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	I am not certain a purely voluntary cooperation board will help much. If these people wanted to cooperate, they could have done so all the time; what has been stopping them? But they can't, and they can't even want to, because their aims in this project are simply incompatible. We have one group of people whose sole and exclusive purpose in being here is to minimize or throw into negative light the role of nation A in a contested region, and to to maximise or throw into positive light the role of nation B, and another group whose sole and exclusive aim is the precise opposite. We won't restore peace if we just teach these people to compromise and balance their agendas. Sorry for being cynical, but that will only educate clumsy POV-pushers into skilled POV-pushers. We can only restore peace if we show these people that both these agendas are not wanted in this project. ] ] 06:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)		I am not certain a purely voluntary cooperation board will help much. If these people wanted to cooperate, they could have done so all the time; what has been stopping them? But they can't, and they can't even want to, because their aims in this project are simply incompatible. We have one group of people whose sole and exclusive purpose in being here is to minimize or throw into negative light the role of nation A in a contested region, and to to maximise or throw into positive light the role of nation B, and another group whose sole and exclusive aim is the precise opposite. We won't restore peace if we just teach these people to compromise and balance their agendas. Sorry for being cynical, but that will only educate clumsy POV-pushers into skilled POV-pushers. We can only restore peace if we show these people that both these agendas are not wanted in this project. ] ] 06:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

			:OK, then apply sanctions all around, screwit. I can abide by some sort of revert restriction (as I have in the past), but that will not solve the problem. Know why? Because of the innumerable sock and meatpuppets on the Albanian side (say what you want about the Greek side, they have not to date socked or run around frantically trying to recruit people). I note this madness started back around late February/early March with the IPs named in the SPI for Sarandioti. Since then we've had I don't know how many new Albanian revert-only SPAs appear, beginning with Kushtrim123. I count about a new one every week or so. And now, we have evidence that at least one of the Albanian users was running around the Albanian wiki trying to recruit people. Witness also how him and his partner Zarri run to every new account that makes an edit relating to anything vaguely Albanian "Mireseerdhe! Mireseerdhe, join us!". God only knows what's going on off-wiki. You also don't suppose Sarandioti et al. decided to quietly go into the night after his last sock got blocked? No prizes for guessing who is. I know for a fact he was raising hell on the Commons under his real name back in late FEb, right before this current mess started (and I think at least one of the current troublemakers may well be him). So to hell with it, topic ban the lot of us, and good luck trying to rein in the socks and meats. I could personally take a break from this s**t, I really have better things to do than run around trying to identify the latest sock of some deranged teenager editing from some netcafe because they got nothing better to do in their lives. ] (]) 07:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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Objection...

Editor Stifle

Greetings!

I object for deleting the Turki Faisal Al Rasheed article, it is on the process of discussion with the other editors. they are helping me in improving my article, they give me the tips and helpful guidelines and I'm working for it everyday, every time the editors tag or notifies me for lack or there is an entry not suitable for wikipedia. Editor JeffG give me a chance to improve my article and why you deleted it?

How could a newbie, like me, excel in creating, improving an article and now that you deleted it? Am hoping that their help and tips give me a result of success. It is better to tell me/us straightly that you don't want my/our articles, than giving us the chance, help and tips, which is still for deletion and it is useless by now. Thanks for your help stifle, your such a good editor.

Regards,

Carlo

Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 13:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfrasheed (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question is answered in my FAQs. They're linked at the top of my talk page and in the editnotice. Why not check them out next time?

This article was deleted after a deletion discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turki Faisal Al-Rasheed. It was not my decision; I am only implementing the will of the Misplaced Pages community. If you feel I have failed to follow the deletion process, you should open a listing at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. Stifle (talk) 13:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Greetings!

My request at deletion review page was redirected to your talk page. Is there a chance for me to reconstruct the article of TFR? or am I going to post a new article again? Turki Faisal Al Rasheed is a notable person, he do have a lot of contributions not only here at saudi arabia but to the entire continent of Asia, Africa, Europe, and America. His contributions to different newspapers and magazine is read around the globe. All of these are linked to the article which was deleted. I know and you know too that I may succeed in creating a good article with all the help of editors like you and I owe you one.

Thank you very much.

Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 05:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Carlo

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end. Any further unsigned posts will be deleted without action.

I can userfy the page for you if you like.

Please reply in this section. Stifle (talk) 10:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

A pleasant day Editor Stifle.

Yes, I would like you to userfy TFR article for me to work and improve it more. I owe you one Editor Stifle. Thank you very much.Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 10:55, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Regards,

Carlo

I must insist that you sign your messages; otherwise I will not respond. Stifle (talk) 11:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello there Editor Stifle, am afraid of what sign is your looking for to my replies. I always using that four tildes (Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 11:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)) at the end of every message I posted. I am using my boss account which he entrusted to me, to use it and create an article for him. Kindly please guide me to where exactly to place my sign. Thanks again sir. Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 11:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

In accordance with the signature policy, you must have a link to your userpage in your signature. Please add one.

The article is now at User:Tfrasheed/Turki Faisal Al-Rasheed. Stifle (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Jamie Brooks AfD

A question about your closure. Since the AVN award was just a nomination and not a win, I assume per WP:PORNBIO that it fails that criteria. The only one left to consider is the win of the UK Adult Film and Television Awards, which generally would seem to meet criteria #1. But I'm wondering how much weight you placed on the fact that the UK Awards website is for all intents and purposes defunct. Shouldn't this effectively disqualify this from being considered "a well-known award" ? Tarc (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Aaron Martin (Football)

Aaron is making his first team debut today for Southampton alongside Jose Fonte, please put his article back up.--Monts 94sfc 13:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Let's wait until kick-off, shall we? Also, please include a link to your userpage in your signature. Stifle (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

A big thanks....

Hello again Editor Stifle, I Thank you for putting back my article. One more thing, if it is fine that I may ask you some questions? Honestly, I am not that good in composing an article, likewise with my grammar. My job is computer programmer/technician and I was only assigned to create an article for my boss. And believe me, I'm having difficulties in the following notifications stated next to this paragraph, but am trying my best to figure it out. I keep on reading, all of them on their help pages.

   * The notability of this article's subject is in question. If notability cannot be established, it may be listed for deletion or removed. Tagged since April 2010.
   * Very few or no other articles link to it. Please help introduce links to this page from other articles related to it. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It may have been edited by a person who has a conflict of interest with the subject matter. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It may contain improper references to self-published sources. Tagged since April 2010.

About the notability, I already included all the possible links and references we do have online and in local books at our office. Next the articles link to it, which was already done, I think if it is enough. Then about the conflict of interest, in this section I am that newbie guy. Sorry for being spoon-feed user. But I have to ask how could I avoid that conflict of interest. Is there a need to change some section in my article or need additional explanations? And the last is improper references to self-published sources, I think I already removed it from the article before it was deleted. lastly, do I need to change the photo of TFR? because every time I upload a new one, it is subjected to speedy deletion and it says that it was copied from another webpage. I am afraid about copyright but the photo is our own office file and I am handling them all.

Please let me know if I properly posted my query and questions in this section or there is a need to move it to other discussion page. Thank your very much for your kind support and help. Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 13:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I am unable to provide assistance with content. Please try WP:CNB or WP:NCHD. Stifle (talk) 13:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again...

Thanks Editor Stifle for your guide... A pleasant day to you. Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 14:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Albanian-Greek collaboration board

In regards to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Result_concerning_Kedadi: I apologize for using your talk page, but I didn't feel like using the admin space in the AE.

I endorsed the suggestion of User:Future Perfect at Sunrise to have team restrictions. I have been following a 1RR recently with very few exceptions. However I would suggest that this AE conclusion be a self-imposing restriction rather than a sanction. We are the best Albanian Wikipedians and the Greek side is also a very well prepared team, as a matter of fact they all have my respect: our differences are in content. I believe that a sanction simply annoys a regular rather than stimulates him/her to do better. This is my personal thought though and I'll let you make your call, however I feel that in general rouge administration on 8 people that average 8-9k edits each is way too much. Neither of us are children and we put important hours and energy to the English project of Misplaced Pages to be treated with continuous sanctions. For myself I can say that I am tired of being reported continuously by the Greek side and I want to have my record clean now.

However, I want you to weigh and consider an alternative and/or additional suggestion. I think that instead of applying sanctions that will just anger or throw off good wikipedians, all 8 people (including myself) be forced to log a percentage of the overall monthly edits to the creation of a WikiProject Albania#Greek-Albanian cooperation board similar to the Misplaced Pages:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board (see also my proposal in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albania#Greek-Albanian_cooperation_board.), or better, are forced to do only that in the next month or so, before the board reaches a certain form, so that the articles are clean of disputes and a consensus is reached before the edits go to the article.

Please let me know your thoughts. I believe this cooperation board will get us 8 (and others) closer and we will publicly bring there our content differences before they go to the article. Besides, similar to the Greek Turkish board we will focus on positive aspect of the Greek-Albanian relations. I believe that already a better understanding exists now as compared to what was going on 1 year ago. This board will bring our understanding to the next stage. Rather than sanctions, we need tools and ways to focus on collaboration.--_Sulmues 22:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Not a bad idea at first sight, I support the creation of this board. I was thinking of something along the lines of WP:BRD. If an editor from either side makes a bold edit that is reverted by an editor from the other side, both editors should then discuss it on the cooperation board. Any editors that revert after the discussion is initiated should then be sanctioned. I think this will greatly alleviate the problem of revert-warring. It should also alleviate the problem of meat and sockpuppet revert-only reinforcements that we have been seeing lately. In the last two months, there has been a surge in the numbers of revert-only SPAs. Accounts such as Tina Trendelina (talk · contribs), Stupidus Maximus (talk · contribs), Kushtrim123 (talk · contribs) and many many IPs (see here ). Athenean (talk) 03:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not certain a purely voluntary cooperation board will help much. If these people wanted to cooperate, they could have done so all the time; what has been stopping them? But they can't, and they can't even want to, because their aims in this project are simply incompatible. We have one group of people whose sole and exclusive purpose in being here is to minimize or throw into negative light the role of nation A in a contested region, and to to maximise or throw into positive light the role of nation B, and another group whose sole and exclusive aim is the precise opposite. We won't restore peace if we just teach these people to compromise and balance their agendas. Sorry for being cynical, but that will only educate clumsy POV-pushers into skilled POV-pushers. We can only restore peace if we show these people that both these agendas are not wanted in this project. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, then apply sanctions all around, screwit. I can abide by some sort of revert restriction (as I have in the past), but that will not solve the problem. Know why? Because of the innumerable sock and meatpuppets on the Albanian side (say what you want about the Greek side, they have not to date socked or run around frantically trying to recruit people). I note this madness started back around late February/early March with the IPs named in the SPI for Sarandioti. Since then we've had I don't know how many new Albanian revert-only SPAs appear, beginning with Kushtrim123. I count about a new one every week or so. And now, we have evidence that at least one of the Albanian users was running around the Albanian wiki trying to recruit people. Witness also how him and his partner Zarri run to every new account that makes an edit relating to anything vaguely Albanian "Mireseerdhe! Mireseerdhe, join us!". God only knows what's going on off-wiki. You also don't suppose Sarandioti et al. decided to quietly go into the night after his last sock got blocked? No prizes for guessing who this is. I know for a fact he was raising hell on the Commons under his real name back in late FEb, right before this current mess started (and I think at least one of the current troublemakers may well be him). So to hell with it, topic ban the lot of us, and good luck trying to rein in the socks and meats. I could personally take a break from this s**t, I really have better things to do than run around trying to identify the latest sock of some deranged teenager editing from some netcafe because they got nothing better to do in their lives. Athenean (talk) 07:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Aaron Martin (Football)

Hey there; now that he has finally played in a fully-pro league, and meets WP:ATHLETE, I am more than happy for Aaron Martin to have an article as he is now notable. Regards, Giant Snowman 02:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)