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My password has been broken and some pages vandalised in my name. I have to abandon thsi name. I am sorry. Draganparis (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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Helpme

{{helpme}} I do not know whether this what I am doing now: writing on my "talk" page is OK. You never said "click on edit theis page" when asking question (for example). To answer your question: I do not like the "place" and probably will not stay. The changes that I introduced, that were politically indiferent and unbiased, where changed by strongly biased Greeek nationalist. You accepted this. So... I do not want to waist my time with you. I am sorry. Draganparis (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I apologize, but I don't see a question here. If you have one, feel free to reopen the help tag.

Cheers, Jaakobou 21:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

How to get rid of the biased text that somebody introduced replacing my objective, unbiased textDraganparis (talk) 21:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

For example in the chapter on Hellenism, the excellent earlier text was removed and an inexact, incomlete text was introduced. Recently some my minor precisions were removed by an obviously biased author. For example, the Macedonian kingdom of Seleucides is called "Greek" what is simply false. The people who are not Hellenist experts should restraun of changeing the text on this page.

Macedonia (theme)

Actually sir I left your edits to that article 100% in tact, and the wording I removed (the redundant use of Macedon and Macedonia in the same sentence) was not even added by you, it was there before you got here. All I did to your edits was add a language template to the Greek letters for Thema that you contributed to the article (which just makes it say (Greek: θέμα) instead of just (θέμα).

That being said, I personally suspect that despite telling everyone to "keep their Macednonia/Greek disputes elsewhere", your purpose in changing the wording of many of these Hellenistic articles is to obfuscate them to a point where people who are reading (and writing) the new 'true' psuedo-histories on the net can come and find that Misplaced Pages is in agreement with their nonsense. Their (here's that word again) nationalistic agenda is simply to claim the 'heroes' of the ancient world like Alexander as their own national heroes. Making him Slav, Albanian, and any other ethnicity. So again, I didn't touch that edit, but please expect me to readily remove anything that blatantly doesn't comply with WP:V, WP:N, or WP:OR. Brando130 (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Brando for the explanation. I will go back to the Macedonia (Theme) to see where the problem is and will put may comment there eventually. The problem of “theme” is very hard since little is known about that expression that in the beginning had clear military meaning, to acquire much later, more administrative sense. Theme of Thessalonica was created about the time of Constantine VII and he characterised it as Macedonian. I think I wanted this to be left as Constantine VII wrote, although the status of that theme could have changed after him. I am sorry if I made some confusion.

What is obvious is that some politically interested “historians” instead of keepong their Macednonia/Greek disputes to be expressed at some other apropriate place, insist on introducing them all over the ancient history pages in Misplaced Pages. What is done is “systematic removal” of the word “Macedonia” from all texts related to the ancient Macedonian kingdom or later provinces that kept that expression down to the Ottoman empire. I do not know how any of these sides can profit (Greek or Macedonian) sinc the Ancient Macedonia is so distant and certainly is connected to any of modern states of today no more and no less as today’s Egypt or today’s Israel are connected to “their” ancient states. I must admit I was not able to grasp the meaning of your second paragraüph but if it contained some aggressive meaning I would like to ask you to present to me your appology. If I am wrong, the appology is due from my side.Draganparis (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no systematic removal. Anyone interested in Alexander, Seleucus, etc. can easily find on their articles that they are from Macedon, and from there they can read further about the Ancient Macedonians in their own article. Since English does not appear to be your first language, let me point out two thing which are important to note. One, the term 'Macedon' is often used in English instead of 'Macedonia' when speaking about the ancient kingdom. That practice is reflected in Misplaced Pages articles. Second, the terms "Hellenistic", etc. are widely used in English scholarship to refer to all Greek-speaking kingdoms of the period after Koine Greek was spread across the east. And so Misplaced Pages also reflects that trend of scholarship. There is no censorship of the fact that the ancient Macedonians had dominated the Greek-city states and were the founders of these kingdoms. That information is there for everyone to read. As for my aggressive tone, I do apologize. I've been quite a biter. Brando130 (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the diatribe on the use of the term Hellenism, and as much as I appreciate being called a Goog-Wik scientist, and condescendingly being told 'do not be afraid to be' as such, I'm afraid you may just be in the wrong place for the kind of changes you want to introduce.

Misplaced Pages follows the trends of current published scholarship, it doesn't permit any original research whatsoever. So, Misplaced Pages editors are not going to reduce or remove the use of the terms 'Hellenistic, Hellenism, Hellenized' etc, as long as the published, reliable sources used to write the articles also use those terms.

Thus, you either need to be prepared to reference reliable sources that also give your view, or make your arguments in the academic world, and not on Misplaced Pages talk, which is an unsuitable land for revisionist pioneers like yourself. :) Brando130 (talk) 16:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Psst

Hi buddy, me again, just a whisper: Don't use the definitive article ("the") before saying Misplaced Pages and Google in your posts. Its never "on the Misplaced Pages" or "from the Google" - its always just "on Misplaced Pages" or "from Google" - the Google is immediately recognized by Americans as a Bushism and, while funny, takes away from the thrust of your arguments. Brando130 (talk) 16:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I told you

I told you about WP:3RR, didn't I? When you breach a rule, you can expect to be blocked. --Laveol 22:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Good faith

You need to consider WP:good faith, which I was working in to implement your distortions. And WP:Consensus, which you need to establish when introducing new changes that aren't being accepted by the page's editors.

Your problem in general on Misplaced Pages has been that once someone disagrees with you, they are quickly called out as being 'not an expert' or 'not reliable', then you throw their opinions out the window and just move on, looking for the next person who is going to read your exhaustive, and largely flawed, arguments. Brando130 (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You're not listening, man. I'll try again. I'm telling you that I disagree with you, and I'm working in good faith (that's good faith, seriously, click it) to accept your changes, while still disagreeing. That's how Misplaced Pages works. Last time you made these changes, someone else disagreed with you, and they changed your edits too. Then the idea is, you take the issue to the article's talk page, and you look for others who agree with you, you don't just force the changes. If you take it to talk and can't find consensus, you don't resume forcing the changes yourself.

We build the encyclopedia through the consensus of editors, a system I know you've expressed dissatisfaction with. You would like scholarly peer review, frankly with people that agree with you on top. But it does not exist here; if you insist on that, Misplaced Pages may just not be your encyclopedia. But personally I think the consensus policies are working far better than anyone really expected them to.

Calling me an 'insider of the Greek-FYROM Problem' is not really assuming good faith. And not that its your business, but just so that you can share my humor when I read that crap, I'll let you in on a fact; that if you were to put a questionnaire in front of me with 10 of the most basic questions on the Greek-Macedonia dispute, I would probably get about eight wrong; maybe seven, maybe nine. I hardly qualify as an insider. But hey, no offense taken, I'm pretty sure I accused you of a little Macedonian nationalism as well when you first arrived on Misplaced Pages. That certainly wasn't good faith on my part. Brando130 (talk) 15:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Answer

Yes the diadochoi states were Empires, so was the Empire of Alexander the great, I wasn't contesting that. I was contesting the fact that Alexander's Empire is called a Macedonian Empire. It isn't. As for the "ethnic Macedonian" question in antiquity, independently of what the origins of the people of Macedon was, it is uncontested that at least Alexander, Philip and all ruling house of Macedon in general, viewed and declared themselves as officially a Greek dynasty with origins from Argos. Secondly, after the hellenistic era began, the Macedonians were finally accepted into the Greek world and there's no question of separate ethnicity anymore (that's as far as Greece goes). As for the Hellenistic Kingdoms, those were composed by colonies founded by Greeks of many cities and not just one metropolis (mother city) like in the old colonisation days. This is the main difference between Hellenistic and ancient Greek colonisations, independence of a mother city. So really, there's no question of "ethnic macedonians" in that topic. To make such statements it's unscientific with a bit of chauvinism as it involves injecting a modern nationalist conflict into ancient, unrelated history. Many have tried doing that in wikipedia but it has never worked... Miskin (talk) 07:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Again no single citation! Dear friend even today the European dinasties are almost all foreign dinasties. English royal family is German, for example. What difference does it make, the queen is the Queen of England! No question of ethnic Macedonians? 99% of Alexander’s generals were Macedonians, Diadichi were Macedonians, Ptolomys went so far as to merry their sisters! to keep the Macedonian line!!! The garisons, almost all garisons, had the core of macedonian units…. !!! You really do not know what you are talking about, I am sory (please do not be insultet, I mean it figurativelly). I am trying to figure out why the Greeks (I presume that you are Greek, but tell me please if you are not) want to remove the name “Macedonia” from history? It is bewildering! You will force me to count the word “Macedonia” in Arrian, Diodorus, Justin (Trogus), Curtius or Plutarch, who are only existing early, but still tertiary sources on Alexanders biographies. I see that you and your “landsman” Kryston read and write English: please read one single book on history of Macedonia, read Hammond at least. Let alone the biographies. You will understand where is the emphasis of imperial power from the seconf half of 4th centuri to the 2nd century. It is ON MACEDONIA. Macedonia that has tremendous Hellenistic cultural impact, but Macedonia and NOT Hellas. There is no other solution then just reading. Please. I suported what I said with number of references that I gave, and your changes are pure vandalism, so I will take steps to punish you, I am sorry. If you are Greek nationalist, and since Macedonians were or become probably closer to the Hellens then to ANY other people in their surounding at that time, why do you then repudiate their importance? You are probably as much Macedonians as they are Greeks? I will never understand your absurd and certainly erroneous thinking. Please come back to this page AFTER HAVING READ some of the references that I gave you, but NOT BEFORE.Draganparis (talk) 21:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Hellenistic/Macedonian

Dragan, the cultural/genetical distance between ancient and modern states is irrelevant to the edits you do. even if some other people are distant that does not by any means make you closer to them...and i even can disprove you there. you mention todays Egyptians that are different from Ancient Egyptians. they are because they were arabized. they lost their language. it was and it became in Greece (like China) though the language survived and with zero outside elements. Koine Greek is a direct ancestor of Modern Greek. any modern Greek speaker can still read and understand the coins and inscriptions from Alexander's time. see> ] the coin speaks Greek. and says ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ. see closely. it means "of Alexander". i have a modern Greek keyboard and i can write Ancient Greek. again: ] seleucid era coin ] Greek text too. also notice the curly hair, common amongst Greeks today, rare among Slavs like you. ptolemaic >. your futile try to sell Hellenistic era, as Macedonian era (or Makedonski era in your language) is not gonna succeed because people as you see from very different nations know the Spartans, know the Athenians, know the Macedonians ie know the Greeks. your right or not to use a regional term of Greek etymology as your national name is too another subject..

also what you say about "permitted later that Hellenism, still guided by the Macedonian state establishments, enriched by various traditions, become culturaly and scientificly the most advanced period in our Western European history.": is http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:No_original_research learn what that means. you stated the direct opposite of the truth. have you ever heard of the Argead Dynasty? seems like you should.

for citations/sources/scholars/references see: realize that we are not propagandizing. we present scholar view about a pretty much scientific subject CuteHappyBrute (talk) 21:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/

Although I commented on all points and produced mine, in hope that you will also make the effort to address them in a more academic way than you did yours, I have to tell you that lack of research and blind use of nationalistic sites such as the above are not an acceptable way to conduct any kind of discussion. I knew that your level of understanding of ancient writings was low, but this? id you think I would not find the source of your "learned" questions? I was stricken by the similarity of style and arguments of questions I had accepted in the past, so I thought I would google them up to see if there was a precompiled text. To my amazement, EVERY SINGLE ONE of your "questions", was a blunt copy paste (comments included) from :

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/strabo.html

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/plutarch.html

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/arrian.html

!!!! Is this your knowledge on the matter? How low... GK1973 (talk) 15:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

See my answer on your talk, please. But, did you expect me to respond to your propaganda and dumping page after page of empty imagination and nationalistic or conspiracy accusations, to answer again with normal academic response, as I did couple of times previously??? I sent you what I had already from blind quarrels of FYROM and Greek nationalists. I thought this would suit you better. But, dear friend. I answered on your talk and think that we brought the boat into calm waters. I said, in the end, these days were dynamic and we both learned something. In spite of all, it has been pleasure discussing with you in the end. My message to you is: read more original works. From time to time -may be every two years -I get in these blind discussions. Nex time I will use your text to persuade the next blind "Googwick" to start doing normal science and learn something. I hope that after this experience you will tray to produce useful work for Misplaced Pages. Good luck.Draganparis (talk) 20:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

It is obvious you cannot handle to read long texts (then maybe you shouyld not have poses that many questions?), as is obvious you cannot handle writing long texts (which is also required in a "serious" discussion, where resorting to nationalistic sites is not acceptable). As far as this "complaining editor" is concerned.. he is another strange reactivated 10 edit single purpose account that happened to restart contributing to Wiki now that you have... (checked his history...coincidence? Maybe.) It is no perseverance that drives me, but some people's political agenda to attack history. My answers were exremely short, all points usually merit more analysis than what I gave and as far as references were concerned, I gave references as far as new data was concerned (for example Aeschynes). Giving proper references to generalities is not usually done unless asked for. Your points were also unreferenced (or sometimes malreferenced) and it was up to me to ask you for references where I found discrepancies. We were not writing in Misplaced Pages, we were supposedly engaged in an off-topic discussion.

I also suggest you don't harass me any more (I understood the quality of your knowledge long ago). You have shown your true face and there is no more point to expose you for the amateur you are. The very essence of this last post, a "tactical" retreat and effort to justify ignorance and lack of willingness to properly answer, especially when it is you who initiated this after my continuous demands that you stop, after contacting other editors to show them how I "avoided" arguing with you, after having been exposed as a copy paster from nationalistic sites, clearly shows what had to be shown.

You keep talking about references... I do provide references to ancient texts all the time (maybe more than I should).

You criticise my comments but do not do so with counterarguments (as I did), but with a general aforism, all too typical.

You criticise the length of my post, when yours was also pages long (of course not so long, but really telegraphic... you gave some 30 unreferenced texts / unnamed comments and expected shorter answers than 3-4 lines to each?)

You don't even find it appropriate to justify your selection of internet sources, when you keep posting accusing others of just doing a better job than the one you do when googling up information?

You are talking of my "premade" material, when it is obvious that even if it was premade it was by me? Unless you mean the ancient texts, in which case I humbly apologize, I did have them premade.. the ancients did all the work..

You criticise my arguments that have to do with the mythology of a people (actually only Hesiod and Hellanicus wrote mythology, the Argead part was considered history, as was the Dorian invasion, and not that ancient too), on what exact grounds? That mythology does not play a role in the understanding of the ethnic consciousness or history of a people?

As for Greeks.. they do not try to wipe out the term "Macedonia". It is you who seem to try to wipe out the word "Greece" and make it sound as something remote from the word "Hellas", while at the same time connect the word "Macedonia" with Republic of Macedonia only.

Boy... alea jacta est... I do not want you to answer my rhetorical questions. I will be keeping an eye on your presence and of this of these others seemingly single-purposed accounts. As long as you abide by the rules I will have no problem, but do expect a challenge if you try to push your POV inappropriately (as I expect myself to be treated if I show inapproriate conduct) GK1973 (talk) 10:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Draganparis for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Antipastor (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

(one quick comment) Please read WP:FAMILY, specially "Closely connected users may be considered a single user for Misplaced Pages's purposes if they edit with the same objectives" and "If they do not wish to disclose the connection, they should avoid editing in the same areas, particularly on controversial topics.". --Enric Naval (talk) 21:13, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Draganparis (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am not pushing a point of view. I am signalling illegal and/or indecent events of significant political weight, containing spread of hate and nationalism on the history pages that are not correctly handled by an administrator. My complaint has been submitted.Draganparis (talk) 22:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You should be thanking FisherQueen for being generous and only blocking you for a week. Accusing other users of being gang members out to get you is rarely if ever the correct course of action. Also, some of the remarks you have made in this unblock request could be taken as a legal threat, so until you can clarify whether or not that was your intent, you will not be unblocked. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I've fixed your request for you. I'm aware of your post at WP:ANI; that's how I came to examine your edits. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Draganparis (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I did not imply external legal action. I need to be unblocked to explain to the administrators on one concise page my point of view. In the mean time I suggest that the administrators examine not only the discussions on Alexander the Great and Cyril and Methodius but also Talk pages of Draganparis and GK1973 for dumping irrelevant material (33 pages of text at one occasion were dumped on his Talk page - botom: hiden at the mommment!), loose language and nationalistic accusations. Thank you very much indeed.Draganparis (talk) 09:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

If you want to explain, then right here on this page, without an unblock request is the valid place to try and explain. Regardless, you state that you want to explain your "point of view" - that POV seems to be what has got you blocked in the first place. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Hmmm. My POV: The evidence has been removed, a "consensus" finely arranged... To silence me I was blocked for a week... Not bad. I think that this has been a well organised setup.Draganparis (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Draganparis for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page.

I sincerely hope these accounts are not your puppets. GK1973 (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Draganparis (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Dear Sir, I have to complain. Somebody blocked me unjustly on Misplaced Pages. (This all refers in reality to one unknown administrator.)

Would you please read my edits on Misplaced Pages (I know this is boring, but if you accepted to do the unpleasant “job”…). And read my explanations too. I have been accused to be sockpuppeting with two other persons from my surroundings. There is potential accusation related to 2 other editors too. I will deal with this also. First, I have nothing to do with Maxkrueg 1 or Maxkrueger editing, although the culprit(s) must be in my surrounding, but I ignore who they are. Judging from their edits, these users strongly disagreed with me and are unlikely to be cooperating with me for their edits on Misplaced Pages. I suspect a student (in fact there are 3 suspects!) from the department where I work, but will not pursue the investigation in order to protect the students from unnecessary trouble and because I consider the affair trivial.

As you must know (or will know after reviewing my case), I am aware that the IP address is known to Misplaced Pages administrators and that it would not be logical that I ignored this and sockpuppeted some editors, you should then logically come to the conclusion that I was not aware of the editing of some of my colleges.

I made my identity public to give Misplaced Pages a possibility to correctly investigate the case. You (Misplaced Pages Administrators) obviously ignored this unusual gesture.

There are unpleasant corollaries that should concern you. By blocking me you support the insulting behaviour and mockery tone of the users who accused me initially. They continue do dissipate insulting comments all over the pages that concern me and this just could not be overseen by the administrators.

There is a very serious problem accompanying this dispute. These users obviously pursue biased and concealed sockpuppetry with the intentions to promote nationalistic and basic racist tendencies on Misplaced Pages. Blocking me will only be damaging to Misplaced Pages. The issue is too serious to be just neglected as it seams there is intention to be neglected. Such racist and nationalistic discourses are forbidden by law in Europe and breaches of law could have far reaching consequences. I obviously do not have an intention to pursue this case further, but the danger exists that somebody else could.

Apologies, but I have to add another short comment. This concerns the other accusations. After analysing the intervention of the 3 or 4 other accused, I realised that their interventions, although opposing the views of “my opponents”, did not necessarily agree with my views again. Indeed, their use of my arguments is not a proof that they supported my views – they read my comments and used my arguments, this is quite logical. My opponents also use my arguments and also disagree with me! In fact the “accused” displayed the views that were quite different from my views. The 3 accused displayed clear pro-Macedonian (modern Macedonia) nationalistic points of views which I obviously do not share and never endorsed on these pages. If this would be also your opinion, even if all of them were operating from our common IP address – what I still doubt, then this could NOT BE a case of “sockpoppeting”. In this context, to say, as some of my opponents said, that their displaying disagreement is further proof of them being my sockpoppets, is just absurd. In addition, the fact that this could have been something what I could not control, then I should not be held responsible for this.

I would however plead again and again to the administrators to demand the editors involved in this disputes to restrain from mockery on my account (even on this very page as on the page where I reported some of my opponents for the violation of Misplaced Pages rules!) since this also violates the principle of good faith, reveals intention to insult me as a person and violates the principles of decent communication which are fundamental principles set by Misplaced Pages.

Would you please unblock me. Thank you very much.Draganparis (talk) 13:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The thing is Checkuser got a direct hit on you, meaning that you used the same computer (lab). CU compares IPs to each other, and only if the technical evidence for users is virtually identical is the "confirmed" result given out. Because the vast majority of administrators cannot challenge a CU block on their own (per checkuser and privacy policies), you may have better luck contacting either another checkuser or the en.wikipedia Arbitration Committee via email - they will be better equipped to deal with checkuser-based blocks. —Jeremy 06:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Thanks very much. There has been so much hate on these pages, so much primitive aggression. I was openly called a liar, I am a dabbler, troll sock puppet propagandist, scorn, draganparis dude, etc, mockeries like “Yep....blah blah, blah blah”. (Yet, the unconsciously drawn precise auto-portraits in fact.) Your advice is a great change. Thanks, I will see what can be done.Draganparis (talk) 16:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Dragan said "Dear Sir, I have to complain." and reminds me of Monty Python:

M: I want to complain. C: You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through. M: No, I want to complain about... C: If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother. M: Oh! C: Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.

http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simanos (talk • contribs) 18:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

To have a desire to be present in the “World” - to take part in knowledge and science, to be there! - but to fail to achieve this, must be so terrible, so painful, so deeply, deeply sad. Ignorance must be so awesome, so lonely… and so full of hate… I suggest you bring it all out, you will feel better.Draganparis (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

What? You don't like even Monty Pythons? No wonder... Simanos (talk) 16:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Why no wonder?Draganparis (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Bias chronicles: Ancient Macedonia

The articles on Macedonia are unfortunately strongly biased. This is not in the interest of Misplaced Pages. There is a group of Greeks, professionals or enthusiasts, who promote pan-Hellenism. Although I think we should be all proud to be Hellenes, we are unfortunately not all Hellenes and almost all would not like to be. People like to be what they believe to be and the majority believes that the objective history should be pursued in principle. These above mentioned courageous fighters for Hellenism prefer to hide behind their anonymity and diligently neutralize all my efforts to bring some objective history to the pages of Misplaced Pages. They erase all what I write on the corresponding pages. Therefore, I will run "chronicles" on bias on my talk page, thanks to a friendly advice of Taivo. From now on almost all what I will be objecting to the Ancient Macedonian (not modern Macedonia!) history pages on Misplaced Pages will be on my talk page. You are also welcome.Draganparis (talk) 10:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

IMPORTANT NOTICE concerning further edits of the articles on Macedonia (please do not remove this neutral information)

I would like to inform the community of the editors that:

1. I was accused of sockpuppetry and banned for 2 weeks.

2. The investigation that I initiated simultaneously about eventual sockpuppetry of Simanos, GK1973, Ptolion, Antipastor and Anothroskon yuilded the following finding (from “Sockpuppet investigations/Athenean/Archive”):

"Possible that Simanos, GK1973, Ptolion and Antipastor are the same user, but not confirmed. Mackensen (talk) 00:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)"

It could be concluded that the edits of Simanos, GK1973, Ptolion and Antipastor, (I will call them "Greek neighbors" in the text below) which concern Macedonia (ancient and modern), must be considered to be potentially biased and to correspond to a single, politically subjective point of view. I would greatly appreciate if the Administrator would also take this in consideration. Draganparis (talk) 09:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)Draganparis (talk) 10:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

ATTANTION: The user GK1973 changed his name to GK. (May be to hide his being GK1973 and a "member" of the group that I call "Greek neighbors".)Draganparis (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

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Ooh you're only mentioning Greeks now :( What about your previous façade of being neutral and accusing editors from FYROM too? I guess you're mixing up your lies Simanos (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Translation= Draganparis was banned twice by admins with good reason and evidence (identical home IPs with sockpuppets and other evidence). Me and the other Greeks are from the same city or area (Greece has 2 major cities with 75% of total population duh), but our IPs are different so at best we might be friends or not. Plus we're not annoying enough for any admin to ban us. Conclusion if people disagree with Dragan they must be wrong (cause he is always right). If many people disagree then it's a conspiracy. 9-11 was an inside job and we never landed on the moon. Simanos (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

(Thanks for the comment. Please do not write IN the introducing paragraph. Write below the introducing paragraph and give there a citation from the paragraph if you need. I rearranged your comment now to be separated from my introductory paragraph. I will answer to your comment later since I am quite tired now. I just returned from Thessaloniki and learned very interesting things there which might interest you.Draganparis (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC))

Greeks-Hellenes-Yunani

Have you read these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Graecians#Greeks_.28.CE.93.CF.81.CE.B1.CE.B9.CE.BA.CE.BF.CE.AF.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/Graecus

and similar stuff Simanos (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

O, yes I saw these articles in Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately I did not see majority of the cited references. Some of that mythology I know, of course. Very interesting. Very often mythology gives a lot information of the real past, so it will be extremely interesting to find historical evidence which confirms (or does not confirm - which may also happen) these fantastic information. I also like mythology and would very much like that all what we read there is true. Past is so fantastic!Draganparis (talk) 19:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I remembered now: this is the article where Aristotle wrote "Republic" (!??!) and where I complained about the quality of the text, but nobody corrected it since! This is Misplaced Pages, unfortunately.Draganparis (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Well at this point it's nearly impossible to find any historical evidence about the name Greek from mythology. Given that Greeks also go by other names like "Danaans", "Achaeans" and "Argives" I find your views specious at best. And why didn't you correct that error? I'm sure no one would revert a non-POV change of yours. Try it sometime. Simanos (talk) 11:37, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

The pages you cite are about mythology so this is fine so far it is not interpreted as history (as you and your group tries to do on history pages of Macedonia). But the entire article is badly written and these false citations make entire article just hopeless.There are more ridiculous mistakes like this about Aristotle writing Republic (Plato's well known work). Since I have to quarrel with you and other similar guys, I can not find time to correct such hopeless texts. And if I wrote the entire text... you would block me. By the way: I have unfortunately just a few original POVs. All I normally write are jst the achievements of other people. Indeed, I published my original POVs (look my list of publications). I do not use them here on Misplaced Pages. But what you call POV is often "other version of the truth", and not your version. Most often this is the scientific version of the truth, unfortunately - which you do not recognize. Like not accepting what Encyclopedia Britannica states about Cyril and Methodius (does not state anything!), but accepting what various tourist guides or second hand authors stated (they state "Greek brothers"), like the Pope (who is no reference in that respect!) or similar authors. Etc. (By the way, you see how normal discussion may be possible. Why do you behave so violently, so unfriendly on the discussion pages?)Draganparis (talk) 13:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

More evasion, more of the same. Whatever dude, I've wasted enough time with you. Simanos (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)