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| :It is ] on English Misplaced Pages that Russian people be disambigged by their patrynomic name. It shouldn't matter that someone tagged an article incorrectly; we as editors are responsible for our edits, and the editor responsible for that should really have read what they were tagging. If you have any further comments, perhaps you wouldn't mind contacting ], as he is full bottle on things like this. --] <sup>]</sup> 05:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC) | :It is ] on English Misplaced Pages that Russian people be disambigged by their patrynomic name. It shouldn't matter that someone tagged an article incorrectly; we as editors are responsible for our edits, and the editor responsible for that should really have read what they were tagging. If you have any further comments, perhaps you wouldn't mind contacting ], as he is full bottle on things like this. --] <sup>]</sup> 05:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::Gee, thanks, way to pass the buck here :) However, Russavia is correct that disambiguation of Russian people by patronymic is our standard practice—occupational monikers should only be used when the patronymic is not known (or for people who share the exact same first and last name ''and'' the patronymic). There are great many reasons for this, not the least being that a person only has one patronymic, but disambiguation monikers can be many, varied, and not always intuitive to guess. Creating redirects with various monikers is by all means encouraged, but the target article's title should be as unambiguous as possible. Cheers,—] • (]); March 25, 2010; 13:16 (UTC) | ::Gee, thanks, way to pass the buck here :) However, Russavia is correct that disambiguation of Russian people by patronymic is our standard practice—occupational monikers should only be used when the patronymic is not known (or for people who share the exact same first and last name ''and'' the patronymic). There are great many reasons for this, not the least being that a person only has one patronymic, but disambiguation monikers can be many, varied, and not always intuitive to guess. Creating redirects with various monikers is by all means encouraged, but the target article's title should be as unambiguous as possible. Cheers,—] • (]); March 25, 2010; 13:16 (UTC) | ||
| :::It's a fairly late hour here, and I've just seen your replies, so forgive any lack of focus in the following. I can see your point to an extent, but it seems to me common sense to make an exception here to the 'standard practice' you mention (btw, I can find no ruling on this 'standard practice' at the ] Russavia provided) when - as I say - the vast majority of English-speaking users, certainly those wanting to know more about the ballet dancer, will not be familiar with patronymics, and IMHO will find the Nina Anisimova they are interested in more quickly if the heading to her article includes her profession. I notice that Russavia seems to have tacitly accepted this on the ], not having changed the link "Nina Anisimova (dancer)". Besides, adding a descriptive parenthesis not only works well enough for articles on non-Russian individuals (such as the various men named Michael Oliver, for instance) but is also so widely used on Misplaced Pages that I would imagine most Misplaced Pages users think in those terms more readily than having to discover the correct patronymic to find their article. In other words, I'm all for making access to desired information as straight-forward as possible, rather than placing yet another hurdle in the way of users less familiar with the conventions of Russian naming. ] (]) 22:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Nina Valentinovna Anisimova
Hello. Just to let you know that unfortunately your moving N.V. Anisimova's article to simply her full name has already caused confusion - someone gave it a ballet tag, confusing her with Nina Aleksandrovna Anisimova. I have therefore moved the article on N.V. Anisimova to Nina Anisimova (sportswoman), the reason being I'm afraid most English speakers (i.e. those most likely to use the English language Misplaced Pages) are not used to identifying Russians by their patronyms, and it's much clearer to them to have two Nina Anisimovas distinguishable by their profession. Hope that makes sense. :-) Alfietucker (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- It is standard practice on English Misplaced Pages that Russian people be disambigged by their patrynomic name. It shouldn't matter that someone tagged an article incorrectly; we as editors are responsible for our edits, and the editor responsible for that should really have read what they were tagging. If you have any further comments, perhaps you wouldn't mind contacting User:Ezhiki, as he is full bottle on things like this. --Russavia 05:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Gee, thanks, way to pass the buck here :) However, Russavia is correct that disambiguation of Russian people by patronymic is our standard practice—occupational monikers should only be used when the patronymic is not known (or for people who share the exact same first and last name and the patronymic). There are great many reasons for this, not the least being that a person only has one patronymic, but disambiguation monikers can be many, varied, and not always intuitive to guess. Creating redirects with various monikers is by all means encouraged, but the target article's title should be as unambiguous as possible. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2010; 13:16 (UTC)
- It's a fairly late hour here, and I've just seen your replies, so forgive any lack of focus in the following. I can see your point to an extent, but it seems to me common sense to make an exception here to the 'standard practice' you mention (btw, I can find no ruling on this 'standard practice' at the link Russavia provided) when - as I say - the vast majority of English-speaking users, certainly those wanting to know more about the ballet dancer, will not be familiar with patronymics, and IMHO will find the Nina Anisimova they are interested in more quickly if the heading to her article includes her profession. I notice that Russavia seems to have tacitly accepted this on the disambiguation page, not having changed the link "Nina Anisimova (dancer)". Besides, adding a descriptive parenthesis not only works well enough for articles on non-Russian individuals (such as the various men named Michael Oliver, for instance) but is also so widely used on Misplaced Pages that I would imagine most Misplaced Pages users think in those terms more readily than having to discover the correct patronymic to find their article. In other words, I'm all for making access to desired information as straight-forward as possible, rather than placing yet another hurdle in the way of users less familiar with the conventions of Russian naming. Alfietucker (talk) 22:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Gee, thanks, way to pass the buck here :) However, Russavia is correct that disambiguation of Russian people by patronymic is our standard practice—occupational monikers should only be used when the patronymic is not known (or for people who share the exact same first and last name and the patronymic). There are great many reasons for this, not the least being that a person only has one patronymic, but disambiguation monikers can be many, varied, and not always intuitive to guess. Creating redirects with various monikers is by all means encouraged, but the target article's title should be as unambiguous as possible. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2010; 13:16 (UTC)