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	I can understand SlimVirgin's frustration at being challenged over the content of an article she worked hard to bring up to FA status. That does not however excuse her meeting edit-warring with edit-warring or making bad faith assumption about editors who disagree with her (alleging socking, off-wiki conspiracies, or inability to transcend POV , ). The article would not have had to be protected with the tags in place if the offending content was simply removed to talk when it was clear that multiple editors found it problematic. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)		I can understand SlimVirgin's frustration at being challenged over the content of an article she worked hard to bring up to FA status. That does not however excuse her meeting edit-warring with edit-warring or making bad faith assumption about editors who disagree with her (alleging socking, off-wiki conspiracies, or inability to transcend POV , ). The article would not have had to be protected with the tags in place if the offending content was simply removed to talk when it was clear that multiple editors found it problematic. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

			:I would like to note that my comments are addressed solely to SlimVirgin's original complaint about what happened at ] article. I have at no time looked at any of the diffs pertaining to Soledad's edit history at other articles, and if that is the issue here, then a complaint should have been filed on that. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Monshuai

Indefinite Bulgaria topic ban.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Request concerning Monshuai User requesting enforcement Athenean (talk) 23:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Monshuai (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Purpose_of_Wikipedia, Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Decorum, Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Editorial_process Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it See related ANI thread for evidence and community discussion: Misplaced Pages:ANI#Propose_community_ban_of_User:Monshuai Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) Warning by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) Warning by Alison (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) ~~Indef block~~ appropriate sanction under WP:ARBMAC discretionary sanctions rule, recommended topic-ban from Bulgaria-related articles (this section edited by Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)) Additional comments by editor filing complaint At the time of writing at ANI, there were some 10 users in favor of a ban, with only 2 against (one is User:Gligan, who is also Bulgarian, the other is User:Sulmues). Particularly telling is that Bulgarian users alone are 3-1 in favor of sanctions (Tourbillon, Tomatoman, Preslav for, Gilgan against). In response to his claims that he is always polite and has improved from his early days, here's two diffs from right before he became aware of the ANI report I filed . They speak for themselves. Athenean (talk) 18:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested He was notified of the ANI discussion on his talkpage , and has now been notified that it has moved to WP:AE . Athenean (talk) 23:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC) Discussion concerning Monshuai Statement by Monshuai I must cover the allegations against me even whilst I am limited in what I am allowed to say. Future Perfect at Sunrise states that I support the claim that the Bulgars are Iranian (Aryan) and not Turkic. This is patently false! As I stated before, years ago I believed that all theories about the Bulgars' ancestry be included in the respective article, as there did not seem to be absolute consensus amongst academics regarding their origins. I was also under the impression that Dr. Peter Dobrev's (of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) Iranian-Bulgar theory was properly referenced and peer reviewed. However after studying the issue I came to the conclusion that his theory was not supported by a majority of the academic community and therefore most of the evidence pointed to the (Hunno-Bulgar) Turkic theory being correct. In other words, through intense research and education I came to view the Iranian hypothesis that I previously supported as being what Wikipedians refer to as a fringe theory. Therefore I stopped supporting its inclusion and all my edits hence forth were in favour of the Hunno-Bulgar Turkic theory. I have also read about the theory proposed by Dr. Shin Yong-Ha that the Bulgars originally stem from the Korean Peninsula as the Bu-Yeo culture that then migrated to the region presently known as Greater Mongolia. It seems Dr. Shin's premise directly ties to the primary theories about the Bulgars' Altaic (Turkic) origins. In other words, there is growing evidence that the Bulgars stem from central regions of north-eastern Asia. In light of this I was the one that made the edit that the Bulgars are associated with the Turkic Huns and that they originate in the steppes of Mongolia. Further still, I added another constructive edit (removed consequently by another editor) that according to academics the Bulgars were comprised of loosely confederated steppe peoples of various backgrounds. Thus I have shown that with hard work and in-depth research of numerous reliable sources I can not only admit my past errors of supporting a fringe theory of Dr. Peter Dobrev, but more importantly fix those errors! From the start I have stated that all modern nations are composites of multiple ancestral groups, and thus I have always been opposed to the racial purity theories propagated by many other editors. As an example of this, please look into my more recent edits about Bulgarians being an amalgamation of different ethnic groups. I have used the following sources to show this: -Graboïs, A. (1980). The illustrated encyclopaedia of medieval civilization. New York: Mayflower Books., p. 148 -The South Slav journal: 43-44 vol.12 no.1-2 Spring-Summer 1989. (1989). The South Slav journal, 43-44 vol.12 no.1-2 Spring-Summer 1989. London: the journal., p. 4 -Ference, G. C. (1994). Chronology of 20th-century eastern European history. Detroit, MI: Gale Research., p. 61 Now before I continue, my understanding is that Sandstein has told me that in this arbitration case I cannot make direct name references to the edits made by other involved editors on pages where there was a relevant conflict. Thus I am not going to state their names or give links to their respective edits. Continuing on, I tried to reason with the editor who tried to racially profile the First Bulgarian Empire by trying to explain to him that the state was multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. I told him it was inappropriate to do what he was doing. I showed this editor the sources (a few of which are provided above) and I stated in the talk page that "the role of the Bulgars was to incorporate various ethnic groups into their empire. These were the Slav and local Byzantine populations. Since you (the editor) insist that ethnicities be mentioned, then the relevant roles and amalgamation of the various ethnic groups in the formation of the state also must be mentioned." Indeed, this was disregarded by the editor and he continued to push the racial purity perspective. I then researched 20 sources and made them available to everyone. I included page numbers so that the referenced information could be easily found by interested parties. In doing so I tried to explain that it is disingenuous to racially profile a country as "pure" and that indeed there is a difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians. As I stated in the talk page, "the Bulgars were an ancient group, while the Bulgarians are a modern ethnicity that is a composite of several ethnic groups." Please ask yourselves whose comments are divisive, mine or that of the other editor(s). Thus I repeat, I am using credible academic sources to show the contributions of multiple groups to the formation of a modern state. That is the opposite of what I am being accused of here. In addition, I am being lambasted for edits that I have made in the past, while my recent patience and use of sources in the talk pages is being avoided in the discussion herein. It is true that years ago I made questionable edits and even got involved in a revert war for which I was blocked for 24 hours (the only block I have received in 3.5 years of contributing in Misplaced Pages). I learned not to get involved in revert wars and therefore began using talk pages to present sources and intellectually debate various issues. A few months ago I was involved in another long talk page discussion. However after reading the sources provided by one of the editors who was countering my arguments, I realized that his premise was backed by better evidence than the one I had presented. Thus I thanked this editor for his impartiality in analyzing the said source and I left the discussion and article never to go back to it again. In summary, I have evolved as an editor, who both respects and presents credible sources and always uses talk pages. Unfortunately, the credible sources that I presented recently were disregarded by other involved editors (including my accuser) who made false statements about me not providing page numbers, the inadmissibility of tertiary sources like Britannica, etc... There is much more that I want to discuss, however the ground rules laid by Sandstein do not allow me to compose a more detailed defence. I must also say that while I respect Sandstein for originally telling my accuser that I must be given a chance to speak in WP:ANI, I disagree with him for stopping that discussion soon after it began. My hands are tied there and also partially tied here. Despite his opinion on this matter and communicated intention of wanting to rule against me very soon, I believe he is a good administrator and I ask him to look at everything I have recently said and done (both in the WP:ANI discussion and in talk pages) to note that unlike some of the other editors involved in the recent conflicts I do not get involved in revert wars, I respect and propagate the multi-cultural heritage of all modern states, I use reliable sources to back my arguments and I maintain a polite tone as I never use foul language. Thank you for your time.--Monshuai (talk) 12:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC) In reply to Sandstein below, thank you for allowing me to continue. I must ask what is non persuasive? You said you hadn't read everything I had stated due to time constraints. Have you read it now? If so, I am truly appreciative for you having taken the time to do that. I have shown that I do not support the Iranian theory that I am accused of supporting. Also, I have never stated that Bulgarians descend only from Thracians. My edits and talk page statements (including efforts to research sources) show the counter opposite! What I have always maintained is that Bulgarians are an amalgamation of multiple groups, and it is unjust to only mention one of their ancestries to the exclusion of the rest of their heritage. In fact, I only support the premise that modern nations are multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. Have I said anything to the contrary? Furthermore, the evidence presented against me shows my questionable statements from years ago, however it does not focus on the discussion that prompted my accuser to start this process against me. In other words, the user who requested enforcement is the one who is pushing the perspective that the First Bulgarian Empire was racially pure. I was trying (through a number of academic sources) to show him that this is absolutely false. I stated that I do not get involved in revert warring. I've learned my lesson from 2 years ago. That is why I use the talk pages to present premises that are backed by sources. I have also shown that unlike countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq etc, the Bulgaria article lede does no include information about the territory's ancient heritage. Why is that? As you may know, modern Arabic nations are also comprised of multiple ancestral groups just as are modern Bulgarians. The question then is, why is it considered acceptable for some Misplaced Pages articles to include such information in the lede, while that same information is being suppressed by some users in other articles? Why is it OK for many modern ethnicities to cherish their multi-ethnic and multi-cultural heritage, while it is not OK for Bulgarians to do that?--Monshuai (talk) 14:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Monshuai We probably shouldn't discuss about nationalities of the editors here. (well, at least if there's no obvious ganging up) man with one red shoe 01:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by Sandstein A few ground rules, please. This is arbitration enforcement. The purpose of this board is to help a single administrator decide whether they should take enforcement action as requested. Community consensus for or against sanctions is neither required nor sought. There is no voting. Each contributing editor should limit themselves to a single statement in a separate section, as here. That statement should address no other question than whether or not the requested enforcement is warranted. Please do not discuss any other issues, such as the content issues underlying this request, or the conduct of users other than Monshuai (but you may make a separate request regarding them if warranted). There should be no threaded discussion. Disruptive conduct on this board is likely to result in rapid sanctions. Thank you. Sandstein 23:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC) In reply to Monshuai above, you have had the opportunity to respond at length both in the ANI thread and here. I have considered your statements and find them nonpersuasive in face of the evidence presented. Nonetheless you are free to say whatever you believe is necessary in your defence in your section above. You may also reply to the comments of others in your own section. (By "contributing editor", I did not mean you as the person against whom enforcement is requested, sorry for being unclear.) Sandstein 13:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by Fut.Perf. As I said on the ANI thread, I support this request for sanctions. Monshuai is the paradigm case of a tendentious editor; all his edits are designed to push some national agenda of his, often agendas connected to fringe claims (such as the Aryan/non-Turkic background of the ancient Bulgars, or promotion of continuity between ancient Thracians and modern Bulgarians). This has gone on for too long, and has led to disruption on too many articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by Sulmues Strongly Oppose: As I understand it, Arbitration Enforcement enforces a closed Arbitration Committee ruling. There was no ruling at the ANI, therefore, this is the wrong place to enforce a ruling that does not exist yet. In addition, the ruling (had it existed) should not be based on voting but on strength of arguments presented. Furthermore, Monshuai is being accused of not abiding by ARBMAC rules while defending himself in the ANI thread. I really don't find any grounds why he should not defend himself and why he should not have the right to do so in the ANI. Furthermore he fully respected the rules while he defended himself. For the rest, I have already stated my strong support for Monshuai as an excellent contributor in Misplaced Pages, an honest intellectual that challenges the status quo with arguments that undermine weak conclusions of which Misplaced Pages is plenty, and also a person that is much more polite that many users who were involved at the ANI. We need more contributors like Monshuai, not less. You can also see my many long comments in the ANI for what I think about this case and its members. In addition, I request that the additional comment on the voter's nationalities at the ANI as told by Athenean above (and as soon as that is done, also this sentence of mine) be striken out of the record, because they are irrelevant, in addition to being incorrect (e.g. preslav is not Bulgarian). Last but not least: Voting was 6-2 at the ANI, (not 10-2 like Athenean is claiming) and two of the "supports" were indeed "weak supports", whereas one "oppose" (mine) was "strong oppose". Kind regards to all! sulmues talk --Sulmues 14:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by uninvolved editor Loosmark In my opinion the indefinite ban proposed by Sandstein bellow is too harsh. If there is really a need for sanctions then a milder one should be applied giving the editor a chance to reform and edit in accordance with wikipedia guidelines. Dr. Loosmark 23:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Monshuai This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. I have conducted a somewhat limited review (given time constraints) of the very large amount of evidence submitted at . In my opinion, the request has merit. There is extensive evidence of longtime and persistent editing in violation of WP:NPOV, with a view to glorifying Bulgarian ancient history, alleged racial heritage, accomplishments, etc; combined with aggressive WP:BATTLEGROUND-type conduct towards others in that topic area, notably much of this after the WP:ARBMAC warning. This is prototypical nationalist POV-pushing, which Misplaced Pages is not for (WP:ARBMAC#Purpose of Misplaced Pages). In my opinion, an indefinite ban from the topic of Bulgaria (broadly construed, including Bulgarians, Bulgarian ancient history, ancient peoples on modern-day Bulgarian territory etc.) is required to stop this. Unless other uninvolved admins disagree, I intend to impose such a ban in about a day under the authority of WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 22:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC) In the absence of objections by uninvolved admins, the topic ban is hereby imposed as described above. Sandstein 22:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Indefinite Bulgaria topic ban.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Monshuai

User requesting enforcement: Athenean (talk) 23:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Monshuai (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Purpose_of_Wikipedia, Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Decorum, Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Editorial_process

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: See related ANI thread for evidence and community discussion: Misplaced Pages:ANI#Propose_community_ban_of_User:Monshuai

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warning by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs)
Warning by Alison (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): ~~Indef block~~ appropriate sanction under WP:ARBMAC discretionary sanctions rule, recommended topic-ban from Bulgaria-related articles (this section edited by Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: At the time of writing at ANI, there were some 10 users in favor of a ban, with only 2 against (one is User:Gligan, who is also Bulgarian, the other is User:Sulmues). Particularly telling is that Bulgarian users alone are 3-1 in favor of sanctions (Tourbillon, Tomatoman, Preslav for, Gilgan against). In response to his claims that he is always polite and has improved from his early days, here's two diffs from right before he became aware of the ANI report I filed . They speak for themselves. Athenean (talk) 18:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: He was notified of the ANI discussion on his talkpage , and has now been notified that it has moved to WP:AE . Athenean (talk) 23:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Monshuai

Statement by Monshuai

I must cover the allegations against me even whilst I am limited in what I am allowed to say. Future Perfect at Sunrise states that I support the claim that the Bulgars are Iranian (Aryan) and not Turkic. This is patently false! As I stated before, years ago I believed that all theories about the Bulgars' ancestry be included in the respective article, as there did not seem to be absolute consensus amongst academics regarding their origins. I was also under the impression that Dr. Peter Dobrev's (of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) Iranian-Bulgar theory was properly referenced and peer reviewed. However after studying the issue I came to the conclusion that his theory was not supported by a majority of the academic community and therefore most of the evidence pointed to the (Hunno-Bulgar) Turkic theory being correct. In other words, through intense research and education I came to view the Iranian hypothesis that I previously supported as being what Wikipedians refer to as a fringe theory. Therefore I stopped supporting its inclusion and all my edits hence forth were in favour of the Hunno-Bulgar Turkic theory. I have also read about the theory proposed by Dr. Shin Yong-Ha that the Bulgars originally stem from the Korean Peninsula as the Bu-Yeo culture that then migrated to the region presently known as Greater Mongolia. It seems Dr. Shin's premise directly ties to the primary theories about the Bulgars' Altaic (Turkic) origins. In other words, there is growing evidence that the Bulgars stem from central regions of north-eastern Asia. In light of this I was the one that made the edit that the Bulgars are associated with the Turkic Huns and that they originate in the steppes of Mongolia. Further still, I added another constructive edit (removed consequently by another editor) that according to academics the Bulgars were comprised of loosely confederated steppe peoples of various backgrounds. Thus I have shown that with hard work and in-depth research of numerous reliable sources I can not only admit my past errors of supporting a fringe theory of Dr. Peter Dobrev, but more importantly fix those errors!

From the start I have stated that all modern nations are composites of multiple ancestral groups, and thus I have always been opposed to the racial purity theories propagated by many other editors. As an example of this, please look into my more recent edits about Bulgarians being an amalgamation of different ethnic groups. I have used the following sources to show this:

-Graboïs, A. (1980). The illustrated encyclopaedia of medieval civilization. New York: Mayflower Books., p. 148

-The South Slav journal: 43-44 vol.12 no.1-2 Spring-Summer 1989. (1989). The South Slav journal, 43-44 vol.12 no.1-2 Spring-Summer 1989. London: the journal., p. 4

-Ference, G. C. (1994). Chronology of 20th-century eastern European history. Detroit, MI: Gale Research., p. 61

Now before I continue, my understanding is that Sandstein has told me that in this arbitration case I cannot make direct name references to the edits made by other involved editors on pages where there was a relevant conflict. Thus I am not going to state their names or give links to their respective edits.

Continuing on, I tried to reason with the editor who tried to racially profile the First Bulgarian Empire by trying to explain to him that the state was multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. I told him it was inappropriate to do what he was doing. I showed this editor the sources (a few of which are provided above) and I stated in the talk page that "the role of the Bulgars was to incorporate various ethnic groups into their empire. These were the Slav and local Byzantine populations. Since you (the editor) insist that ethnicities be mentioned, then the relevant roles and amalgamation of the various ethnic groups in the formation of the state also must be mentioned." Indeed, this was disregarded by the editor and he continued to push the racial purity perspective. I then researched 20 sources and made them available to everyone. I included page numbers so that the referenced information could be easily found by interested parties. In doing so I tried to explain that it is disingenuous to racially profile a country as "pure" and that indeed there is a difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians. As I stated in the talk page, "the Bulgars were an ancient group, while the Bulgarians are a modern ethnicity that is a composite of several ethnic groups." Please ask yourselves whose comments are divisive, mine or that of the other editor(s).

Thus I repeat, I am using credible academic sources to show the contributions of multiple groups to the formation of a modern state. That is the opposite of what I am being accused of here. In addition, I am being lambasted for edits that I have made in the past, while my recent patience and use of sources in the talk pages is being avoided in the discussion herein. It is true that years ago I made questionable edits and even got involved in a revert war for which I was blocked for 24 hours (the only block I have received in 3.5 years of contributing in Misplaced Pages). I learned not to get involved in revert wars and therefore began using talk pages to present sources and intellectually debate various issues. A few months ago I was involved in another long talk page discussion. However after reading the sources provided by one of the editors who was countering my arguments, I realized that his premise was backed by better evidence than the one I had presented. Thus I thanked this editor for his impartiality in analyzing the said source and I left the discussion and article never to go back to it again. In summary, I have evolved as an editor, who both respects and presents credible sources and always uses talk pages. Unfortunately, the credible sources that I presented recently were disregarded by other involved editors (including my accuser) who made false statements about me not providing page numbers, the inadmissibility of tertiary sources like Britannica, etc...

There is much more that I want to discuss, however the ground rules laid by Sandstein do not allow me to compose a more detailed defence. I must also say that while I respect Sandstein for originally telling my accuser that I must be given a chance to speak in WP:ANI, I disagree with him for stopping that discussion soon after it began. My hands are tied there and also partially tied here. Despite his opinion on this matter and communicated intention of wanting to rule against me very soon, I believe he is a good administrator and I ask him to look at everything I have recently said and done (both in the WP:ANI discussion and in talk pages) to note that unlike some of the other editors involved in the recent conflicts I do not get involved in revert wars, I respect and propagate the multi-cultural heritage of all modern states, I use reliable sources to back my arguments and I maintain a polite tone as I never use foul language. Thank you for your time.--Monshuai (talk) 12:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

In reply to Sandstein below, thank you for allowing me to continue.

I must ask what is non persuasive? You said you hadn't read everything I had stated due to time constraints. Have you read it now? If so, I am truly appreciative for you having taken the time to do that.

I have shown that I do not support the Iranian theory that I am accused of supporting. Also, I have never stated that Bulgarians descend only from Thracians. My edits and talk page statements (including efforts to research sources) show the counter opposite! What I have always maintained is that Bulgarians are an amalgamation of multiple groups, and it is unjust to only mention one of their ancestries to the exclusion of the rest of their heritage. In fact, I only support the premise that modern nations are multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. Have I said anything to the contrary?

Furthermore, the evidence presented against me shows my questionable statements from years ago, however it does not focus on the discussion that prompted my accuser to start this process against me. In other words, the user who requested enforcement is the one who is pushing the perspective that the First Bulgarian Empire was racially pure. I was trying (through a number of academic sources) to show him that this is absolutely false.

I stated that I do not get involved in revert warring. I've learned my lesson from 2 years ago. That is why I use the talk pages to present premises that are backed by sources. I have also shown that unlike countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq etc, the Bulgaria article lede does no include information about the territory's ancient heritage. Why is that? As you may know, modern Arabic nations are also comprised of multiple ancestral groups just as are modern Bulgarians. The question then is, why is it considered acceptable for some Misplaced Pages articles to include such information in the lede, while that same information is being suppressed by some users in other articles? Why is it OK for many modern ethnicities to cherish their multi-ethnic and multi-cultural heritage, while it is not OK for Bulgarians to do that?--Monshuai (talk) 14:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Monshuai

We probably shouldn't discuss about nationalities of the editors here. (well, at least if there's no obvious ganging up) man with one red shoe 01:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Sandstein

A few ground rules, please. This is arbitration enforcement. The purpose of this board is to help a single administrator decide whether they should take enforcement action as requested. Community consensus for or against sanctions is neither required nor sought. There is no voting. Each contributing editor should limit themselves to a single statement in a separate section, as here. That statement should address no other question than whether or not the requested enforcement is warranted. Please do not discuss any other issues, such as the content issues underlying this request, or the conduct of users other than Monshuai (but you may make a separate request regarding them if warranted). There should be no threaded discussion. Disruptive conduct on this board is likely to result in rapid sanctions. Thank you. Sandstein 23:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

In reply to Monshuai above, you have had the opportunity to respond at length both in the ANI thread and here. I have considered your statements and find them nonpersuasive in face of the evidence presented. Nonetheless you are free to say whatever you believe is necessary in your defence in your section above. You may also reply to the comments of others in your own section. (By "contributing editor", I did not mean you as the person against whom enforcement is requested, sorry for being unclear.) Sandstein 13:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Fut.Perf.

As I said on the ANI thread, I support this request for sanctions. Monshuai is the paradigm case of a tendentious editor; all his edits are designed to push some national agenda of his, often agendas connected to fringe claims (such as the Aryan/non-Turkic background of the ancient Bulgars, or promotion of continuity between ancient Thracians and modern Bulgarians). This has gone on for too long, and has led to disruption on too many articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Sulmues

Strongly Oppose: As I understand it, Arbitration Enforcement enforces a closed Arbitration Committee ruling. There was no ruling at the ANI, therefore, this is the wrong place to enforce a ruling that does not exist yet. In addition, the ruling (had it existed) should not be based on voting but on strength of arguments presented. Furthermore, Monshuai is being accused of not abiding by ARBMAC rules while defending himself in the ANI thread. I really don't find any grounds why he should not defend himself and why he should not have the right to do so in the ANI. Furthermore he fully respected the rules while he defended himself. For the rest, I have already stated my strong support for Monshuai as an excellent contributor in Misplaced Pages, an honest intellectual that challenges the status quo with arguments that undermine weak conclusions of which Misplaced Pages is plenty, and also a person that is much more polite that many users who were involved at the ANI. We need more contributors like Monshuai, not less. You can also see my many long comments in the ANI for what I think about this case and its members. In addition, I request that the additional comment on the voter's nationalities at the ANI as told by Athenean above (and as soon as that is done, also this sentence of mine) be striken out of the record, because they are irrelevant, in addition to being incorrect (e.g. preslav is not Bulgarian). Last but not least: Voting was 6-2 at the ANI, (not 10-2 like Athenean is claiming) and two of the "supports" were indeed "weak supports", whereas one "oppose" (mine) was "strong oppose". Kind regards to all! sulmues talk --Sulmues 14:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by uninvolved editor Loosmark

In my opinion the indefinite ban proposed by Sandstein bellow is too harsh. If there is really a need for sanctions then a milder one should be applied giving the editor a chance to reform and edit in accordance with wikipedia guidelines. Dr. Loosmark 23:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Monshuai

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I have conducted a somewhat limited review (given time constraints) of the very large amount of evidence submitted at . In my opinion, the request has merit. There is extensive evidence of longtime and persistent editing in violation of WP:NPOV, with a view to glorifying Bulgarian ancient history, alleged racial heritage, accomplishments, etc; combined with aggressive WP:BATTLEGROUND-type conduct towards others in that topic area, notably much of this after the WP:ARBMAC warning. This is prototypical nationalist POV-pushing, which Misplaced Pages is not for (WP:ARBMAC#Purpose of Misplaced Pages). In my opinion, an indefinite ban from the topic of Bulgaria (broadly construed, including Bulgarians, Bulgarian ancient history, ancient peoples on modern-day Bulgarian territory etc.) is required to stop this. Unless other uninvolved admins disagree, I intend to impose such a ban in about a day under the authority of WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 22:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

In the absence of objections by uninvolved admins, the topic ban is hereby imposed as described above. Sandstein 22:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Tothwolf

result is withdrawn request...
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Tothwolf User requesting enforcement Theserialcomma (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Tothwolf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it # ] Tothwolf has restored an uncivil diff which states "Theserialcomma, you aren't fooling anyone here either. You already know the case was not filed against me, it was filed on my behalf by Jehochman against yourself, Miami33139 and JBsupreme due to your wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system." This is an assumption of bad faith of which Tothwolf has been specifically admonished for by arbcom, and has been restricted from making. per point 9 of the arbcom decision ] "9) It is unacceptable for an editor to continually accuse another of egregious misbehavior in an attempt to besmirch their reputation. Concerns should be brought up in the appropriate forums with evidence, if at all." Tothwolf is in direct violation of this point by linking an old soapbox diff where he gets to rehash his old allegations of which arbcom has reviewed and rejected. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors <Explanation> <Explanation> ... Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) {{{Diffs of prior warnings}}} Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) block Additional comments by editor filing complaint tothwolf has been specifically restricted by arbcom to not make allegations against other editors. his talk page comments, which i removed and he restored, are allegations that me, miami, and jbsupreme, are "wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system". these comments, and especially against these users, are exactly what tothwolf have been restricted from making. we are the users who filed evidence against tothwolf to arbcom, and arbcom restricted him because of our evidence. he is undermining/ignoring his restrictions. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ATothwolf&action=historysubmit&diff=344695703&oldid=344622521 Discussion concerning Tothwolf Statement by Tothwolf Related discussion --Tothwolf (talk) 01:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Tothwolf The crux of this seems to be a wikilink to a comment Tothwolf made back on Dec 13, 2009 here. The sentence the link appeared in, and was removed from, is the second sentence in Tothwolf's talk page intro paragraph: When even ArbCom fails to stop disruptive behaviour, the project is abjectly failing and it is time for me to move on and spend my time on another project. It is sad that the name of the ArbCom case was chosen as it was as that created an inherit bias and may have been a significant factor in it not being properly addressed. I for one hope that I'm completely wrong about Misplaced Pages failing and things somehow turn around, but that may just turn out to be wishful thinking. --Tothwolf (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC) I don't on first review see how this sentence, or that link, violate the arbcom finding. Theserialcomma, please explain the specifics here: How does the link violate the finding. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC) you should visit the diff in question that tothwolf has linked ] which links to ]. tothwolf has been specifically restricted by arbcom to not make allegations against other editors. the diff that tothwolf has restored states "(the case against) yourself, Miami33139 and JBsupreme due to your wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system." claims that me, jbsupreme, and miami33139 are harassing, wikihounding, colluding, or gaming are in violations of http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors . tothwolf is not allowed to accuse or make allegations of wikihounding or harassing against anyone, let alone the people who filed evidence against him in his arbcom case. tothwolf is gaming the system to use his talk page as a soapbox to link to a diff which rehashes allegations that have been rejected by arbcom. this is a violation of his restrictions. no allegations. no casting aspersions. the violation is obvious. he cannot link to diffs that accuse specific editors of harassment and hounding and he cannot place the link on the top of his talk page. this is a violation of his restrictionTheserialcomma (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC) I am significantly concerned that Theserialcomma acted in a baiting manner here, in several ways; see this warning on his talk page (now deleted by him, as is his right). Other uninvolved admin review is called for. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by A Stop at Willoughby The comment to which Theserialcomma is referring (the one including the diff at issue) is timestamped January 5, 2010. The Tothwolf case was closed on January 25, 2010. I cannot see how his comment violated a remedy that had barely been drafted at the time. It seems that Theserialcomma is filing this AE request on the grounds that Tothwolf reverted this edit, in which Theserialcomma modified a comment Tothwolf made on his talk page, alleging a personal attack. First of all, it is hard to see how a mere inclusion of a diff can be construed as a personal attack. Secondly, it is concerning that Theserialcomma performed this edit out of the blue in what certainly seems like an attempt to bait Tothwolf into violating his restriction. He should knock it off, and this request should be closed with no action taken. i can see how this appears like baiting. however, i've been asking tothwolf to remove this comment for a while now because it accuses multiple editors of harassment. the arbcom case closed and admonished and restricted tothwolf for false accusations, so i once again requested the diff be removed. he didn't remove it. i should have gone to ANI and let someone else remove it, or let teh community decide. i see how this looks like baiting, therefore. so i am withdrawing this request and i'm going to ask the community instead whether this is a violation of his restrictions. i don't want to bait him into violating, i think the diff is a violation in itself, and him restoring the allegations, regardless of who removed them, is the issue. however, i accept that this looks bad, and i am withdrawing the request Theserialcomma (talk) 04:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Tothwolf This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. 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result is withdrawn request...

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Request concerning Tothwolf

User requesting enforcement: Theserialcomma (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Tothwolf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: # ] Tothwolf has restored an uncivil diff which states "Theserialcomma, you aren't fooling anyone here either. You already know the case was not filed against me, it was filed on my behalf by Jehochman against yourself, Miami33139 and JBsupreme due to your wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system." This is an assumption of bad faith of which Tothwolf has been specifically admonished for by arbcom, and has been restricted from making. per point 9 of the arbcom decision ] "9) It is unacceptable for an editor to continually accuse another of egregious misbehavior in an attempt to besmirch their reputation. Concerns should be brought up in the appropriate forums with evidence, if at all." Tothwolf is in direct violation of this point by linking an old soapbox diff where he gets to rehash his old allegations of which arbcom has reviewed and rejected. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors

<Explanation>
<Explanation>
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Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): {{{Diffs of prior warnings}}}
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): block

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: tothwolf has been specifically restricted by arbcom to not make allegations against other editors. his talk page comments, which i removed and he restored, are allegations that me, miami, and jbsupreme, are "wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system". these comments, and especially against these users, are exactly what tothwolf have been restricted from making. we are the users who filed evidence against tothwolf to arbcom, and arbcom restricted him because of our evidence. he is undermining/ignoring his restrictions.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ATothwolf&action=historysubmit&diff=344695703&oldid=344622521

Discussion concerning Tothwolf

Statement by Tothwolf

Comments by others about the request concerning Tothwolf

The crux of this seems to be a wikilink to a comment Tothwolf made back on Dec 13, 2009 here. The sentence the link appeared in, and was removed from, is the second sentence in Tothwolf's talk page intro paragraph:

When even ArbCom fails to stop disruptive behaviour, the project is abjectly failing and it is time for me to move on and spend my time on another project. It is sad that the name of the ArbCom case was chosen as it was as that created an inherit bias and may have been a significant factor in it not being properly addressed. I for one hope that I'm completely wrong about Misplaced Pages failing and things somehow turn around, but that may just turn out to be wishful thinking. --Tothwolf (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't on first review see how this sentence, or that link, violate the arbcom finding.

Theserialcomma, please explain the specifics here: How does the link violate the finding. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

you should visit the diff in question that tothwolf has linked ] which links to ]. tothwolf has been specifically restricted by arbcom to not make allegations against other editors. the diff that tothwolf has restored states "(the case against) yourself, Miami33139 and JBsupreme due to your wikihounding, harassment, collusion, and gaming of the system." claims that me, jbsupreme, and miami33139 are harassing, wikihounding, colluding, or gaming are in violations of http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf#Allegations_against_other_editors . tothwolf is not allowed to accuse or make allegations of wikihounding or harassing against anyone, let alone the people who filed evidence against him in his arbcom case. tothwolf is gaming the system to use his talk page as a soapbox to link to a diff which rehashes allegations that have been rejected by arbcom. this is a violation of his restrictions. no allegations. no casting aspersions. the violation is obvious. he cannot link to diffs that accuse specific editors of harassment and hounding and he cannot place the link on the top of his talk page. this is a violation of his restrictionTheserialcomma (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I am significantly concerned that Theserialcomma acted in a baiting manner here, in several ways; see this warning on his talk page (now deleted by him, as is his right). Other uninvolved admin review is called for. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by A Stop at Willoughby

The comment to which Theserialcomma is referring (the one including the diff at issue) is timestamped January 5, 2010. The Tothwolf case was closed on January 25, 2010. I cannot see how his comment violated a remedy that had barely been drafted at the time.

It seems that Theserialcomma is filing this AE request on the grounds that Tothwolf reverted this edit, in which Theserialcomma modified a comment Tothwolf made on his talk page, alleging a personal attack. First of all, it is hard to see how a mere inclusion of a diff can be construed as a personal attack. Secondly, it is concerning that Theserialcomma performed this edit out of the blue in what certainly seems like an attempt to bait Tothwolf into violating his restriction. He should knock it off, and this request should be closed with no action taken.

i can see how this appears like baiting. however, i've been asking tothwolf to remove this comment for a while now because it accuses multiple editors of harassment. the arbcom case closed and admonished and restricted tothwolf for false accusations, so i once again requested the diff be removed. he didn't remove it. i should have gone to ANI and let someone else remove it, or let teh community decide. i see how this looks like baiting, therefore. so i am withdrawing this request and i'm going to ask the community instead whether this is a violation of his restrictions. i don't want to bait him into violating, i think the diff is a violation in itself, and him restoring the allegations, regardless of who removed them, is the issue. however, i accept that this looks bad, and i am withdrawing the request Theserialcomma (talk) 04:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Tothwolf

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Supreme Deliciousness

Not actionable. Nefer Tweety warned not to continue making invalid requests.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
User requesting enforcement Nefer Tweety (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated per Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan: Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. Supreme Deliciousness is limited to one revert per page per week (except for undisputable vandalism and biographies of living persons violations), and is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. Should the user exceed this limit or fail to discuss a content reversion, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below. Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 1st revert, 2nd revert, 3rd revert 3 violations of 1RR. Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy) Warning by user:CactusWriter "to stop editing Asmahan while on probation.", yet SD continues to edit Asmahan (3 times) in these diffs. Warning by user:Lankiveil told SD to stay "far, far, far away from the Asmahan article for the time being, if you don't want this unpleasantness to escalate further", yet SD continues to edit Asmahan (3 times) like this one. Warning by user:Lankiveil told SD to "avoid making any edits whatsoever that could even remotely be considered to be in violation of your topic ban.", yet SD makes those edits in reference to the nationality and ethnicity of persons: like this one, like this one, like this one. This and this warnings by user:Wizardman Wizardman explained that SD should avoid any possible borderline violations, like this one. SD makes the same sort of edits (3 times) to the Asmahan like this one. Sandstein's comment here in reference to SD's reverts. Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Indefinite Block Additional comments by editor filing complaint Supre Deliciousness has made 3 reverts on one day, in direct violation of his 1RR restriction. I ask you to please take action, this time to block him indefinitely, since he has been violating his ban so many times. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Supreme Deliciousness is aware Statement by Supreme Deliciousness Those three edits I made were also at talkpages, not articles, and what I did was to strike out the comments from a sock puppet, there was no content changes. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Discussion concerning Supreme Deliciousness Comment by Fut.Perf. Those three reverts listed above are three reverts on three different pages. According to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan, he is restricted to 1rv per week per page. This doesn't seem to be technically a violation of the ruling, and the reverts themselves don't look intrinsically disruptive to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Supreme Deliciousness Not actionable. I agree with Future Perfect at Sunrise above. Since the reverts concern three different pages, the remedy is not violated. Nefer Tweety, please stop making non-actionable requests, or you may be banned from using this board. Sandstein 16:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Not actionable. Nefer Tweety warned not to continue making invalid requests.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

User requesting enforcement: Nefer Tweety (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: per Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan: Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. Supreme Deliciousness is limited to one revert per page per week (except for undisputable vandalism and biographies of living persons violations), and is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. Should the user exceed this limit or fail to discuss a content reversion, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1st revert, 2nd revert, 3rd revert 3 violations of 1RR.

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy)

Warning by user:CactusWriter "to stop editing Asmahan while on probation.", yet SD continues to edit Asmahan (3 times) in these diffs.
Warning by user:Lankiveil told SD to stay "far, far, far away from the Asmahan article for the time being, if you don't want this unpleasantness to escalate further", yet SD continues to edit Asmahan (3 times) like this one.
Warning by user:Lankiveil told SD to "avoid making any edits whatsoever that could even remotely be considered to be in violation of your topic ban.", yet SD makes those edits in reference to the nationality and ethnicity of persons: like this one, like this one, like this one.
This and this warnings by user:Wizardman Wizardman explained that SD should avoid any possible borderline violations, like this one. SD makes the same sort of edits (3 times) to the Asmahan like this one.
Sandstein's comment here in reference to SD's reverts.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Indefinite Block

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Supre Deliciousness has made 3 reverts on one day, in direct violation of his 1RR restriction. I ask you to please take action, this time to block him indefinitely, since he has been violating his ban so many times.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: Supreme Deliciousness is aware

Statement by Supreme Deliciousness

Those three edits I made were also at talkpages, not articles, and what I did was to strike out the comments from a sock puppet, there was no content changes. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Supreme Deliciousness

Comment by Fut.Perf.

Those three reverts listed above are three reverts on three different pages. According to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan, he is restricted to 1rv per week per page. This doesn't seem to be technically a violation of the ruling, and the reverts themselves don't look intrinsically disruptive to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Supreme Deliciousness

Not actionable. I agree with Future Perfect at Sunrise above. Since the reverts concern three different pages, the remedy is not violated. Nefer Tweety, please stop making non-actionable requests, or you may be banned from using this board. Sandstein 16:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Brews ohare

Brews ohare (talk · contribs) blocked for a week.
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Request concerning Brews ohare User requesting enforcement Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 01:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Brews ohare (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed_of_light#Brews_ohare_topic_banned Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it # , , commenting on a physics-related edit war/content dispute Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) Not applicable Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Block, whatever length is required per the ARBCOM remedies Additional comments by editor filing complaint Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise. Discussion concerning Brews Ohare Statement by Brews Ohare This is another ridiculous action brought against me for no reason. Both evidential diffs are from Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, not on any physics-related page, and neither are about physics. In particular: The so-called evidenciary diff Exhibit A is simply a suggestion about how one might write an article for accessibility, and is an Ann Landers type advice to the writers. The so-called evidenciary diff Exhibit B is a suggestion for cooperation among feuding parties to generate content instead of struggling, another Ann Landers column unrelated to sanctions. Unfortunately, Headbomb has no concept of what is inimical to WP, and simply likes to make trouble. Actions should not be brought where no disturbance or harm to WP is involved. Headbomb should have his head handed to him for making trouble over nothing again and again. The comments made by me are general comments intended to put oil on troubled water, and are in no way physics based, or related in any way to my sanctions. Brews ohare (talk) 06:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Brews Ohare That was not about physics. I will not write what I am thinking, because I am supposed the "remain civil". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC) I find the filing of these reports on Brews and David Tombe rather disturbing and an overreaction to say the least. Strict orthodoxy has prevailed. Congratulations? Dr.K. 10:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC) I find these reports disturbing as well, and I believe this constitutes an abuse of the Misplaced Pages administrative mechanism. Tznikai's more specific restrictions were lifted to allow Brews to modify his diagrams, and previous decisions regarding administrative and off-physics subjects deemed that so long as Brews did not discuss physics per-se, he was Ok. In addition, the timing of this enforcement request smells bad.Likebox (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Very disturbing to see Arbcom abused as a tool by Headbomb to fight an edit war on multiple fronts. Count Iblis (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Note also this. Count Iblis (talk) 17:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC) And here I thought I was alone in condemning the coruption of this topic ban. I hope Arbcom sees we aren't alone. How much longer will you ignore the community will? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC) The Shibboleths of High Orthodoxy have risen to divide and frustrate the will of the average Wikipedians. Dr.K. 17:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC) How many times can Brews and Tombe be punished at the instigation of Headbomb before WP realizes who the real problem is?Clayt85 (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Brews Ohare This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Blocked for a week. The request has merit. The edits were made to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, which violates Brews Ohare's indefinite ban from editing Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages talk namespaces, as imposed as a discretionary sanction by Tznkai at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions. The article at issue is Infraparticle, which is physics-related. With respect to that article, in the cited diffs, Brews Ohare says: "Perhaps, instead of warring. the various parties could try to help each other out to clarify the article. suggesting what seems obscure, suggesting what WP articles can provide details, and finding sources. Having arrived at a formulation that appears accessible, once the outline is clear, the items needing sourcing and the items that are simply exposition will be clearer, and the whole thing will wind up wonderfully", and "Attention should be upon making the article more accessible, by including more explanation and links." This violates his arbitral topic ban "from all physics-related discussions, broadly construed", as well as the even clearer ban from "disputes stemming from physics-related content" as per Tznkai's restriction. To determine the appropriate sanction, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Enforcement by block advises that "Should any user subject to a topic ban in this case violate that restriction, or any user subject to discretionary sanctions in this case violate a restriction imposed by an uninvolved administrator, that user may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 3 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one year." This being Brews Ohare's third AE block, it is set at one week's duration. Sandstein 07:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Brews ohare (talk · contribs) blocked for a week.

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Request concerning Brews ohare

User requesting enforcement: Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 01:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Brews ohare (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed_of_light#Brews_ohare_topic_banned

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: # , , commenting on a physics-related edit war/content dispute
Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): Not applicable
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Block, whatever length is required per the ARBCOM remedies

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning Brews Ohare

Statement by Brews Ohare

This is another ridiculous action brought against me for no reason. Both evidential diffs are from Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, not on any physics-related page, and neither are about physics. In particular:

The so-called evidenciary diff Exhibit A is simply a suggestion about how one might write an article for accessibility, and is an Ann Landers type advice to the writers.
The so-called evidenciary diff Exhibit B is a suggestion for cooperation among feuding parties to generate content instead of struggling, another Ann Landers column unrelated to sanctions.

Unfortunately, Headbomb has no concept of what is inimical to WP, and simply likes to make trouble. Actions should not be brought where no disturbance or harm to WP is involved. Headbomb should have his head handed to him for making trouble over nothing again and again.

The comments made by me are general comments intended to put oil on troubled water, and are in no way physics based, or related in any way to my sanctions. Brews ohare (talk) 06:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Brews Ohare

That was not about physics. I will not write what I am thinking, because I am supposed the "remain civil". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I find the filing of these reports on Brews and David Tombe rather disturbing and an overreaction to say the least. Strict orthodoxy has prevailed. Congratulations? Dr.K. 10:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I find these reports disturbing as well, and I believe this constitutes an abuse of the Misplaced Pages administrative mechanism. Tznikai's more specific restrictions were lifted to allow Brews to modify his diagrams, and previous decisions regarding administrative and off-physics subjects deemed that so long as Brews did not discuss physics per-se, he was Ok. In addition, the timing of this enforcement request smells bad.Likebox (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Very disturbing to see Arbcom abused as a tool by Headbomb to fight an edit war on multiple fronts. Count Iblis (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Note also this. Count Iblis (talk) 17:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
And here I thought I was alone in condemning the coruption of this topic ban. I hope Arbcom sees we aren't alone. How much longer will you ignore the community will? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- The Shibboleths of High Orthodoxy have risen to divide and frustrate the will of the average Wikipedians. Dr.K. 17:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
How many times can Brews and Tombe be punished at the instigation of Headbomb before WP realizes who the real problem is?Clayt85 (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Brews Ohare

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Blocked for a week. The request has merit.

The edits were made to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, which violates Brews Ohare's indefinite ban from editing Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages talk namespaces, as imposed as a discretionary sanction by Tznkai at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions.

The article at issue is Infraparticle, which is physics-related. With respect to that article, in the cited diffs, Brews Ohare says:

"Perhaps, instead of warring. the various parties could try to help each other out to clarify the article. suggesting what seems obscure, suggesting what WP articles can provide details, and finding sources. Having arrived at a formulation that appears accessible, once the outline is clear, the items needing sourcing and the items that are simply exposition will be clearer, and the whole thing will wind up wonderfully", and

"Attention should be upon making the article more accessible, by including more explanation and links."

This violates his arbitral topic ban "from all physics-related discussions, broadly construed", as well as the even clearer ban from "disputes stemming from physics-related content" as per Tznkai's restriction.

To determine the appropriate sanction, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed of light#Enforcement by block advises that "Should any user subject to a topic ban in this case violate that restriction, or any user subject to discretionary sanctions in this case violate a restriction imposed by an uninvolved administrator, that user may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 3 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one year." This being Brews Ohare's third AE block, it is set at one week's duration. Sandstein 07:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

David Tombe

Not actionable.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Request concerning David Tombe User requesting enforcement Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 01:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested David Tombe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed_of_light#David_Tombe_topic_banned, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed_of_light#David_Tombe_restricted Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it # , , and , commenting on a physics-related edit war/content dispute, personal attacks, yadda yadda yadda Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) Not applicable Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Block, whatever length is required per the ARBCOM remedies Additional comments by editor filing complaint Re to MCPrice the first remedy read "David Tombe is topic banned from all physics-related pages and topics, broadly construed, for twelve months". A content war over physics, in certainly a physics-related topic. Also, he's accused ~~Finell~~ The Anome of acting out of "cowardice", which is a personal attack, which is certain a violation of his indefinite general probation, defined as " to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any normal editorial process or any expected standards of behavior and decorum.". Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 05:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Re:MCPrice/Sandstein, upon further review, it is true that David hasn't commented directly on the content. While it's way too close to the fringes of his ban to my liking, especially with his accusations of cowardice, I won't push this. Feel free to close this (or whatever's routine on here). Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 07:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise. Discussion concerning David Tombe Statement by David Tombe Comments by others about the request concerning David Tombe Comment by Hell in a Bucket Blocking David for the truth doesn't make it less true. ~~Finell acts like a coward, and should be called out as such.~~ All one has to do is look at how he attempts to resolve conflicts. he tries to do so by argumentum ad hominem, or simply ignores. I think this is only a straw man arguement meant to accomplish a means. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by Michael C Price I'm struggling to see the the violation by David here. His restriction requires him to be warned first, and he wasn't. His topic ban relates to physics, and in the 3 diffs provided he is commenting on the justice or otherwise of blocks, bans and behaviour. --Michael C. Price 04:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by Likebox This enforcement action is not timed properly--- the accusations are over taking sides in another dispute, and the enforcement request seems on its face to be an abuse of the Misplaced Pages enforcement mechanisms in order to settle private scores.Likebox (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Comment by Sandstein I agree with Michael C. Price. Sandstein 07:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Result concerning David Tombe This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Closed as not actionable per the above. Sandstein 19:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Not actionable.

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Request concerning David Tombe

User requesting enforcement: Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 01:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: David Tombe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed_of_light#David_Tombe_topic_banned, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Speed_of_light#David_Tombe_restricted

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: # , , and , commenting on a physics-related edit war/content dispute, personal attacks, yadda yadda yadda
Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): Not applicable
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Block, whatever length is required per the ARBCOM remedies

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Re to MCPrice the first remedy read "David Tombe is topic banned from all physics-related pages and topics, broadly construed, for twelve months". A content war over physics, in certainly a physics-related topic. Also, he's accused ~~Finell~~ The Anome of acting out of "cowardice", which is a personal attack, which is certain a violation of his indefinite general probation, defined as " to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any normal editorial process or any expected standards of behavior and decorum.". Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 05:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:MCPrice/Sandstein, upon further review, it is true that David hasn't commented directly on the content. While it's way too close to the fringes of his ban to my liking, especially with his accusations of cowardice, I won't push this. Feel free to close this (or whatever's routine on here). Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 07:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning David Tombe

Statement by David Tombe

Comments by others about the request concerning David Tombe

Comment by Hell in a Bucket

Blocking David for the truth doesn't make it less true. ~~Finell acts like a coward, and should be called out as such.~~ All one has to do is look at how he attempts to resolve conflicts. he tries to do so by argumentum ad hominem, or simply ignores. I think this is only a straw man arguement meant to accomplish a means. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Michael C Price

I'm struggling to see the the violation by David here. His restriction requires him to be warned first, and he wasn't. His topic ban relates to physics, and in the 3 diffs provided he is commenting on the justice or otherwise of blocks, bans and behaviour. --Michael C. Price 04:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Likebox

This enforcement action is not timed properly--- the accusations are over taking sides in another dispute, and the enforcement request seems on its face to be an abuse of the Misplaced Pages enforcement mechanisms in order to settle private scores.Likebox (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Sandstein

I agree with Michael C. Price. Sandstein 07:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning David Tombe

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Closed as not actionable per the above. Sandstein 19:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Arab Cowboy

Arab Cowboy (talk · contribs · block log) blocked for 72 hours
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Request concerning Arab Cowboy User requesting enforcement Supreme Deliciousness 22:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Arab Cowboy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it He was banned from all articles and their associated talk pages within the scope of the Asmahan case for abuse of alternative accounts: "If you violate this ban through either your main account or through sockpuppets, you will be blocked." Omar Sharif is a part of the scope of the case as can be seen in its history and also has been mentioned in the arbitration case: Omar Sharif discussion continued from its talkpage to the BLP noticeboard, so that would be an associated page. AC made several posts there in the Omar Sharif discussion: Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) Not applicable Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Block or ban. Additional comments by editor filing complaint Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Arab Cowboy Statement by Arab Cowboy Comments by others about the request concerning Arab Cowboy Result concerning Arab Cowboy This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. My reading is that this is a clear violation of the topic ban I imposed. Arab Cowboy blocked for 72 hours. NW (Talk) 22:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Arab Cowboy (talk · contribs · block log) blocked for 72 hours

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Request concerning Arab Cowboy

User requesting enforcement: Supreme Deliciousness 22:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Arab Cowboy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

He was banned from all articles and their associated talk pages within the scope of the Asmahan case for abuse of alternative accounts: "If you violate this ban through either your main account or through sockpuppets, you will be blocked."

Omar Sharif is a part of the scope of the case as can be seen in its history and also has been mentioned in the arbitration case:

Omar Sharif discussion continued from its talkpage to the BLP noticeboard, so that would be an associated page. AC made several posts there in the Omar Sharif discussion:

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): Not applicable
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Block or ban.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Arab Cowboy

Statement by Arab Cowboy

Comments by others about the request concerning Arab Cowboy

Result concerning Arab Cowboy

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

My reading is that this is a clear violation of the topic ban I imposed. Arab Cowboy blocked for 72 hours. NW (Talk) 22:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

NickCT and Soledad22

Request concerning NickCT and Soledad22

User against whom enforcement is requested

NickCT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Soledad22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate it, and an explanation how they do so

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

This is a request for a topic ban of NickCT and Soledad22 from Muhammad al-Durrah incident, or a revert restriction.

Notification of the users against whom enforcement is requested

Warnings

Additional comments

Muhammad al-Durrah incident was promoted to featured article status on January 25. On February 11, User:Huldra complained about its promotion on Misplaced Pages Review. On February 13, two sporadically used accounts arrived at the article, NickCT and Soledad22, who have very few edits between them; NickCT has made just 170 edits to articles in nearly three years, and Soledad22 217 edits to articles in two years. A checkuser revealed no technical connection between them; see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/NickCT/Archive.

Between February 13 and today, the two accounts have jointly reverted 22 times against multiple editors, removing material from the lead, adding POV tags, fact tags, and dubious tags, and reordering sections. The issues they have raised are being discussed on talk, but the reverting continues anyway, and now the article has been protected on their version by Malik Shabbaz, who is involved in the talk-page discussion, with three tags in the last paragraph of the lead, something no recently promoted FA should have. See here. Given the proximity of the two accounts' arrival to the off-wiki comments, it seems likely that the disruption will continue regardless of any particular content issue. SlimVirgin 18:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Malik, I agree that someone needed to stop the reverting, but I was just about to post a request for assistance on AN/I. I don't doubt that you acted in good faith, but we're not supposed to use the tools in disputes we've commented on. As it stands, two barely used accounts have managed to have a recently featured article stuck with three tags in one paragraph of the lead until March 5, thereby supplanting their own judgment for that of the FA reviewers. SlimVirgin 21:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Statements by NickCT and Soledad22
Statement by NickCT

Wow Slim. Really disturbing. First you claim I'm a sock puppet, now this? This is obviously a bad faith allegation made by an editor who is trying to WP:OWN an article, and is upset by other editors questioning potential POV statements. Apparently, instead of debating and seeking consensus (as the Al-Durrah talk page will show I have done), Slim prefers to mire people who disagree with her in this kind of frivilous arbitration. This is clearly bad faith, and it's the second time Slim has attempted this kind of shinanigans. Can I get somekind of restraining order against this editor? NickCT (talk) 19:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

A note on tagging- I think my tagging of Al-Durrahis inline with WP:TAGGING and specificly Misplaced Pages:Tagging_pages_for_problems#Disputes_over_tags. I noted this when I tagged, and Slim reverted without discussion or explination. I was actually in the process of consulting admin User:Malik Shabazz over whether tagging was an appropriate action. If Slim thought my tagging was innappropriate, should she have not at least explained why before reverting? Slim has trouble playing nice with editors who disagree with her. NickCT (talk) 19:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Again, another note, I promise this will be last. I want to add on to something Tiamut mentioned re understanding "SlimVirgin's frustration at being challenged over the content of an article she worked hard to bring up to FA status". I just want to say that I acknowledge and appreciate SlimVirgin's hard work on this article. I think most of it is fairly well written and worthy of FA stutus. I understand her sense of OWNership over the thing, but respectfully suggest she's gone a little too far in dictating what is or isn't an allowable edit. Also, Slim has repeatidly pointed to the small number of edits made during the lifetime of Soledad's and my account as being evidence against us. Does anyone else share this opinion. I'd respectfully suggest I make up in quality what I lack in quantity.NickCT (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Re Slim's

"have a recently featured article stuck with three tags in one paragraph of the lead until March 5, thereby supplanting their own judgment for that of the FA reviewers"

Slim has repeatidly expressed the view that FA articles are in some sense beyond question. Is this accurate? I think Slim's assertion that FA reviewers agree would agree with her over the current debate is slightly presumptious. NickCT (talk) 21:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

@Radeksz & @MBz1 re Soledad. I do find Soledad a little loud, and some of his edits in bad taste. But I'd point out that on both sides of the current Al-Durrah/Blood Libel debate there have been some pretty dubious statments and edits which have suggested an agenda. (see MBz1's quoting Golda Meir, THF's claim of some Palestinian press conspiracy). I think we're casting stones in glass houses. Perhaps best not to comb through peoples contribs to try and find an agenda here. Let's concentrate on whether there was disruptive editing. NickCT (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Equating "quoting Golda Meir" to Soledad's rancid bigotry says much more about NickCT's agenda than MBz1's. I welcome readers to look at the diff NickCT provided of my talk-page edit, and compare it to his characterization, and then ask why he's trying to throw mud on unrelated editors to distract from his own actions. THF (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

THF - Not sure you are meant to post here, but regardless - I'm not saying it's equal, only suggesting it demonstrates an agenda. And I'm sorry THF but this Pallywood thing is clearly a "press conspiracy theory". NickCT (talk) 00:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Malik Shabazz

I sincerely apologize to SlimVirgin for protecting The Wrong Version, but somebody had to stop the edit-warring. For what it's worth, I agree that Featured Articles shouldn't have tags. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 19:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to confirm that Nick had indeed asked my advice concerning tagging the article, about ten minutes after I protected it. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 20:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Tiamut

When there is a dispute over content, there are a number of choices available to editors. One is to remove the content in question to the talk page until consensus regarding its inclusion or phrasing can be achieved. The other is to tag the content in question until a resolution can be found. NickCT and Soledad tried to remove, and then tag the content in question. While it is true that between them they made as many as 20 reverts, it is also true that SlimVirgin alone made as many as 12 reverts.

I can understand SlimVirgin's frustration at being challenged over the content of an article she worked hard to bring up to FA status. That does not however excuse her meeting edit-warring with edit-warring or making bad faith assumption about editors who disagree with her (alleging socking, off-wiki conspiracies, or inability to transcend POV , ). The article would not have had to be protected with the tags in place if the offending content was simply removed to talk when it was clear that multiple editors found it problematic. Tiamut 20:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I would like to note that my comments are addressed solely to SlimVirgin's original complaint about what happened at Muhammad al-Durrah incident article. I have at no time looked at any of the diffs pertaining to Soledad's edit history at other articles, and if that is the issue here, then a complaint should have been filed on that. Tiamut 01:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by MBz1

Soledad22 is definitely a cause of concern. The user expresses strong POV in his/her edits and removes appropriate information from the articles ;; (In the last diff I absolutely agree with the removing information, but the edit summary is way too strong IMO). This edit shows strong Anti-Jewish tendency of the user style. I would also like to repeat what SlimVirgin said : "214 edits to articles in two years, among them British National Party; The Jew of Malta; Template:Neo-fascism; Ashkenazi intelligence; removed that "international Jewry" were scapegoats on Adolf Hitler; attempted to downplay the proportion of Polish Jews killed at The Holocaust; added something about anti-Christian bigotry among Jews at The Merchant of Venice (2004 film), (and that's just a selection), and who then arrives here objecting to the mention of blood libel in the lead, and adding for good measure that there are too many photographs of Israelis and Jews in the article." IMO Soledad22 should be topic banned on all articles about Jews and Israelis because of a very high and bad-tasted anti_Jewish sentiments in it edits including, but not limited on the articles concerning the victims of the Holocaust and terrorists.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I've changed my opinion about Soledad22 after looking more closely at the user contributions. There are quite a few anti-Semitic edits. IMO because of this edit alone the user should be blocked indefinitely. IMO wikipedia will be better off without it. I would also like to voice my concern about NickCT and his supporting of Soledad22. --Mbz1 (talk) 01:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Radeksz

I don't know NickCT but I remember noticing Soledad22 in April of 2009 when he got into a minor spat with someone (not me) on the Federal Reserve Board article which I've edited a lot and which is on my watchlist. At the time I took a look at the user's contributions and was bothered enough by their nature to remember the name, though since the user was relatively inactive I didn't do anything and let it go. So to add to MBz1's concerns please also consider these diffs - there's definitely an agenda here, and it's not a pretty one. Note that some of them are merely indicative of the kind of POV that this person is pushing, while others (some, admittedly, old) show blatant violations of Misplaced Pages rules and guideline:

History of the Jews of Argentina - making sure to blame the victim

Anti-intellectualism - the faith must not be smeared

Template:Neo-fascism - see above

"Third Position" - (code word for neo-fascism more or less) minor, but telling

Henry Orenstein - minor, perhaps, but telling

The Passing of the Great Race

Gang in the United States - note that the edit summary is false - only the last para is unsourced and that is used as an excuse to remove all "unpleasant" info

Gangs in the United States - this one's almost good for a chuckle; Aryan Brotherhood you see, does not call for White Supremacy, but rather for "white solidarity within the prison system", also removal of sourced material

Janet Napolitano - weaseling

self explanatory, sourced material removed

Jack Kerouac - removing sourced info

and the first edit ever

Franz Boas -defending Kevin MacDonald before defending Kevin MacDonald was cool (among some people)

There's some others too that I'm not going to include. And like some other commentators above I'm also suspicious of the fact that a user with only 265 edits is so adept at "hugging the fence" with respect to 3RR.radek (talk) 23:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Re Nick - Nick, like I stated above, I am completely unfamiliar with your contributions and edit history. I am also completely uninvolved in the present dispute. I do however find Soledad22's edits very troubling, and part of the an overall pattern documented above. So having reiterated that let me note that my comments were/are meant to apply to Soledad22 and Soledad22 only and not to any other editor.radek (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by George

As a disclaimer, I haven't been paying nearly as much attention to the Mohammad al-Durrah article itself as of late, and I haven't done any research into the edit patterns of these two editors. I've only been (lightly) involved in the talk page discussions, so my comments come from that perspective.

In NickCT's defense, I think he has tried to engage in discussion on the article's talk page. He hasn't always been successful, and sometimes comes off as an editor trying to push a particular view, but I do think he at least attempted some form of dispute resolution or consensus building. His multi-tagging of the article's lead is inappropriate, but it might be possible to resolve such behavior with discussion and explanation. Perhaps mentorship would be an option? (Though mentorship could be handed down in addition to a topic ban on the article, rather than in place of one.)

Soledad22 is another matter. He seems to be far more interested in edit warring and POV pushing than discussion, consensus, or following Misplaced Pages policies. The edit pattern other editors described above is disturbing, and I'd agree with those who suggested a wider topic ban to restrict Soledad22 from editing any articles on Jewish-related issues. ← George 00:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by ChrisO

I've not been following the article much lately either, but Soledad22's behaviour was so clearly out of line that I notified him of the I-P article probation four days ago . It's worth noting that he continued to edit war following the notification. I agree with George that the evidence posted above of an anti-Semitic POV-pushing agenda is worrying; he should be subjected to a wide topic ban on all Jewish-related articles. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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