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We want structures that serve people, not people serving structures. — Anonyme, mai '68

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Appeals

Does this mean that the unfair blocks on User:Marsden and User:Poetlister get to appeal as well? I am pretty confident that they went through all reasonable steps for MONTHS to try to get it undone, but yet nothing happened. I even made a sub page to talk about how unfair the block on User:Zordrac/Poetlister was. Indeed, it was protesting their blocks that got User:Mistress Selina Kyle banned. Constructive? Uh, yes, that is extraordinarily constructive. What we should be doing is de-sysopping Kelly Martin and SlimVirgin over this. We shouldn't be banning MSK. I am sure that MSK would agree that getting rid of those 2 rogues is far more important than getting rid of MSK's ban. If MSK's ban is lifted, what is to stop these people from doing the same things to others? Getting rid of the problem is much more important. Of course, that being said, MSK should be unbanned as a matter of urgency. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 00:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Status: replied at Zordrac's talk page. Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 01:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Blocking User:70.89.208.242

Hello Elle, thanks for blocking User:70.89.208.242. Hope he/she tries to behave next time. Husky 11:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Sista, ta for the manufacturing stubs move -- max rspct leave a message 14:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

"vandalism"

While I saw the initial edit that was reverted as "vandalism," is removing the content (on another user's page) really the right thing to do? Initially I was going to comment it out and contact the user. Avriette 19:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Which page, exactly? I blocked User:65.189.128.228 as a sockpuppet reincarnation of a previously blocked user. He had threatened to switch IP's constantly, so I was up for it. It's all good anyway, we can just continue blocking proxies. Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 19:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the user I was referring to. Just wondered whether that was the right approach. I agree it was offensive. Avriette 19:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I had previously blocked User:70.89.208.242, and he had threatened to run mass vandalism scripts, or implied to wreak havoc. Such bad faith behaviour warrants blocking on sight. Was previously warned dozens of times on the talk page. Ie. it's not a clueless newbie. Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 19:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

ah, the life of a janitor. :) Avriette 20:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Sig

I see you've switched your sig... I struggled (with the aid of my wife, who does speak french) to translate the old one; she thought the grammar was off. But I didn't say cos I assumed you knew... there's a motto in there somewhere. A jamais yours, William M. Connolley 21:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC).

Well, I only just started my fourth year of French. Submarine (a French user who both edits here and on fr:) thought the old one was technically correct but sounded awkward (although as a second-language I thought it sounded poetic and fine), and suggested alternatives, which I didn't implement because the tone was different. Rama suggested this as an alternative. It keeps the fairy-tale tone, so I preferred it. Thanks for all the fuss over my signature anyway. It helps me improve! ;-) Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 00:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Happily ever after

Elle vécut à jamais heureuse ?

Elle vécut longtemps heureuse. Elle vécut heureuse très très longtemps. Sa vie fut un long fleuve tranquille. On n'entendit plus jamais parler d'elle ... Sorry, none offer a satisfactory french equivalent. --Harvestman 22:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I need to start reading French fairy tales. Or maybe French literature tends to end on such a metaphysical, vaguely defined, non-conclusive note (Les Miserables, The Count of Monte Cristo, anyone?) so I can't seem to encounter an equivalent that often. Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 00:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Notepad comment

Left a comment on your notepad talkpage. -- Миборовский 05:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 06:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

I see you stood up to (ex-)User:GMB back in late Dec 2005 (26-27), regarding his editing practices which were certainly non-wikipedian, and I would like to thank you for your tenacity. I thought you deserved some recognition for that and so I awarded you the Barnstar. I put it on the top of your userpage so you would notice it. --Censorwolf 17:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Why thank you! I'm in the process of reorganising my userspace though, so I eventually will move a lot of my awards to a separate page. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 21:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

KDRGibby RfAr

I saw it. You finally gave up, eh? NSLE _(T+C) 10:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

BTW I'll probably post something tomorrow morning. NSLE _(T+C) 10:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm yes, unfortunately I gave up. This has probably disappointed BostonMA somewhat. But I really hope Gibby's behaviour is an exception, not a recurring syndrome we will have to deal with. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 11:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Note that User:KDRGibby is currently blocked, and will be unable to respond until later today. See here for details. Quadell 13:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It might be worth mentioning that he has sent abusive emails to several users and , which behaviour very much needs to be reigned in. I wonder though, whether there is an editor out there with a similar political perspective to Gibby who might be able to mentor him. I'm not sure that would work, but it could be worth a go. Mattley 14:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

User:193.164.112.20

Thanks for blocking, nice and swift after my posting on WP:AIV. --Cactus.man ✍ 11:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure no problem. Decided to take care of it since it popped up on my watchlist. ;-) Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 11:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Elle vecut heureusement

sounds a bit... sad, or something. I don't know. Who did, and why is she in the past tense? Or am I asking a question you've been asked many times before? Palmiro | Talk 00:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am trying to firstly, do an equivalent of "she lived happily ever after"...(and passé simple looks better than passé composé): it is indeed supposed to be happy. The English line in addition to being a common fairy tale cliché, happens to be a line in a pop song. It's past tense, because fairy tales end this way. Since you've asked, it does refer to a second meaning...a friend died not too long ago; "lived" reflects this - yet a life that transcends the death of which ended it. (Since I'm a believer of heaven et al.). And just to preempt replies, there's no need for apologies, as I am aware this might become awkward to discuss. My signature was meant to be joyful and fairy-tale'ish but it yes, it is also a memorium. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 01:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it works extremely well, in that case - and I'm sorry if I made you go into more detail than you might have wanted to or my question was unconsciously indelicate (which in the context of your reply, seems very much the case). Palmiro | Talk 01:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about the sad background to this. I had in mind a line which, though not exactly a substitute, I thought you might like to hear. It is from a song called 'Quand on n'a que l'amour' by Jacques Brel and the full verse says "Alors, sans avoir rien que la force d'aimer, nous aurons dans nos mans, amis, le monde entier." It is a bit long, and it doesn't mean exactly what you were aiming at, but the sentiment is similar, I think. It is a very beautiful song - I don't know if you know Brel at all, but I think you'd really enjoy his work, if not. Mattley 02:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

It's hard to find French music here. But thanks for the tip. I'll be on the lookout. Again, no need to apologise, I thought it was rather sensitive at how Palmiro sensed the personal sentiment of my signature. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 02:24, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

bandity

I'm interested in the criteria you employ in deleting an entry with the note "bandity." I noticed you deleted an article on the Seattle band Headphones today. The only criteria I found for such deletion was the user Friday's band page.

Headphones, as a band that is signed to a legitimate record label (Suicide Squeeze), has played a national and international tour, and is recognized by the All Music Guide, seems to be legitimate enough to warrant an entry.

As a wiki-newbie, I'm curious as to your thought process there.

It does not assert too much notability, or its importance - it is thus a candidate for speedy deletion. See Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion. If the band truly is notable, I am sorry, it didn't seem to assert its importance too much (nor did I see a link to other websites other than itself). This page can be easily restored: I would be able to do that, but then I would nominate it for deletion, and I'm not sure it would still matter. I'll ask other admins about the issue. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 03:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Which page is it, by the way? I deleted two yesterday. One seemed more notable than the other, but it wasn't referred to that much other than lists (in "what links here") so I didn't think it was much of a qualifier. However, it can be by mistake. Anyhow, when I restore it, I would like its importance to be asserted, or I'll nominate it for deletion (where the community offers their thoughts on it). Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 03:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

The page was Headphones (Band). As to its legitimacy, I can't say exactly. But, I did look for the band on Misplaced Pages because I had seen them in concert last year and wanted to know more about the project. I'm interested in primarily electronic indie-rock as a genre. (The_Postal_Service would be a good example.) Headphones is a similar project, and I thought that page would be a good place to start. I checked the deletion log and saw that you had deleted the page. That was what prompted my question yesterday. brothermatt 14:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, the entire thing posted is a copyvio, taken directly off from their main website. Can you write a new article about them, as I can't restore it - since I would violate copyright policy. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 19:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

CVU

What is the quickest way to inform admins of persistant vandals, especially when you are trying to revert there edits AND inform the admins. Thanks in advanceEagle (talk) (desk) 04:04, 14 January 2006 (UTC)(please post on my page in response)

Post at Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Surefire way. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 04:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

How do I get on to IRC? Thanks agianEagle (talk) (desk) 04:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Replied on talk page. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 04:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I think i posted back, but if not...What is an IRC client, and what programs qulify. Please point me in the right direction.Eagle (talk) (desk) 04:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Is one or the other program free? Its just that I am really getting annoyed with juggling two pages and trying to keep up with some of these vandals. Geeze they are really acting up lately....They can stop any time now!!Eagle (talk) (desk) 04:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Is there a location on wikipedia that can elaborate more on this subject (IRC)

P.S.S have a look at this, what am I to do?? , its bad.

Replying on talk page. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 04:47, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

What kind of vandalism was that!!! That was wierd...

I usually don't call that vandalism. I call that nonsense to speedy delete. ;-) Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 04:53, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV

I added that vandal because they had a template at the top saying they may be blocked without further warning. That was before I gave my warning, so I figured they were fair game to block. Is that template inaccurate? VegaDark 04:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Replied on talk page. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 04:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I knew that was the case for regular users but I hadn't seen an account with that template before, so I figured I would follow what it says. Perhaps it should be edited to avoid further confusion. VegaDark 04:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

My usual perception is that test5's last only a few hours to at most, a few days. After two months, I consider the previous history cleared (ie. test1's last for that long), ie. the severity of the warning is indirectly proportionate to the time it stays relevant for anonymous IP's. It's not a hard and fast rule - just applying discernment, and taking the safer side if there's a difference in opinion. Frequent blocks can of course, make it acceptable to skip some of the template steps, and to block for increasingly longer periods of time. Sockpuppets are a different matter - usually I will consider them separate the first time they pop up, but then I will consider collective warnings and treat them as a warning for all should they reoccur increasingly. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 04:47, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Natalinasmpf

Thank you!

RFA thanks

Hi Natalina. Thanks for nominating me, but also for your help during the voting. William M. Connolley 20:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC).

Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review#Seth Ravin

An AfD you participated in is now at deletion review. - brenneman 23:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair Tax

Have you bothered reading the Fair Tax article? Or do you just follow me around whereever I post? If you did read it, what do you think? Isnt it great? Much better than what is available now and far less punishing toward the poor. (Gibby 06:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC))

I haven't seen any problems with FairTax so I'm probably on the approving side, and they improve the article (if I'm looking at your three edits there). Whether it improves it a whole lot is probable but I haven't read the whole thing so I can't say. Ideally, tax should be replaced by a totally different economic system anyway. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 13:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment on Gibby's talk page

Hi Natalinasmpf: You recently left this comment on Gibby's talk page with the subject line "We don't want you to leave".

If your intent was to offer an olive branch, you may want to imagine yourself in Gibby's position for a moment. First, the "we" is questionable. That may be your position, but to whom does "we" refer. It sounds as though it refers to everyone who has had a conflict with Gibby. It may be true that all of those editors would like Gibby to stay. But it doesn't seem unreasonable to believe that one or more of those editors would like Gibby to leave.

Further, how does your comment "We don't want you to leave" square with filing a request for Arbitration against Gibby? Do not the possible outcomes of arbitration include long term blocks, permanent blocks, banning, etc.? That is something you might want to think about. --BostonMA 16:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)