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Talk:Harvey Dorfman

A recent rollback of yours restored libellous material to this page (it has now been deleted). This is a really serious issue. To encourage you to slow down when patrolling recent changes, I've removed the rollback right from your account. This is intended to be temporary and I intend to restore it in a few days. Stifle (talk) 11:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any record of what I may have allegedly done wrong, since it has been convienently erased from the record. I can't even defend myself at ANI, which I plan to try anyway.--Jojhutton (talk) 11:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You did a rollback of someone who blanked libellous accusations from the talk page. Stifle (talk) 11:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

If you wish to take it to ANI, please do, and I will defer to the consensus there (and hereby authorize any admin who feels that your rollback right should be restored to restore it without reference to me). For admins' convenience, this is a link to the rollback in question. Stifle (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Its at ANI now, but the question is, how was it removed before I rolled it back?--Jojhutton (talk) 12:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Someone blanked it, and you restored it. Stifle (talk) 12:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Was there an edit summery on the deit before mine?--Jojhutton (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

It was an AES, "(←Blanked the page)". That being said, you can't simply indiscriminately roll back blankings, sometimes pages are blanked - even by newbies - for good reason. I don't see an issue restoring rollback if you take care in the future to ensure what you are restoring isn't problematic. –xeno 12:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

the problem still remains, for me at least, that blanking pages without an edit summery is wrong. The other problem is that I still have no clue as to what was restored, nor will 95% of the wikipedians who viwe this thread. Seems like I'm being led to my slaughter, without even knowing why. Hard to defen myself against invisible charges.--Jojhutton (talk) 12:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You restored a highly libelous BLP violation that was blanked without edit summary and let the automate warning against page blanking on the talk page of the user who did blank it. And at the risk of making unfounded assumptions, you most probably saw the automated message "Blanked the page" and reverted without checking.

It happens, but at this stage, you might consider switching to "Oops, I completely missed that one, I'll be more careful in the future" rather than playing the victim of an admin cabal and blaming it on the user who blanked a BLP violation, regardless of edit summary usage. Just my 2 cents of course. MLauba (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I can see myself doing something like this, as obviously it seems suspicious. But I would definitely have been chagrined had I readded libellous material. No, you may not see what that material is now as it is... libellous! I can assure you that it won't be readded, ever. I think that it would be a good idea to follow MLauba's suggestion and admit it was a mistake. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 15:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

←Just to let you know User:Tanthalas39 has restored your rollback. Stifle (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back to the squeegee. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 00:57, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Although I am grateful to get the rollback tool back, I feel that I have one more thing to say.

In the past few days I have recieved several personal e-mails from various admins on this site. Although the text of each e-mail was different, the idea of them all was the same. They all seemed to think that I should just admit that I made a mistake and apologize. One of the e-mails, although cordial in its wording, was threatening in its nature. Demanding that I admit I was wrong or else I may have difficulty in the future.

I have only one thing to say to those out there who want me to admit that I made a mistake. How can I acknowledge that I did anything wrong, when I can't even see it? This is not like most mistakes that some may make on wikipedia, where a user is shown a thread, and they can look at it, and see where they went wrong. No this is much different. This is more like someone telling me I did something wrong, then when I ask what I did, I'm told that they can't tell me, but trust us you were wrong. I wouldn't expect anyone in the world to admit to anything like this, especially in this manner, on or off wikipedia. I know that wikipedia isn't a court of law, but I am still a human being with the same feelings and emotions as anyone else.

Others have argued that I just reverted the page without looking at it. That I somehow blindly rolled back a page, just because I misunderstand how rollback works. This too is false, but it is impossible for me to defend against these particular accusations, since again, I can't see the thread.

I no longer feel that I can fairly justify what happened, so I have decided to take a different road and practice a form of Passive resistance.

This is why I have decided to silence myself for a full week. Mostly out of the content of many of the e-mails that I recieved, and secondly out of the fact that many want me to admit to doing something wrong, that I can't even verify happened.

I am not doing this to be bitter. I am not bitter, although many may see this as so. Actually I feel really good about myself right now, but I am doing it to show how wrong it is to silence users who are somehow guilty, even when the evidence can't be seen.

I hope to be back in a week. I may come back with a vengence, or I may go out with a whimper. Either way, it is clear that I am not wanted at this time, so thanks for those who supported me, and see you all in a week.--Jojhutton (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship

Your page history will show that I asked you to be a mentor in late January -- see diff. Please construe it as meaningful that I renew my earnest invitation now. In a context established by the 2005 Nobel Prize in Economics, you point-of-view is wanted.

This is a time for hortatory concepts. Do you know this one?

"I am only one, but I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do something.

I must not fail to do the something that I can do."

If Wikiquote:Helen Keller#Misattributed is to believed, then I am not alone in linking these words with Helen Keller. The salient question becomes this: Does precise attribution matter in the context of a teachable moment? No – not always.

Even if you decide to abandon other Misplaced Pages activities, please consider joining the mentorship group I'm tying to create. Core policies are the tools at hand; and if you agree to help connect the dots, it could benefit more than me.

In today's context, perhaps a sentence I posted in December will seem revealing:

"Among a prospective mentor's many burdens, the most difficult would involve (a) helping me discern why or when I should apologize or (b) helping me to explain why or when I will not apologize in a wiki-context -- see diff.

I can offer an on-topic writing sample? As you think about agreeing to join a mentorship committee, please review Patrick Lennox Tierney#Showa apology rebuffed. As someone living in San Diego County, it may interest you that Tierney was involved in the reconstruction of the Japanese Garden in San Deigo's Balboa Park.

If you please, contact me by e-mail or on my talk page. --Tenmei (talk) 15:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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Unnecessary

The Brett Favre comment referring to Radiopathy was unnecessary: there's no need to pile on and the comment has no bearing on the matter at hand. Radiopathy has his issues, but he is free to retire and unretire as often as he wants. Given you've got a brief retirement in your recent history, I'd think you would understand. — John Cardinal (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Not that I care either way, but when did I retire and unretire?--Jojhutton (talk) 18:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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