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Montenegrin language

Rave, Montenegrin is not ISO-recognized language, so Misplaced Pages agreed earlier in the consensus that until that occur, Serbian remain, as Montenegrin language is officially regarded as Serbian language version. Language is official in Montenegro, but until it is internationally recognized as new language (like Croatian did), it shouldn't be placed on wiki. That is the reason why Montenegrin language Misplaced Pages was denied! Please, don't place Montenegrin language tags in articles, as those edits will be reverted. If i can help you in any kind, or if i can answer some of your questions, ask me!! :) Also, if you want to change this, only possible way is to place long lasting request on the Montenegro talk page, and make another consensus. Što se mene tiče, ja bi najviše voleo da svako dobije svoje, tako da možeš od mene tražiti pomoć. Ja sam tu da ti pomognem. P.S. Pogledaj članak o Skadarskom jezeru, i ostavi komentar na stranici za razgovor. Predložio sam nešto...

Puno pozdrava, i Srećan Badnji Dan. :) --Tadija (talk) 12:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

But I want to see where Misplaced Pages agreed as it can't be agreed by one person. Why we can't put it as Cyrillic only like some articles had? A da, Srecan Bozic, Nova Godina .... :D. Rave92 22:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Rave, i didn't know you answered, next time leave me on talk page this note:

So i can respond on your talk page. It's a bit late now, i will find it for you, as i dont remember where i read that information, but don't worry, tomorrow, or day after that, i'll send you a link! We can even talk to some other admins, they will remember. Be good! --Tadija (talk) 23:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, because I suggest adding Cyrillic on pages about Montenegrin cities, and leave Montenegrin language on other Montenegrin related topic. We can't go against official language, and ISO code is just formality as language is learned and spoken in Montenegro. I mean, even the government is using it. Rave92 18:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, but if you just place Cyrillic, that will lead to Cyrillic alphabet, and there is bunch of Unicode ranges, so i really think that the best thing to do is to write on Talk:Montenegrin_language with that question.

Misplaced Pages Language subcommittee is your best address. They say that ISO 639-1 that Montenegrin don't have is one of the main reasons that Montenegrin Wiki has been rejected. ISO code is by far more then just formality.

I would propose to you to read those.

• Montenegrin Misplaced Pages
• Montenegrin Misplaced Pages II

And here you will see a lot of much older and internationally more recognized languages that are not accepted on en wiki. Be good --Tadija (talk) 18:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

No, you didn't understand me. I am not talking about Montenegrin Wiki. I am talking about Montenegrin language on Wiki articles. Admins didn't have anything against Montenegrin language, just some don't know anything about Balkans and want to interfere into those things. 90% Montenegrin articles have Montenegrin language only and Admins don't have anything against it. That's why your edits were reverted. You got confused with Montenegrin Wiki and Montenegrin language. It's not the same thing. Cheers! Rave92 18:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I know, by that things i told you, there should be no Montenegrin language in Misplaced Pages. In any articles. That's what am i telling you. Montenegrin wiki was rejected because of Montenegro language. Those two are the same. As i told you, talk to other admins, they will advice you. --Tadija (talk) 22:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Separate wiki isn't the same as having Montenegrin language on articles, and requests for Montenegrin Wiki was 2 years ago or more, when it wasn't even an official language. Rave92 11:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to tell you that if language was rejected on wiki request, it shouldn't be used in articles at all. It is connected. Try for new request. I will agree with new language only if Misplaced Pages request is fulfilled. That will help! Be good... --Tadija (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

1RR

I saw your post on ANI and responded to it. I'm thinking that based on your recent behavior, the 1RR restriction that I imposed on you might not be necessary at this point. I'm hoping that I could remove it and your behavior wouldn't change. Do you think this would work? Toddst1 (talk) 06:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what do you think? To remove that I can revert more then once or...? Rave92 11:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, you would be able to revert more than once, but you really shouldn't - just like I'm not supposed to. Basically, what I'm seeing is constructive engagement on your part and willingness to seek dispute resolution instead of edit warring. You got to this point with the 1RR in place and you seem to be doing really well. My thoughts are if we removed the 1RR, I suspect you could continue operating like you do now and stay out of trouble.

If I removed the 1RR, you wouldn't have the cloud of a sanction over your head, but it's not a license to return to edit warring. You're dealing with some highly emotional topics but the maturity with which you seem to be dealing with them lead me to believe that the 1RR sanction isn't necessary (any longer). If I were in your shoes, I would accept the removal of the 1RR sanction, but I would still limit myself to 1RR - the difference is that you wouldn't be in fear of being blocked. It's an offer of trust. Toddst1 (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I accept it. Also, can you please help with dealing with language issue on noticeboard? Thanks once again! Cheers. Rave92 18:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I have removed the 1RR on your account and recorded it in both your block log and in this section of ARBMAC. Please don't make this look like a foolish move on my part.

Unfortunately, I don't have a perspective on what should be done with the language issue. I don't have domain knowledge or even context. However, I suspect you'll have difficulty reaching consensus as this is a highly contested issue and I expect that will have to take it back to RFAR. I strongly support your efforts in resolving this in such a constructive manner, as I mentioned on ANI. Please be patient and work through the process. I'll be more than happy to help enforce whatever the consensus or ruling becomes. Best of luck and thanks for your cooperation. Toddst1 (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I hope if we reach the consensus, you will help us keeping it that way on Misplaced Pages, as some probably won't know about it and vandalize the articles once again. Best regards. Rave92 23:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Re:MNE Wiki Project

I don't see the need to delete less active members, since everyone's help is appreciated, but you are welcome to update the project page, since it's really outdated. I'll help you with that, but don't have time to get to it right away, maybe in a few days or so. Sideshow Bob 11:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The same is for me. I am not sure what we could do to make it better? Maybe to add Task and those? Rave92 12:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Milan Roćen

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Milan Roćen. Our verifiability policy requires that all content be cited to a reliable source. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. Rave92 11:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Email

I was going to send you one, but you have email disabled. If you want to have the email functionality without giving away your personal email, consider getting a gmail account. I have one for purely wikipedia purposes which allows me communicate with other users while retaining my privacy.--Terrillja _talk 18:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but I don't think I would check that E-mail so often :/. I can change it so you can send me E-mail? Rave92 18:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

More info is here, you can also just use your regular email, however people would then see your email when you reply or if you send them an email though the wikipedia interface (if they send you an email, your address is not known unless you reply). I have Apple Mail, so my email program can download from as many accounts as you have. If you choose not to, that's fine, it's just nice to have when discussing things which could further inflame tensions if discussed in the open.--Terrillja _talk 19:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I turned it on so please just send me message to see your E-mail and then I will answer you. Rave92 19:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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What is your opinion? Share with us!

We are having problems to reach a stable consensus about removal of visa-free sections from the Passport articles. Please share your opinion with us here: Talk:Passport and here: a request for mediation Thanks. --Ozguroot (talk) 15:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)