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The president of a diploma mill, posted by a student there. The president of a diploma mill, posted by a student there.

* '''Delete'''. ] 05:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Delete'''. ] 05:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
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* '''Speedy keep'''. Editor has nominated 8 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. Neal Weaver is the president of ]. Obviously, keep. --] 05:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Speedy keep'''. Editor has nominated 8 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. Neal Weaver is the president of ]. Obviously, keep. --] 05:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:: The only thing obvious is that you would want to keep it. --Q *: The only thing obvious is that you would want to keep it. --Q {{unsigned2|19:55, 18 January 2006|207.200.116.5}}
** '''Watch Out''' Potential branchstacking : .] 02:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC) *:: '''Watch Out''' Potential branchstacking : .] 02:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
⚫ *::And author has created dozens of articles on complete nonentities, largely connected to this diploma mill. - ] <sup>]]</sup>/<sub>]]</sub> ] '']'' 23:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

⚫ *:::So, are AfDs to be top-secret now or something? This one doesn't seem worth throwing in my vote, but I don't see a problem with telling people of an ongoing vote. ] 10:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
⚫ ::And author has created dozens of articles on complete nonentities, largely connected to this diploma mill. - ] <sup>]]</sup>/<sub>]]</sub> ] '']'' 23:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
⚫ :::So, are AfDs to be top-secret now or something? This one doesn't seem worth throwing in my vote, but I don't see a problem with telling people of an ongoing vote. ] 10:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Editor's number of deletion nominations is not an indicator of bad faith simply because it bothers another editor. Weaver is the President of a college with a Wiki entry--not unreasonable to keep, but alleged acts that might make him notable as a group are unverified and claimed without citation. Vote changed. - ] 05:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Delete'''. Editor's number of deletion nominations is not an indicator of bad faith simply because it bothers another editor. Weaver is the President of a college with a Wiki entry--not unreasonable to keep, but alleged acts that might make him notable as a group are unverified and claimed without citation. Vote changed. - ] 05:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::'''comment''' question being whether merely being the president of a college warrants a separate article.] 19:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC) *:'''comment''' question being whether merely being the president of a college warrants a separate article.] 19:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::: You're right...I was a tad hasty in writing the comment and left off some stuff. Assuming that the information in the article is correct, I think that it's possible that Weaver is trying to turn LBU into a more reputable institution. His policies probably had a hand in student growth. Mind you, personally, I still think it's a diploma mill, but less because they sell diplomas and more because they don't really ''educate'' anyone. If he had as much to do with the rewriting of the minimum educational standards for Ohio Christian schools, that might qualify, along with his presiding over a pretty significant growth of the Gospel Music Network. All of those things together might be reasonably notable, ''if true''. It's just occurred to me, however, that if someone wrote those kinds of things about someone Gastrich didn't like, he'd demand a "citation." We've seen that enough times. If Gastrich doesn't like or doesn't agree with the comments or information, he demands citations, yet posts most of his claims about his personal heroes without providing much in the way of proof. There are no citations for any of the claims about Weaver. I'm convinced. Dump it. - ] 02:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC) *:: You're right...I was a tad hasty in writing the comment and left off some stuff. Assuming that the information in the article is correct, I think that it's possible that Weaver is trying to turn LBU into a more reputable institution. His policies probably had a hand in student growth. Mind you, personally, I still think it's a diploma mill, but less because they sell diplomas and more because they don't really ''educate'' anyone. If he had as much to do with the rewriting of the minimum educational standards for Ohio Christian schools, that might qualify, along with his presiding over a pretty significant growth of the Gospel Music Network. All of those things together might be reasonably notable, ''if true''. It's just occurred to me, however, that if someone wrote those kinds of things about someone Gastrich didn't like, he'd demand a "citation." We've seen that enough times. If Gastrich doesn't like or doesn't agree with the comments or information, he demands citations, yet posts most of his claims about his personal heroes without providing much in the way of proof. There are no citations for any of the claims about Weaver. I'm convinced. Dump it. - ] 02:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. hius qualifications are from a diploma mill. self-styled religious leader.] 06:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Delete'''. hius qualifications are from a diploma mill. self-styled religious leader.] 06:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Notable enough. A list of publications would be a big improvement. ] 07:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep'''. Notable enough. A list of publications would be a big improvement. ] 07:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Easy Delete''' - not notable, the LBU article contains sufficient information about him. -] 17:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Easy Delete''' - not notable, the LBU article contains sufficient information about him. -] 17:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nn. ] 19:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Delete''' as nn. ] 19:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' This article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See ]. --Q *'''Delete''' This article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See ]. --Q {{unsigned2|19:55, 18 January 2006|207.200.116.5}}
* '''Strong keep''' President of a university, and published author ] 21:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Strong keep''' President of a university, and published author ] 21:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as per WarriorScribe, but I would appreciate it if the author of this article could provide references for the two books and "numerous articles" written by this figure. ] 22:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' as per WarriorScribe, but I would appreciate it if the author of this article could provide references for the two books and "numerous articles" written by this figure. ] 22:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' Subject is not very notable, but the article can still be of use if kept NPOV. For me, limited notability doesn't not automatically warrant deletion. ··· ] · ] ··· 07:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' Subject is not very notable, but the article can still be of use if kept NPOV. For me, limited notability doesn't not automatically warrant deletion. ··· ] · ] ··· 07:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. If WikiMedia Foundation sets up a fully linked in WikiBiography, I would support moving these minor notables over to it. Until then, they have enough connection with people, organizations, and issues to keep around. --] 12:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep'''. If WikiMedia Foundation sets up a fully linked in WikiBiography, I would support moving these minor notables over to it. Until then, they have enough connection with people, organizations, and issues to keep around. --] 12:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Definitely keep''' Might need a bit of cleaning up, but looks appropiate for a Misplaced Pages article. Article is informative, subject is notable. Is someone trying to wipe the name LBU off the face of the earth? - ] <sup>] *'''Definitely keep''' Might need a bit of cleaning up, but looks appropiate for a Misplaced Pages article. Article is informative, subject is notable. Is someone trying to wipe the name LBU off the face of the earth? - ] <sup>]

*'''Strong Keep''' This is a perfectly viable encyclopedia article on a public institution that could very well be the subject of someone's research in the future. In such an event, wikipedia would come in handy. That is what wikipedia is for. I haven't heard a single good argument to why this should be deleted. When you found a university, you can post about its notaries too. Until then, stfu. ] 15:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Strong Keep''' This is a perfectly viable encyclopedia article on a public institution that could very well be the subject of someone's research in the future. In such an event, wikipedia would come in handy. That is what wikipedia is for. I haven't heard a single good argument to why this should be deleted. When you found a university, you can post about its notaries too. Until then, stfu. ] 15:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete:''' per nom. ] 16:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Delete:''' per nom. ] 16:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong Keep''' President of a University (whether or not is a "Diploma Mill" is irrelevant. Discuss such in Article or fix POV), Published Author] 17:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Strong Keep''' President of a University (whether or not is a "Diploma Mill" is irrelevant. Discuss such in Article or fix POV), Published Author] 17:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' same as above. --] 17:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Keep''' same as above. --] 17:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' I see little reason to delete this article. --] 17:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' I see little reason to delete this article. --] 17:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' notable enough. ] 18:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' notable enough. ] 18:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' barely squeeks by WP:BIO imo. &nbsp;]]] 18:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Keep''' barely squeeks by WP:BIO imo. &nbsp;]]] 18:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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Neal Weaver

The president of a diploma mill, posted by a student there.

  • Speedy keep. Editor has nominated 8 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. Neal Weaver is the president of Louisiana Baptist University. Obviously, keep. --Jason Gastrich 05:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    The only thing obvious is that you would want to keep it. --Q — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.5 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    Watch Out Potential branchstacking : .Blnguyen 02:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
    And author has created dozens of articles on complete nonentities, largely connected to this diploma mill. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 23:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    So, are AfDs to be top-secret now or something? This one doesn't seem worth throwing in my vote, but I don't see a problem with telling people of an ongoing vote. Rogue 9 10:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Editor's number of deletion nominations is not an indicator of bad faith simply because it bothers another editor. Weaver is the President of a college with a Wiki entry--not unreasonable to keep, but alleged acts that might make him notable as a group are unverified and claimed without citation. Vote changed. - WarriorScribe 05:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    comment question being whether merely being the president of a college warrants a separate article.Mark K. Bilbo 19:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    You're right...I was a tad hasty in writing the comment and left off some stuff. Assuming that the information in the article is correct, I think that it's possible that Weaver is trying to turn LBU into a more reputable institution. His policies probably had a hand in student growth. Mind you, personally, I still think it's a diploma mill, but less because they sell diplomas and more because they don't really educate anyone. If he had as much to do with the rewriting of the minimum educational standards for Ohio Christian schools, that might qualify, along with his presiding over a pretty significant growth of the Gospel Music Network. All of those things together might be reasonably notable, if true. It's just occurred to me, however, that if someone wrote those kinds of things about someone Gastrich didn't like, he'd demand a "citation." We've seen that enough times. If Gastrich doesn't like or doesn't agree with the comments or information, he demands citations, yet posts most of his claims about his personal heroes without providing much in the way of proof. There are no citations for any of the claims about Weaver. I'm convinced. Dump it. - WarriorScribe 02:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. hius qualifications are from a diploma mill. self-styled religious leader.Blnguyen 06:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable enough. A list of publications would be a big improvement. Logophile 07:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. President of the LBU is perhaps a measure of notability for some, though I personally disagree that being at the head of a notable organisation makes one notable oneself. Very little proof that any of the article's other claims are true or notable, unsurprising given his credentials. --Malthusian (talk) 09:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
If it is kept for that reason it should be merged with LBU. Afterall other than LBU's link at the bottom there are no sources. As for the place where he got 3 out of 4 of his non-LBU related degrees (Baptist Christian University is LBU), do a search for that school, "Eastern Baptist Institute." That will tell you something about this person. As for the Korean awards, ect. there are no sources. The claims about his church are uncited. Outside of the figures LBU gives we don't know how many people this guy is notable to. More importantly if LBU barely escaped its own deletion, why should its "President" who has 5 unaccredited degrees, unknown books/readers and uncited awards get his own. Yes, it is important to have some facts about the "President," but if this article is only to be a selling point for LBU/LBU related, relevant facts should be merged the rest deleted. ---Filler
I appreciate (and encourage) your attention to detail, but I'm the Admin who locked the LBU article and had the distinct pleasure of wading through the NewsGroupish debating/bickering to try and get it moving forward. So I'm familiar with the situation... too familiar. :"D You're making a good case for a merge, but I felt my vote here needed to be strong enough to stem the tide... as misguided as that was. It will likely be merged; by me. RoyBoy 08:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)