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James Combs

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This AfD process has been further disrupted by a suspected sockpuppet of Jason Gastrich (talk · contribs), Wiggins2 (talk · contribs). See his contributions: they consist almost solely of soliciting others to come to these AfDs and vote keep.

As a result of the serial disruption of AfD and other questionable behaviour, I have raised a user RfC on Jason Gastrich, see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Jason Gastrich. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• Rebuttal: Everything above was posted to skew the voting and make people turn against me and bias their viewpoint of the nomination and the entry. It's a pretty sick tactic. It shows they care little about the actual strength of the entry; which should be the only thing considered. Since the "warnings" have been posted, some people have even said that they've voted only because of the alleged misconduct. Consequently, they and the people who are engaging in this witchhunt should be ashamed of themselves. They've done irreparable damage to their integrity and to Misplaced Pages. --Jason Gastrich 00:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Minor figure "notable" mainly as the provost of a diploma mill. Delete. A.J.A. 05:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as leader of a self-promoting vanity organization.Blnguyen 05:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy keep. Editor has nominated 10 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. Combs is very notable for his work on the Prophecy Study Bible, his television appearances, his work in the field of Bible prophecy, etc. --Jason Gastrich 05:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

comment resorting to personal attacks on the editor isn't helping your case. Mark K. Bilbo 19:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Number of deletion nominations are not an indicator of anything other than "good faith" simply because one person doesn't care to see his articles nominated. Subject is not "very notable" because he has a little-known Bible program and is not all that well known in the field of prophesy except within a small segment of Christendom. Not "very notable" because of one person's opinion. Notability is a result of concensus. - WarriorScribe 05:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable enough. Logophile 07:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• • You keep posting "notable enough." I'm curious: In what way? - WarriorScribe 12:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - what criterion for notability does this person satisfy? Being an editor of a magazine? Uh, no. --Pierremenard 11:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - is a nonentity. Mention on the LBU page is as much mention as he deserves. -Harvestdancer 17:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Mark K. Bilbo 19:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete This article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people. --Q
• Delete more cruft from Jason Gastrich (talk · contribs) (check those contribs, people) Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 23:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this agreeing with JzG. Eusebeus 23:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Dlyons493 Talk 02:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Guettarda 03:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.--nixie 04:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. This is Gastrichcruft. Stifle 17:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Article seems well documented, and the provost of a well known school should be in wikipedia (believe it or not, it is well known in some circles). What the hell did Gastrich do to a deletionist to get this kind of treatment? We should not be telling all our friends to go vote to delete articles. This faction stuff is hurting the wiki. If the article contains garbage, we should clean it up, but if the article is well cited, keep it. Wikipeida space is very cheap. That said, you might want to mention the school's controversy in this page to keep things NPOV. Brokenfrog 20:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Well documented? There no citations in the body of the article. And Louisiana Baptist University is not well known by any stretch.

• Delete per Guy. BrokenFrog, this guy is not notable, and what Gastrich did was write a bunch of vanity cruft. KillerChihuahua 21:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Being an official for a non-accredited university isn't sufficient claim for notability. -Colin Kimbrell 21:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep university-related topics are notable. Cynical 21:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete NN: I disagree that "university-related topics are notable" - I wouldn't write articles on every lecturer at the University of Cape Town, despite it being more widely accredited/recognised. --대조 | Talk 16:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge if he's so incredibly notable, into the page for the university...there is not enough notability to warrant an entire article on this guy. bcatt 22:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Devein 22:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per KillerChihuahua --kingboyk 23:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Subject is not very notable, but the article can still be of use if kept NPOV. For me, limited notability doesn't not automatically warrant deletion. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 07:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Notability is limited, but it's there; this isn't some guy writing about Joe Average for the hell of it. Again, not liking the institution has little bearing on the rest of it. Rogue 9 10:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Tired of this. Too much effort deleting and not enough creating or improving. --StuffOfInterest 12:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Abstain. As soon as this started turning into a Christian vs. everyone else debate I lost interest. Unfortunately, many of those voting keep are claiming that everyone else is anti-Christian. This wasn't so, but if it is repeated enough it may become truth. --StuffOfInterest 16:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
• Unashamed keep Per reasons above. The guy has been working with this for 60 years! The guy's obviously notable and he needs an article. Too many are taking out more than they give. - 13:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC) The Great Gavini
• Delete per nom. Doing something non-notable for 60 years does not make it notable. Postdlf 21:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep--Hayson 21:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Similar reasons to Mike Randall article. If the articles can be improved to establish some notability I will reconsider. Andrewa 22:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

There have been no good reasons to delete Mike Randall. He's the president of a regionally accredited university, a pastor for 22 years, and a long-time editor of two publications. Please don't tell me that you are one of the ignorant ones still saying that his university is a diploma mill. --Jason Gastrich 05:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I don't see anything notable about provosts. Provost (education) doesn't mention any by name. At any rate, if there are any notable provosts, I'd presume that they would come from accredited state universities, or at least accredited, high-ranking private schools. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 22:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (weak) per great gavini.the1physicist 23:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep baceuse it is part of an article series, but so short and quite uninformative, should be improven. Gubbubu 23:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• DeleteJim62sch 02:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• ATTENTION

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people_%28second_nomination%29 "Something very funny happened today. I got two identical emails from Jason Gastrich through Misplaced Pages. You can make up your own mind as to whether this qualifies for meat-puppetry or stacking the vote. Here's the email. --Cyde Weys 16:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)"

Hello,

I noticed that you were listed as a Christian Wikipedian. I am, too. I wanted to let you know that in the last 24 hours, someone has nominated 12 Christian biography entries for deletion. Not only does this seem like bad faith and an affront to a lot of hard work, but I'd like you to come and vote on the entries. These nominations seem peculiar because some people are even presidents of universities and well known authors.

Below are some of the links that need attention. Thanks for your consideration.

By the way, I recently started an organization called Wiki4Christ (see http://wiki4christ.com). If you’d like to join a network of Christians with a purpose on Misplaced Pages, please see our site!

Sincerely,

Jason Gastrich

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people_%28second_nomination%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/J._Otis_Ledbetter

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ron_Moseley

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mike_Randall

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Thomas_Ice

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/James_Combs

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Neal_Weaver

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Dorim_Kim

Thats insinuating bullshit. There is nothing wrong with alerting users to the fact that a bunch of delete-wannabies are attacking articles and demanding they get deleted without having any good reasons at all for the delete except the POV rantings of a guy that for some reason got to be an admin. Itake 01:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Itake, that is "meatpuppetry" at its finest. As for the complaints about the admin, we're right back to Argument by insinuation. I also received the same email, and frankly felt it was in bad faith--skirting the edges of honesty. Stow the complaints and cut the foul language. The article has been nominated: let the nomination take its course without raising personal issues. Justin Eiler 01:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Meatpuppetry would be the user having all his friends register and then vote. ENLIGHTENING other wikipedian users about this problem is in no way meatpuppetry. The one who raised personal issues here was Cyde, accusing the author of using multies and cheating. That's bad, and it needs a counterreaction. There is nothing dishonest about that mail, not in one place does the author of the letter tell a lie or similar. He doesn't even tell, he doesn't even ENCOURAGE people to vote "Keep". Not meatpuppetry in any way, if you are going to continue accusing him of meatpuppetry you need to present a convincing argument for it. Otherwise it will only be a continuation of the lies and slander you people are already throwing the author. Itake 01:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Dude, are you serious? What, precisely, do you think(?) this means? "I wanted to let you know that in the last 24 hours, someone has nominated 12 Christian biography entries for deletion. Not only does this seem like bad faith and an affront to a lot of hard work, but I'd like you to come and vote on the entries." Come on, dude, wake up and smell the, as you so aptly put it, bullshit. Jim62sch 02:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

To Itake: "Insinuating" ... this guy is shopping for votes calling those who want to delete the pages as people with "bad faith." Using Christ as a tool to get votes. Targeting those of religion with religion for keep votes. Arbustoo 03:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Keep if not for the "diploma mill" for his other activities. --Vizcarra 01:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Arbustoo 03:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Spondoolicks 20:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as this person does not meet WP:BIO. Cyde Weys 20:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. I wouldn't like to be the closing admin. Stifle 00:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
• Abstain with preference to merge. The article is very small & the article's subject is very unnotable. Although I would probably choose fixing rather than deletion, I have no real concern if it's delted or kept. I have no opinion. Therefore, I abstain. Further Note: I was brought here, like many others by Wiggins2, or as he wants to be called, "Wiggie". I think we shouldn't be so quick to shoot him down, as I, & probably many others, are grateful for his post to draw our attention to this subject. I wouldn't mind if the other "side" did the same. But we cannot ignore the fact that this is defintely going to open wikipedia into two halves; Those who want to keep. Those who don't. I.E. Christians, & others. However, this should not be about religion. I would be ashamed of the christians on here if they only voted to keep the articles because they were christian orientated. This should strictly be business as usual, even though it does seem strange an editor would nominate so many christian articles. Maybe a hidden agenda? If an article's crap, then it should be deleted. Being an inclusionist, I will probably keep the most mundane article. However, the list of notable people list is like many others, & should not be here. To do so would be obvious bias. I ask everyone to not be drawn in with a strict "You're wrong, I'm right" situation, but be open & find a way to keep peaceful.... Spawn Man 04:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC). BTW, I hope my vote isn't discounted, I count myself as a influencial editor...

The only reason so many Christian articles were nominated in a big batch like this is because they were all created by the same user in a short period of time, and on non-notable people (or at least not notable enough to need their own article, I do think that some should certainly be highlighted in the main article of the institution they are connected to). This seems to be done with the intention of promoting an institution that the user is affiliated with, and not because the subjects of the articles are actual notable enough to warrant a dedicated article. The fact that they are Christian is coincidence. I would get the same reaction if I suddenly decided to create a batch of articles for all the instructors who taught at the photography school I went to (granted, some of them are quite notable, but many are not notable enough to warrant a dedicated article). bcatt 04:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I know this, but not many people are going to take that it was a "coincidence". As I've said, this could unlock a misunderstood-holy-wiki-war!!!! Omigosh batman!!!!! Spawn Man 04:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Ugh...maybe I should take a break from my usual wikianderings and do a bunch of articles on my school and it's faculty and alumni just so many of those will also be voted for deletion, just so I can show that these deletions aren't religiously biased. The most ridiculous part is that the ones screaming religious bias are the ones creating religiously biased articles...it is no more wrong to want to delete an article because it is religious, than it is to want to create an unnecessary article for promotionally religious purposes - they are almost the same thing. Misplaced Pages is not the place to debate or try to prove which is the "one true religion", it is a place to describe all the different types of religion from a completely NPOV. bcatt 05:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: The following votes were deleted by User:Greatgavini in this edit.  ALKIVAR™ 10:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep This is a perfectly viable encyclopedia article on a public institution that could very well be the subject of someone's research in the future. In such an event, wikipedia would come in handy. That is what wikipedia is for. I haven't heard a single good argument to why this should be deleted. Itake 15:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: per nom. Justin Eiler 16:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Hey, inclusionists, doesn't your philosophy want to keep content, or is it all about the number of articles? Do you also want to keep waste? -Harvestdancer 17:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep same as above. --Yonghokim 17:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Per Itake Wynler 17:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I see little reason to delete this article. --Shanedidona 17:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Salva veritate! Lerner 18:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per Colin Kimbrell. Sufficient notability for inclusion (as per WP:BIO) is not established within this article. Hall Monitor 18:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete 60 years in a field is definately long enough to make you notable for wikipedia... but he doesnt have anything in there that makes him pass the WP:BIO guidelines... sorry.  ALKIVAR™ 18:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Very Strong Delete. If people want to keep this article because he is a provost, I should point out EVERY DEPARTMENT in EVERY UNIVERSITY has a provost. So some schools have 70 people who are a provost. Thus, it does not make one notable by itself. This is person has no notable qualities and doe snot meet Misplaced Pages criteria. Arbustoo 00:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Very Strong Delete - As per Arbutsoo. This guy is no more notable than the next, a provost? Come on! Just because he works at a university doesn't mean he's notable. I could reel off a crapload of people who lecture at my uni, and no, they're not notable. - Hahnchen 01:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)