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This template must be substituted. Replace {{Requested move ...}} with {{subst:Requested move ...}}. Is this place officially part of Italy today? It's kind of hard to figure out from the article where this place is (I'm guessins somewhere in northern Italy, close to Switzerland and Austria). Dori 01:20, Oct 27, 2003 (UTC)

This article should redirect to Trentino-South Tyrol. john 04:24, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Since South Tyrol is just one part of the whole province Trentino-South Tyrol, I think it is better to leave it as it is. Gugganij 11:55, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, then this article needs to make clearer what is the relationship between South Tyrol and the whole province. Currently it's very confusing. john 19:11, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi John, I tried to make it a bit clearer. You might find this link interesting: Autonomous status of South Tyrol. Gugganij 23:30, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Maybe I should know being an Austrian, but I don't: I was writing a paragraph on the concept of Austrian nation under Ethnic Germans as to the fact that Austrians, although previously considered Germans, developed a concept of distinctness from Germans and of an Austrian nation during the 20th century. So now I wonder do German-speaking Südtiroler consider themselves as German-speaking Italians, Germans or Austrians? Jakob Stevo 13:44, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

None of the above. "Südtiroler" (the term that describes the German-speaking inhabitants as opposed to "Altoatesini" which describes the Italian-speaking) consider themselves just that: Südtiroler. They often state their differences with Austrians, Germans. Not to mention Italians. Claudio 9:59, 6 Sept 2004(UTC)

For geo-politic questions I think it will be much more desiderable our reference to the Helsinki Agreements concerning Europe. Otherwise it will be possible and reasonable - for exemple - to rename Malvinas the Falklands.--Cloj 08:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Alter Ades vs Sudtirol

Could anybody back up the claim that Alter Ades is the official name of South Tyrol in Ladin? I spoke with a Ladine and he insisted that he never heard it. He claimed that Sudtirol is the official equivalent of South Tyrol in Ladin. Gugganij 16:26, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alter Ades looks like latin, not ladin. Südtirol is the correct one. Here is the link to the ladin version of the official Südtirol network that proves that in the title itself: Rëi Zivica de Südtirol.

Side note about history, I've added information about anti-Italian terrorism. I've also found other things to be inaccurate, but left them in place for now. For example Italy actually never sided with Germany and Austria in ww1. Italy joined in 1915 against Austria. The description in World_War_I#Italian_participation seems correct.

I changed Alter Ades to Sudtirol. Gugganij 00:18, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Don't forget the Umlaut ü. Gryffindor

Aberrant !

South Tyrol DOES NOT EXIST! The correct name for the region is Alto Adige. South Tyrol should redirect there.

South Tyrol IS NOT a province of Italy, but it is just a geographic region, without a local government assigned by the Italian Constitution. I strongly suggest to set this page in a more suitable context! --Mac 8 July 2005 10:04 (UTC)

South Tyrol (in German: Südtirol, in Italian: Alto Adige) is identical with the province of Bolzano/Bozen (BZ) and these terms are also used in the offical name of this province with a special status which is mentioned in the headline: in Italian the name is Provincia autonoma di Bolzano-Alto Adige, in German Autonome Provinz Bozen-Südtirol. I would say this is fairly correct.

South Tyrol is a autonomous region that forms together with Trentino one of the 20 regions that form Italy. So south Tyrol can not be compared to one of the 19 other regions but it does exist. The correct name is, as already stated above, autonomous province of Bozen-South Tyrol, but nobody uses that Name, everybody just says "South Tyrol". It's a little bit like "The United States of America", "The U.S." or "The United States" or even "America". All these terms are often used for the same geographical region = state and they all exist, but only one is official. --

great picture

This image is great; use it as soon as there is space next to a relevant section. — Sverdrup 12:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Terrorists

This article shows bias by calling Sudtiroler martyrs "terrorists" and I'm hereby changing them to "Freedom Fighters" --24.141.214.87

this people where'nt freedomfighter.--MartinS 10:50, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

the province of Alto Adige (if you prefer South Tyrol) was not under occupation at that time, so they are (and have to be considered) under every evidence, terrorists.

The weren't freedom fighters. Italy gave them all the freedom a man could desire. They were mere nationalists, italian-haters and terrorists, and their children still share the same mentality in the 22nd century... Poor men...

your words show, that you have no hate...

"was not under occupation at that time" is not true.

The german speaking peaople where treated badly compared to the italian speaking people. If one part of the population is treated bad, is that so different from "occupation"?

Italian see the "political activists" as terrorists, the german speaking people in South Tyrol see them as freedom fighters. So, who is right?

The final goal was to be free from Italy. But since this was not a realistic vision, it was decided to go for "we want the same rights as the italians have". This means, by changing the target, you call them now Terrorists, otherwise you would have called them "Freedome fighters", by having more dramatic goals?! You have to be very bad, to be a "freedome fighter", and a moderate person is a terrorist? Strange logic, you apply... Fantasy 11:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

terrorist -> political activist?_political_activist?-Terrorists-2005-12-09T11:29:00.000Z">

Since "freedomefighter" is not acepted by italian speaking people, and "terrorist" not by german speaking people, maybe "policital activist" is a neutral enough term? Fantasy 11:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)_political_activist?"> _political_activist?">

Why should we call "political activists" people who placed bombs and actually killed people (Sesto Pusteria 26-Aug- 1965, 2 Carabinieri killed by the south tyrolean "political activists" - 25-Lug-1966 S. Martino in Casies, 3 Finanzieri killed by the "political activists"... and so on... the list is very long). History cannot be discussed with people who don't want to admit the truth... They were terrorists. The ones of them who demonstrated innocent have been graced long ago. The others have to be treated as terrorists.

Requested move

If the anonymous user insists... I present, vote # umpteen. —Nightstallion (?) 23:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Voting

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~

• Oppose. Current name is neutral without being incorrect. —Nightstallion (?) 23:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose This POV pushing is really annoying. Gryffindor 23:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support. Gryffindor made up the name Trentino-South Tyrol and imposed it in the first place -without- a vote. First of all, you can not just make up names that go against what any other major information source shows. Secondly, you can't impose this change unilaterally and then make it the issue that has to be voted on. Thirdly, how can we make a fair vote in such a forum? You have to go by the facts. Trentino-Alto Adige is the official name used in Italian and English maps. If you want a compromise Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol is acceptable. Trentino-South Tyrol is 110% inflamatory and is in no way neutral. Nightstallion, you should know this. Gryffindor.. well we know what he has done and what he will do. 192.45.72.27 00:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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Open letter to Gryffindor: Are you 12 years old? You say this POV pushing is annoying? Do you think everyone can't see through what you are doing? You should be ashamed, as a European and as a Human. You try to make up a new term to call the region and make Wiki a political forum. You should be incredibly ashamed. YOU are the only one who is pushing POV. 192.45.72.27 00:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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