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• Proclamations, p.8, MERU Press publication, Germany, G875, 1976,

What kind if source is this? Is it a published book?   Will Beback  talk  02:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Here are two sources and there are more.-- — Kbob • Talk • 03:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

So we don't know anything about "Proclamations"? I see it was added by someone at STICHTING MAHARISHI FOUNDATION INTERNATIONAL, in Vlodrop. If know one knows what it is let's remove it. thefamouspeople.com appears to be a tertiary source, and its authors aren't even listed anywhere. I guess that leaves us with the globalgoodnews.com site as a source for this material.   Will Beback  talk  04:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I've searched the archive of the Los Angeles Times, and it doesn't seem to mention any award of a "Key to the City". That's probably because awards like that are given out so freely that they aren't newsworthy. Many of the items in this section appear to be of marginal notability. One thing that I have seen mentioned repeatedly in secondary sources which is omitted here is the commendation by the Illinois state assembly.   Will Beback  talk  11:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to find some more sources. The Man of Hope award was given by the City of Hope which is a suburb of LA. The City of Hope still issues awards today and they are mentioned in the papers but so far I can't find a record of the one the Maharishi received in the 60's. Give me a little time to see what I can find not just for that one but the other awards as well.-- — Kbob • Talk • 17:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

The "Man of Hope" awards are reported in the L.A. Times for many years before and after 1970, but not that year. Nor they mention Maharishi in the same article.   Will Beback  talk  03:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

• Maharishi on Dais Los Angeles Times (1923-Current File). Los Angeles, Calif.: Nov 12, 1970. pg. WS5, 1 pgs

In that article they say that the Maharishi spoke at the annual dinner of the "Professions and Finance Division of the Merchants Club" for the City of Hope. But they don't mention any award.   Will Beback  talk  03:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

You've done some good research, if you feel the award is not verifiable than we can remove it. What about the others? Any luck there?-- — Kbob • Talk • 19:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

In this case, I think secondary sources are needed more to establish notability rather than verifiability. For example, in another article there was a matter of the Mayor of San Francisco declaring a certain date as "___ Day". On further investigation it turned out that the mayor makes such declarations just about every day of the year, that they're rarely reported even by local papers, and that the honor wasn't mentioned in the bios of other honorees. Many of these minor civic awards are just not important.   Will Beback  talk  06:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we need a special section for Awards. The ones that are notable and verifiable should be placed in a proper place in the article maybe chronologically.-- — Kbob • Talk • 18:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it's best to place things chronologically, wherever possible.   Will Beback  talk 

Again - if no one can lay their hands on the source for this and describe it then the material should be deleted.   Will Beback  talk  20:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The discussion has meandered. Can you state specifically what you are proposing?-- — Kbob • Talk • 20:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I will repeat the unanswered questions from the top of the thread: What kind if source is this? Is it a published book?   Will Beback  talk  21:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It would appear to me that these are annual collections assembled by MERU (Maharishi European Research University) of the press releases that appear on Global Good News. The the proper title is likely "Proclamations and Endorsements (1976)". Other than Misplaced Pages mirrors, this is the only reference I could find to this source on the interwebs. Are press releases going to qualify as RS's for this? I vote to excise this material. The fact that there are no secondary sources on these "key-to-the-City/man-of-the-year" type awards tells me that they aren't notable. Not that I'd turn one down, mind you. They just aren't the Nobel Prize; they're not even even a Kirby Award... I mean Kilby Award. Fladrif (talk) 21:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't see that the MERU source is reliable. If the information is significant we should be able to find other sources.(olive (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC))

It seems Fladrif has removed the text but I will park it here and when sources are found the text can be re-entered.

• According to a publication by Maharishi European Research University, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was the recipient of awards and citations during his lifetime. Some of these are:
• Man of Hope award, 1970, City of Hope, California;
• Golden Medal of the City of Delphi, Greece;
• Key to the City of Houston, Texas, USA;
• Key to the City of Los Angeles, California, USA; and, honorary citizenship to the City of Winnipeg, Canada.
• Proclamations given by governing bodies include ones given by Governor Dan Walker of Illinois, and by Members of the Parliament of India.-- — Kbob • Talk • 21:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I've seen the numbered Proclamations of the Government of the Global Country of World Peace on the Web somewhere, published by them. MERU Press is a publishing company that is one of Maharishi's organizations; it cannot be considered objective, hence it is not a prior reliable except for claims. It publishes many books containing general and specific public information about Maharishi, TM, and related topics. In the cases of proclamations and claims made by MERU Press, I do not see any reason for the existence of secondary sources. In the lack of secondary sources, and assuming notability (I would say that receiving keys to cities is notable), reliable primary sources (such as definitive statements by witnesses) would be sufficient. Hope this opinion helps. David Spector 04:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of repetitive and redundant content

Beatles content in the Reception section is very alike and in some cases identical to content earlier in the article. I've removed the content in the reception section. Anything that needs to be re added should be added to the earlier section. None of the content is sourced. I'll see if I can find a source. (olive (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC))

This looks like a good reorg. --BwB (talk) 19:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Mauna

• On January 11, 2008, he announced his retirement from all administrative activities and went into mauna (spiritual silence) until his death three weeks later.

The assertion that the subject entered mauna has never been sourced. It was first added here, so far as I can tell. IIRC, sources say that he stated prior to his death that he would devote his remaining time to completing a commentary on Vedic scriptures, which would seem to be a different activity from spiritual silence. Do we have any sources for mauna?   Will Beback  talk  00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

If not, then it can simply be removed. --BwB (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Agree, if there is not a source then let's remove it.-- — Kbob • Talk • 20:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

IIRC, I saw a Web video of MMY made after his resignation, in which he talks happily about Guru Dev and says "Jai Guru Dev" repeatedly. I would imagine that he went into silence a few hours or days before his body died. David Spector 04:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

what's with the COI accounts

This article, and the TM topics in general, continues to be edited tendentiously out of MUM. Wasn't there some administrative intervention against these accounts at some point, or why are they still editing? --dab (𒁳) 12:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Did not know of any ban of any editors. --BwB (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

They are still allowing the TM Org editors to edit and so you'll notice a lot of the Pro-TM advertisement-style material is being slowly restored, as are blatantly primary sources from TM Org associates. Unfortunately, they were never banned. It's been really sad to watch the vandalization take place right under our noses. No one does anything about it.

If any neutral editors leave for a few days (or even if they don't) the TM Org editors work stealthily to restore material.

Now they're even attacking the neutral editors and accusing us of being sockpuppets and other lies, harassment and incivilities to try to divert attention away from their own actions.--Kala Bethere (talk) 17:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Dr. Girish Chandra Varma

I've added a reference for Maharishi's nephew, Dr. Girish Chandra Varma, and a quotation from him. This seems to me NPOV and uncontroversial, but if anyone disagrees, feel free to revert or edit. David Spector 04:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It actually seems quite controversial. Unsupported magical changes in behavior? Quite bizarre. I reverted it David.--Kala Bethere (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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