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Hi there. You recently deleted the ] article under CSD:G12, presumably from . However given the nature of that page and how it is written, I suspect that it was probably copied from the WP article rather than the other way round. Please advise how we can get this restored. Thanks. <sub><font color="#007700">]</font></sub><sup><font color="#ff8040">]</font></sup> 14:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Hi there. You recently deleted the ] article under CSD:G12, presumably from . However given the nature of that page and how it is written, I suspect that it was probably copied from the WP article rather than the other way round. Please advise how we can get this restored. Thanks. <sub><font color="#007700">]</font></sub><sup><font color="#ff8040">]</font></sup> 14:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It seems like that may be the case, since there are stylistic choices that are similar to Misplaced Pages articles. However, as the deleted article does not cite sources, there is no way to know for sure. A good place to start would be asking the webmaster who wrote that bio. If he says he got it from Misplaced Pages, then I can restore it and notify him about copyright infringement. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 15:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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Regarding an earlier comment of yours

Well, unfortunately, the goatse image was deleted. But I recall a comment you made back in the initial DRV of March 22nd; Just a note - I have found and sent a message to the person whose anus we all know and love, seeing if he would be willing to license the image under a compatible license, to eliminate the NFCC concerns. Did you ever receive a response? Tarc (talk) 19:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

No, I have not yet received a response. I found him through an...erm...adult-oriented image website, so there's no telling how often he checks his messages. As soon as I hear back from him, i'll figure it out. If I can get it relicensed through OTRS and uploaded to Commons, i'll make sure people know about it. The Wordsmith 19:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Talk page stalker. Good luck with that and let me know if you need help. Hobit (talk) 07:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Hopper deletion

Hi. I notice that yesterday you deleted Christopher Hopper, stating it had no sources and didn't assert his notability. I gather that's you performing a speedy deletion. Though i don't fully follow the process, i would have said that "All improperly sourced articles about living people may be subject to deletion per the standard deletion processes" from here was relevant, and that doesn't suggest immediate deletion. Can i ask you to restore it, please, and maybe start a deletion discussion? Cheers, Lindsay 03:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I deleted it because it was unsourced and didn't indicate why the person is notable. This fits speedy deletion criteria A7 (An article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant.) If you can provide sources for it, I will undelete it for you. The Wordsmith 03:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Could you undelete to my userspace, then, please, and i will see about finding sources. I don't know exactly how that userspace stuff works, but i know i've seen people talking about it. Cheers, Lindsay 16:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I won't restore unreferenced BLPs to userspace. With other articles its okay, but for BLPs userfication is frowned upon, because once they're in userspace, they get much harder to track and, if necessary, delete. There are probably over a thousand unreferenced BLPs in userspace, and we have no way of finding out where they are and getting rid of them. If you can provide me just one source that meets WP:RS, i'll undelete it for you though. The Wordsmith 17:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:What_Mediation_Cabal_is_not

Hi there Wordsmith, I was trying to look into mediation and I found the following:

Simple vandalism or user conduct
MedCab mostly handles content disputes. While there is often overlap between content and conduct, simple user conduct disputes should be taken elsewhere.
If you have a problem editor who is simply vandalizing, and not discussing the issue, take your dispute to AIV; if operating multiple accounts in a manner inconsistent with policy, take it to Sockpuppet Investigations. If an editor is operating against consensus or otherwise simply being disruptive, we've got a place for that, too.

I think the case is mostly user conduct based and the proof for this is simple. By reviewing the last ~100 edits to the page most of them are disruptive reverts that attempt to force a mass blanking without consensus. Happenstance also readily admits that he filed a baseless Afd, where he "never intended to delete the article" just to make a WP:POINT and use it as a soapbox . It would be easier to sort out the conduct issues first at ANI as the recommendation above says, because after this amount of reverting against consensus, the amount of ignorance of , WP:POINT, WP:BRD, WP:3RR, (not just from Happenstance but others as well) and I think other issues will need to be resolved first. What's your opinion on this, is it better to sort out conduct first? Hobartimus (talk) 08:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh, this is good. *grabs a bucket of popcorn* I've said my piece, I have nothing more to add. —what a crazy random happenstance 09:26, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Hobartimus, what abou WP:BURO and "A procedural error made in posting anything, such as a proposal or nomination, is not grounds for invalidating that post." . You are trying to protect a sub-par article from being improved because you want to cement your own POV. Wladthemlat (talk) 12:26, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Got time for IRC?

Time right now is 18:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Having discussion with Ludwigs, would like you to join. Xavexgoem (talk) 18:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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Dispute that could use your touch

See Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for mediation/Christ myth theory, Talk:Christ myth theory, and ANI. Do you think this is something you and/or MedCab could help out with? NW (Talk) 21:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh gods, that's...insane. I really don't think that mercantile can help, and my own very strong biases towards Christianity means I should stay away from that area. My applause for your work with it though, it looks like you did a great job. The Wordsmith 13:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi, Wordsmith. You may remember me from here. Just to let you know that our agreement expires today, so i hope that i fulfilled you expectation. :) Anyway, thanks for your helpful eye during those two weeks, and i hope that i can ask for you in the future. All best! --Tadija 15:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you

Really thanks for blocking Tadija, he is always spamming Albanian people. We want to ignore it, but he threat us with reports. You really make me happy! --Vinie007 20:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

just know that I'm not taking sides on this. If anyone else steps over the line they will be blocked as well. That topic is a notorious problem here. The Wordsmith 00:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes i understand, but still thanks!

Dell Schanze

I was surprised you deleted Dell Schanze. I don't recall ever seeing an article deleted because of BLP problems, but WP:BLPDEL is there for a reason. Thanks for intervening with that mess. --Ronz (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

It has happened before. We even have a speedy deletion criteria for attack pages (G11), but it is rarely used with established articles such as this one. I have a good faith belief that deleting that hatchet job was in the best interests of the encyclopedia, but I am sure it will be controversial. To other editors who wish to complain here: constructive criticism is welcome, but I will not restore the article history. I will not object to a sourced stub on this person, but if you want to re-add that mess of BLP violations, DRV is over this way. The Wordsmith 03:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Nitpick: It's G10 NW (Talk) 03:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
In response to a question about this article, I have made a rather negative comment about your deletion on my talk page, and it is only fair that you should be aware of it. I agree that the article should be deleted, but you should have relied on the community to do it, not over-ridden a community decision. You and I and NW are correct that it is not fit for Misplaced Pages, but we need to convince others of that, not assume they will follow us. DGG ( talk ) 03:29, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Why not just reinstate and send to AfD to avoid drama? Eric Ely was properly resolved that way.--Milowent (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree. The article has been in much the same form for the past three years. Why the grandstanding emergency? Is Mr. Schanze going to be defamed in the next three minutes? Mr. Schanze regularly edits the article himself and apparently has no objections to it since his edits are typically to add material, not to remove it. Who exactly is being protected here? This is a pretty bad call. Reswobslc (talk) 05:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
How do we know that the edits in question are Mr. Schanze himself, and not an imposter? Has he confirmed through OTRS? Either way, the article is an embarrassment to Misplaced Pages and to our BLP policy. It appears to be a onesided hatchet-job, and thus fell within admin discretion as allowed by WP:BLPDEL. I took swift action in the interest of doing no harm. The result at AFD probably would have been to delete. Hell, even DGG wanted it gone (though he objects that I didn't use the AFD process). Doing the right thing in the wrong way is still the right thing. Constructive discussion is allowed here, otherwise you know where to find DRV. The Wordsmith 05:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Could you userfy it for me? I'm looking at pretty extensive non-trivial sources from multiple newspapers and TV, over a number of years (since 2001 fairly steady through today), and highly tempted to recreate. The arrests aren't the important thing, the man is a self-made millionaire, a daredevil, and a repeated candidate for fairly high office (including as we speak). --GRuban (talk) 17:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for being civil. I do have a general policy of not userfying articles with BLP issues, because they become much harder to track and delete once they're in userspace. Especially in this case, the entire article history violates our policies. However, what I can do for you is email you a copy of the article. You can work on it offline (much, if not most, of the content will probably need to be removed), and then upload a new article that is fully compliant with our policies. Does that sound like an acceptable compromise? The Wordsmith 18:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Certainly, sounds quite fair. Thank you. And thank you for being civil as well. :-) --GRuban (talk) 19:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't seem to have gotten anything yet, though I did email you. Did the Interwebs eat it? --GRuban (talk) 11:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I re-sent it, hopefully you've gotten it. The Wordsmith 15:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Got something now, thanks! --GRuban (talk) 15:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Defense & Strategic Studies

I notice that you recently deleted this article under CSD G11. I removed the G11 tag because I found it very unlikely that West Point would be spamming Misplaced Pages. In any case the article didn't look like blatant promotion but it did need work. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:23, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

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Vladimir Luxuria

Look at these links: for Theirrulez ( ) and Grifter72. By --Dispe (talk) 19:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

... at this moment you have blocked a page that is contrasting with sources: http://legxv.camera.it/cartellecomuni/leg15/include/contenitore_dati.asp?tipopagina=&deputato=d301519&source=/deputatism/240/documentoxml.asp&position=Deputati\La%20Scheda%20Personale&Pagina=Deputati/Composizione/SchedeDeputati/SchedeDeputati.asp%3Fdeputato=d301519

--Grifter72 (talk) 20:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Propose a change, get consensus for it, and then use {{editprotected}} on the article talkpage. I didn't check to see which version it was one before I protected it. The Wordsmith 20:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, the other part is not participating... I wait --Grifter72 (talk) 20:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


Civility

Ref I would be delighted if you could give me examples of where I have been uncivil, it would help me to improve. --BozMo talk 18:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think I was referring specifically to you, but i'm sure you have at some point. Every single long-term Misplaced Pages editor, including myself, has been uncivil at some point or another. Doesn't mean its right, but it is something we have all done sometime. If you like though, I can check through your contribs to look for examples. The Wordsmith 18:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

You have e-mail

Sent a message your way. I've watchlisted your talk page, in case you prefer to respond on-wiki. Regards, AGK 23:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Back at you. AGK 00:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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unblock offer

I extended your offer (that you made dave souza and Cla68) to ChrisO as well, seemed reasonable to me. ++Lar: t/c 14:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Fine by me, I must have missed that one. The Wordsmith 15:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Good deal. Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 15:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Topic ban

I would like to appeal the topic ban you have issued. I was careful not to make more than 1 revert, but I forgot to write on the talkpage. It was an honest mistake. The restrictions are still new, and I am not used to them. That said, I did breach the terms of the editing restrictions and I take responsibility for my action. I can understand being blocked for something like this, but a 6 month topic ban for forgetting to write on the talkpage seems overly harsh, especially considering the restrictions would end at the end of June. I ask you to reconsider. Since this is the first time I am in breach, would you consider amending the penalty? In such situations I have seen users get issued with a block, but never a 6 month topic ban. I will be much more careful in the future and if you were to amending your decision, as a sign of good faith I will abide by 0R for the duration of the sanctions imposed by Stifle. Regards, Athenean (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Your appeal does seem sincere, and I will take it into consideration while I decide. Thank you for understanding why I imposed the restriction, and for being civil while I consider options for commuting it. I will let you know when I make my decision. The Wordsmith 20:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
If I may just interject, six months does seem a bit on the draconian side. Athenean is normally one of the more reasonable editors in this field. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Six months seem reasonable enough. I agree with both bans, but if Athenean's ban is eventually reduced(to four months maybe?) kedadi's should also be reduced similarly as he is too one of the reasonable editors.--— ZjarriRrethues —  21:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the ban. Maybe four months are OK! Stupidus Maximus (talk) 21:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Ban appeal

Hi there Wordsmith, how is it going?

I would like to appeal to my ban for Balkan-related articles. I am a recent changes patroller on Kosovo and Albania-related articles and usually fight vandalism on those areas (Kosovo-related articles tend to have much more biased edits because of the political status of Kosovo). That revision that I've reverted, was actually an obvious vandalism which can also be seen in the revision history of that article.

To be honest, I am taking very seriously the sanctions on which I am placed. Reverts like that on the Štrpce article, shouldn't be a problem as Stifle has stated on WP:ARBMAC.

Cheers. kedadial 23:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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Clarification needed

Would it be a violation of my topic ban if I participated in the following SPI discussion (it concerns an editor who is from the Balkans)? I am the initiator of the SPI and I have some potentially crucial WP:DUCK evidence to present. Btw, if you were to take a look at the SPI itself, I would be much obliged. Best, Athenean (talk) 22:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes? No? Athenean (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
No, it would not be a violation of the ban. The ban that I enacted applies only to editing articles, not discussions or other parts of Misplaced Pages. The Wordsmith 20:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Great, thanks for the clarification. Athenean (talk) 20:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ronnie Baxter

Hi there. You recently deleted the Ronnie Baxter article under CSD:G12, presumably from here. However given the nature of that page and how it is written, I suspect that it was probably copied from the WP article rather than the other way round. Please advise how we can get this restored. Thanks. wjemather 14:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems like that may be the case, since there are stylistic choices that are similar to Misplaced Pages articles. However, as the deleted article does not cite sources, there is no way to know for sure. A good place to start would be asking the webmaster who wrote that bio. If he says he got it from Misplaced Pages, then I can restore it and notify him about copyright infringement. The Wordsmith 15:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)