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Unless you request otherwise, if you post here, I'll reply here (I'd suggest you watchlist this page to make sure you see my reply). If I post on your talkpage, I'll watchlist your talkpage to look for replies there. Letting me know won't hurt, either - my watchlist is rapidly becoming too big...

Apparently I'm an administrator:

I'd add that non-admins also have access to several ... methods ... of fixing my mistakes. I'm subject to WP:RECALL, details to follow.

An Award!

User:QwerpQwertus/The Puzzle Piece Award

Request

Could you close this AfD? It was closed by an non-admin as a SNOW close. Obviously that wasn't allowed and it was reopened, but it is a clear SNOW close. Would you mind closing it? Full disclosure: I have voted on this AfD. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 09:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Taking a look now... TFOWR 09:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You're an evil, evil editor, Neutralhomer! ;-) My first AfD admin close and it's likely to be a contentious one. If I'd !voted, I strongly suspect I'd have !voted "delete", and I very nearly closed as "no consensus" (being less impressed with WP:BROADCAST's non-policy status)... However, WP:BROADCAST seems to have a long-established usage in AfDs despite being merely an essay, so I closed as keep. I'd like to see better refs, particularly for the Katrina claim (newspapers being preferable to corporate press releases, at least to my mind). Anyway - job done! TFOWR 10:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not evil :S...I am Neutral...Homer :) If I knew you were a new admin and this was your first close, I would have asked someone else so you didn't get involved in a potential muck. Though I personally don't think one will be made. If one is, I will take the heat for you, but I don't see one. I will see what I can do about some refs. I have messaged WP:WPRS's best editor about this article and he will get it in working order. He rocks with references and the like. Thanks again and my apologizes for putting you in a position as a new admin. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 20:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Protection script

You might find this script useful for RfPP. It gives you the response templates in a sidebar to click and automagically fills out your edit sumamry. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm liking that! Is there a central repository for useful script links, or is it all word-of-mouth? TFOWR 00:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much word of mouth. Try digging around in the .js pages of experienced admins for admin scripts. There are a few good ones at WP:SCRIPT but that's far from all-inclusive. There are a few good ones in mine. Btw, I'd like a second opinion on the recent sexing up of my userpage. I wanted to make it more colourful! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I had a nasty feeling you were going to say that! I'll start nosing around.

Like the revamped userpage - I saw the flag and the "can't be arsed fixing it so I tagged it" tag float by on my watchlist (managed to avoid a coffee/nose incident by sheer fluke of timing...!) I've been working on a revamp, too, but keep getting distracted.

TFOWR 01:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I saw the tag on someone else's page as I was giving them reviewer rights and just thought "I have to have that"! I spent a good few minutes laughing at it, but it's true! You should see my edit summaries when I find a misplaced or vague tag. I stumbled acros Waterloo Road (TV series) earlier, redirecting a PRODded article to it, and removed {{cleanup-rewrite}} with a summary of "this tag may be unhelpful or vague. You can help Misplaced Pages by removing it!" I like the revamp- there's something to be said for a minimal userpage (Courcelles pulls it off) but I like a colourful userpage! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Aye, it's getting the balance right between helpful/clear, and fun. And sometimes the latter is better - I've already had complaints about the all-black, mature, I-am-admin signature...! Anyway, I'm going to check out Courcelles's userpage and call it a day - thanks for the script additions! TFOWR 01:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Not a complaint! Although the bit of red is nice to see again. And, if you're interested, I've found a Cat Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, wondered if you'd noticed ;-) When I find some time I'm going to come up with a cunning way to have my sig link to different things (you know, the way it used to... the way everyone's does...) but for now I'm just happy to see some colour in my life! TFOWR 07:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Um...

Hi there, why are you making assumptions? Obviously I saw that little note, so don't assume that I "failed to notice the comment." Have you not thought that maybe I don't like Bieber and wish to get his name off of Kingston's page? SoCallMeYourSugar (talk) 00:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI: Yeah, I will continue to remove his name. Go ahead, continue giving me warnings and blocking me. Blocking me will not change the fact that Bieber is a snotty, girly, coconut-headed brat who doesn't deserve to make a single with Kingston; nor even be introduced to the music industry.

</endrant>— Preceding unsigned comment added by SoCallMeYourSugar (talk • contribs)

Uh, yeah, to be honest that was pretty much what I thought. And that's why you're being reverted and warned. I'm sorry you don't like "Bieber", but editing an encyclopaedia entry won't change reality. TFOWR 00:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I have thrown this to AIV and reverted a couple changes. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 00:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

User has been blocked indef by User:Fastily per "Vandalism". - NeutralHomer • Talk • 00:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I should really have been checking our friend's contribs, instead of replying - apologies to you and Fastily. TFOWR 00:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Nah, no worries. Redlinks spark my interest and off I go :) They got blocked, that is all that matters. :) I would recommend that the page be placed under temporary semi-protection, but I will leave that up to you if you want to do that....but watchlisting will probably do just as good. :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 01:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Semi prot's not necessary. They can't create account quicker than I can hard block them! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent...now that we have two sets of eyes on the page, I am off to dinner and then Facebook. :) Good work all of ya. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 01:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Can a deleted page's URL be deleted?

{{helpme}}

How can I delete the web address for deleted pages? My pages were deleted, but the deleted page now comes up up as the first search result in google. (And if I type in the address manually, the deleted page comes up.) Is it possible to remove the URL altogether?

you only need to type ~~~~ once, and that produces your signature :). I'll look at those pages, give me a minute. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, the pages have all been deleted from Misplaced Pages- the fact they were showing up after they were deleted is probably just server lag. Parts of them are showing up in Google, but next time Google updates its cache (roughly every half an hour) they should be gone. Is that what you wanted? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

• Blimey, that's the kind of question I like! The ones where they're already answered by friendly talk page stalkers ;-) For my archives, and because my memory is shockingly poor, I'll note that this conversation started earlier. Thanks, HJ Mitchell and Chzz, for your help! And 2010philosopher: good to see you again! Happy editing! TFOWR 08:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for looking into this!!

2010philosopher (talk) 06:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

User in need of a block.

Please see here recent contribs. User:Peoplesman55 Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Bubba hotep (talk · contribs · count) beat me to it. FWIW, I'd have applied a shortish block (I had 24 hours in mind, so absolutely no complaints with Bubba hotep's 24 hour solution). Some edits seem OK, and the others are, I suspect, borne out of frustration (this is a strange and mysterious website for newcomers...) I've left a comment, basically agreeing with Bubba hotep and linking to two diffs of an attack and removing "useful stuff" from an article. I strongly suspect that JohnCD (talk · contribs · count) can roll with the punches: my concern is that other editors may not necessarily be as resilient. A comment like that on a newbie editor's talk page would, I suspect, result in a very different kind of block... Thanks for bring this matter up. TFOWR 08:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not the most civil of editors but I don't recall attacking anyone on a personal level like fatso. It does appear to be dealt with so thanks anyways. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I try to be as civil as possible, but I've got a pretty high personal tolerance (flame retardant clothes...!) When it comes to other editors being the victims, though, my personal tolerance gets replaced with WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, with some variation depending on context (the victim's experience here, whether the victim had provoked it, etc). In this case JohnCD is an old and bold editor, and I suspect will likely ignore the remark as bizarre (I assume we have no idea how much JohnCD weighs?! None of our business, but it's entirely possible that "chubbie" is completely wrong, and JohnCD is a thin as a rake!) TFOWR 08:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, people. Not as thin as a rake, perhaps, but my wife confirms that she has never thought of calling me Fatso. (Interesting question whether it is more offensive to call a fat man "Fatso" or a thin man?) But you're right, I have been called much worse, and I planned on ignoring this guy. It's funny, most hoaxers once confronted with the evidence just fade away, but even after I showed this one that we know where he copied his band article from he still doesn't give up. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

So its okay for you to insult him by calling him a rake but i can't call him 'fatso'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peoplesman55 (talk • contribs) 08:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, you know, I just re-read what I said and I can't see the part where I said JohnCD was "a rake". it's entirely possible that ... JohnCD is a thin as a rake! is as close as it comes, and I acknowledged that I know absolutely nothing about JohnCD. The only definitive thing I said about JohnCD was that they were an "old and bold editor". For that I humbly apologise. TFOWR 09:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

"but it's entirely possible that "chubbie" is completely wrong, and JohnCD is a thin as a rake!" I believe that is calling him a rake —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peoplesman55 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I guess you missed the "it's entirely possible" part. TFOWR 09:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't matter thats still an insultPeoplesman55 (talk) 10:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Well in that case you should bring it to JohnCD's attention or raise it at WP:WQA. TFOWR 10:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a waste of time. I have been called much worse than that, and survived it; in fact I would take "thin as a rake" as a compliment, if anything. Just drop it. JohnCD (talk) 10:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for punting them on to you. Consider it dropped ;-) TFOWR 10:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. JohnCD (talk) 14:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Shamir1

I was surprised to see that, after I'd spent 90 minutes finding and assessing evidence and history in this case, you replaced my judgment with yours six minutes later; I wasn't aware that that was permissible. Ordinarily when I substitute my judgment for that of another user, particularly an experienced administrator, I make some effort to explain that. If you have any comments, I would be interested to hear them. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for that, it wasn't intentional. I'll check and see what idiotic thing I did. (Incidentally, do always feel free to revert me). Checking now... TFOWR 15:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Still unsure what I did there, but it is un-did. Apologies once again. TFOWR 15:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No harm, no foul... I appreciate the explanation (and I've done similar things myself). Pardon me if I seemed upset, but it was a lot of work. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Not at all, entirely understandable. I suspect the problem arose from precisely that - I'd also been looking at it for a while, and I suspect I started editing before you hit save, etc etc. No idea why I didn't pick it up on preview, though. I'll blame it on being my first unblock review (which I'm now considering a "dry run"!) Thanks for being so understanding. TFOWR 15:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

That exact same thing has happened to me, where someone has "beat me to the punch". I've only started considering unblock reviews recently myself; my feeling was that blocked users deserve prompt attention. Welcome aboard! Accounting4Taste:talk 15:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I just realized that I had supported your RfA last week... congratulations on the success of that process. Again, welcome aboard! Accounting4Taste:talk 15:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I hope you aren't regretting it already ;-) TFOWR 15:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit notices

Would it be possible for you to act a couple of edit notices for me please? Firstly to Bloody Sunday (1972);

{{editnotice | header = | headerstyle = | text = Per the ] at ], the city is known as ]. This should not be changed without broad consensus. | textstyle = | image = }}

Then Irish Republican Army;

{{editnotice | header = | headerstyle = | text = This article is written in ''']''', which differs from ] in some ways. See ]. According to the ], this should not be changed without broad consensus. | textstyle = | image = }}

Thank you. O Fenian (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem with either, doing now. Though if it turns out that Bloody Sunday (1972) makes copious references to the county, as well as the city, I may have to whinge about the bag o' nonsense you've drawn me into! TFOWR 15:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Or you could just give him the account creator right and let him do it himself! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

O Fenian, I've done Template:Editnotices/Page/Bloody Sunday (1972)... and assigned you the "account creator" right. Meet me half-way, eh?! TFOWR 15:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It does not mention the county at all. I tend to find that giving Derry/Londonderry editors the full instructions including the county only encourages repeated occurences of "Derry, County Londonderry". Thank you. O Fenian (talk) 15:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, WP:BEANS... anyway, I've done both, and you should be OK in future. If not, shout! TFOWR 15:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, should it be "British English" for the IRA article? Why not Hiberno-English? TFOWR 15:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Being ignorant of the subtleties between them that apply to the article, I went for the safest option. I did lose the Butchers' Apron that is present on the example for that particular edit notice though ;) O Fenian (talk) 15:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough! I sometimes find myself getting annoyed at the use of "Australian English" here ("Misplaced Pages caters for all kinds of English: US, British, Canadian and Australian") because us kiwis speak a different kind of English, eh, bro? and then I remember - it really isn't very important ;-) TFOWR 15:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Australian English? Is that the one where most vowels are left out for the sake of brevity? O Fenian (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

That's the one! "Six pack" becomes "Sx pack" (sounds like "sex pack"). In New Zealand English "six pack" becomes "sux pack", so I don't know if it's necessarily any better - it's just righter. TFOWR 15:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

...and I thought there were templates for those. And protected edit requests? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Templates, don't know. (If there are that would be very handy) Protected edit requests? Fair cop. I thought these would be reasonably uncontentious (naive, possibly, in this area...) If you steer me toward the templates, I can fix...? TFOWR 16:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)No-one reads those templates! ;) And an {{editprotected}} request just makes more work for me, since I seem to be one of only 2 admins who patrol the category! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi TFOWR,

Thanks for your comments ... and also for that seriously badass piece of broccoli on your user page :)

Zuchinni one (talk) 16:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Swiss town

Thanks for the help, but it looks like some extra text got left in when you moved the code. If you look at the diff here, the bottom section

{{{municipality_type}}}|former|{{#ifeq: N/A | {{{population}}} | N/A | {{formatnum:{{#expr:{{{population|0}}}div{{{area|1}}} round 0}}}} /km<sup>2</sup> ({{formatnum:{{#expr:({{{population|0}}}*2.589988110336)div({{{area|1}}}) round 0}}}} /sq mi) }} | {{formatnum:{{#expr:{{Swiss populations NC|{{{iso-code-region}}}|{{{municipality_code}}} }}div{{{area|1}}} round 0}}}} /km<sup>2</sup> ({{formatnum:{{#expr:({{Swiss populations NC|{{{iso-code-region}}}|{{{municipality_code}}} }}*2.589988110336)div({{{area|1}}}) round 0}}}} /sq mi) }} }}

was retained from the earlier template. This is causing an error in the new template. Tobyc75 (talk) 17:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, damn templates. I'm on it... TFOWR 17:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Better to steal one that works. Somebody put in place the one from Wengen for me recently because I was having difficulty with the template. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It did occur to me as I was doing it that a diff would have been really handy ;-) I'll see if Tobyc75 is up for humouring an idiot admin by creating a sandbox version I could grab a diff from... TFOWR 18:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, reapplied here. If that doesn't work, I'll back it out, sulk, and ask for a sandbox-prepared diff ;-) TFOWR 18:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

OK that works now. The template still doesn't like null or none number values, but that's something I'll work on later. Thanks Tobyc75 (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you working on it in the template sandbox? Reason I ask is that that would make applying changes a great deal easier (the admin applying it can simply grab everything in the sandbox and dump it into the template). Makes comparing diffs easier, too, so idiots like me can avoid causing unnecessary problems ;-) TFOWR 18:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding templates, actually I'm pretty much a kludger myself with these more complex templates. I use this Metawiki guide to templates for some of the stuff. I mostly used the Parser functions and Magic Words (links given in the guide) and just try stuff. The 2-3 braces used around every IF statement can really create an unholy mess on the template, so it gets confusing pretty quick. Let me know if that helps you with templates. Tobyc75 (talk) 01:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Mate, you rock! That's excellent! Added to me toolbox already ;-) TFOWR 09:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Alex latham again

Hi. Alex latham (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) has unsurprisingly continued down the same path as before, creating Vincent Weijl and Alex Kacaniklic with false information. Perhaps a few days of non-edit rights may force this user to read-and-heed his talk page (assuming he doesn't revert to his alternate account). While it turns out Weijl passes ATHLETE with his loan move to Helmond, this user was probably unaware of this as the edit history shows he simply copied Ryan Babel and changed some information, including an unverifiable game for AZ Alkmaar.--ClubOranje 08:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I've dropped a level 2 warning ("creating inappropriate pages"). If this continues I'd be tempted to go to final warning next, then short block. I strongly suspect that this is an editor who pays no attention to their talk page, but I'd like to hope that they may get the message before blocks become necessary. I'm also hoping that the Weijl/Babel issue arose because the editor used an existing article and intended to complete it later. I'd be more confident in that analysis if they had, in fact, made any effort to complete it, instead of leaving it to other editors... TFOWR 09:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd have been inclined to have put a WP:SPEEDY tag on Krisztián Adorján, instead of sending it to AfD - it looks like a fairly clear hoax at worst, and at best an enthusiastic fan of U19 football wanting their hero to make it into the first team... I'll see how the AfD plays out, but I'm strongly thinking that this editor does not have the necessary skills to contribute constructively. TFOWR 09:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

As I said an at WP:ANI...user ignores all messages. Since your last note he created Krisztián Adorján and Zsolt Pölöskei, both with exaggerated information, so half a dozen real contributors can spend some more time searching to see whether they should support the delete nomination. Obviously keen, but a block for a few days could at least bring him to the table for talks.--ClubOranje 10:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Gill....if it hasn't been deleted yet.--ClubOranje 08:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

New creation from the last 24 hours or so. It's deleted now (by another admin). I have, however, indef'd Alex latham (talk · contribs · count) for continuing to create articles which at best are non-notable, and at worst are blatant hoaxes ("Oliver Gill" seemed to be a copy-and-paste from Wayne Rooney). TFOWR 12:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

PCP

Re - Unless something has changed, I don't think we're supposed to give PCP to articles unless they appear here. –xeno 14:18, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can see there's no change, you're right: for the first week WP:PCQ is the place to go. Dammit, I was enjoying that. I'll remove PCP from the one's I've done, and - if appropriate - add them at WP:PCQ. Thanks for the info. TFOWR 14:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. –xeno 14:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Black veil brides (band)

The article shouldn't have been speedy deleted because of my keep !vote in the AfD. Joe Chill (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I was about to come here to say the same thing as Joe Chill, however I did notice there was something in the AFD about a possible copy-vio. So while it may not have fallen under A7, if a G12 would have applied then there's no point in undeletion for this article. Umbralcorax (talk) 16:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

The editor said that there was no proof that it was a copyvio. The editor only said that it might be a copyvio of the Facebook page (which is private). Joe Chill (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

True enough. Umbralcorax (talk) 17:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

• Replied at ANI. TFOWR 16:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a moment?

Would you mind keeping an eye and Ernest Hemingway for a little while. It's an FA, and I'm trying to keep out information that I really am not certain about, and have reverted twice, so to revert the most recent edit will put me in violation of 3R. Here's the talk page discussion, such as it is. Will be logged out for a little while. Not a problem, if you're busy elsewhere. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking at it now. I'd tend to agree that most of the ghits are reaching ("careful reading", "speculation"). The first ghit, though, looks like it could be OK. I've not yet looked at the cite used for the latest revert, but I'm concerned about the suggestion that "it is widely believed". Looking into it. TFOWR 18:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

• And commented at the talk page. I'd like to see the discussion progress further, obviously. I have noted I am far from being knowledgeable on Hemingway ;-) TFOWR 18:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I bailed on you there, got caught up offline. It looks like things are in hand, and other editors are weighing in with good comments. TFOWR 22:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, we are allowed some sort of real life occasionally, I suppose. I was reported for edit warring. Nicely, someone declined, and now others are involved. This is a situation of looking at the best sources, and being very careful. I probably shouldn't have reverted, but intended to rewrite with a better source and wasn't given the chance. Sorry to drag you in - but, well, needed a friend to be honest. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries - back in the day I started with WP:3O because these sorts of disputes - two editors - are some of the worst to experience. Even if a third editor is sitting in the middle it's still better than two diametrically opposed editors in isolation.

I got the impression here that the other editor was enthusiastically reading too much into sources: I could see how the Google search appeared to support their thesis, but it didn't really seem to stand up to close scrutiny. It's difficult, though, when Google hides the best bits from us ;-)

Oh, and real life - ain't what it's cracked up to be ;-) Unexpected problems (now sorted) rather than planned social life... :-(

TFOWR 08:26, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Shayetet 13

Hi TFOWR, User:Tyalav is back to his old form on Shayetet 13, making the same exact edit for the umpteenth time. He will be reverted by one of the countless editors who have already noted his disruptive behaviour. Is there some speedy way of handling this? Poliocretes (talk) 06:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed there is. I've warned the editor that their edit appears to me to be two reverts, which to my mind takes them into the sanctionable area. Regardless, if they were to revert anything in the article within 24 hours of their latest edit, they would clearly be in breach of the 1RR restriction on the article. I've assumed that Tyalav was unaware that their latest two edits would count as two reverts (I'm stretching my good faith here...) A further revert would clearly and unambiguously take Tyalav over the 1RR restriction, and I will block them.

You could also consider WP:ANI or WP:AE right now - stricter admins then me would likely see Tyalav's two edits as two reverts, and block now.

TFOWR 08:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

O.k. I accept your point. But that edit still included libel and unsourced information. --Der rikkk (talk) 08:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

For unsourced information, I'd recommend using an edit summary like this: ]. I'd also recommend avoiding terms like "libel": while it may be correct, it's (a) a legal term (and should be avoided), and (b) it's redundant if you describe the edit as "Uncited". Note that I have no problem with you reverting the edit (once! Remember that the article is subject to 1RR restrictions), my only issue is with Tyalav's edits being described as vandalism. TFOWR 09:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Got it. --Der rikkk (talk) 09:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Alex latham

Hi TFOWR. This user has created three further articles, all containing misinformation to the levels that now blatantly break WP:HOAX. I know WP:AGF, but the guy's had numerous warnings and promptings. I've put a report at WP:AVI, but thought you might be able to deal with it if you wanted. --Pretty Green (talk) 09:44, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I missed the comments above at #User:Alex latham again. Given, them, I will withdraw the AVI report. --Pretty Green (talk) 10:44, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh ;-) No worries, I suspect you're quite right and this editor isn't going to last long. I'm hoping for the best, however! TFOWR 10:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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WP:AIV backlog tag

See both sides of  :) Peter 11:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Aha! So that's how it's done! Thanks, I'll remember that next time (damn bot, that tag had been annoying me for ages!) Thanks again, TFOWR 12:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be tricky to set the add and remove limits correctly. The main problem is when a lot of reports are sitting there with notes under them, so it's not really a backlog, but the bot still thinks it is. To get around that I normally just remove reports with a descriptive edit summary (and a note to re-report if continues if applicable and/or a personal note on reporters talk page if follow up is needed). Peter 12:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Could you have a word

Tyalav adding back the same content again and again resulting in edit war. Mo ainm~Talk 14:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

No! (a) they don't listen to me either, and (b) I've already blocked them ;-) TFOWR 14:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Mayawati

Hi TFOWR. Edit war has started afresh by a single editor against consensus to add the "Kudos" section. Whenever you find the time please add full protection to the article. Thank you. Dr.K.  16:04, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I was too late - beaten to the punch by SlimVirgin. I've watchlisted the article; if problems recur when protection ends I'd be inclined to block the editor responsible (it appears to be just one editor, without consensus). I would encourage you to take this opportunity to try and engage with the editor concerned, however. TFOWR 10:58, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Wubalien

Just an FYI... I deleted the article you changed into a redirect. The name is somebody's personal character within the game, not a non-player character created by the game publisher. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, well caught! Thanks for that. TFOWR 10:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

68.170.68.30

A few days ago, you left a block template for that IP's talk page, but I can find no trace of it in the block log. Did you miss? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It was there when I looked:

• (del/undel) 19:26, 15 June 2010 TFOWR (talk | contribs | block) blocked 68.170.68.30 (talk) (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 24 hours ‎ (Vandalism) (unblock | change block)

. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Great. It's there now. It wasn't there when I checked the block log immediately before and immediately after my block. Thank you for your consideration. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So I'm a sock-puppet?

Is this why my opinions are being dismissed in Talk:Amy_Pond? I'm not being confrontational or anything, I'm just curious to know what is meant by the legitimate use of that {{spa}} tag. Is it assumed I'm sock-puppeting because I followed the link and read about WP:BITE, or was something else intended? I assure you I'm not an experienced wiki-an, just a rare person who actually reads the links posted by others before I respond. That's why I was off-put by the signature tag; the policy articles led me to believe that was discouraged. Again, not being disingenuous at all, I'd simply like to know about the community norms here. Any comments you have for me are very welcome, be it here or at my (empty) talk page. Daburow (talk) 20:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppetry has nothing to do with this - the {{spa}} tag simply means that you've edited very few articles:

The SPA tag may be used to visually highlight that a participant in a multi-user discussion has made few or no other types of contribution. However a user who edits appropriately and makes good points that clearly align with Misplaced Pages's communal norms, policies and guidelines will usually find their comment given full weight regardless of any tag.

TFOWR 10:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion nomination of Misplaced Pages:The Great Misplaced Pages Dramaout/3rd/Log

Hi TFOWR, this is a message from an automated bot, regarding Misplaced Pages:The Great Misplaced Pages Dramaout/3rd/Log. You blanked the page and, since you are its sole author, FrescoBot has interpreted it as a request for deletion of the page and asked administrators to satisfy the requests per speedy deletion criterion G7. Next time you want a page that you've created deleted, you can explicitly request the deletion by inserting the text {{db-author}}. If you didn't want the page deleted, please remove the {{db-author}} tag from the page and undo your blanking or put some content in the page. Admins are able to recover deleted pages. Please do not contact the bot operator for issues not related with bot's behaviour. To opt out of these bot messages, add {{bots|deny=FrescoBot}} somewhere on your talk page. -- FrescoBot (msg) 23:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, FrescoBot! If I'd been more diligent, I would have deleted it myself instead of creating work for other editors (or bots). Apologies for that. TFOWR 10:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi TFOWR

Thank you for monitoring the Guy Sebastian article. There would not be any friction between editors on the article if things were done properly on the part of Ozurbanmusic ] such as:

Filling in the edit summary field - this is regularly not done so that when this editor makes numerous changes one after the other to existing content for no good reason or deletes content with citations/references also getting messed up, it is hard for other editors like me to track what changes have been made and why and whether the deleted or altered content is a correct thing to happen for the greater good of the article.

Whilst Ozurbanmusic has made a few good contributions to the page they have also made counter-productive and disruptive edits to the article that have been reverted back. I have noted that Ozurbandmusic deletes all messages left on his/her talk page to discuss ways of doing things the correct way - but viewing the history of the talk page you can see there have been numerous editors who have tried to help in different issues but the comments are just deleted by him without a response.

Anyways, the article has a number of editors that regularly update or watch out for vandalism so that damage is not done - It is good that editors that are not involved in editing on this article such as yourself are keeping an eye out as well.

Thanks for your reply to me TFOWR - hopefully things will settle down.

Best wishes - Diane (talk) 02:52, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I'll continue to keep an eye on things, but if you could let me know if there are any issues I miss, I'd appreciate that. In general, I get concerned when editors don't engage with other editors, and I'd hope that Ozurbanmusic does start to engage soon. TFOWR 10:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

CSD example

Hi there, please can I have my CSD example back? The speedy tag was only there as part of a question at a current RFA. I would have thought the title made it obvious that it wasn't really supposed to be deleted. Cheers, BigDom 11:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

My apologies, I paid no attention to the title, just to the history. I'll undelete now. TFOWR 11:58, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Once again, apologies for this. TFOWR 12:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

redlink archive

Hi TFOWR, what have I done wrong to create a second archive and add the template for archive navigation and it is showing redlinks, I got a space in the wrong place and created a redirect, that may need deletion and I have no super powers, would you have a look for me, please. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:The_Gore_Effect/_Archive_2 Off2riorob (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

It looks like a talkpage stalker beat me to it ;-) TFOWR 13:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorted! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:20, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks. Yes, you need to be fast round here. Off2riorob (talk) 13:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Israel vandalism

Thanks for your assistance on the Israel talk page. That was my first request for any kind of protection on a talk page, so I wasn't even sure if my RfP was appropriate. That's one of the nice things about Misplaced Pages -- I learn something new, even if I don't read an article! ;) Cheers! -- Bgpaulus (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries - and don't hesitate to return to WP:RFPP if that kind of nonsense starts up again. I've never protected a talk page, and I would be very reluctant to, but as far as I can see it is possible, and - sadly - it might be necessary too. TFOWR 12:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Dramaout

I see you have signed up! Consider notifying 3 good editors of this to encourage more participation. Perhaps saying

I am participating in this. Please consider doing the same! http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:The_Great_Wikipedia_Dramaout/3rd#Participating_Wikipedians Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

When you are doing notifications, make sure to add a timestamp, or the section will never be archived by a bot! T. Canens (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Bwhahahahaha! It was all part of my evil plan to ensure that the Great Misplaced Pages Dramaout never leaves our talk pages!!!! Oops, sorry about that. Though I will take this opportunity to mention that this is just another reason why bots are evil ;-) TFOWR 12:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice work

Just wanted to say good work the other day with the Mau Mau Massacre pages - you show far more patience with recalcitrant editors than I have.. & I just noticed you new admin status - congrats for that too. Cheers Clovis Sangrail (talk) 12:59, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks. It's actually been a while since I took a look - the problems seem to have died down. And other editors did far more useful work than me, I suspect...! TFOWR 12:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Physchim62 No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 14:05, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Shame it came to that - I still feel everyone at Gaza flotilla raid is more than capable of collaborating together without the WP:BATTLE approach that everyone seems to love. I doubt AE will solve it - this one in particular, or AE in general. I'll remain hopeful, though. TFOWR 12:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

It is indeed a shame it came to that. Please note that what he said is not "close to the line" but quite a ways beyond it, at least according to several people at AE. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

About Cog

Hello! I'm responding to you about the copyright concerns about the C.O.G. article. Yes, I am one of the band members. What would you like to ask? it may be a moot point though given what has already happened. I'm still open to a conversation at richard.leo.ramos@gmail.com. Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Doomwriter (talk • contribs)

• Replied on your talkpage. TFOWR 12:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Omega Point (Tipler)

Hello, Flag, I was wondering, since the article had been the subject of dispute numerous times between IPs and regular users (in other words, see the file I've reported here), that the article would be subject to more general disruption. Do you think that you could semi-protect the page for a some amount of time, preferably a 24-hour day to when my case closes? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 03:43, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

From their comment at SPI, Jamiemichelle seems willing to use just one username (i.e. "Jamiemichelle", and not IPs), so I'm reluctant to protect at this stage. I'm continuing to keep an eye on this, and I will admit that I suspect this will end up at WP:DR sooner or later. TFOWR 11:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Alright, then, I'll let the page go. The SPI, though, I haven't had time to look over. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 18:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

URL still shows up in Google, can it be deleted?

{{adminhelp}}

Hello,

I wrote earlier about removing the URL of deleted pages so that they don't show up in google search. But one of my pages is still showing up in google search 10 days later. And the strange thing is that pages that I created and were deleted after this one have stopped coming up in google search.

The real problem is that I created pages for several people in an honest attempt to write about their research, now I see that they do not meet the notability guidelines and they have been userfied instead. But the one page still coming up in google search has a deletion message that is not good for the page's subject, see here:

"03:01, 11 June 2010 Ckatz (talk | contribs) deleted "Francois de Soete" ‎ (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content): non-notable grad student, adding own page)"

The problem is that this person did not add his own page, and he is not a grad student!! If the deleted page will keep coming up in google search, can this false information in the deletion log be removed at least? (The comment about adding his own page and being a grad student.)

Thank you for your time! 2010philosopher (talk) 09:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

This is beyond the control of anyone on Misplaced Pages. Please see WP:UNGOOGLE for the suggested method to remove anything inappropriate from google searches.  7  09:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Thank you very much for your contribution to my Rfa. I have made a comment about it at User talk:JamesBWatson#Your Request for Adminship which you are, of course, very welcome to read if you wish to. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Already read! And congratulations again. TFOWR 14:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

2008 Mumbai attacks

Regarding your page protection of tha article, TwoHorned has expressed the intent to continue edit-warring once the article is unprotected, this even after the antisemitic Conspiracy Theory he is espousing has been debunked by the Anti-Defamation League, a highly respected source].59.160.210.68 (talk) 09:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, they have another two days to change their minds... I won't block them pre-emptively, but I will take action once protection ends to prevent further disruption. TFOWR 09:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I ran across the page using Huggle. I gave 'em my strongest possible (non-admin) warning to cool it down, citing WP:CIVIL, but you may wish to watch this mess closely. Thanks, Jusdafax 10:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw that, and it was a well-overdue warning, too, so thanks! The editors at 2008 Mumbai attacks should realise that warnings about WP:CIVIL are relevant no matter who they come from: using phrases like "hateful prose" and "terrorist toilet" when talking about other editors is not cool. (They should also note that Jusdafax is a respected editor, who I consider to be well aware of policy and when it applies).

I prefer not to protect articles or block editors. When I have to do so, I take the least restrictive option. Normally I would regard protection as preferable to two blocks. When two editors are engaging in non-WP:CIVIL discourse, two or more blocks easily becomes preferable to extending protection indefinitely.

TFOWR 10:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Basically, I agree. The IP is uncivil, not me. - TwoHorned _{User_talk:TwoHorned} 10:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Referring to wikipedia as Mossadpedia is not civil.59.160.210.68 (talk) 11:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Both of you: continue your discussion on the talk page, at WP:WQA or on your own talk pages. TFOWR 11:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

button

Hello, after a comment from Mr Mitchel on my talkpage regarding the benefits of rollback as regards pending changes automatic acceptance would you please switch rollback on for me. I have just had a re-read of the Misplaced Pages:Vandalism article and understand that the tool is to be used only for such edit reverts. Off2riorob (talk) 12:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Your wish is my command! I'm kind of surprised that you didn't have it already? Anyway, you are now a rollbacker. Enjoy! TFOWR 12:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, you'd declined it in the past. No worries. TFOWR 12:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have also added that script you recommended to reveal blocked editors and that is quite useful also, thanks TFOWR. Off2riorob (talk) 12:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Rob's moving on up to the eastside I see ]. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

AIV

Thanx for blocking the vandal. :-) --82.55.244.228 (talk) 14:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

IP warning

Sorry for the warning on the IP editor - he did the correct thing by reporting the vandal to WP:AIV. I just mistook what he did, and you were correct in indeffing him. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries - and thanks for apologising to the IP! TFOWR 15:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You're quite welcome, I am also trying my best to fight vandalism (thus keeping a watch on World Cup articles), but I didn't know it is this hard! M-R-Schumacher (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Ain't that the truth! ;-) TFOWR 15:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Disney Channel Games 2010

I am considering redirecting Disney Channel Games 2010 to Disney Channel Games. Please give me advice on this, as I am, what many users would consider me, an amateur. Hidividedby5 (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea! To be honest, if I'd been more on the ball that's exactly what I would have done, instead of deleting it. Oops! But I'm also an amateur...! TFOWR 15:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

In fact, I've done just that. Thanks for the nudge! TFOWR 15:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sigs

Your sig is cool too :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

It's nice, but it needs more cowbell. Or perhaps some annoying shadow and background coloring. As with Homer, I didn't want you to think yours went unnoticed.  7  01:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Omega Point

I'll comment here, as I think it would be counterproductive to reply to the article talk page at this time. First, the tags. I generally don't bother much with placing, removing, or arguing about them. I would prefer to have 95% of cleanup and improvement tags excised from all articles, at least in their current form. So that's a non-issue for me. All I'm saying is that the article is highly non-neutral and has always been the product of one biased, single-purpose user. Again, what is needed is to get other knowledgeable people interested. I'm confident that such people will easily spot the major neutrality issues in the article. Until others get involved, posting specifics of the article problems will just enable the article owner to continue using the subject as an extension of the battleground mentality that he has spread across a wide swath of the internet for years already. Tim Shuba (talk) 20:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, you may be interested in discovering for yourself that all these are almost certainly links to User:Jamiemichelle's personal website. There are other mirror domains as well. Enjoy! Tim Shuba (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)