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| *Can we get a link to all the CFDs in question please? ] (]) 08:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | *Can we get a link to all the CFDs in question please? ] (]) 08:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
| **Good idea. They were speedied all over the place ''mostly'' by User {{user|Mayumashu}} with the help of User {{user|Cyde}}. They have been notified of the DRV , and Users {{user|Good Olfactory}} also knows where some of the skeletons are all hidden and has been notified , and {{user|Explicit}} and hopefully they will show what they did. They hold the keys to this realm, and in spite of no consensus for such an important set of changes, they went ahead with this massive overhaul that has created more problems than it purports to "solve". ] (]) 09:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | **Good idea. They were speedied all over the place ''mostly'' by User {{user|Mayumashu}} with the help of User {{user|Cyde}}. They have been notified of the DRV , and Users {{user|Good Olfactory}} also knows where some of the skeletons are all hidden and has been notified , and {{user|Explicit}} and hopefully they will show what they did. They hold the keys to this realm, and in spite of no consensus for such an important set of changes, they went ahead with this massive overhaul that has created more problems than it purports to "solve". ] (]) 09:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ***Thanks. I'd like to hear the deleters' reasons for the actions before I jump to any conclusions. ] (]) 09:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Overturn''', per IZAK. As IZAK points out, these different category labels convey quite different meanings, and some discussion is required before such a change. Frankly, I'm not sure which is better, because a label like "Mexican American" implies to me a first-generation immigrant, whereas "American of Mexican Descent" seems more inclusive of subsequent generations. In any event, someone needs to make a convincing argument as to which system provides the better taxonomy for member articles. —] (]) 09:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | * '''Overturn''', per IZAK. As IZAK points out, these different category labels convey quite different meanings, and some discussion is required before such a change. Frankly, I'm not sure which is better, because a label like "Mexican American" implies to me a first-generation immigrant, whereas "American of Mexican Descent" seems more inclusive of subsequent generations. In any event, someone needs to make a convincing argument as to which system provides the better taxonomy for member articles. —] (]) 09:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Categories:American Jews/Jewish people by fooian descent
- Category:Austrian Jewish people of Hungarian descent: Category:Austrian Jewish people of Hungarian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Hungarian-Austrian Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Hungarian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Hungarian descent and Hungary is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Hungarian Jews from Austria-Hungary+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Mexican descent: Category:American Jews of Mexican descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Mexican American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Mexican descent" can mean of non-Jewish Mexican descent and Mexico is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Mexican American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Spanish descent: Category:American Jews of Spanish descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Spanish American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Spanish descent" can mean of non-Jewish Spanish descent and Spain is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Spanish American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Portuguese descent: Category:American Jews of Portuguese descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Portuguese American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Portuguese descent" can mean of non-Jewish Portuguese descent and Portugal is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Portuguese American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Italian descent: Category:American Jews of Italian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Italian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Italian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Italian descent and Italy is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Italian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of French descent: Category:American Jews of French descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:French-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of French descent" can mean of non-Jewish French descent and France is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While French American+Jews is clear and correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Ukrainian descent: Category:American Jews of Ukrainian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Ukrainian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Ukrainian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Ukrainian descent and Ukraine is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Ukrainian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Russian descent: Category:American Jews of Russian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Russian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Russian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Russian descent and Russia is mostly Russian Orthodox Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Russian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Polish descent: Category:American Jews of Polish descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Polish-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Polish descent" can mean of non-Jewish Polish descent and Poland is mostly Catholic. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Polish American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Czech descent: Category:American Jews of Czech descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Czech-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Czech descent" can mean of non-Jewish Czech descent and the Czechs are mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Czech American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Belarusian descent: Category:American Jews of Belarusian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Belarusian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Belarusia descent" can mean of non-Jewish Belarusia descent and Belarusia is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Belarusian American+Jews is clear and correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:49, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Slavic descent: Category:American Jews of Slavic descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Slavic American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Slavic descent" can mean of non-Jewish Slavic descent and Slavia is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Slavic American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Romanian descent: Category:American Jews of Romanian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Romanian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Romanian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Romanian descent and Romania is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Romanian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Hungarian descent: Category:American Jews of Hungarian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:Hungarian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Hungarian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Hungarian descent and Hungary is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Hungarian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Swiss descent: Category:American Jews of Swiss descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Swiss-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Swiss descent" can mean of non-Jewish Swiss descent and Switzerland is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Swiss American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of German descent: Category:American Jews of German descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) Overturn to Category:German-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of German descent" can mean of non-Jewish German descent and Germany is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While German American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Lithuanian descent: Category:American Jews of Lithuanian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Lithuanian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Lithuanian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Lithuanian descent and Lithuania is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Lithuanian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Latvian descent: Category:American Jews of Latvian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Latvian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Latvian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Latvian descent and Latvia is mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Latvian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Canadian descent: Category:American Jews of Canadian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Canadian-American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Canadian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Canadian descent and Canada's citizens are mostly Christian. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Canadian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Iraqi descent: Category:American Jews of Iraqi descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Iraqi American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Iraqi descent" can mean of non-Jewish Iraqi descent and Iraq is mostly Muslim. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Iraqi American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Syrian descent: Category:American Jews of Syrian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Syrian American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Syrian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Syrian descent and Syria is mostly Muslim. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Syrian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Tunisian descent: Category:American Jews of Tunisian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Tunisian American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Tunisian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Tunisian descent and Tunisia is mostly Muslim. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While "Tunisian American" matches Egyptian American+Jews and Moroccan American+Jews (as cited above and below) as used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 04:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Moroccan descent: Category:American Jews of Moroccan descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Moroccan American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Moroccan descent" can mean of non-Jewish Moroccan descent and Morocco is mostly Muslim. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Moroccan American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 05:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Category:American Jews of Egyptian descent: Category:American Jews of Egyptian descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) Overturn to Category:Egyptian American Jews. The change creates confusion because "of Egyptian descent" can mean of non-Jewish Egyptian descent and Egypt is mostly Muslim. Violation of WP:NEO and WP:NOR thru carelessness. While Egyptian American+Jews is clear and WP:NPOV correctly used in Misplaced Pages itself. IZAK (talk) 05:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Overturn All for above reasons, IZAK (talk) 05:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. IZAK (talk) 06:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Can we get a link to all the CFDs in question please? Stifle (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Good idea. They were speedied all over the place mostly by User Mayumashu (talk · contribs) with the help of User Cyde (talk · contribs). They have been notified of the DRV , and Users Good Olfactory (talk · contribs) also knows where some of the skeletons are all hidden and has been notified , and Explicit (talk · contribs) and hopefully they will show what they did. They hold the keys to this realm, and in spite of no consensus for such an important set of changes, they went ahead with this massive overhaul that has created more problems than it purports to "solve". IZAK (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'd like to hear the deleters' reasons for the actions before I jump to any conclusions. Stifle (talk) 09:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Good idea. They were speedied all over the place mostly by User Mayumashu (talk · contribs) with the help of User Cyde (talk · contribs). They have been notified of the DRV , and Users Good Olfactory (talk · contribs) also knows where some of the skeletons are all hidden and has been notified , and Explicit (talk · contribs) and hopefully they will show what they did. They hold the keys to this realm, and in spite of no consensus for such an important set of changes, they went ahead with this massive overhaul that has created more problems than it purports to "solve". IZAK (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Overturn, per IZAK. As IZAK points out, these different category labels convey quite different meanings, and some discussion is required before such a change. Frankly, I'm not sure which is better, because a label like "Mexican American" implies to me a first-generation immigrant, whereas "American of Mexican Descent" seems more inclusive of subsequent generations. In any event, someone needs to make a convincing argument as to which system provides the better taxonomy for member articles. —Dfass (talk) 09:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)