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	*'''Yes''' (Third World is more than an income grouping; I agree that this could prove to be the most controversial part of the map) ]] ''']''' ] 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Yes''' (Third World is more than an income grouping; I agree that this could prove to be the most controversial part of the map) ]] ''']''' ] 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe''' ] 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' ] 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''Yes''' ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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	*'''Yes''' ]] ''']''' ] 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Yes''' ]] ''']''' ] 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe''' (leaning on yes) ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' (leaning on yes) ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''Yes''' ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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	*'''Maybe''' for all of them (Georgia is no different to the others, despite the Rose Revolution) ]] ''']''' ] 08:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' for all of them (Georgia is no different to the others, despite the Rose Revolution) ]] ''']''' ] 08:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe''' ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''No''' for Georgia, '''Yes''' for Azerbaijan and Armenia ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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	*'''Yes''' for all of them (China is still overwhelmingly considered Third World, even if this is somewhat undeserved. It also considers itself Third World). ]] ''']''' ] 08:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Yes''' for all of them (China is still overwhelmingly considered Third World, even if this is somewhat undeserved. It also considers itself Third World). ]] ''']''' ] 08:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe''' for China and North Korea; '''Yes''' for Mongolia. ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' for China and North Korea; '''Yes''' for Mongolia. ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''Maybe''' for China, '''Yes'' for Mongolia and North Korea

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	*'''Yes''' (Palestine is less developed than Jordan and Syria) -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Yes''' (Palestine is less developed than Jordan and Syria) -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe'''(not less developed than Jordan, but more occupied) ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe'''(not less developed than Jordan, but more occupied) ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''Yes''' ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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	*'''Maybe''' -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe''' ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''No''' ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC) It's one of the ~40 countries considered to be industrialized.

	===Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Oman, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Philipines, Indonesia, Malaysia ===		===Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Oman, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Philipines, Indonesia, Malaysia ===
	*'''Yes''' -- ]<small>\|]</small> 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Yes''' -- ]<small>\|]</small> 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Yes''' -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Yes''' -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Maybe''' (A very wide category. Don't think Syria etc are significantly poorer than some countries in L. America?)] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''Maybe''' (A very wide category. Don't think Syria etc are significantly poorer than some countries in L. America?)] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''Yes''' ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

	===Singapore, Taiwan===		===Singapore, Taiwan===
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	*'''No''' -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''No''' -- ]] ''']''' ] 08:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
	*'''No''' ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)		*'''No''' ] 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
			*'''No''' ] 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

	== Other areas ==		== Other areas ==

Revision as of 12:27, 16 January 2006

Vote to determine which countries are considered third world for a map for the article Third World. Vote opened on the 16th of January. Will be closed on the 6th of February (3 weeks)

For the vote you may want to consider these maps on wikimedia commons:

Also other maps of third world countries at external links here: , , , Figures which might be helpful: life expectancy, literacy rate, and total fertility rate

Note that this is not a vote for which areas should be seen as third world during the Cold War - as shown in here, but a vote for which parts of the world should currently be seen as third world.

Please vote yes (third world), no (first world), or maybe (hard to say/should be shown as sometimes seen as third world). Because there are 200 or so countries in the world, some countries have been grouped together for the purposes of clarity/convenience. If necessary further define for instance under the Gulf states heading you could write:

"No for Saudi Arabia, Yes for Kuwait, Maybe for others Username 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC) "

Sign vote with four tildes ~~~~ .

Or if you think all the region should be the same, write simply:

"Yes, Username 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC) "

Other comments or an explanation for your vote welcome. You can vote for as few or as many headings as you wish.

Canada, the United States, Western and Central Europe, Israel, Russia, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand are not listed because these areas are almost always considered First world. If you wish to vote for any of these areas, list them under "other areas"

Latin America

Africa

South Africa

Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe -- Ronline ✉ 08:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Arre 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe Bulldog123 12:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Africa excluding South Africa

Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Ronline ✉ 08:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes though I have doubts about Libya Arre 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Bulldog123 12:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Asia

Gulf states - Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar

Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes (Third World is more than an income grouping; I agree that this could prove to be the most controversial part of the map) Ronline ✉ 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe Arre 10:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan)

Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Ronline ✉ 08:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe (leaning on yes) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Transcaucasus (Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan)

No for Georgia, Yes for Azerbaijan and Armenia -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe for all of them (Georgia is no different to the others, despite the Rose Revolution) Ronline ✉ 08:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No for Georgia, Yes for Azerbaijan and Armenia Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

China, Mongolia and North Korea

Maybe for China, Yes for Mongolia and N.Korea -- Astrokey44|talk 04:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes for all of them (China is still overwhelmingly considered Third World, even if this is somewhat undeserved. It also considers itself Third World). Ronline ✉ 08:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe for China and North Korea; Yes for Mongolia. Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
'Maybe for China, Yes for Mongolia and North Korea

Palestine

Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes (Palestine is less developed than Jordan and Syria) -- Ronline ✉ 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe(not less developed than Jordan, but more occupied) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Turkey

Maybe -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe -- Ronline ✉ 08:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC) It's one of the ~40 countries considered to be industrialized.

Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Oman, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Philipines, Indonesia, Malaysia

Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes -- Ronline ✉ 08:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe (A very wide category. Don't think Syria etc are significantly poorer than some countries in L. America?)Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore, Taiwan

No -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No -- Ronline ✉ 08:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No Bulldog123 12:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Other areas

Oceania (Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Fiji, other small island states)

Yes -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes -- Ronline ✉ 08:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes (although knows little about some of these) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Southern/south-eastern Europe (former Yugoslavia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova)

No -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No -- Ronline ✉ 08:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe for Albania & Moldova; No for the others. (Former Yug: real name Serbia & Montenegro!) Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Other countries

No map

Too controversial so no map of the third world should be shown

Against this option Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Support the Third World is not a current concept; it does not exist; there should be no current map of it Robdurbar 11:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Other options/ideas/comments

I think the distinction between Southeastern Europe and (far)-Eastern Europe is a bit arbitrary. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova are the least developed parts of Europe, both in terms of economic indicators and democratic indicators. Southeastern Europe's Western Balkans (i.e. former Yugoslavia except Slovenia) are also a bit backward, but distinguishing them from Eastern Europe shouldn't be done. I don't think there's any reason why Southeastern Europe could be considered Third World while Eastern Europe shouldn't. Russia is sometimes considered Third World, at least by U.S. press, even though I think it should remain grey. Ronline ✉ 08:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment on Russia (and China). The great power status of these countries, w. space flights & nukes, lead me away from third world status. Also, Russia is very well educated/literate/etc compared to any regular Third World nation. Countryside poverty may be high, but that's even worse in most of Latin America, where we've mostly gone with Maybe. Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Greenland

What about Greenland? It is not an independent state, but you won't miss it on a map, and to the best of my knowledge, it is not better developed than, say, Qatar. This is a possible Maybe for me. Arre 10:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)