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== Blocked == |
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: <small>The user that started the thread (]) was indefinately blocked for continued disruptive editing here (]) and elsewhere immediately after his prior 12-hour block expired.</small> |
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<div class="user-block"> ] You have been '''] indefinitely''' from editing for {{#if:continuous disruptive and tendentious editing|'''continuous disruptive and tendentious editing'''|repeated ]}}. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our ] first. {{#if:yes|]] 21:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)|}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block3 --> |
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Misplaced Pages is ]. Per your continued use of this page in that format, this page has been ] and locked. You may ] by mailing your unblock request to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org. — ] 14:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:Protection lifted after email exchange with NeptuneRover. — ] 04:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC) |
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==== Riddle of the Sphinx? ==== |
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Were {{BASEPAGENAME}} to solve the Riddle of the Sphinx, or a similar modern-day conundrum by making sense of it, could he be released from his indefinite block? How about ]? --] (]) 05:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Personally, I think ] makes a whole lot of sense, perfect sense, and I can't believe it's just me! Why does stuff always have to make sense just to me? --] (]) 09:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:An unblock will be predicated on recognizing the causes for the block and avoidance of them from here out. Riddles are not involved. Neptune, I'll note that I'm receiving multiple questions about why I've unlocked this talk page since you apparently have no interest in attempting to edit productively. Unless something changes, I'm guessing this page will be relocked within the week. — ] 16:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::I would support a block (and content wipe) of both this and the corresponding User: page. NeptuneRover needs to understand that his time at Misplaced Pages is over and continuing to stir up controversy and grief - even at the level of just this page - is finished. He also needs to know that he's on my personal email blocklist so he can stop spamming me personally too because it's all going into the trashcan without me ever needing to see it. ] (]) 21:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I too have seen enough...I AGF, but only up to a point. Time to move along and find somewhere else to play. Lock this page and move on. ] (]) 21:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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All you had to say was no. What did I do wrong? I didn't use the unblock template to ask that question. What I wrote is not something forbidden on Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 23:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC) |
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== Inappropriate behavior == |
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(the edit summary) is completely inappropriate. Do not repeat this sort of behavior. — ] 17:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:He came by and reverted me for the very same thing he got blocked for recently, and I also found it interesting that he failed to acknowledge my apology while previously he has seemed eager to discuss my behaviour. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I will do my best to avoid future antagonizing edit summaries (even though he's told me to 'piss off' in more than one of his edit summaries--it's not appropriate, and I shall desist). --] (]) 20:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC) |
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I like your reformulations in ]. --] (]) 11:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hey thanks. I know it's sick, but I sort of like working on puzzles like that. The article still has a problem in one spot, but I think I figured it out. --] (]) 22:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::No, it's not sick. You derive pleasure at the same time as improving humanity's knowledge base. Today I was very puzzled at first by finding a NEW user page on my watchlist. But of course, the talk page could exist and be watched before the user's own presentation. --] (]) 09:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Improving the readability thereof, perhaps, one tiny little bit at a time, but all of my original research, it's no good here. ] (]) 07:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Oh yeah, I discovered I was basically already on the typo team, but I needed a user page to flash the badge. ] (]) 07:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Incorrect label of "vandalism" == |
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It is '''never''' helpful to refer to "vandalism" in an edit summary. If it's really obvious (adding genuine nonsense and so on), just revert (or say "rvv" and mark your change as minor). |
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Vandals know what they are doing and will regard a "vandalism" comment as a badge of honor (see ]). If it is not vandalism (like in where you incorrectly accused an established editor of vandalism), the damage can be quite severe (a good editor may be lost). Per ], we comment only on edits and do not inject opinions of other editors (like "identified as possible vandalism motivated by personal reasons" in your edit summary). ] (]) 04:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:I would think an established editor should know better than to remove something from an article while summarizing their edit by saying basically "I'm sick of all this crap, and this has got to go."--] (]) 08:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::It is true that the user you reverted gave an unhelpful edit summary ("this entire article is a piece of garbage, but I cannot stand this idiotic picture and its caption any more - please, someone delete the whole mess"). However, that summary does not violate any rule (it's not uncivil, it's not a ] problem, etc), and the edit (removal of an image) does not meet the definition of vandalism used on Misplaced Pages (see ]). Reverting vandalism is very worthwhile, but it must be done carefully. Please read ]. Finally, even if the edits were vandalism, ] requires us to not comment on the possible motivations of other editors. In your position, I would have just clicked "undo" and added "unexplained" to the edit summary (or perhaps, "revert to consensus state"). ] (]) 09:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I do agree, and I thank you for the helpful direction. Indeed my motivation was likely inappropriate as I was not actually trying to label someone a vandal, but rather send a wake-up call to a veteran editor who appeared to me, at the time, to be perpetrating destruction out of frustration, but it's not my place to send such a call. --] (]) 10:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:I want to also point out that the user I reverted did start a discussion section where they elucidated further on their reasons for the edit prior to making it. The reason is stated as: "This entire article is pure crap, but the dog breed picture has to go." --] (]) 11:42, 13 December 2009 (UTC) |
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And by the way, if it truly is '''never''' useful, as you said to me, then perhaps you could leave a similar message for the veteran editor who I incorrectly labeled as a vandal. One pertaining to the edit summary he was perfectly willing to leave for me, even though he shortly reverted it as an overreaction. Still, his edit summary does all the things that you just pointed out to me as being the wrong thing to do (and he's like an administrator of apparently high rank, so if anyone should be scolded...) --] (]) 01:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:User IP69 and I have pleasantly interacted several times and if I ever felt that some benefit may arise I would gladly provide my advice. However, there are certain difficulties. The major issue is that while the comments made by IP69 were strong, they were (initially) directed at the article and not at any editor. While we may hope that people would always be nice, there is no requirement for that, and Misplaced Pages culture generally appreciates plain speaking (in the example we are discussing, the speaking was too plain and unhelpful in my opinion, but it was not a CIVIL problem). After IP69's edit was reverted as vandalism, IP69 reacted somewhat strongly (I have read the deleted comments on this talk page), but there was no attack. IP69's edit summary on this talk page was strong (and the word "maliciously" is clearly incorrect and is a breach of CIVIL), but if you spend some time reading the drama sections of Misplaced Pages you will see that as a reaction it's mild (particularly since it was redacted). |
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:Thanks for discussing all this very calmly. The culture here is quite different from many corners of the Internet, and it takes a lot of time to get used to it (there is still lots of stuff I don't know about). Please don't be concerned about the tiny issue we have been discussing. The point I really wanted to make is that while we often see "vandalism" used in edit summaries, it really is not helpful. I have made a couple of blunders by accidentally reverting the wrong edit, and I'm very glad that I had learned from someone to not use that label. ] (]) 01:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC) |
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I consider this an awesome paragraph you wrote on the inflation (cosmology) talk page: |
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{{Quotation|"This effect of infinite redshift is observer dependent--- if you fall through the horizon, you don't see anything peculiar happen. The observers that see infinite redshift are those that are outside the black hole. The mushing up of things near the horizon is an artifact of the mathematics--- you don't have an infinite collection of layers of stuff on the surface of a black hole. The cut-off is quantum mechanical, and the principle which governs how to fix the description of horizons so that they don't pile up layers forever is called the holographic principle. The holographic principle is the only known way to make sense of the external description of a black hole. It cuts out the interior, and tells you that the black hole is described just by the stuff outside the horizon, heuristically (meaning not rigorously) you can imagine that there is a planck-scale thin skin around the black hole, and there is nothing going on inside this skin."}} |
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Because what you wrote made sense to me, I'm curious if this makes sense to you: I see the interior of a black hole as being the same thing as the exterior of the galaxy, with the boundary of a black hole being just another external boundary of the 'set' of stuff. Inside a black hole there is no stuff; it's just another part of the ] that surrounds everything. Would mine be a holographic interpretation? Thanks. --] (]) 08:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:: I suppose this response is a little late now. Thank you for your comments. The holographic principle applies where there are gravitational horizons, locations where time seems to stop for an observer at a certain place. This doesn't happen for galaxies. I think your question was more philosophical than physical.] (]) 06:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:::There is no late. Thank you. Philosophical sounds like me. --] (]) 11:13, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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