appreciate the buffet approach to dining, picking and choosing items that I like from each cuisine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't like to eat almost any recipe, unless it's written on rice paper. _matic 01:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

If it weren't for Gladys repeatedly telling me to stay away from ANI, I was all set to add my strong support to the idea of banning you indefinitely. Of course forever might be preferable since you'd be required to humble yourself before me and to beg and plead for mercy with promises never to dare to do anything I remotely disagreed with ever again and to apologzie profusely for ever having deigned to differ from my professed wisdom. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I apologize profusely for ever having deigned to differ from your professed wisdom (however, consider this apology to apply to transgressions both past and future , which will be multitudinous). _matic 01:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of John Eisenmann

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Alarmist FAIL

Enjoy. APK whisper in my ear 23:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You're going to get me in trouble. Am I labeled among the refuseniks? The deniers?

<brace yourself for rant>

Anyone who pretends that the science and the solutions are resolved is a monkey. Seriously. There is a real debate, and it's not just academic. It's about what the impacts of climate change are and will be, how to prediect them and whether they can be predicted, how best to invest in the planet's and humanity's future, and whether attempting to deal with CO2, as opposed to other issues, is worthwhile or effective in any case.

Only a very primitive intellect thinks they already know everything about a subject as complicated as the climate, and only a fool thinks knowledge is advanced by silencing anyone who raises questions, disputes findings, or offers alternative viewpoints.

Amusing photo, slightly. But the earthquake in Haiti, the Tsunami, and the destructive wildfires we've seen suggest that empowering people with education, economic development, and infrastructure should be priority number one. Let the kooks rant on in their ivory towers. They haven't been right about anything yet, including their failure to warn of the impending financial crisis.

If you're going to post random things here, you have to be ready for any kind of response! :) Happy New Year APK. I hope it's a good one for you. Stay cool. Or warm. As you see fit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Broučci

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool. It always please me when I can take credit for other people's work. Good job my Czech amigo! May the lightning bugs guide you and provide inspiration for all your journeys in life! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

You surely deserve credit for your inspiration and collaboration, ChildofMidnight. Thanks for the nice wish :) All the best also to you! --Vejvančický (talk) 09:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Crop of photo of Zanesville PO/Fed building

-- DMS (talk) 15:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

When you have a moment to spare, could you let me know if you're happy with this photo so I can mark the request in Graphics Lab resolved. Many thanks. -- DMS (talk) 05:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Cuisines of the Axis of Evil

I think you would like to expand the article of Cuisines of the Axis of Evil and Other Irritating States up for DYK.--Caspian blue 14:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kyle Prater

Hi, ChildofMidnight. I was glancing through the page history of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kyle Prater and am curious as to why you removed your comment with the words "I don't want to get in any scuffles." Cunard (talk) 01:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a two-way editing restriction for the nom and myself that we are not allowed to comment to or about each other. I don't see how voting in good faith in an AfD violates that, but there are so many trolls and disruptive characters running around, that it's just not worth it. Many of them have been coming after me for a long time, and being constantly attacked and smeared gets old after a while.

It's certainly unfortunate that the article may be deleted (and Perry Jones also), and I feel bad about not being in a good position to help try and keep it, but that's the way things are here on Misplaced Pages. There are lots of things that are messed up that I'm not in a position to do much about.

I also noticed that Grsz voted in that AfD but no others around the same time. It ceraintly looks like he was improperly canvassed, but maybe he has a reasonable explanation?

Anyway, I'm always sorry to see articles written in good faith about subjects that have been covered substantially in reliable independent sources get deleted, but as long as abuse like that engaged in by Bigtimepeace, Georgewilliamherbert and RD232 is allowed, it pays to be careful. I certainly hope that their aggressive pursuit of those they disagree with will be stopped, but there appears to be a cull in full swing of blocking and banning those who don't hold popular views here. That kind of jackbooted censorship is troubling, but I don't know what I can do about it. I've certainly been outspoken that intolerance and censorship is wrong and damaging. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

By numbers, the AfD looks like a "delete", but I hope the it gets closed as "no consensus" or "keep" since I see no policy-based reasons to disregard the ample coverage in reliable sources and delete that article. It's too bad that you can't participate in the AfD as you are a good debater. Oh well. I hope that you can avoid those that cause you discomfort. Best, Cunard (talk) 01:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Michael T. Flynn

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Materialscientist (talk) 06:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

DYKs

I commented on two DYK noms of yours (T:TDYK#Pretzinger and the one immediately following). Ucucha 08:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Interesting Website

Hi CoM! I came across this site today. It has some interesting sandwiches that I've somehow missed in my travels. Shinerunner (talk) 00:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks shine. I like that list and the picture. I have enjoyed the torta and the banh mi out here. They are very good indeed. Last night it was pulled pork with a mayo-free slaw. Mmmmmm. And Frito nachos with beans, cheese, and more pulled pork. Aaaaaaahhhh. I ate too many pickled jalapenos though. Be glad you're not in the same room with me! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, I'm glad too. Pulled pork...hmmm...A sad thing happened today: a colleague walked into my office and mistook my Frank's Red Hot for Tabasco sauce. What is this world coming to? Drmies (talk) 21:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal

After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;

• gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and

• ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA/2

Just a quick reminder that the Second Great Misplaced Pages Dramaout has begun. Please log any work you do at Misplaced Pages:The Great Misplaced Pages Dramaout/2nd/Log. Good luck! --Jayron32 02:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Loose ends

There was nothing in Mutual Home & Savings Association Building that wasn't already in Liberty Tower (Dayton), so I simply redirected Mutual to Liberty and added an improved infobox. Nyttend (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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Arlington Hotel

No, the hotel is gone; the building in the center of the picture now occupies 722 Main Street. See its Ohio Historical Society profile page for a photo. Having walked along Main Street from the Y Bridge (where the numbering begins) to St. Nicholas' Church (in the 900 block), I can assure you that the building in the OHS picture is no longer in existence. Nyttend (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

This is common in downtown Zanesville, unfortunately — of the 25 NRHP listings downtown, 4 are destroyed; all 3 of the others have been converted into parking lots. By the way, you may have more pictures available than you expected: I just realised that I'd forgotten to add several pictures to the list that I took on the same day. Nyttend (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could upload the OHS picture under fair use? It's surely no more replaceable than a photo of a dead person. Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pretzinger

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NW (Talk) 00:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for George J. Wimberly

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NW (Talk) 00:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/ChildofMidnight

Has hit the thirty day mark and is awaiting a closing admin or other neutral party. If you have anything you'd like to add, now is the time. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

• Note; I have made a motion on the talk page to nullify the RfC. -- Proofreader77 02:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

RfC closed

I have closed the RfC and posted a summary here. I hope this can be productive and that positive change will come because of it. Please let me know if you have any questions. I'm now watching this page for any reply. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a very poor close because you ignored a great many comments made there in good faith and you completely disregarded my own response. It appears you have an axe to grind or at least a strong opinion of your own. You also ignored the trolling, personal attacks, and buffoonery engaged in by Tarc, Phgustaff, Sceptre and MagnificentCleankeeper, the type of abusive behavior our dispute resolutions processes are meant to address. Very poor showing. Incompetent, unconstructive, biased and unhelpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Daniel Christensen/Row crop

What do you think of that article? I got started on it and User:Royalbroil got interested in it when I made a red link to row crop and found a whole bunch of sources for me. I was surprised at how much info there was; when I did a quick little Google search for sources I found none really but the definitions.

I had completely forgotten about Google Book results and will now do some searching for some other potential articles I could find no sources for! Daniel Christensen (talk) 14:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a very good article: well illustrated and informative. It's not a subject I know a lot about so I was interested to read it. Godo job. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

You have used the code word

http://rotteninlarimer.blogspot.com/2008/07/sheriff-announces-new-weight-loss.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberonfitch (talk • contribs) 01:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

signing interrupted by out-of-doors-escapades-i.e.-hound-on-the-loose Oberonfitch (talk) 01:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that repeatedly pushing a boulder up a hill, only to have it roll back down again, is likely to bulk a person up rather than slim them down. I suppose it's a lot better than drinking cherry coke on the couch, but as with doing lots of squats and low reps with lots of weight at the gym, I'm not sure it's the best approach for a trim physique. What about a more balanced cardio approach? Instead of "running for Arbcom" we could have them RUN for Arbcom. I want to point out that since I started editng Misplaced Pages regularly I've quickly developed great strenght and stamina so that I'm now in the best shape of my life. Sitting here typing has prepared me to meet any challange, especially marathon running, team sports, and mountain climbing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if the bulking up aspect is addressed in the myth. However, I've found that maintenance of a growing watch list has been a great weight reducer. Who has time to shop when trying to piece together the intricacies of the 2010 Disappearing BLP Invitational? I'm down to a few gluten free foods...and then, I'm thinking of trying canine if he runs away again at night. (Joking, of course. Guinea Pigs first.)  ;-) Oberonfitch (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

DBLPI? Not bad. But officially it's known as UBOM, the Unmitigated or Unreferenced (depends who you talk to) Biography Obliteration Movement. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice

I'm watching the Unwrapped episode on bacon right now. Man, thick slices of bacon, deepfried and then grilled, unbelievable. Drmies (talk) 04:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced biographies

There is some important discussion and polling of views at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people that people might want to have a look at. There is a proposal to delete all unreferenced BLPs "on sight". ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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RE: Jokes

See, I removed my response to you immediately because humour is something subjective and I didn't want to be so dismissive about a mere joke, especially after checking you page (Ich bin ein Berliner, really?! ;-) Hekerui (talk) 09:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Burns night approaches

Time to gather the wee ones and boil them up!

Early Burns supper night before last, complete ceremony: the pipers pipin', lassies dancin', the cuttin' o' the haggis, Burns recitals, tasty haggis and roast beef, topped off with a nice flight of scotches from lowlands to highlands. Och, laddie! Geoff 17:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Those look like brussel sprouts. Are you sure you weren't duped? I just had a beef stick from Minnesota. Pretty tasty! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought you'd enjoy this YouTube video.

link Grundle2600 (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible photo

I'm up in Cleveland at the moment; if my driver says that it will work, I'll try to get a picture of the old Walker and Weeks office on Carnegie Avenue as I'm leaving. Nyttend (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Blocked

I have been blocked for responding to KimDabelsteinPetersen's ongoing assaults on Global Warming skeptic articles. I stated that:

Exposing your arguments as being specious and hypocritical is entirely relevant to stopping the BLP violating assaults that you and Connolley and others in your cabal have carried out. If you're serious about the sourcing standards that you're arguing for, then please apply them equally to all articles in this topic instead of gunning for subjects that you disagree with. You behavior is entirely inappropriate and enormously damaging to Misplaced Pages.

The issue was the repeated removal of large sections of sourced content, reverted by several editors. The deletion included removal a statement that Lawrence Solomon is a columnist for the National Post.

I have no idea why Stephan Shulz, Dabelstein, and Will Connolley have been allowed to continue their POV pushing rampage and are free to continue their efforts to disparage those they disagree with by the smearing them in their biographies. I have no objection to the inclusion of properly sourced criticism, but their use of innuendo, and specious arguments for gutting content and coattracking smears is unacceptable. It is very ironic that at a time when a deletion rampage against unreferenced biographies is going on these editors and their admin allies are allowed to violate our core principles and continue to abuse wikipedia for propaganda purposes.

I would also note that I was given no warning and no opportunity to amend my comment, if in fact there is soemthign objectionable in it. If someone felt it was inappropriate I would be happy to address that. But once again we have tool abuse by incompetent and dishonest admins who see themselves as being above the rules. It's grotesque. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Block

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Your comments on talk:Lawrence Solomon have been simply disruptive editing and personal attacks/ harassment. You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours. It appears from your block record that you have had similar problems previously. I would suggest after this block is over that you be more careful with your editing, refrain from attacking other editors and strive to be constructive in your editing. Vsmith (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Articles in the topic area of climate change are under general sanctions due to continued disruptive editing

Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Lawrence Solomon, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/Climate change probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is any problem with your edits. Thank you. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

The above block does not invoke the probation, but please be aware when it expires to be especially careful in that topic area. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)