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	:::: Actually, Athenean you did. Second, you too are involved in these reverts. For Stiffle - The real problem here is about in some users, mainly of Greek nationality like ] or ], that keep editing systematically Albanian articles or articles related to Albania! This is a serious problem because of their Greek POV on Albanian matters. It is known that even today, Albania and Greece have serious problems in their relationship as neighboring country and these users are engaged full time in editing albanian related articles. This can be clearly and easily shown in their contribs. This has to be taken into account from any administrator dealing with this issue. My self, have never seen touching any Greek related article, but here all we have to do is try to keep clean our few Albanian articles from users like ] or ]. At some point I see it appropriate to propose a ban on these users from editing articles related to Albania. ] (]) 18:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)		:::: Actually, Athenean you did. Second, you too are involved in these reverts. For Stiffle - The real problem here is about in some users, mainly of Greek nationality like ] or ], that keep editing systematically Albanian articles or articles related to Albania! This is a serious problem because of their Greek POV on Albanian matters. It is known that even today, Albania and Greece have serious problems in their relationship as neighboring country and these users are engaged full time in editing albanian related articles. This can be clearly and easily shown in their contribs. This has to be taken into account from any administrator dealing with this issue. My self, have never seen touching any Greek related article, but here all we have to do is try to keep clean our few Albanian articles from users like ] or ]. At some point I see it appropriate to propose a ban on these users from editing articles related to Albania. ] (]) 18:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

			:::::Your above comments are personal attacks and trolling. Stop it, or I will request that civility restrictions be placed on you. ] (]) 19:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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Objection...

Editor Stifle

Greetings!

I object for deleting the Turki Faisal Al Rasheed article, it is on the process of discussion with the other editors. they are helping me in improving my article, they give me the tips and helpful guidelines and I'm working for it everyday, every time the editors tag or notifies me for lack or there is an entry not suitable for wikipedia. Editor JeffG give me a chance to improve my article and why you deleted it?

How could a newbie, like me, excel in creating, improving an article and now that you deleted it? Am hoping that their help and tips give me a result of success. It is better to tell me/us straightly that you don't want my/our articles, than giving us the chance, help and tips, which is still for deletion and it is useless by now. Thanks for your help stifle, your such a good editor.

Regards,

Carlo

Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 13:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfrasheed (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question is answered in my FAQs. They're linked at the top of my talk page and in the editnotice. Why not check them out next time?

This article was deleted after a deletion discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turki Faisal Al-Rasheed. It was not my decision; I am only implementing the will of the Misplaced Pages community. If you feel I have failed to follow the deletion process, you should open a listing at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. Stifle (talk) 13:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Greetings!

My request at deletion review page was redirected to your talk page. Is there a chance for me to reconstruct the article of TFR? or am I going to post a new article again? Turki Faisal Al Rasheed is a notable person, he do have a lot of contributions not only here at saudi arabia but to the entire continent of Asia, Africa, Europe, and America. His contributions to different newspapers and magazine is read around the globe. All of these are linked to the article which was deleted. I know and you know too that I may succeed in creating a good article with all the help of editors like you and I owe you one.

Thank you very much.

Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 05:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Carlo

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end. Any further unsigned posts will be deleted without action.

I can userfy the page for you if you like.

Please reply in this section. Stifle (talk) 10:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

A pleasant day Editor Stifle.

Yes, I would like you to userfy TFR article for me to work and improve it more. I owe you one Editor Stifle. Thank you very much.Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 10:55, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Regards,

Carlo

I must insist that you sign your messages; otherwise I will not respond. Stifle (talk) 11:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello there Editor Stifle, am afraid of what sign is your looking for to my replies. I always using that four tildes (Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 11:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)) at the end of every message I posted. I am using my boss account which he entrusted to me, to use it and create an article for him. Kindly please guide me to where exactly to place my sign. Thanks again sir. Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 11:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

In accordance with the signature policy, you must have a link to your userpage in your signature. Please add one.

The article is now at User:Tfrasheed/Turki Faisal Al-Rasheed. Stifle (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Jamie Brooks AfD

A question about your closure. Since the AVN award was just a nomination and not a win, I assume per WP:PORNBIO that it fails that criteria. The only one left to consider is the win of the UK Adult Film and Television Awards, which generally would seem to meet criteria #1. But I'm wondering how much weight you placed on the fact that the UK Awards website is for all intents and purposes defunct. Shouldn't this effectively disqualify this from being considered "a well-known award" ? Tarc (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I am obliged to close AFDs in line with the views of the users, which I have done here. Stifle (talk) 10:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Even when those views are based on what is for all intents and purposes a lie? Tarc (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what consensus is about. Stifle (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Aaron Martin (Football)

Aaron is making his first team debut today for Southampton alongside Jose Fonte, please put his article back up.--Monts 94sfc 13:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Let's wait until kick-off, shall we? Also, please include a link to your userpage in your signature. Stifle (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

A big thanks....

Hello again Editor Stifle, I Thank you for putting back my article. One more thing, if it is fine that I may ask you some questions? Honestly, I am not that good in composing an article, likewise with my grammar. My job is computer programmer/technician and I was only assigned to create an article for my boss. And believe me, I'm having difficulties in the following notifications stated next to this paragraph, but am trying my best to figure it out. I keep on reading, all of them on their help pages.

   * The notability of this article's subject is in question. If notability cannot be established, it may be listed for deletion or removed. Tagged since April 2010.
   * Very few or no other articles link to it. Please help introduce links to this page from other articles related to it. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It may have been edited by a person who has a conflict of interest with the subject matter. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It may contain improper references to self-published sources. Tagged since April 2010.

About the notability, I already included all the possible links and references we do have online and in local books at our office. Next the articles link to it, which was already done, I think if it is enough. Then about the conflict of interest, in this section I am that newbie guy. Sorry for being spoon-feed user. But I have to ask how could I avoid that conflict of interest. Is there a need to change some section in my article or need additional explanations? And the last is improper references to self-published sources, I think I already removed it from the article before it was deleted. lastly, do I need to change the photo of TFR? because every time I upload a new one, it is subjected to speedy deletion and it says that it was copied from another webpage. I am afraid about copyright but the photo is our own office file and I am handling them all.

Please let me know if I properly posted my query and questions in this section or there is a need to move it to other discussion page. Thank your very much for your kind support and help. Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 13:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I am unable to provide assistance with content. Please try WP:CNB or WP:NCHD. Stifle (talk) 13:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again...

Thanks Editor Stifle for your guide... A pleasant day to you. Turki Faisal Al Rasheed 14:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Albanian-Greek collaboration board

In regards to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Result_concerning_Kedadi: I apologize for using your talk page, but I didn't feel like using the admin space in the AE.

I endorsed the suggestion of User:Future Perfect at Sunrise to have team restrictions. I have been following a 1RR recently with very few exceptions. However I would suggest that this AE conclusion be a self-imposing restriction rather than a sanction. We are the best Albanian Wikipedians and the Greek side is also a very well prepared team, as a matter of fact they all have my respect: our differences are in content. I believe that a sanction simply annoys a regular rather than stimulates him/her to do better. This is my personal thought though and I'll let you make your call, however I feel that in general rouge administration on 8 people that average 8-9k edits each is way too much. Neither of us are children and we put important hours and energy to the English project of Misplaced Pages to be treated with continuous sanctions. For myself I can say that I am tired of being reported continuously by the Greek side and I want to have my record clean now.

However, I want you to weigh and consider an alternative and/or additional suggestion. I think that instead of applying sanctions that will just anger or throw off good wikipedians, all 8 people (including myself) be forced to log a percentage of the overall monthly edits to the creation of a WikiProject Albania#Greek-Albanian cooperation board similar to the Misplaced Pages:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board (see also my proposal in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albania#Greek-Albanian_cooperation_board.), or better, are forced to do only that in the next month or so, before the board reaches a certain form, so that the articles are clean of disputes and a consensus is reached before the edits go to the article.

Please let me know your thoughts. I believe this cooperation board will get us 8 (and others) closer and we will publicly bring there our content differences before they go to the article. Besides, similar to the Greek Turkish board we will focus on positive aspect of the Greek-Albanian relations. I believe that already a better understanding exists now as compared to what was going on 1 year ago. This board will bring our understanding to the next stage. Rather than sanctions, we need tools and ways to focus on collaboration.--_Sulmues 22:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Not a bad idea at first sight, I support the creation of this board. I was thinking of something along the lines of WP:BRD. If an editor from either side makes a bold edit that is reverted by an editor from the other side, both editors should then discuss it on the cooperation board. Any editors that revert after the discussion is initiated should then be sanctioned. I think this will greatly alleviate the problem of revert-warring. It should also alleviate the problem of meat and sockpuppet revert-only reinforcements that we have been seeing lately. In the last two months, there has been a surge in the numbers of revert-only SPAs. Accounts such as Tina Trendelina (talk · contribs), Stupidus Maximus (talk · contribs), Kushtrim123 (talk · contribs) and many many IPs (see here ). Athenean (talk) 03:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not certain a purely voluntary cooperation board will help much. If these people wanted to cooperate, they could have done so all the time; what has been stopping them? But they can't, and they can't even want to, because their aims in this project are simply incompatible. We have one group of people whose sole and exclusive purpose in being here is to minimize or throw into negative light the role of nation A in a contested region, and to to maximise or throw into positive light the role of nation B, and another group whose sole and exclusive aim is the precise opposite. We won't restore peace if we just teach these people to compromise and balance their agendas. Sorry for being cynical, but that will only educate clumsy POV-pushers into skilled POV-pushers. We can only restore peace if we show these people that both these agendas are not wanted in this project. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, then apply sanctions all around, screwit. I can abide by some sort of revert restriction (as I have in the past), but that will not solve the problem. Know why? Because of the innumerable sock and meatpuppets on the Albanian side (say what you want about the Greek side, they have not to date socked or run around frantically trying to recruit people). I note this madness started back around late February/early March with the IPs named in the SPI for Sarandioti. Since then we've had I don't know how many new Albanian revert-only SPAs appear, beginning with Kushtrim123. I count about a new one every week or so. And now, we have evidence that at least one of the Albanian users was running around the Albanian wiki trying to recruit people. Witness also how him and his partner Zarri run to every new account that makes an edit relating to anything vaguely Albanian "Mireseerdhe! Mireseerdhe! Join our squad!". God only knows what's going on off-wiki. You also don't suppose Sarandioti et al. decided to quietly go into the night after his last sock got blocked? No prizes for guessing who this is. I know for a fact he was raising hell on the Commons under his real name back in late Feb, right before this current mess started (and I think at least one of the current troublemakers may well be him). This will only be resolved when the main responsible for meatpuppet recruitment is identified and banned. Then, watch and see how quiet things will become once again. Athenean (talk) 07:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with FutureP and I find the idea of a cooperation board redundant. Most of these users have been here for 1 or more years if they wanted to co-operate with each other they wouldn't need a co-operation board. Stifle I think that as a first measure all users involved should be under 1RR as FutureP suggested, although all restrictions should vary according to each user's personal block log and previous restrictions. Situations where a user reaches 3 reverts and then users who edit only once in a while like Megistias (talk · contribs) come back te assist their reverting shouldn't be repeated. Athenean you seem to be very picky because you're omitting the fact you were openly trying to recruit and then he openly asked you to assist him in reverting . Anyone can welcome other users to wikipedia, that's what "Mire Se Erdhe" means. Yes, the 1RR is the best solution and it should be applied. And please be more civil right now you're bordering wp:wikidrama and wp:trolling with your speculations and comments of wanting to leave.--— ZjarriRrethues — 08:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Right then. I can't put anyone on discretionary sanctions unless they have first been served with notification of the decision. Stifle (talk) 18:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Aaron Martin (Football)

Hey there; now that he has finally played in a fully-pro league, and meets WP:ATHLETE, I am more than happy for Aaron Martin to have an article as he is now notable. Regards, Giant Snowman 02:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Rebekah Davis

I posted the following info at wp:und as instructed:

Rebekah Davis is the Democratic candidate for the US House of Representatives, Nebraska's 3rd District 2010 election. If she wins it will be an upset, the first Democrat to win in today's 3rd district of Nebraska. She has a grassroots campaign with many speaking engagements and is being covered by all local media outlets including Fox News. She is an "important and notable politician" by virtue of the fact that she is currently running and running in a district that came close to a party upset only in 1974 and 2006.

Thank you for your assistance. Timi361 Timi361 (talk) 14:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Clarification

Fair enough. However, since the disturbance is exclusively found on Albania-related topics, would you be willing to amend the restrictions so as to cover only topics related to Albania and Albanians rather than the Balkans as a whole? Also, there is the issue of rv-only sock/meatpuppet accounts like User:Piasoft (who is reverting as we speak ), User:Tina Trendelina, and especially User:Kushtrim123. Lastly does the restriction cover reverts of obvious vandalism and obvious sockpuppets of banned users? Athenean (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I disagree, the ban should cover all Balkans-areas since many of the articles are related to the Balkans in general. Piasoft and Kushtrim123 as far as I've seen aren't "rv-only accounts", for TinaTrendelina we can't make a judgment yet we'll have to wait for future contributions.--— ZjarriRrethues — 17:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't asking your opinion, I couldn't care less what you think. I am asking Stifle, so kindly butt out until he has answered. Athenean (talk) 17:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see a need to narrow the scope; edit warring is considered harmful irrespective of where it happens. I will provide some points of clarification on AE. Stifle (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW Tina Trendelina doesn't exist; did you misspell? Stifle (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

User talk:TinaTrendelina. She is the only one that User:Athenean has not accused yet of socketpuppetry. --_Sulmues 18:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

TinaTrendelina (talk · contribs), I had indeed mispelled it. Stupidus Maximus (talk · contribs) appears to be a sock of banned Guildenrich (talk · contribs), SPI is here . If he is cleared, he should also be served with a warning. There may be others, I will let you know if there are. Also, what about reverting obvious vandalism and obvious socks of banned users? Athenean (talk) 18:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I see it necessary to take part in this discussion. First, because users such as Athenean is accusing me of being a sockpuppets because I reverted his edits on 'Albania' related articles! FYI, I am a wikipedia user since 19 February 2008. I guess I am older here than user Athenean on wikipedia. Piasoft (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not accusing you of being a sockpuppet, I am merely pointing out that you have engaged in revert-warring recently, and should be appropriately sanctioned, like everyone else. Athenean (talk) 18:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Athenean you did. Second, you too are involved in these reverts. For Stiffle - The real problem here is about in some users, mainly of Greek nationality like Athenean or Alexikoua, that keep editing systematically Albanian articles or articles related to Albania! This is a serious problem because of their Greek POV on Albanian matters. It is known that even today, Albania and Greece have serious problems in their relationship as neighboring country and these users are engaged full time in editing albanian related articles. This can be clearly and easily shown in their contribs. This has to be taken into account from any administrator dealing with this issue. My self, have never seen touching any Greek related article, but here all we have to do is try to keep clean our few Albanian articles from users like Athenean or Alexikoua. At some point I see it appropriate to propose a ban on these users from editing articles related to Albania. Piasoft (talk) 18:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Your above comments are personal attacks and trolling. Stop it, or I will request that civility restrictions be placed on you. Athenean (talk) 19:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)